I don't know what you are talking about. The scroll function ROCKS. I run W2K/XP with IE on a Sony picturebook and the mousepointer acts as a wheel when the middle button is clicked. It rocks on this 900 gram laptop!
Sorry but a unix with Kde/Gnome and Mozilla come nowhere compared to the usuability I get on my laptop with the software I have right now. For server uses, mail, etc I use my FreeBSD machine through an X-server. For browsing, multimedia, etc, an NT kernel based Windows (XP or W2K) with IE just ROCKS on my machine. Mozilla looks, feels and acts like a clunky joke. It's not something I want to waste my $2500 laptop on.
Guess I'm not idealistic enough, sorry. And that it finally has save dialogs that works is not reason enough to switch, it only says something about the abysmal state of user interface development in the free software movement, when this is considered an accomplishment. Also, not crashing? Been enjoying that for some while now, with IE. The couple of features that make it stand out from Netscape are, as I said, compensated by it incredible bloated- and clunkyness. You may have different priorities, but I like a smooth integrated, polished, working interface to work with, and I don't find it back in Mozilla.
Been there, done that. I've been installing new milestones every once in a while because "it's really good now" advices, but each and every time my conclusion is that it is still NOT good. It remains a bloated, slow, pig.
You people WANTING it to be good doesn't make it so. I much rather use Netscape 4.x than Mozilla. But then, I much rather use IE than Netscape, so why even bother?
I have no intention of selling myself short by using a bloated product that just didn't fulfull its promises (and my needs) at all. I abhor using it, and I can decide for myself what I think is software that sucks. Is it mandatory on Slashdot to speak raving about open software, even when it's about a failed product? Not every one falls into the "it's so good now, really" trap, dude.
You can try to make fun of him, but the fact is, Internet Explorer is by far the best browser at the moment. Mozilla/Opera/Konq/etc. all have specialities but lack in other area's. IE has it all: speed, rendering, functionality, footprint, etc.
Hate to say it but the Mozilla project has had their chance. In 2,5 year they didn't produce anything that is better than codebase they started with.
They fell in the typical 'committee' trap, where a committee decides what goes into a product. These are usually personal projects of the committee members which haven't a lot to do with the project at hand. But they put them in the project anyway. User wishes are not found interesting.
Well, we now have the result. After 2,5 of dabbling, Mozilla - overall - still hasn't risen above the Netscape 4.x level. Everything that has been improved has been compensated, unfortunately, by the bloatedness, instability, memory hunger, static look and feel, etc.
This isn't really a product for actual use by people. It's the result of committe-steered software development and in that context it's really a disgrace for the open source community. It only serves as an icon for those in the committee who saw their useless ideas get into the project.
Sorry, but 2,5 years for this? I valued my time better and moved on.
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Compartmentalization? Would that be like the FreeBSD jail feature?
JAIL(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual JAIL(8)
NAME
jail - imprison process and its descendants
SYNOPSIS
jail path hostname ip-number command...
DESCRIPTION
The jail command imprisons a process and all future descendants.
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What would be the differences in chances that a Slashdot user that uses Windows/IE would like a story about 56K modems more or less than a Linux/Netscape using Slashdot user?
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From these statistics:
More than 70% of Slashdot readers uses Windows.
Not even 20% uses Unix, of which about 16% uses Linux.
More than 70% of Slashdot readers uses Internet Explorer.
I'm not drawing final conclusions from this (I use W2K for browsing and multimedia but have a FreeBSD box for the rest, which is invisible in these statistics), but it surely says something about the desktop usage of OS'en and browsers within the Slashdot community.
I always found Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer the best combination for browsing and 'desktop' stuff. Seems I'm not alone..
(Don't flame me yet, I do my e-mail/news/programming on unix and my favorite editor is vi.. )
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I get it, you use the wave of users to the 56k site, coming from Slashdot. Very smart.:)
There are some problems with those statistics though. I think they switched IE 2.0 and 4.0. Furthermore, where is IE 6? It's available as a download and it's in XP. All beta, but a lot of people are using it, I don't think there's more Amiga users reading slashdot than XP users..
For the rest, interesting stuff, hope the Statistics are mostly Slashdot referers otherwise they could be screwed.
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Why should we believe that these are real Slashdot stats? I'ld love to see 'm, but any one can just post a link to some made up numbers.
Wouldn't it be an idea to put the Linux kernel, and 'surrounding' stuff (in the context of linux and it's distributions) under a BSD license?
I know a little about what the pro's and con's of several free software licenses are, and - at least in my humble opinion - a BSD license would be more free that the GPL.
Personally with free I mean it as in:
free beer
free speach
free of 'socialistic' (in the Russia, 1917, meaning of the word) leadership
A BSD license would allow a company to extend your code without contributing it back. It would allow the code to be used in baby shredding machines (just to talk in Theo de Raadt's style:), but on the other hand, it would be really free for any one. Much like public domain, but you get the credit and you would still have a lot of developers working on the stuff, like it is now. Apache, X, the BSD's and lots more big good projects use the BSD license and they don't seem to have a problem with it.
This is really stuff for more discussion, also outside Slashdot (stories with their comments only live that long). It's just a thought.
PS: don't take the baby shredder too seriously, it's just to make a point:)
I like a troll every once and a while. But IMO, this goes too far. There is no indication that you don't mean it, and I'm afraid that if this really is your fantasy, you might even bring it into practice (if you haven't already).
As far as I'm concerned, the IP address - which is naturally safely in a log with the slashdot crew - should be traced and a national authority should be put on this (the FBI in the US), only to check out who you are and what you do. This might prevent an awful thing as you describe from actually happening.
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Thank you!;)
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I believe Rob mentioned a short while ago that the bulk of traffic happens during work days. The weekend is a little slower. Therefore picking the weekend makes sense, since less people suffer from possible problems during the switcheroo. I'm not sure if this is the reason for choosing friday, though.
Not only the.net (pun not intended:) libraries are important in this respect. Also the portability, running in a web browser and running on a server as a servlet, have to do with it.
I agree, although even for some optimised stuff Java is suited well too. The math routines seem to be rather fast (I believe especially using IBM tools). With this stuff, as (JIT) compiled code, performance is comparable with C/C++.
Wouldn't want to write a device driver in it, though..:)
In my university (vrije universiteit in Amsterdam) you get an introductory course in programming in Java, then a datastructures course in Java and a course in x86 assembly.
Then, an introductory course in C/C++ is given and a software engineering course in Java w/ Swing follows. Then you get a large course in plain C, and depending on the direction of your studies, you'll get one or more large courses using C, C++, Prolog, Miranda, Java, or whatever is best suited for the job.
I think the choice for Java for the introductory and software engineering stuff is great, because in these applications you don't want or need the low level stuff in which C is good.
Furthermore Java looks relatively 'clean' and is suited well to learn imperative as well as OO concepts.
With JIT compilers becoming faster and faster, and the paradigm shift of user applications from autonomous programs to web applications, Java is becoming more important.
However, C and C++ will remain very important, for example for system programming. A lot of Unices, MacOS and Windows are built on these two languages. Component, object and application frameworks like MFC, KDE, QT are written in them. A very large application base is written in them and it will not be replaced overnight.
I don't think Java will ever completely take over C/C++, simply because the hardware accessibility just isn't in Java and you need it when programming an OS.
But when building a new application, Java is more often than not a better choice than C/C++, simple because it was build with networking in mind.
And on top of that, play a good game of Quake too!
I can only imagine the frustration of people waiting in line, while the college student who can't afford his own Geforce has finished playing Unreal Tournament on the ATM. (Online through it's POTS/ISDN connection, mind you!)
Slashdot Mirror
This makes the ultimate spamrelay.. ;)
Yeah, I bothered about two months ago for the last time (a 9.x release). It didn't change my opinion. But I bet the latest release would!!
I don't know what you are talking about. The scroll function ROCKS. I run W2K/XP with IE on a Sony picturebook and the mousepointer acts as a wheel when the middle button is clicked. It rocks on this 900 gram laptop!
Sorry but a unix with Kde/Gnome and Mozilla come nowhere compared to the usuability I get on my laptop with the software I have right now. For server uses, mail, etc I use my FreeBSD machine through an X-server. For browsing, multimedia, etc, an NT kernel based Windows (XP or W2K) with IE just ROCKS on my machine. Mozilla looks, feels and acts like a clunky joke. It's not something I want to waste my $2500 laptop on.
Guess I'm not idealistic enough, sorry. And that it finally has save dialogs that works is not reason enough to switch, it only says something about the abysmal state of user interface development in the free software movement, when this is considered an accomplishment. Also, not crashing? Been enjoying that for some while now, with IE. The couple of features that make it stand out from Netscape are, as I said, compensated by it incredible bloated- and clunkyness. You may have different priorities, but I like a smooth integrated, polished, working interface to work with, and I don't find it back in Mozilla.
Been there, done that. I've been installing new milestones every once in a while because "it's really good now" advices, but each and every time my conclusion is that it is still NOT good. It remains a bloated, slow, pig.
You people WANTING it to be good doesn't make it so. I much rather use Netscape 4.x than Mozilla. But then, I much rather use IE than Netscape, so why even bother?
I have no intention of selling myself short by using a bloated product that just didn't fulfull its promises (and my needs) at all. I abhor using it, and I can decide for myself what I think is software that sucks. Is it mandatory on Slashdot to speak raving about open software, even when it's about a failed product? Not every one falls into the "it's so good now, really" trap, dude.
You can try to make fun of him, but the fact is, Internet Explorer is by far the best browser at the moment. Mozilla/Opera/Konq/etc. all have specialities but lack in other area's. IE has it all: speed, rendering, functionality, footprint, etc.
Hate to say it but the Mozilla project has had their chance. In 2,5 year they didn't produce anything that is better than codebase they started with.
They fell in the typical 'committee' trap, where a committee decides what goes into a product. These are usually personal projects of the committee members which haven't a lot to do with the project at hand. But they put them in the project anyway. User wishes are not found interesting.
Well, we now have the result. After 2,5 of dabbling, Mozilla - overall - still hasn't risen above the Netscape 4.x level. Everything that has been improved has been compensated, unfortunately, by the bloatedness, instability, memory hunger, static look and feel, etc.
This isn't really a product for actual use by people. It's the result of committe-steered software development and in that context it's really a disgrace for the open source community. It only serves as an icon for those in the committee who saw their useless ideas get into the project.
Sorry, but 2,5 years for this? I valued my time better and moved on.
cvsup -L 2 -g supfile
does the trick on my system.
The -g switch disables the GUI.
Compartmentalization? Would that be like the FreeBSD jail feature?
...
JAIL(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual JAIL(8)
NAME
jail - imprison process and its descendants
SYNOPSIS
jail path hostname ip-number command
DESCRIPTION
The jail command imprisons a process and all future descendants.
[...]
What would be the differences in chances that a Slashdot user that uses Windows/IE would like a story about 56K modems more or less than a Linux/Netscape using Slashdot user?
From these statistics:
More than 70% of Slashdot readers uses Windows.
Not even 20% uses Unix, of which about 16% uses Linux.
More than 70% of Slashdot readers uses Internet Explorer.
I'm not drawing final conclusions from this (I use W2K for browsing and multimedia but have a FreeBSD box for the rest, which is invisible in these statistics), but it surely says something about the desktop usage of OS'en and browsers within the Slashdot community.
I always found Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer the best combination for browsing and 'desktop' stuff. Seems I'm not alone..
(Don't flame me yet, I do my e-mail/news/programming on unix and my favorite editor is vi.. )
I get it, you use the wave of users to the 56k site, coming from Slashdot. Very smart. :)
There are some problems with those statistics though. I think they switched IE 2.0 and 4.0. Furthermore, where is IE 6? It's available as a download and it's in XP. All beta, but a lot of people are using it, I don't think there's more Amiga users reading slashdot than XP users..
For the rest, interesting stuff, hope the Statistics are mostly Slashdot referers otherwise they could be screwed.
Why should we believe that these are real Slashdot stats? I'ld love to see 'm, but any one can just post a link to some made up numbers.
But which kind of English?
Red hat English, SuSE English, Mandrake English? Or perhaps Slackware English, Corel English or Stampede English? Debian English? Ultra English, Yellow Dog English? Caldera OpenEnglish, Storm English, Bastille English, Castle English, LinuxOne English, Mastodon English, OpenShare English or Ocularis English? Phat English, SlackNet English? WinEnglish, Think Blue English, Yggdrasil English?
Or one of the 10s or 100s more dialects available?
Just curious...
Wouldn't it be an idea to put the Linux kernel, and 'surrounding' stuff (in the context of linux and it's distributions) under a BSD license?
:), but on the other hand, it would be really free for any one. Much like public domain, but you get the credit and you would still have a lot of developers working on the stuff, like it is now. Apache, X, the BSD's and lots more big good projects use the BSD license and they don't seem to have a problem with it.
:)
I know a little about what the pro's and con's of several free software licenses are, and - at least in my humble opinion - a BSD license would be more free that the GPL.
Personally with free I mean it as in:
free beer
free speach
free of 'socialistic' (in the Russia, 1917, meaning of the word) leadership
A BSD license would allow a company to extend your code without contributing it back. It would allow the code to be used in baby shredding machines (just to talk in Theo de Raadt's style
This is really stuff for more discussion, also outside Slashdot (stories with their comments only live that long). It's just a thought.
PS: don't take the baby shredder too seriously, it's just to make a point
You don't know me, so what LOOKS to you means nothing.
The parent may be a harmless thought crime, but then again, it may not be.
And if you want to discuss further, come out of the closet. I have no intention of discussing this with an AC.
I like a troll every once and a while. But IMO, this goes too far. There is no indication that you don't mean it, and I'm afraid that if this really is your fantasy, you might even bring it into practice (if you haven't already).
As far as I'm concerned, the IP address - which is naturally safely in a log with the slashdot crew - should be traced and a national authority should be put on this (the FBI in the US), only to check out who you are and what you do. This might prevent an awful thing as you describe from actually happening.
Thank you! ;)
This deserves to be modded up as Funny!
I believe Rob mentioned a short while ago that the bulk of traffic happens during work days. The weekend is a little slower. Therefore picking the weekend makes sense, since less people suffer from possible problems during the switcheroo. I'm not sure if this is the reason for choosing friday, though.
Not only the .net (pun not intended :) libraries are important in this respect. Also the portability, running in a web browser and running on a server as a servlet, have to do with it.
This is what I mean with 'networking in mind'.
I agree, although even for some optimised stuff Java is suited well too. The math routines seem to be rather fast (I believe especially using IBM tools). With this stuff, as (JIT) compiled code, performance is comparable with C/C++.
:)
Wouldn't want to write a device driver in it, though..
In my university (vrije universiteit in Amsterdam) you get an introductory course in programming in Java, then a datastructures course in Java and a course in x86 assembly.
Then, an introductory course in C/C++ is given and a software engineering course in Java w/ Swing follows. Then you get a large course in plain C, and depending on the direction of your studies, you'll get one or more large courses using C, C++, Prolog, Miranda, Java, or whatever is best suited for the job.
I think the choice for Java for the introductory and software engineering stuff is great, because in these applications you don't want or need the low level stuff in which C is good.
Furthermore Java looks relatively 'clean' and is suited well to learn imperative as well as OO concepts.
With JIT compilers becoming faster and faster, and the paradigm shift of user applications from autonomous programs to web applications, Java is becoming more important.
However, C and C++ will remain very important, for example for system programming. A lot of Unices, MacOS and Windows are built on these two languages. Component, object and application frameworks like MFC, KDE, QT are written in them. A very large application base is written in them and it will not be replaced overnight.
I don't think Java will ever completely take over C/C++, simply because the hardware accessibility just isn't in Java and you need it when programming an OS.
But when building a new application, Java is more often than not a better choice than C/C++, simple because it was build with networking in mind.
And on top of that, play a good game of Quake too!
I can only imagine the frustration of people waiting in line, while the college student who can't afford his own Geforce has finished playing Unreal Tournament on the ATM. (Online through it's POTS/ISDN connection, mind you!)
For the paranoid:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/Helios/inde x.html
With a 74 meter wingspan, this comes not really as a surprise.. :)