Who in their right mind would ever consider running a Linux 'client' server on a Windows 'host' server?
Anyone that wants to run Linux and isn't an utter moron, isnt going to want to run it inside Windows, except in the few cases of the Windows weenies that want to run eggdrop bots in one becuase they are too afraid to just use Linux as their primary OS, and are too cheap or too stupid to get a second low-end box to run Linux directly on the hardware with.
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"Word Processors" supporting (or not) different fonts doesnt even begin to compare.
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Or that you can't read the US Declaration of Independence, becuase it was written using quill and ink technology that no one uses anymore. Oh wait, you *CAN* read it.
And THIS, folks, is exactly why no information or documents that are remotely important (and this includes ANYthing related to the government) should be saved in proprietary formats controlled by one vendor, and that applies to Adboe as equally as to Microsoft.
You design the routing hardware that can keep up with that, eh? All the while passing millions of packets per second in and out a few dozen interfaces.
Actually, I was escaping the analogy, and was referring directly and only to the problem of slightly different shaped turn signal levers on a car. Are some people really unable to cope with such a simple difference? I mean, I understand that if you sit an average person of average intelligence in front of a computer, their IQ suddenly drops in half, regardless of the issue. But I wasnt aware the ordinary cars (Regular models available from your average dealer, not custom race cars or anything else unusual) were likely to have that effect.
It might (have better video, or something). But I think one of the other things to note is that the license agreement for getting 'server' is for 'noncommercial use' only.
Out of curiosity, how do they deal with that problem? And if we eliminated all of the automotive makes except one, do you think that would be a better situation?
Also note that while I did quote the reference, I didn't deny its truth. And I am 100% in support of anything that might change release MS strangehold on that truth.
Another big differnce between Server and Workstation, is that with Workstation, the VM is the GUI component. You cannot close the UI without shutting down the VM. With server, the VM and the GUI interface to it are seperate - you can leave the VM running, yet close the GUI.
It sounds like the OP *wants* to run linux on his desktop, and perhaps is held back by feeling he would still need access to some windows-only applications, and is suggesting that if he can do that with VMWare, then he *would* run linux on his desktop. Cue the CP/M emulators for DOS story.
Speaking as on of the 'few people' who run linux on my desktop. The last time I ran Windows on any hardware that I considered 'mine' was around 1994 or so, and I installed it for one day so I could use Winsock to dialup to a (new concept at the time) PPP connection so I could ftp Slackware install disks, becuase DOS IP and IP application support sucked.
And my only point is that the purpose of MSIE is and was for MS to attempt to obtain as much lock in by encouraging sites to use IE-only features, and for everyone to have and use IE until it got to the pint where everything else was excluded, and that goal didn't include worrying about making it secure (at least not until very recently, although I guarantee they are more worried about *appearing* secure than actually being so, since they are much better at marketing than actually securing software). So while I certainly don't stand in anyone's way if thats what they really want on their machine, at no point do I ever encourage or support use of it, and in fact make sure that everyone understands exactly how bad a dog it is.
And anyone that actively chooses to use IE is either ignorant, brainwashed, simply doesnt care, or has been given no choice by someone in authority (eg 'corporate IT') that is ignorant and/or brainwashed, or is themselves given no choice by some non-technical executive who has been bamboozled by MS sales and marketing thugs.
You dont need to run your VM's in 'player' - there is no reason you can't run VMWare server on your workstation, use the client to connect and install on OS, and then you have the option of leaving it headless (you can still ssh in, and do remote X stuff), or of firing the client up and getting console.
Also, everyone seems to think the only reason to run it might be to run Windows as a client on a linux host or (blech) Linux as a client on a Windows host, but theres nothing requiring that. - say you were running RedHat, and wanted to test something you were developing in many different distributions of Linux, say Ubuntu, Debian, Slack, etc. Instead of partitioning and/or booting back and forth, you could have them all up at once.
Also (although you'd probably have to go for the pay-for-version) if you were an ISP/hosting company, and wanted to offer 'dedicated server', you could offer 'Virtual server' where each client has a full 'server' of their own, root access and all, but each client is fully isolated from the others, if each ones needs are light on CPU/ram, instead of having to buy and build a big pile of cheap servers, you'd just need a couple machines, with more ram and diskspace.
I guess I was unclear. I wasnt making specific recommendations for *you*, I was speaking generally.
Does your familar also get confused if they get a new car, and the turn signal lever is a slightly different shape, or the ignitition switch in a slightly different place?
And its only tangentially about 'freedom'. Its about not encouraging or supporting someone you supposedly care about using a peice of software that no matter what, *WILL* end up getting their machine filled with every piece of shit virus, trojan, and spyware out there. Its about caring enough to explain to them WHY MSIE is such a horrific piece of software, and that if they can just accept that the turn signal lever is slightly different, there *ARE* alternatives that are orders of magnitude less shitty. Heck, even the US DHS recommended that users aboid it - if you tell them that, they may worry about 'terrorists' absuign their PC and you wont be able to get MSIE off fast enough.
And I never suggested NOT telling them that you upgraded their system by replacing the horrific peice of shit with something that isnt - do tell them, but if you think they blindly want MSIE becuase its what they are used to, or don't relly understand what exactly MSIE, don't emphasize them that its a different BRAND of browser, just that its a browser UPGRADE. If they truly can't comprehend why they should want to avoid MSIE, theres no reason to call extra attention to the fact that they dont still have what they had before - they still have 'The Internet', its just a 'new and improved "The Internet". Heck rename the damn FireFox icon to say "The Internet" just like MS has historically done with MSIE.
However, it is your family, and you do what you want. For the record, I have a family member that is pretty obtuse about the matter, and laughs at my suggestions to not use MSIE. I also don't provide any support for their use of it.
Anyone that 'knows how' to use IE but can't use FireFox *IS* an idiot. They arent *that* different from the UI perspective. In fact they are damn similar. Change the default browser to FireFox, remove all the IE icons, and then they'll use it, becuase they wont know the difference, just like they were never really aware that they were specifically using IE in th3 first place.
Of course the fact that they still use Windows at all with is a testament to the degree of MS brainwash and monopolization of the end user market.
Fine. Call it an 'upgrade' Which IMNSHO, it would be. The object is not to 'get penetration', but to rid the user of a buggy piece of promiscuous shit.
MSIE is malware, and should be removed or disabled wherever possible, even if that requires misdirection to clueless end users who dont even begin to understand the differences between a browser, an OS, and a website.
You dont need to stop fixing them - you just need to start changing the *way* you fix them - eg, you fix them by removing (or at least hiding and removing from the default) IE, and installing FireFox. When they see its 'different', just tell them its a new version. Most people don't even understand the difference between software, the OS, and the Internet anyway.
As regards uploading multiple files, thats something that would need to be added to the 'cool photo site', no special browser support would really be needed. It would be trivial for a 'cool photo site' to accept uploads as tarballs or zip files.
I'm not saying this is terribly useful, but one difference between this and what Verisign/NSI did is that you dont HAVE to use this, you can continue using your ISP's, or your own, etc. Verisign made the changes directly in the authoritative.COM and.NET, giving you no choice (well, unless you or your ISP updated to the newest BIND which allowed you to enforce 'delegation-only' for.com and.net)
*All* recursive DNS servers/resolvers do caching. They also obey something called 'TTL' for records when doing so, and dynamic-IP services such as those you refer to set a suitably short TTL so as to cause caching to expire appropriately.
That they cache data isn't really that noteworthy, its more them calling attention to it in their marketing more than anything else. Perhaps they have configured their servers to support a very large cache, so that it doesnt have to delete anything until the TTL does call for it to expire.
Really the more useful part of this (for the average used) would be the blocking of known phish sites and/or typo correction, than the caching. And to be honest, I don't see that greate a value in it. For myself, I run my own DNS servers (both authoritative for my personal domains, and recursive for my workstation[s])
A. the source of an 'open source' app that can convert between MS format and ODF should be study-able to produce what you just asked for.
B. No, it wouldnt, Far better for MS users to have to use an awkward plugin to read and write the standard/open format, than for *everyone else* to have to use plugins to read/write MS proprietary format.
Of course, if a tool that (maybe?) is able to completely read/write/interpret MS document format may be the more valuable bit here, assuming it continues to be updated as MS updates the formats. If lots of installed base of non-MS applications get installed becuase now they can properly read MS formats, MS will have a lot larger backlash if they change them in an incompatible fashion. This will also allow people who are unwilling or unable to release from MS teat to be able to store/create/submit/read documents to/for/from governments in ODF format, so that they will always be readable, thus removing another (wrong to begin with) objection to governments standardizing on that format.
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Who in their right mind would ever consider running a Linux 'client' server on a Windows 'host' server?
Anyone that wants to run Linux and isn't an utter moron, isnt going to want to run it inside Windows, except in the few cases of the Windows weenies that want to run eggdrop bots in one becuase they are too afraid to just use Linux as their primary OS, and are too cheap or too stupid to get a second low-end box to run Linux directly on the hardware with.
"Word Processors" supporting (or not) different fonts doesnt even begin to compare.
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Or that you can't read the US Declaration of Independence, becuase it was written using quill and ink technology that no one uses anymore. Oh wait, you *CAN* read it.
And THIS, folks, is exactly why no information or documents that are remotely important (and this includes ANYthing related to the government) should be saved in proprietary formats controlled by one vendor, and that applies to Adboe as equally as to Microsoft.
You design the routing hardware that can keep up with that, eh? All the while passing millions of packets per second in and out a few dozen interfaces.
I would file this under complete and utter stupidity, with outright incorrect information thrown in to boot.
IPv4 uses 32-bit addresses
IPv6 uses 128-bit addresses
Theres the incorrect information part. I'll leave it up to the reader to recognize the utter stupidity part.
Actually, I was escaping the analogy, and was referring directly and only to the problem of slightly different shaped turn signal levers on a car. Are some people really unable to cope with such a simple difference? I mean, I understand that if you sit an average person of average intelligence in front of a computer, their IQ suddenly drops in half, regardless of the issue. But I wasnt aware the ordinary cars (Regular models available from your average dealer, not custom race cars or anything else unusual) were likely to have that effect.
It might (have better video, or something). But I think one of the other things to note is that the license agreement for getting 'server' is for 'noncommercial use' only.
Out of curiosity, how do they deal with that problem? And if we eliminated all of the automotive makes except one, do you think that would be a better situation?
Also note that while I did quote the reference, I didn't deny its truth. And I am 100% in support of anything that might change release MS strangehold on that truth.
Another big differnce between Server and Workstation, is that with Workstation, the VM is the GUI component. You cannot close the UI without shutting down the VM. With server, the VM and the GUI interface to it are seperate - you can leave the VM running, yet close the GUI.
It sounds like the OP *wants* to run linux on his desktop, and perhaps is held back by feeling he would still need access to some windows-only applications, and is suggesting that if he can do that with VMWare, then he *would* run linux on his desktop. Cue the CP/M emulators for DOS story.
Speaking as on of the 'few people' who run linux on my desktop. The last time I ran Windows on any hardware that I considered 'mine' was around 1994 or so, and I installed it for one day so I could use Winsock to dialup to a (new concept at the time) PPP connection so I could ftp Slackware install disks, becuase DOS IP and IP application support sucked.
And my only point is that the purpose of MSIE is and was for MS to attempt to obtain as much lock in by encouraging sites to use IE-only features, and for everyone to have and use IE until it got to the pint where everything else was excluded, and that goal didn't include worrying about making it secure (at least not until very recently, although I guarantee they are more worried about *appearing* secure than actually being so, since they are much better at marketing than actually securing software). So while I certainly don't stand in anyone's way if thats what they really want on their machine, at no point do I ever encourage or support use of it, and in fact make sure that everyone understands exactly how bad a dog it is.
And anyone that actively chooses to use IE is either ignorant, brainwashed, simply doesnt care, or has been given no choice by someone in authority (eg 'corporate IT') that is ignorant and/or brainwashed, or is themselves given no choice by some non-technical executive who has been bamboozled by MS sales and marketing thugs.
You dont need to run your VM's in 'player' - there is no reason you can't run VMWare server on your workstation, use the client to connect and install on OS, and then you have the option of leaving it headless (you can still ssh in, and do remote X stuff), or of firing the client up and getting console.
Also, everyone seems to think the only reason to run it might be to run Windows as a client on a linux host or (blech) Linux as a client on a Windows host, but theres nothing requiring that. - say you were running RedHat, and wanted to test something you were developing in many different distributions of Linux, say Ubuntu, Debian, Slack, etc. Instead of partitioning and/or booting back and forth, you could have them all up at once.
Also (although you'd probably have to go for the pay-for-version) if you were an ISP/hosting company, and wanted to offer 'dedicated server', you could offer 'Virtual server' where each client has a full 'server' of their own, root access and all, but each client is fully isolated from the others, if each ones needs are light on CPU/ram, instead of having to buy and build a big pile of cheap servers, you'd just need a couple machines, with more ram and diskspace.
I guess I was unclear. I wasnt making specific recommendations for *you*, I was speaking generally.
Does your familar also get confused if they get a new car, and the turn signal lever is a slightly different shape, or the ignitition switch in a slightly different place?
And its only tangentially about 'freedom'. Its about not encouraging or supporting someone you supposedly care about using a peice of software that no matter what, *WILL* end up getting their machine filled with every piece of shit virus, trojan, and spyware out there. Its about caring enough to explain to them WHY MSIE is such a horrific piece of software, and that if they can just accept that the turn signal lever is slightly different, there *ARE* alternatives that are orders of magnitude less shitty. Heck, even the US DHS recommended that users aboid it - if you tell them that, they may worry about 'terrorists' absuign their PC and you wont be able to get MSIE off fast enough.
And I never suggested NOT telling them that you upgraded their system by replacing the horrific peice of shit with something that isnt - do tell them, but if you think they blindly want MSIE becuase its what they are used to, or don't relly understand what exactly MSIE, don't emphasize them that its a different BRAND of browser, just that its a browser UPGRADE. If they truly can't comprehend why they should want to avoid MSIE, theres no reason to call extra attention to the fact that they dont still have what they had before - they still have 'The Internet', its just a 'new and improved "The Internet". Heck rename the damn FireFox icon to say "The Internet" just like MS has historically done with MSIE.
However, it is your family, and you do what you want. For the record, I have a family member that is pretty obtuse about the matter, and laughs at my suggestions to not use MSIE. I also don't provide any support for their use of it.
For 'short' documents, why bother with some huge bloated thing anyway, plain text works just fine.
If the shoe fits...
Anyone that 'knows how' to use IE but can't use FireFox *IS* an idiot. They arent *that* different from the UI perspective. In fact they are damn similar. Change the default browser to FireFox, remove all the IE icons, and then they'll use it, becuase they wont know the difference, just like they were never really aware that they were specifically using IE in th3 first place.
Of course the fact that they still use Windows at all with is a testament to the degree of MS brainwash and monopolization of the end user market.
Fine. Call it an 'upgrade' Which IMNSHO, it would be. The object is not to 'get penetration', but to rid the user of a buggy piece of promiscuous shit.
MSIE is malware, and should be removed or disabled wherever possible, even if that requires misdirection to clueless end users who dont even begin to understand the differences between a browser, an OS, and a website.
You dont need to stop fixing them - you just need to start changing the *way* you fix them - eg, you fix them by removing (or at least hiding and removing from the default) IE, and installing FireFox. When they see its 'different', just tell them its a new version. Most people don't even understand the difference between software, the OS, and the Internet anyway.
As regards uploading multiple files, thats something that would need to be added to the 'cool photo site', no special browser support would really be needed. It would be trivial for a 'cool photo site' to accept uploads as tarballs or zip files.
Right-click over a blank area of the menu or toolbar, then select 'customize'.
I'm not saying this is terribly useful, but one difference between this and what Verisign/NSI did is that you dont HAVE to use this, you can continue using your ISP's, or your own, etc. Verisign made the changes directly in the authoritative .COM and .NET, giving you no choice (well, unless you or your ISP updated to the newest BIND which allowed you to enforce 'delegation-only' for .com and .net)
*All* recursive DNS servers/resolvers do caching. They also obey something called 'TTL' for records when doing so, and dynamic-IP services such as those you refer to set a suitably short TTL so as to cause caching to expire appropriately.
That they cache data isn't really that noteworthy, its more them calling attention to it in their marketing more than anything else. Perhaps they have configured their servers to support a very large cache, so that it doesnt have to delete anything until the TTL does call for it to expire.
Really the more useful part of this (for the average used) would be the blocking of known phish sites and/or typo correction, than the caching. And to be honest, I don't see that greate a value in it. For myself, I run my own DNS servers (both authoritative for my personal domains, and recursive for my workstation[s])
A. the source of an 'open source' app that can convert between MS format and ODF should be study-able to produce what you just asked for.
B. No, it wouldnt, Far better for MS users to have to use an awkward plugin to read and write the standard/open format, than for *everyone else* to have to use plugins to read/write MS proprietary format.
Of course, if a tool that (maybe?) is able to completely read/write/interpret MS document format may be the more valuable bit here, assuming it continues to be updated as MS updates the formats. If lots of installed base of non-MS applications get installed becuase now they can properly read MS formats, MS will have a lot larger backlash if they change them in an incompatible fashion. This will also allow people who are unwilling or unable to release from MS teat to be able to store/create/submit/read documents to/for/from governments in ODF format, so that they will always be readable, thus removing another (wrong to begin with) objection to governments standardizing on that format.
Personally I dont give a flying fig what gets added (or not) to any version of Microsoft anything.
Network Magic is specifically *FOR* Windows uses, in as much as it is *FOR* morons. I generally consider that to be the same thing.