This is such a lame idea, I don't know where to start.
Does this mean that children can't use or own computers?
If you don't know how to operate a car, people can die. If you don't know how to operate a computer, the same isn't true. And, to head of your argument there is a huge difference between how someone *might* get hurt/killed from information stolen from an easily hacked computer, and the fact that someone will almost certainly be hurt if they have never driven and get on the freeway operating a car for the first time.
I wish/.ers would learn to stop looking down on the less computer savvy.
This is such a typical/. attitude. "I'm a geek and know how to use a computer, you don't so you need to prove you're as smart as me."
You are the type of person that earns all us geeks the stereotype as the SNL "Computer Guy".
Isn't there a nice middle ground for this issue on a multiuser system like linux?
isn't that what my personal shell/env settings are for? (.bashrc)....
I set mine up to alias things in the way I want them to be. How many scripts am I going to run in my shell that do admin functions/etc. None, unless I'm logged in as root all the time, which is no no number 1.
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You basically want Linux to target the "Middle 50%" of users that Microsoft writes their software for.
This will make Linux better?
It's funny how slashdotters always want linux to replace windows, but shun targeting the same user level which MS has successfully exploited. Umm, if we want to take over their market share and thereby users, don't we have to target them? I sometimes think that slashdotters think that the rest of the worlds users should learn to program and understand their computers like a geek. Most people don't have the time, patience, or inclination to delve into it so deeply.
There is a MUCH simpler solution for this. Buy only used CD's. This may be a better solution for someone like me that isn't into "mainstream" (ironically more commonly called "alternative") music. I haven't bought a new CD in YEARS. I know where all the good used cd's stores in my area are, and I get 3-4 cd's for the price of a new cd. I only shop from cd stores that don't acccept scratched cds, and they often have used DVD's too, so I can screw both the RIAA and MPAA at the same time, save myself some money, and get exactly what I want.
It's pathetic that someone who posts this kind of drivel gets modded up. Unbelievable. What is wrong with you people?
This is one of the stupidest stories I've ever seen on slashdot. I'm a linux/OS advocate, but that doesn't mean that I have to point fingers at MS for something this freaking petty. All finger pointing for this kind of minor bug does is make it clear just how many people hate MS, not how many people truely love OSS.
Anyone who would intentionally penalize a user for using a browser they didn't like is just an ass. It's the true mark of a rank amateur with no professionalism at all.
Maybe you can get the school to let you set up your own genetic engineering lab!!! You could work together with the biology teachers and if there's a school garden you can try to grow tomatoes that glow in the dark or maybe breed some kind of intelligent hampster or something....
Thats not to say he's a not a criminal, as you describe. But he's no more a criminal than the PC maintenance guy that looks at data on a machine he or she is repairing. Or someone who reads the papers sitting out on someone elses desk. No theft, no intentional vandalism, just access to information he or she didn't have.
Wrong. In the situations you describe the party that gained access to the information they shouldn't have found themselves in a situation where the information was easily available. This is substantially different than a PC tech that disassembles someones box without their permission to gain access to their hard drive, or a person who sneaks into anothers cube to read the papers on their desk. Those situations more closely match what Mitnick did. That said, I agree that he got railroaded and deserved better treatment, but nonetheless he did commit serious crimes, it's just that the punishment was totally unconstitutional and out of scale due to the media hype.
My apologies then... As I said, I worked for "a" Joe Orr... And "if it's the same Joe Orr". I try to be a bit careful before slinging mud. Nonetheless, my bad.
I used to work for a Joe Orr. In a fucking sweatshop called "Cobalt Moon" in Santa Monica, CA. If this is the same Joe Orr, then let me tell you something about abuse of power.
16 hour days 6-7 days a week with no stock and nothing but a 33k a year salary. Often we were told to come in on the weekends for no reason. "Why do we need to work this weekend? We have everything on target." "Don't worry, we'll find something for you to do." Verbal abuse, unfair and unrealistic expectations.. The guy who ran the company for Joe called one of our artists "Dog Eater" because he thought it was funny. The artist was from Korea. It was my first job. I didn't know better at first, but I quickly learned. Joe made a fortune off the internet boom, and likely lost it all in the recent decline. This man has NO scruples at all. While I do have to agree that Visa going after him is silly, I can't help but feel like he's due a little smackdown from the Cosmic Karma.
I think the 20th century was the begining of a dangerous trend in science in which the only valid reason to achieve something is for the betterment of the scientists reputation, not the betterment of humanity. There's no thought of morality, the health of (whether a clone or not) is still an innocent baby human being. Human experimentation should NEVER take place except under very, very strict supervision within 'acceptable' parameters (like clinical trials for medication, etc).
It is only a matter of time before someone starts abusing the techniques developed from this and other types of research. In my opinion just DOING this type of research is evil. Trying to grow stem cells in a lab is one thing. Trying to clone a human is messing with a pot only God should be stirring.
Your hatred is evidence enough of your stupidity. As well as your unwillingness to look at the facts.
1) There was no country called "Palestine" there before Israel was created. 2) There were 300,000 "Palestinians" there when Israel was created. 3) The world created Israel with a UN resolution. The Palestinians had the chance for compromise. They refused to accept it then, and they refuse now.
But please, continue to turn a blind eye to the facts. You must be an Egyptian, 'cause you're swimming in Denial.
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Technically you are correct. The Egyptians blocked all shipping through the Suez, so they really didn't have much choice. But, I suppose the world would have found a reason to hop on the "Zionist Conspiracies" back if they had just allowed themselves to be starved as well.
The Israelis really don't like war. Believe it or not. 8)
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It's not that we're hated because we still, to this day, Israel with billions of dollars of aid, despite its harsh treatment of Palestinians and massacres in Lebanon.
I have had it with this type of spin. Let's get something straight here.
There was never a country called "Palestine" on the map in the past several hundred years, if ever. Until WWII the area was called the "Palestinian Mandate" and controlled by the UK. The brits got hold of the land after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI. The Turks (Ottoman Empire) controlled the area for at least a couple of hundred years before that.
The vast majority (around 80-90%) of the population of Jordan (which BTW was ALSO part of the "Palestinian Mandate") is Palestinian. Let's just rename "Jordan" to "Palestine" and be done with it.
The "Occupied Territories" were taken during the 6 day war when the Arab countries (again) united to try to push the Israelis to the sea. As usual, they got their asses kicked. The ARABS started that war. The Israelis gained territory (most of which has been returned in terms of area. Ever hear of the Sinai?) as a result of Arab Aggresion. The didn't just decide to invade Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.
As for Lebanon, the border with Lebanon was (for decades) referred to as "The Good Fence". Why? Because the Israelis and Lebanese got on just fine until Syria annexed Lebanon to stage terrorist attacks on Israel. Lebanon has been "occupied" in the truest sense of the word by the Syrians for decades now. No more good fence. Ever wonder why you don't hear that on the major news networks? That's (intentional) misinformation. The only war of aggression you could possibly accuse the Israelis of is the security zone in Lebanon. So, I'll ask you this. If you lived in San Diego and Mexican terrorists sponsored by China and Cuba were lobbing rockets into your neighborhood weekly, daily, or hourly, how long do you think the US govt would put up with that before stomping it out? How long would you be willing to put up with it. That is why they invaded Lebanon, and they have paid dearly for it.
When the UN was creating Israel, they offered 1/2 of the land to the Palestinians. This deal wasn't good enough for them then, and guess what, it's still not. It's an all or nothing proposition to them. Arafat says one thing to the press, then tells Fatah to blow up a Passover Seder. Or to attack on Yom Kippur.
While under Arab rule, jews couldn't visit the Wailing Wall, the Holiest site for jews. Maybe the only holy site for jews. The reverse has never been true for the arabs and the Al Aqba mosk on the Temple Mount.
I'm a Jew. I have lived in Israel, and I'll tell you, my understanding of the problem changed dramatically once I was there. I became far more compassionate towards Israel. And I believe the Palestinians should have their own land. I think it's hypocritcal as a jew to say otherwise. Some of the things the Israelis did during the Intifada disgust me. Hearing a jew say "I was just following orders" is wrong. Very wrong. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about misinformation. Well, my 17 year old friend. It appears that you're more of a victim of misinformation than you know. I'm very impressed by the amount of history you know. Now, why don't you dig a little deeper and try to look at both sides before accepting what's put in front of you like a sheep.
I think what we really need is some sort of standard interface to control a phones behavior beyond just "it works, it doesn't". Ferinstance... How about when you walk in the theater, the phone automatically gets set to "vibrate", and the mic/headset ONLY work in the lobby. Maybe a standard message goes out to the caller saying "the user of this phone is in a no-talk environment". That way, everyone wins. I don't have to listen to some schmuck babble about sometime stupid in the theater, but he can still waste his $8 from the movie tickets if he wants to talk through the whole movie. He just doesn't get the opportunity to waste my $8.
Come to LA and breathe the brown air. Go to the beach on a windy day and see either what clean air _doesn't_ look like, or what dirty air does. Then tell me that humans aren't having an impact on the environment.
achording to most people I've asked, jokes like that will get you the finger. Try not to get so amped up next time. Are you on medication? Is that your excuse? Then don't drive. You might get in a Fender bender. Stay at home and play with your GIGahertz machine. Try to stick to the BASSics in life.
While I agree with your conclusion that genetic engineering == bad, some of your logic is flawed.....
>Well, IMO, this goes against natural selection. Weaknesses are inherent in all forms of life. And in this case, the weakness is basically being forced out of the child. I don't think this is a good thing, and here is why...
So does anything associated with modern medicine. I would have died from a ruptured appendix when I was 10 had it not been for (modern) surgery and medication.
>What happens when the governments start screening every child that is born for any inherent form of "weakness"? Will those children never receive the chance to live? Will they be branded "inferior"? This has the potential to be an extremely bad thing.
This has already happened. Most people think of Nazi Germany, but it's happened here too. Read up on Eugenics and the forced sterilization of those labeled (correctly or otherwise) by govt doctors as mentally retarded.
>If you want a child so badly, lady, go ADOPT ONE.
I agree completely. But, the problem is that it runs against the grain of our consumer culture. Can you really expect a woman to adopt a rejected (implied inferiority) child rather than pay for her own superior (through genetic engineering) child, when the same woman would rather get liposuction than commit to working out in the gym for 6 months?
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/.ers would learn to stop looking down on the less computer savvy.
/. attitude. "I'm a geek and know how to use a computer, you don't so you need to prove you're as smart as me."
This is such a lame idea, I don't know where to start.
Does this mean that children can't use or own computers?
If you don't know how to operate a car, people can die. If you don't know how to operate a computer, the same isn't true. And, to head of your argument there is a huge difference between how someone *might* get hurt/killed from information stolen from an easily hacked computer, and the fact that someone will almost certainly be hurt if they have never driven and get on the freeway operating a car for the first time.
I wish
This is such a typical
You are the type of person that earns all us geeks the stereotype as the SNL "Computer Guy".
Isn't there a nice middle ground for this issue on a multiuser system like linux?
isn't that what my personal shell/env settings are for? (.bashrc)....
I set mine up to alias things in the way I want them to be. How many scripts am I going to run in my shell that do admin functions/etc. None, unless I'm logged in as root all the time, which is no no number 1.
You basically want Linux to target the "Middle 50%" of users that Microsoft writes their software for.
This will make Linux better?
It's funny how slashdotters always want linux to replace windows, but shun targeting the same user level which MS has successfully exploited. Umm, if we want to take over their market share and thereby users, don't we have to target them? I sometimes think that slashdotters think that the rest of the worlds users should learn to program and understand their computers like a geek. Most people don't have the time, patience, or inclination to delve into it so deeply.
It's like trying to beat Tiger Woods at golf.
;)
Great. Thanks for reminding us that not only can't we compete with Indians in the job market, we can't even compete with them on the golf course.
There is a MUCH simpler solution for this. Buy only used CD's. This may be a better solution for someone like me that isn't into "mainstream" (ironically more commonly called "alternative") music. I haven't bought a new CD in YEARS. I know where all the good used cd's stores in my area are, and I get 3-4 cd's for the price of a new cd. I only shop from cd stores that don't acccept scratched cds, and they often have used DVD's too, so I can screw both the RIAA and MPAA at the same time, save myself some money, and get exactly what I want.
It's pathetic that someone who posts this kind of drivel gets modded up. Unbelievable. What is wrong with you people?
This is one of the stupidest stories I've ever seen on slashdot. I'm a linux/OS advocate, but that doesn't mean that I have to point fingers at MS for something this freaking petty. All finger pointing for this kind of minor bug does is make it clear just how many people hate MS, not how many people truely love OSS.
Anyone who would intentionally penalize a user for using a browser they didn't like is just an ass. It's the true mark of a rank amateur with no professionalism at all.
Go ahead, call me a troll.
Maybe you can get the school to let you set up your own genetic engineering lab!!! You could work together with the biology teachers and if there's a school garden you can try to grow tomatoes that glow in the dark or maybe breed some kind of intelligent hampster or something....
Just a thought.
Wrong. In the situations you describe the party that gained access to the information they shouldn't have found themselves in a situation where the information was easily available. This is substantially different than a PC tech that disassembles someones box without their permission to gain access to their hard drive, or a person who sneaks into anothers cube to read the papers on their desk. Those situations more closely match what Mitnick did. That said, I agree that he got railroaded and deserved better treatment, but nonetheless he did commit serious crimes, it's just that the punishment was totally unconstitutional and out of scale due to the media hype.
My apologies then... As I said, I worked for "a" Joe Orr... And "if it's the same Joe Orr". I try to be a bit careful before slinging mud. Nonetheless, my bad.
I used to work for a Joe Orr. In a fucking sweatshop called "Cobalt Moon" in Santa Monica, CA. If this is the same Joe Orr, then let me tell you something about abuse of power.
16 hour days 6-7 days a week with no stock and nothing but a 33k a year salary. Often we were told to come in on the weekends for no reason. "Why do we need to work this weekend? We have everything on target." "Don't worry, we'll find something for you to do." Verbal abuse, unfair and unrealistic expectations.. The guy who ran the company for Joe called one of our artists "Dog Eater" because he thought it was funny. The artist was from Korea. It was my first job. I didn't know better at first, but I quickly learned. Joe made a fortune off the internet boom, and likely lost it all in the recent decline. This man has NO scruples at all. While I do have to agree that Visa going after him is silly, I can't help but feel like he's due a little smackdown from the Cosmic Karma.
I agree.
I think the 20th century was the begining of a dangerous trend in science in which the only valid reason to achieve something is for the betterment of the scientists reputation, not the betterment of humanity. There's no thought of morality, the health of (whether a clone or not) is still an innocent baby human being. Human experimentation should NEVER take place except under very, very strict supervision within 'acceptable' parameters (like clinical trials for medication, etc).
It is only a matter of time before someone starts abusing the techniques developed from this and other types of research. In my opinion just DOING this type of research is evil. Trying to grow stem cells in a lab is one thing. Trying to clone a human is messing with a pot only God should be stirring.
So I guess that proves that where cloning is concerned, the penis don't enter into it.
;)
Maybe I could have phrased that better.
Your hatred is evidence enough of your stupidity. As well as your unwillingness to look at the facts.
1) There was no country called "Palestine" there before Israel was created.
2) There were 300,000 "Palestinians" there when Israel was created.
3) The world created Israel with a UN resolution. The Palestinians had the chance for compromise. They refused to accept it then, and they refuse now.
But please, continue to turn a blind eye to the facts. You must be an Egyptian, 'cause you're swimming in Denial.
Technically you are correct. The Egyptians blocked all shipping through the Suez, so they really didn't have much choice. But, I suppose the world would have found a reason to hop on the "Zionist Conspiracies" back if they had just allowed themselves to be starved as well.
The Israelis really don't like war. Believe it or not. 8)
I have had it with this type of spin. Let's get something straight here.
I'm a Jew. I have lived in Israel, and I'll tell you, my understanding of the problem changed dramatically once I was there. I became far more compassionate towards Israel. And I believe the Palestinians should have their own land. I think it's hypocritcal as a jew to say otherwise. Some of the things the Israelis did during the Intifada disgust me. Hearing a jew say "I was just following orders" is wrong. Very wrong. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about misinformation. Well, my 17 year old friend. It appears that you're more of a victim of misinformation than you know. I'm very impressed by the amount of history you know. Now, why don't you dig a little deeper and try to look at both sides before accepting what's put in front of you like a sheep.
Odd.
I would call disabling your phone completely 'changing settings', but that's just me I guess.
Plus, the idea is that the change only effects you in a certain area. It doesn't change the settings on your phone except when in the theater, etc...
I think what we really need is some sort of standard interface to control a phones behavior beyond just "it works, it doesn't". Ferinstance... How about when you walk in the theater, the phone automatically gets set to "vibrate", and the mic/headset ONLY work in the lobby. Maybe a standard message goes out to the caller saying "the user of this phone is in a no-talk environment". That way, everyone wins. I don't have to listen to some schmuck babble about sometime stupid in the theater, but he can still waste his $8 from the movie tickets if he wants to talk through the whole movie. He just doesn't get the opportunity to waste my $8.
Come to LA and breathe the brown air. Go to the beach on a windy day and see either what clean air _doesn't_ look like, or what dirty air does. Then tell me that humans aren't having an impact on the environment.
Can I see yourwifes rack???
I was poking around yourwifespubis and I found something that rubbed me the wrong way.....
achording to most people I've asked, jokes like that will get you the finger. Try not to get so amped up next time. Are you on medication? Is that your excuse? Then don't drive. You might get in a Fender bender. Stay at home and play with your GIGahertz machine. Try to stick to the BASSics in life.
So,
What's the weather like in Stepford today?
What's so evil about weeding out these undesireable genes?
Or, in another context:
Hitler (speaking to Himmler):What's so evil about weeding out these undesireable genes?
While I agree with your conclusion that genetic engineering == bad, some of your logic is flawed.....
>Well, IMO, this goes against natural selection. Weaknesses are inherent in all forms of life. And in this case, the weakness is basically being forced out of the child. I don't think this is a good thing, and here is why...
So does anything associated with modern medicine. I would have died from a ruptured appendix when I was 10 had it not been for (modern) surgery and medication.
>What happens when the governments start screening every child that is born for any inherent form of "weakness"? Will those children never receive the chance to live? Will they be branded "inferior"? This has the potential to be an extremely bad thing.
This has already happened. Most people think of Nazi Germany, but it's happened here too. Read up on Eugenics and the forced sterilization of those labeled (correctly or otherwise) by govt doctors as mentally retarded.
>If you want a child so badly, lady, go ADOPT ONE.
I agree completely. But, the problem is that it runs against the grain of our consumer culture. Can you really expect a woman to adopt a rejected (implied inferiority) child rather than pay for her own superior (through genetic engineering) child, when the same woman would rather get liposuction than commit to working out in the gym for 6 months?
No, they have been searching in the wrong areola of the DNA sequence.