1. That they may or may not have been spamming has nothing to do with this story - they are being sued for *FRAUD* (possibly for issuing degrees to cats, and/or for using deceptive subjects in their emails) If they had used accurate email subjects, and had been careful to verify the information on who they were granting degrees to, the PA DA wouldnt have so much as blinked. Not that it isnt a good thing that frauds are taken to point, but it would be nice to see some DA's actually do it over just the spamming part - that they are sending emails (regardless of their content, or wether it was fraudulent) to people that DID NOT ask for them, and DID NOT want them.
2. As much as I despise the entire concept of degrees (legitimate or otherwise), if they are guilt of fraud, then the person that sent them a resume listing false information about their cat is guilty as well. I would assume (and hope) that somewhere in the process of submitting a resume they included something about "you affirm that the information you submit in your resume is truthful"
Upper right, you can click either 'View titles only' or View with message text'
'View with message text' is the default, and 'view titles only' is fairly close to the old display of the index.
Click on either 'read more' (if viewing with text), or the thread subject (title) (if viewing titles only), and this will display that thread.
The default thread display, shows everything flat. Right below the thread title, there should be something like 'All xx messages in topic', and then right next to it, to the right 'View as tree', which will display similar to the way the old interface did. (If you want to switch back to flat, click 'No frame' in the left-hand frame)
For me at least, trying to use that gets us redirected to the new interface - if you are still getting the old one its possible google changed the IP, and your ISP has cached the old one. If you are still able to access the old google groups, please tell us what IP you are getting for it, so those of us whos ISP dns caches have already expired can hardcode it in out/etc/hosts
Unfortunately, their probably solution will be to mandate hardware changes that prevent 'unauthorized' software from running. (And some large IT company such as MS will be in charge of deciding whats authorized, of course). So MS will lock out its competition, and lock everyone in to running vulnerable crap that is in itself the source of most of the zombie armies.
Many lights switch to a flashing red/yellow combination (red for one road, yellow for the other) after a certain time in the evening - it baffles me why more dont. There is one light in particular in my area (which was a stupid place to begin with) that does this, and its in an area thats absolutely *dead* at night, and Ive been annoyed to no end having to wait for it (I suppose I should be happy that it does at least cycle - its not stuck waiting for a sensor)
Personally, I think traffic could be much smoother if instead of the traditional green-yellow-red alternatiting cycle lights currently use, is if instead during light or normal traffic conditions, they instead were red/yellow flashing, alternating between which road had which color (possibly with a sensor to prompt the cycle), and then if there was heavy continuous traffic from both directions, then they could revert to the familiar red/yellow/green cycle.
I'd hardly call bolting a motherboard and cpu into a case 'manufacturing'. And if you are doing a few thousand of an identical configuration, you only have to 'design' it once, then buy in quantity (at considerable savings), and bolt them together.
Personally, since the brand of hardware is basically irrelevant, it would make much more sense to say 'xxx MacOS machines, and xxx *WINDOWS* machines (assuming they are running Windows)'
You do realize that you can buy the parts for these things yourself, dont you? Case/PS, motherboard/CPU, ram, HD, (NIC and/or video if not onboard), floppy (if needed), CDROM (if needed), and if you are upgrading reuse the same KB/mouse thats already there.
Among the benefits are:
1. You get *exactly* the components you want - no being forced to pick from their premade models, with just a few options.
2. Everything is 'industry standard' no proprietary slots, no strange mounting brackets or weird shaped faceplates.
3. A much better price, even at low quantities. And if you are buying a lot of them, you can do even better if you shop around.
There was recently an investigation about this on PBS - there *WERE* safety systems - but they werent turned on. (Not due to anything UC did, but due to the fact that the local people that worked there either didnt bother or forgot)
Someone else has suggested that there had been evidence of intentional sabotage.
Perhaps you should find out a bit more before you go placing all the blame at Dow's feet.
Replying to a thread isnt a new feature - Ive been using GG for about two years now and I've been doing that the entire time. Now sure where you've been.
Yeah, its called UseNet. Individual usenet accounts are available from companies such as SuperNews. You sue a Newsreader of your choice (Mozilla has one built in), and it downloads the headers and the articles.
Alternately, if you want it to be automated, you install newsserver software (such as INN, or one of the more modern ones), and then arrange for a newsfeed from your choice of providers. You can usually choose specific groups that you want to carry.
I propose civil damages and/or fines - eg where recipients of spam (individually, or as a class) can *SUE* the spammer, and attach their assets if they dont pay up.
Actually, an effective law would need to allow for whats known as a "private right of action" where individuals (or groups of individuals, classes, etc) can *SUE* senders of spam for damanges.
Anything requiring DA's to be involved will not be enough of a threat to spammers. And yes, it needs to be written without regards as to the *content* of the spam, as you note.
You've made my point for me - NYT isnt 'the' 'paper of record' - there are (at least 4, quoting you) 'papers of record'.
So, back to my original post, it would be really good if the slash editors, upon accepting a story submission with a link to the NYT (or any other site that instead of letting you link to the site, redirects you to a login), would either, replace or at least augment it, with a link that *does* go directly to the story, from an alternate source.
Perhaps in smaller countries such as Britain, France, etc, the concept of there being one primary paper that reports all the major news and represents the country as a whole is valid.
That simply isnt the case in the US. The NYT is just one paper among many. I wouldnt put it at the bottom, but neither would I put it at the top (if there even *is* a top)
The story gives a sampling of a few of the items on the list, but completely neglects to give a link to the actual complete list, or any mention whatsoever of how or where to see it.
This version of *GENTOO* (a reasonably new distribution, typically used by hardcore linux geeks) now has a graphical install.
Redhat (now Fedora), SuSe, and others, have had graphical installs since.. Well.. I honestly dont remember. Several years, at least. I know Redhat 6 had it, and thats pretty ancient now.
Comparing Linux install to Windows install is a red herring, since *MOST* windows users wouldnt be able to install *EITHER*.
But my telling you about it is going to do nothing for you - you need to try yourself. Find yourself a spare machine (doesnt have to be bleeding new, some old 500Mhz machine would be fine), and grab a copy of Fedora Core2 or 3 (may not be the 'perfect' choice, but for getting an idea of Linux, its probably a good choice), and install it. Play with it. Install some apps. Break it. Reinstall it. etc.
Whats so 'great' about the New York Times? Its just one large, well-known paper. Certainly not the only large, well-known paper.
Ney York Times is *NOT* the only major, reputable, source of online news. If you go to google and search for 'intel disco ball', in addition to slash and the NYT, there is Cnet/news.com and the UK Inquirer with the same story - And given the somewhat 'worthlessness' of this particular story, I'm sure that other more important stories will get picked up by more sources than that.
To be honest, if it was me handling submitted artiles, I'd put a link to *googles* search for the topic/title in question, and then readers could pick which news outlet they wanted to read the story from (or even read a couple, if you think theres a chance of slants or changes).
Whats wrong with expecting to be able to see it on/., click the link, and have the story come up, without having to login, or search for the story somewhere else, etc.
I dont want to maintain an account there, and their reg form is like 3 pages long, so I dont want to create one on demand either.
Its just a royal pain in the ass. Who is it that keeps submitting NYT stories, and how hard would it be for them (or the ed) to quick hit googles newspage, and a link to the same story that actually *links to* the story.
It should be part of the basic checks - the links given as part of a story submission should actually go to the story and not redirect to a login form. It defeats the entire point of the link.
And im sure someone will counter with - readers can hit google too, but it seems like it makes more sense for *one* person to do it, once, as the article is posted, to save the thousands from each having to do it individually.
Slashdot Mirror
Who said they were an open relay?
Maybe the spam was sent *to* staff/students at Penn State and UoP (and the other ISPs and businesses mentioned).
If you send me spam, then I would certainly consider you to be abusing my mailserver. (which is sure damn not an open relay)
1. That they may or may not have been spamming has nothing to do with this story - they are being sued for *FRAUD* (possibly for issuing degrees to cats, and/or for using deceptive subjects in their emails) If they had used accurate email subjects, and had been careful to verify the information on who they were granting degrees to, the PA DA wouldnt have so much as blinked. Not that it isnt a good thing that frauds are taken to point, but it would be nice to see some DA's actually do it over just the spamming part - that they are sending emails (regardless of their content, or wether it was fraudulent) to people that DID NOT ask for them, and DID NOT want them.
2. As much as I despise the entire concept of degrees (legitimate or otherwise), if they are guilt of fraud, then the person that sent them a resume listing false information about their cat is guilty as well. I would assume (and hope) that somewhere in the process of submitting a resume they included something about "you affirm that the information you submit in your resume is truthful"
Upper right, you can click either 'View titles only' or View with message text'
'View with message text' is the default, and 'view titles only' is fairly close to the old display of the index.
Click on either 'read more' (if viewing with text), or the thread subject (title) (if viewing titles only), and this will display that thread.
The default thread display, shows everything flat. Right below the thread title, there should be something like 'All xx messages in topic', and then right next to it, to the right 'View as tree', which will display similar to the way the old interface did. (If you want to switch back to flat, click 'No frame' in the left-hand frame)
For me at least, trying to use that gets us redirected to the new interface - if you are still getting the old one its possible google changed the IP, and your ISP has cached the old one. If you are still able to access the old google groups, please tell us what IP you are getting for it, so those of us whos ISP dns caches have already expired can hardcode it in out /etc/hosts
Unfortunately, their probably solution will be to mandate hardware changes that prevent 'unauthorized' software from running. (And some large IT company such as MS will be in charge of deciding whats authorized, of course). So MS will lock out its competition, and lock everyone in to running vulnerable crap that is in itself the source of most of the zombie armies.
Many lights switch to a flashing red/yellow combination (red for one road, yellow for the other) after a certain time in the evening - it baffles me why more dont. There is one light in particular in my area (which was a stupid place to begin with) that does this, and its in an area thats absolutely *dead* at night, and Ive been annoyed to no end having to wait for it (I suppose I should be happy that it does at least cycle - its not stuck waiting for a sensor)
Personally, I think traffic could be much smoother if instead of the traditional green-yellow-red alternatiting cycle lights currently use, is if instead during light or normal traffic conditions, they instead were red/yellow flashing, alternating between which road had which color (possibly with a sensor to prompt the cycle), and then if there was heavy continuous traffic from both directions, then they could revert to the familiar red/yellow/green cycle.
I'd hardly call bolting a motherboard and cpu into a case 'manufacturing'. And if you are doing a few thousand of an identical configuration, you only have to 'design' it once, then buy in quantity (at considerable savings), and bolt them together.
Anyway, your company, you buy whatever you want.
Personally, since the brand of hardware is basically irrelevant, it would make much more sense to say 'xxx MacOS machines, and xxx *WINDOWS* machines (assuming they are running Windows)'
You do realize that you can buy the parts for these things yourself, dont you? Case/PS, motherboard/CPU, ram, HD, (NIC and/or video if not onboard), floppy (if needed), CDROM (if needed), and if you are upgrading reuse the same KB/mouse thats already there.
Among the benefits are:
1. You get *exactly* the components you want - no being forced to pick from their premade models, with just a few options.
2. Everything is 'industry standard' no proprietary slots, no strange mounting brackets or weird shaped faceplates.
3. A much better price, even at low quantities. And if you are buying a lot of them, you can do even better if you shop around.
There was recently an investigation about this on PBS - there *WERE* safety systems - but they werent turned on. (Not due to anything UC did, but due to the fact that the local people that worked there either didnt bother or forgot)
Someone else has suggested that there had been evidence of intentional sabotage.
Perhaps you should find out a bit more before you go placing all the blame at Dow's feet.
http://unioncarbide.com/
"Union Carbide Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company."
Running linux 'within' Windows defeats a lot of the point of using Linux. The main one being is that when Windows, crashes, so does Linux.
Replying to a thread isnt a new feature - Ive been using GG for about two years now and I've been doing that the entire time. Now sure where you've been.
Yeah, its called UseNet. Individual usenet accounts are available from companies such as SuperNews. You sue a Newsreader of your choice (Mozilla has one built in), and it downloads the headers and the articles.
Alternately, if you want it to be automated, you install newsserver software (such as INN, or one of the more modern ones), and then arrange for a newsfeed from your choice of providers. You can usually choose specific groups that you want to carry.
Theres already a (federal) law against junk faxes, and its written properly, allowing individuals to sue.
URL for more info: http://www.junkfax.org/
I propose civil damages and/or fines - eg where recipients of spam (individually, or as a class) can *SUE* the spammer, and attach their assets if they dont pay up.
Actually, an effective law would need to allow for whats known as a "private right of action" where individuals (or groups of individuals, classes, etc) can *SUE* senders of spam for damanges.
Anything requiring DA's to be involved will not be enough of a threat to spammers. And yes, it needs to be written without regards as to the *content* of the spam, as you note.
You've made my point for me - NYT isnt 'the' 'paper of record' - there are (at least 4, quoting you) 'papers of record'.
So, back to my original post, it would be really good if the slash editors, upon accepting a story submission with a link to the NYT (or any other site that instead of letting you link to the site, redirects you to a login), would either, replace or at least augment it, with a link that *does* go directly to the story, from an alternate source.
Perhaps in smaller countries such as Britain, France, etc, the concept of there being one primary paper that reports all the major news and represents the country as a whole is valid.
That simply isnt the case in the US. The NYT is just one paper among many. I wouldnt put it at the bottom, but neither would I put it at the top (if there even *is* a top)
The story gives a sampling of a few of the items on the list, but completely neglects to give a link to the actual complete list, or any mention whatsoever of how or where to see it.
This version of *GENTOO* (a reasonably new distribution, typically used by hardcore linux geeks) now has a graphical install.
Redhat (now Fedora), SuSe, and others, have had graphical installs since.. Well.. I honestly dont remember. Several years, at least. I know Redhat 6 had it, and thats pretty ancient now.
Comparing Linux install to Windows install is a red herring, since *MOST* windows users wouldnt be able to install *EITHER*.
But my telling you about it is going to do nothing for you - you need to try yourself. Find yourself a spare machine (doesnt have to be bleeding new, some old 500Mhz machine would be fine), and grab a copy of Fedora Core2 or 3 (may not be the 'perfect' choice, but for getting an idea of Linux, its probably a good choice), and install it. Play with it. Install some apps. Break it. Reinstall it. etc.
Whats so 'great' about the New York Times? Its just one large, well-known paper. Certainly not the only large, well-known paper.
Ney York Times is *NOT* the only major, reputable, source of online news. If you go to google and search for 'intel disco ball', in addition to slash and the NYT, there is Cnet/news.com and the UK Inquirer with the same story - And given the somewhat 'worthlessness' of this particular story, I'm sure that other more important stories will get picked up by more sources than that.
To be honest, if it was me handling submitted artiles, I'd put a link to *googles* search for the topic/title in question, and then readers could pick which news outlet they wanted to read the story from (or even read a couple, if you think theres a chance of slants or changes).
Still a pain in the ass.
/., click the link, and have the story come up, without having to login, or search for the story somewhere else, etc.
Whats wrong with expecting to be able to see it on
I dont want to maintain an account there, and their reg form is like 3 pages long, so I dont want to create one on demand either.
Its just a royal pain in the ass. Who is it that keeps submitting NYT stories, and how hard would it be for them (or the ed) to quick hit googles newspage, and a link to the same story that actually *links to* the story.
It should be part of the basic checks - the links given as part of a story submission should actually go to the story and not redirect to a login form. It defeats the entire point of the link.
And im sure someone will counter with - readers can hit google too, but it seems like it makes more sense for *one* person to do it, once, as the article is posted, to save the thousands from each having to do it individually.