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ASCI's Debutante Debut

yoshi writes "Apparently, Lawrence Livermore Lab had an open house yesterday for ASCI White, the world's most powerful computer, and CNN has a story on it, including a picture of one of the sys admins! One of the great things about the system is how much information is available. Check out the hardware and software environments."

99 comments

  1. Obligatory stuff by Cyclopedian · · Score: 1
    "Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these?"
    "Does it run linux?"
    "can I get root?"
    "(AYBABTU clone on ASCI white)"

    Now lets get some real discussions going here...
    -Cyc

    1. Re:Obligatory stuff by quintessent · · Score: 2

      I wonder if "BigWhiteHacks.org" is still available...

    2. Re:Obligatory stuff by Huff · · Score: 1

      Cluster 'em
      Then run Seti@Home on it

      and oh dear, we find big eyed monsters before we can say Men In Black

    3. Re:Obligatory stuff by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      "Does it have a floppy drive?"

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    4. Re:Obligatory stuff by jgrumbles · · Score: 1

      Can it run Windows? *duck*

    5. Re:Obligatory stuff by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Umm... It kinda already is a cluster. Specifically, its an RS/6000 SP system, which is IBM's compute cluster technology.

  2. Chess by term0r · · Score: 1

    "The mammoth computer is 1,000 times more powerful than Deep Blue, which defeated chess grand master Garry Kasparov in 1997."
    So do we get to see this computer beat another chess champion?

    1. Re:Chess by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see it beat 1000 chess champions..

      all at once

    2. Re:Chess by term0r · · Score: 1

      "I'd like to see it beat 1000 chess champions..

      all at once"


      Why not make it a real challenge, and do it running WindowsME?

    3. Re:Chess by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: 0

      knaw, they probably use XP.. it's more stable

    4. Re:Chess by Karmageddon · · Score: 1
      So do we get to see this computer beat another chess champion?

      probably not: i just hacked into it for a minute and told it "there is a winning strategy for tic tac toe, find it"... heh heh... the prompt never came back. c u l8r asci!

  3. Re::) by SONET · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    First and third post... is it just me or is there something not right here?

    I've been reading slashdot since.... well... since Rob owned it and 20 comments was considered 'a lot', yet this is the first time I have been able to claim first post.

    Something is definately wrong. :)

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  4. It's for rent! by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Funny

    With that kind of power, there's got to be some kind of emergent intelligence in there.

    Hey ASCI, what's the meaning of life?

    Dancin Santa

    1. Re:It's for rent! by reverius · · Score: 2, Funny

      And how does this Meaning of Life make you feel?

    2. Re:It's for rent! by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 1

      Argh! Someone's loaded Eliza on the big iron!

      Dancin Santa

    3. Re:It's for rent! by quintessent · · Score: 2
      "What is your name?"

      "ASCI"

      "What's the meaning of life?"

      "forty-one, no wait, fortAAAAAaAAAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!"

    4. Re:It's for rent! by cybergeek · · Score: 1

      The Meaning of Life?

      For that, you'd need a machine that goes *PING*.
      # ping

      Or perhaps some mice.

      Daniel.

    5. Re:It's for rent! by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      Calculating...
      42

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  5. http://www.holymac.com/ by thecarson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    http://www.holymac.com/

  6. Pre-compiler by thecarson · · Score: 1

    Check out the vampir pre-processor. Notice how it runs parallel in-sync with the nearest node? I've been waiting forever for someone to try that. I can't believe they figured that out.

  7. Cybernuclear War by noelbush · · Score: 1

    I like the idea that this computer is necessary in order to "simulate how the nation's aging nuclear weapons arsenal would function if launched". Perhaps this means we could just fight the whole nuclear war inside a few of these machines.

    1. Re:Cybernuclear War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would we just report quietly to the termination chambers when the computers calculate our time is up?

    2. Re:Cybernuclear War by BiggestPOS · · Score: 1

      Moderated +1, Star Trek.

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  8. Heres an update... by dankjones · · Score: 1
    She got really drunk at the party and was last seen leaving with a VIC20

    That VIC's a sly little devil.

  9. ASCI(I) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't sound too featurefull.

    1. Re:ASCI(I) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's less complex than its sister machine, EBCDI.

  10. GNU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Apparently it runs "many GNU tools" like gcc and emacs.


    I guess we have to call it "GNU/ASCI".

  11. Can you imagine? by MasterOfDisaster · · Score: 1

    can you imagine a beowu...hell, can you imagine ONE of these things?
    this is one hell of alot of power

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  12. asci White by hardburlyboogerman · · Score: 1

    Install that into a 87 black Trans-am!

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  13. Syadm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the hell is the story submitter so excited about the picture of the sysadmin?

  14. sigh by jon_c · · Score: 2, Flamebait
    from the home page...

    The DOE's Accelerated Strategic Computing Initiative (ASCI) is building simulation capabilities to predict performance, safety, and manufacturability of U.S. nuclear weapons systems. The program has several mandates, among them:

    Determine nuclear weapons' behavior upon deployment using high-resolution, three-dimensional calculations and high-fidelity physical models.

    Monitor possible accident scenarios and changes to stockpiled weapons caused by the aging process and variations in the manufacturing of replacement parts.

    Extend the lifetime of existing nuclear weapons systems into the indefinite future.

    Reduce the overall uncertainty associated with the costs and risks of weapons testing.


    Don't htey have anything better to do with all that power?

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    1. Re:sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't htey have anything better to do with all that power?

      Do you realize what you're asking here?

      Some geeks created the most powerful computer in the world and are using it to simulate blowing things up.

      What could possibly be better than that?

    2. Re:sigh by quintessent · · Score: 2

      Yeah, like get Quake 3 running on this baby. You'll be the talk of the LAN party.

    3. Re:sigh by BlowCat · · Score: 1
      Don't they have anything better to do with all that power?
      Maybe they will give the next ASCI White to CmdrTaco to run SlashDot on.
    4. Re:sigh by thePfhitz · · Score: 1

      look on the bright side, at least they're not using it to spam people! ;)

    5. Re:sigh by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 1
      Don't htey have anything better to do with all that power?

      I think using it to run a spell/grammar checker on all slashdot articles and comments prior to posting would be a laudable goal.

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  15. I am the king of the world! by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    Isn't this "most powerfull" computer thing getting a bit out of hand? When we start questioning 1 billion FPUs vs. 4 trillion IPUs, where do we point at the leader?

    Bryan

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    1. Re:I am the king of the world! by windi · · Score: 1

      Easy
      The second most powerful computer will get us the answer to the question of life, the universa, and everything, which we all know is 42, while the most powerful computer will get us the question itself, so we will know how the 42 got to be the answer.

  16. It had to be said... by kypper · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Imagine a beowolf cluster of these.

    Baah... I've had my fun.

  17. Re:sigh...The REAL secret of ASCI White, DONT TELL by darkPHi3er · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Don't they have anything better to do with all that power?"

    Yeah! Brother, i know what you mean...what an astonishing waste of computer productivity!

    can you imagine ***ANYONE*** take cutting-edge start of the art h+s/w and using it to create and develop a wide variety of different and imagined scenarios where a large assortment of weapons of differing powers of destructiveness are used on imaginary foes, hour after hour after...., day after day after...????

    and futher imagine that simlarly creative people on the background had to create the deployment scenarios (call them the maps or levels?) and use their powers of imagination to create fantatically unlikely foes and enemies that could never exist in the real world. Yeah Verily, a horrible waste of precious talent and ability

    BUT, i understand that they're just biding their time with that awful "nuclear contingency" stuff at LLNL, until the Q3Team(EntireUniverse) port to ASCI White is finished and then they'll productively game all day instead....

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  18. Imagine RC5 on this thing... by Agent+Green · · Score: 1

    How many Gkeys do you think this thing could go through in about an hour or so??

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  19. Hmmm by Mathness · · Score: 1

    They should have called it WarGames.

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    1. Re:Hmmm by AgTiger · · Score: 1

      Just for fun I started rotating the letters in ASCI backwards... How much relation to "WOPR" (War Operations Planned Response) was there?

      50% match, 2 first letters:

      ASCI
      ZRBH
      YQAG
      XPZF
      WOYE

      Not nearly as funny as rotating IBM backwards to get HAL was, but...

  20. Re:The real reason for the new, higher comment IDs by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: 0

    yeah you can't post goatman ascii anymore either

  21. Distributed Computing by ffattizzi · · Score: 3, Funny

    I sure hope they don't waste all those extra CPU cycles. Someone throw a RC5/SETI client on there.

    Probably should get permission first though...

    1. Re:Distributed Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Believe me, on systems like this, CPU cycles don't get wasted. Jobs are constantly queued up for any spare processor time. Just the cost of the power that White draws is too great to justify leaving it idle for any period of time.

  22. theory VS fact by martissimo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    sure this is one hell of a rig, and you can plug in all the theoretical numbers you like to predict what would happen if these theoretical numbers are *accurate*

    But the reason they actually tested nukes is because they needed to find out if the theoretical numbers are coorect in the first place right?

    I mean if they allready knew what percentage of errors would occur and why they occured they wouldnt need to test in the first place, unless im missing something really big this will be the worlds most advanced *garbage in - garbage out* dependent system. but hey its still one hell of a cool toy!

    1. Re:theory VS fact by hgc · · Score: 1
      But the reason they actually tested nukes is because they needed to find out if the theoretical numbers are coorect in the first place right?

      ~60 years ago there was indeed a need to test in order to verify the that the physical constants used were known correctly and that the mathematical models used for the weapons designs predicted things as anticipated. They got that stuff figured out and verified quite some time ago.

      Consider that all thermonuclear weapons contain fissionable material that is constantly undergoing radioactive decay. How long can it sit in a bunker and still be relied on to function as designed?

      I for one am very glad that they can use machines such as this to explore possibilities without having to go out and actually detonate one of the damn things.

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    2. Re:theory VS fact by leucadiadude · · Score: 1

      Someone mod this up please. It's extemely accurate and insightful.

    3. Re:theory VS fact by Listen+Up · · Score: 1


      I am completely bewildered at your lack of understanding of the world. Nothing in the world is certain to happen all of the time...Physical laws are in place that take into account the fact that all variables of a problem are under control except for the ones being tested. The truth is that things in the universe only occur multiple times the same because they have the hightest probability of occuring the same way twice. Nothing can be 100% relied upon (although the chances in the non-quantum world are infinitesimal small and can usually be put to rest at 0. That is not the case with this computer's use since it is predicting things all the way to the quantum level.)

      So, what you are saying is that...Let's say GM designs a NEW Braking system for their cars. If they followed your line of thinking, then all they would have to do is just plug some simple and already known numbers into Newton's Laws of Motion...and *presto*...No need for running tests or simulations. Right? What do you think would have been the case if Firestone had the chance to run "super-computer class" calculations and predictions on their tires before putting them on Ford Explorers? About 1000 or more people who wouldn't be buried 6 feet under ground while their loved ones hurt forever over their death.

      The point is that nothing in the world can be 100% predicted for the future. You could blow up 10,000 Hydrogen Bombs, fill sheets full of data, and still not be 100% sure that the 10,001 time the bomb would do something completely different. You cannot predict the future after a short period of time...simple Probability. What ASCI White is for is to help gain as much knowledge about what could happen to all of these munitions over time or during war. If everything in the world were linear and predictable...Well, you and I would still be swinging in trees as apes or swimming in the ocean as fish.
      Please don't think with ignorance or pretending that everything that can be known is known...because the one time you time you need to slam on your brakes to avoid an accident, you better hope that someone did a whole shitload of simulations on that braking system to make sure it saves your live. Preferably not by putting cars with untested brakes into traffic :-)

  23. Re:sigh...The REAL secret of ASCI White, DONT TELL by roguerez · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    This deserves to be modded up as Funny!

  24. Sweet ride... by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Informative



    The last place I worked, IBM Storage Systems Division here in Tucson, had a bunch of these class of machines.. The test cell where I worked (for most of the time) was a roughly square area lined with 13 RAID arrays usually loaded top to bottom with 15K 72GB drives down one side, 3 IBM SP/1s (The same boxes that handed Kasparov his ass a year or two ago..) about 10 RS/6000's of varying horsepower, and a couple desks. One of the racks had exclusively nothing but 16-port Brocades in them, and what seemed like a mile of fibrechannel cable spewing out of it. I remember one slow day in particular, a friend of mine at work sat there, looked around, and tried to figure out how much money the company had stuffed in our little 9 by 14-square test cell in order for us to conduct our testing on the arrays... At $86,000 a piece, the Brocade rack was the priciest piece of real-estate in the lab, weighing in at $1.12 million dollars, or about $300,000 per square foot of floor space. Just within eyesight, we were encased within close to $20 million dollars worth of hardware, not including cables and the small stuff.

    The Whopper may be King in the Land of Burgers, but IBM is God when it comes big iron. ;)

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    1. Re:Sweet ride... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      16 port Brocades are $86K? I don't think so. Last time I checked (about 2 years ago) they were about $35-40K

  25. I really like this part by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    I really like this part:

    ASCI White is roughly as powerful as 50,000 desktop computers. It can store the equivalent of 300 million books, or six Libraries of Congress.
    :*)

    1. Re:I really like this part by skybird0 · · Score: 1

      I once computed that one could compress the all the text contained in the Library of Congress into a box of CD-Roms that could fit in the trunk of a Miata. With current technology, it could fit into a medium-sized sample case.

  26. Running Linux someday by hey · · Score: 1

    I see ASCI White runs AIX and IBM said gladly replace AIX with Linux someday so we could see the fastest computers running Linux not too soon.

  27. seti@ibm by pocket+heston · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:seti@ibm by ssyladin · · Score: 1

      Yeah - they've been running it for around a year, off and on. Do you know of any better way to test a massively parallel clustered supercomputer in a useful way? Play BattleChess 3000? Gosh I love it when the rooks eat the queens

  28. ASCII's debut? by Kevin+DeGraaf · · Score: 1

    ASCI's Debutante Debut

    I first read that as "ASCII's Debut"... sorry, Slashdot, you're about 30 years late reporting that one!

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  29. Theories, Question/Answer by AgTiger · · Score: 1

    There is a theory that there are two parallel universes. One universe knows the ultimate question to life, the universe, and everything, but does not know the answer. The other universe knows the answer to the ultimate question to life, the universe, and everything, but does not know the question.

    Should the question and the answer ever be present in the same universe at the same time, both universes would instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more inexplicable.

    There is another theory that states that this has already happened.

    [ A better eulogy to Douglas Adams, I can not think of. ]

  30. ReChess no, stuff that's actually interesting, yes by deglr6328 · · Score: 2


    "So do we get to see this computer beat another chess champion?"

    no you get to see it do something useful. go to "MPEG Movies"

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  31. Re:sigh...The REAL secret of ASCI White, DONT TELL by roguerez · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Thank you! ;)

  32. If you like this story check out the wallpaper by pben · · Score: 1

    www.themes.org has a cool walpaper of ASCII White but they are down again so I can't get the URL right now.

  33. Memory by Myopic · · Score: 1

    Anyone else notice that that machine has, total, about 10 terabytes of memory? Damn. They must have gotten one hell of a deal from tiger.com.

  34. Nukes are just a front by ssyladin · · Score: 2, Informative
    A lot of people compilain about wasting all the cycles this monster can do on researching nukes. First, this thing would take a month to calculate the first tenth of a second - having to compute every quark, lepton, and electon in a nuclear bomb. At that level we already know (almost) any physics there is, so it becomes a huge billiard-ball problem.

    Second - these machines only work on simulated nuclear testing for a short while (a few years). Then they go up for other "Grand Challange" problems, like immense weather calculation machines (who wouldn't want to know the exact minute it starts raining in your neighborhood?), particle calculations for the solar system or the galaxy, etc. We're up in arms about ASCI White, but what about ASCI Red, Blue, Mountain?

    Furthermore, the research involved to build something like this benifits us down the line. Super-advanced routers, ultra-fast fail-safe network storage, improved networked processor topologies, distributed algorithms.

  35. The most important fact: by Futurepower(tm) · · Score: 1, Flamebait



    The most important fact about this computer is that it is used to study how best to kill people and destroy their property.

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    1. Re:The most important fact: by leucadiadude · · Score: 1

      Why does a post like this get modded up?

      Sometimes I just do not understand the thought process of moderators. This post is utterly misguided, naive, and uninformed. Sigh.

      I'm sure I'll get modded down as a troll now, how droll.

    2. Re:The most important fact: by leucadiadude · · Score: 1

      Did you ever bother to think that my post was before the flamebait moderation?

      Just because you do not seem to use your brain for more than profanity, do not assume no else does either.

      Idiot.

  36. Not the fastest by some measures by Party+Remover · · Score: 1

    Some folks in this thread have already mentioned SETI@Home, but I thought I'd point out that the collective (albeit highly specialized) processing power of the current SETI@Home array is twice that of ASCI White.

    1. Re:Not the fastest by some measures by J'raxis · · Score: 2

      Three million users. Id rather have an ASCI than 1 ½ million desktop boxes. :)

  37. Kerenl Compiles by tiny69 · · Score: 1

    So how long would a kernel compile take? Half a second? Less?

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  38. Please excuse the fact that the response... by kypper · · Score: 2
    doesn't show up on this new slashdot.


    God... I post on the new one and I lose karma. :op


    Excellent.

  39. Re:ROTFLMAO by hey · · Score: 1

    Soon Linux will get around it's clustering shortcommings - it's all part of the World Dominiation tm plan!

  40. Buggity Bug by J'raxis · · Score: 2

    The title page and story header say ASCI. The link above the comments and the <TITLE> on the Post Comment page say ASCII (youre a few decades late to be reporting ASCIIs debut, mind you). Someones corrections arent proliferating correctly.

  41. Finally by pukeAndCry · · Score: 1

    Finally a computer that meets the minimum requriements for Windows XP.

  42. In 40 years ... by gatiengillon · · Score: 1

    he funny bit is that, we'll probably get the same power on our PC in about 30 or 40 years ... Now close your eyes and imagine what you could do with this little baby at home ... PLAY GAMES ;o)

  43. I just hacked ASCI White! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Login/Password is Joshua

  44. Windows XP minimum requirements by vbprgrmr · · Score: 1

    LOL! Excellent. They ought to give an award for the funniest post of the day. Yours would win hands down. Because it was funny with a lot of truth.

  45. Beyond 2000 article on ASCII White by connor_macleod · · Score: 1

    I should check my own site more often - and so should everyone here :)

    http://beyond2000.com/news/Aug_01/story_1255.html

    1. Re:Beyond 2000 article on ASCII White by lunaslide · · Score: 1

      If you did, you'd realize the article is blatantly incorrect:

      "In designing ASCI White and its predecessors, IBM technicians had to create a network of over 48 Silicon Graphics Origin 2000 shared memory multi-processor computers which they sold to the Department of Energy for $A110 million."

      Undoubtedly, those are RS/6000s.

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  46. This is a test by krow · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    This is just me testing comments.

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  47. Re:ReChess no, stuff that's actually interesting, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Such an expensive lava lamp.

  48. Re:sigh...The REAL secret of ASCI White, DONT TELL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, I know you were being funny, but it's worth noting that ASCI White isn't being used for warfare simulation - it's primarily used for physics codes to understand how nucular weapons work, particularly as they age.

    AC because my employeer doesn't like me talking about our machines without their approval first.