This may not be applicable, but... in current cases re DMCA in the courts there is a situation where it is possible that computer code is not being seen as 'speech' as in 'free speech'.
I believe that art falls into the 'free speech' category. So, does AARON answer these judges questions?
I seem to remember that he was a bit of a 'closed source' kinda guy. He basically (iirc) sat on a lot of his discoveries and did not share them. This is why he is listed as the co-discover of Calculus, because it was unpublished for so long.
Mind you, I could have this mixed up or just plain wrong... anyone care to back me up, or refute this ??
My idea is that this will eventually mirror the sort of thing that happened to SGI. They had great, but v expensive boxes and software that did amazing stuff. Then along came commodity boxes (macs included, more or less), that could do most of what SGI could, at a much much lower price point. This included both workstations and 'super computers' for rendering.
Part of this was good cheap software that did most of what the expensive Alias or Softimage could do. SGI suffered and are continuing to suffer because of this.
I think we are seeing the same thing here. Free/Open software does most of what Microsoft software will do. I see microsoft as the 'high end' of all this. Generally their office software is better, and their operating systems is probably easier to use. The integration of components is better. But it is becoming a bad value proposition.
It is expensive, and the free stuff is pretty bloody good. Certainly good enough for many many applications.
Now, Microsoft has going in its favour its lockin, but even that is being eroded by things like Wine and the ubiquity of the Office 97 file formats. They are becoming the new standard file types, and many programs will read and write them.
Goodbye Microsoft, it was good while it lasted. They are going to have to re-invent themselves like IBM did, and SGI are trying to do..NET is probably a good effort in this... I wish them luck.
Heh... problem with hacking too, you could lure them down with food or whatever (or just catch them whilst asleep during long distance IP) read the message and let them go - or even change said message - and nobody would know.
It's just TCP/IP transport layer. You can add whatever encryption and authentication protocols on top as you like.
There is no theoretical difference between this transport and any other (ethernet anyone?)... to the application it is all the same... albeit perhaps a little slower...
Errr... it aint that hard either. I installed Mandrake 7.2 from a CD I bought in a newsagent. I selected 'Everything' from the graphical menu, it detected everything, and booted me into KDE.
I arc'd up Konqeror, went to the mozilla.org website, and downloaded the installer, double clicked on it, it went out and got the rest of mozilla, and I was away.
What the hell does crappy video drivers have to do with the OS stability?
Errrr... the fact that they *CAN* crash the operating system.
Now, while this may be acceptable behaviour in a high performance workstation (maybe...), it is completely unacceptable in a mission critical server.
IIRC, this started in NT4, prior to that (ie 3.51) it was not possible. It is certainly not possible in many other well designed mission critical OS's.
Basically, the driver should not be in kernel space where it can cause that damage.
Otherwise, you are what we call in the trade a SKOF (Special Kind Of Fuckwit).
Incidentaly I don't think that the GPL vs other open models is a big issue. Richard Stallman put a lot of his personal politics into the GPL, it is not possible to use GPL code in a commercial project. Apache and Linux are far more 'open' in my view, they are certainly less restrictive.
Ummm... lemme see here... errr... Linux - the unix-like kernel released by Linus Torvalds and released under... the GPL !!
Man, I liken all of this to the RSA in Perl T-shirt that I wear occasionally. It made a mockery of the arguement that encryption was 'munitions' and not available for export.
Go Pig Latin!
It is making a mockery of this whole shennanigans. They will lose. We all know it. Victory is ours, it will just take some time, and the MPAA and the RIAA and all the other fwits will almost certainly try stupider and stupider schemes to enforce the un-enforcable.
So, in the mean time, everyone do your bit... help make them look like the fools they are.
It's not the courts place to decide whether or not freeloading is ethical (it almost never is).
What you call 'freeloading' was standard practice for thousands of years. People heard music, copied it, played it to others... etc.
As for who the real 'freeloaders' are in this case, I think it is the people who wish to take the fruits of thousands of years of civilisation, and then claim that they now 'own' them. This is bogus. And will be increasingly seen to be so. The concept of 'intellectual property' is the freeloading, and is doomed.
Except of course those who spent time to write the music, bought instruments on which to play it on, payed to have it recorded, payed to have it mixed, and payed to have it mastered. How are they benefiting from this free flow of information?
.NET, PDA's, PS2, X-Box, Gnome, Eazel... you name it...
The legal system appears too slow (and seemingly too fucking stupid) to cope with the internet.
My guess is that micros~1 will look completely different in 5 years time, and not because of any anti-trust case. Either their recent stupidities will backfire with consumers, and/or they morph into something new and different.
Secondly, assuming you have lots of servers in an enclosed area, heat is a big deal; you want good air condition system. A room full of Athlons is HOT. This further offset the "true" cost of using Athlon servers
I wouldn't agree. The only signs I've seen of Athlons generating lots of heat is when they're overclocked. A friend of mine runs his Thunderbird 850 at 950Mhz at 20 celsius (about 50F), with a decent cooling system.
Any company that is buying machines for use as servers is going to spend the extra $30 per machine to get a good cooling system, regardless of processor type. Those boxes come with 3 fan ports, a heat sink the size of a brick... usually a room with lots of servers in it is bloody cold because of all the airflow!
Right, what you do to the *processor* does not matter 2 pinches of goat shit to the *server room*. In fact, it can theoretically make the situation worse... bigger processor cooling system itself produces more heat for the real cooling system (the one that services the server room as a whole).
As for the stupid comment about airflow, this is meaningless. What matters is the rate of heat exchange out of the server room. What the airflow is in the absence of an efficient heat exchanger is a matter that rapidly becomes moot.
I hope you're not under the delusion that any of those sample XML documents are more than trivial to generate in other languages.
OK big guy, enlighten me.
Show me what you can do? Perhaps in JSP? Something like this?
You seem capable of constantly missing the point. You seem reasonably intelligent, see if you can understand what is going on here. This is pretty much totally unlike anything that has gone before, and your cheap shots do you no credit.
Anyway, thanx for the heads up for Netscape, I will get around to fixing the HTML at some stage soonish.
Unfortunately, right now, Netscape ain't a top priority, and it pains me, but thats the way it is for the next few months. You and I both know that it is the inferior browser, and has little penetration in the corporate market where IE and Outlook rule.
Priorities for us are finishing the implementation and getting it used in the real world. Our intention is to GPL the code once we port the implementation to C. The parser is pretty radical so this is going to be a fun task.
If you bothered to try learn what is going on, then you may understand why the demo's are impressive. Right now, you can't see the wood for the trees.
It is an XML dialect (well, would be if we bothered with a DTD), it does conform to XML standards, and it is demonstrably useful.
Nor does Netscape for that matter, and they have a lot more money and resources than we.
Anyway, dude, it *does* work.
Relax, open your mind and have some fun... there is a lot going on here.
Do you realize that you're re-inventing JSP with taglibs
Do you realise that nearly all computer languages in to languages is based on Chomsky's context free grammars. Language P is not. It is probably the worlds first syllabically based, context sensitive grammar. As such, there are things that it can do quite exquisitely simply that are practically impossible in other languages, or quite clumsy.
As for Netscapes cretinisms, I will see what I can do about cleaning up the code. Linux port is planned to start in about 6 months, but as they do not support VML yet, we are not concentrating on it as a client at this stage.
Anyone interested in starting a VML project for Netscape?
Do you know anything about XML or do you just like acronyms that start with "X"? They are cool, aren't they...
So, already, we have the case that anyone who isn't laboring under the deficits inflicted by a head injury has figured out that you really don't want to force any kind of programming language to look like a valid XML document.
Well, maybe, and then maybe not.
Perhaps we are completely crazy... but check out Language P an XML compliant server side scripting language.
Man, I so seriously hope that you are right. This bullshite stinks, and I think you are correct, we have to boycott the 'MPAA Hard-drives'.
But... my point was... like you know, you buy computer with a well, basically, MPAA DVD drive. It refuses to work without a 'MPAA Hard-drive', so none of the HD manufactures make 'non compatible' drives, and we are screwed.
It is a plausible scenario, and must be fought somehow.
Hopefully, one day this era's fascination with attempting to own information (basically, long numbers) will be looked back on with derision, scorn and probably mirth.
Slashdot Mirror
http://www.paradigm.nu/icann/icannstage.html
I believe that art falls into the 'free speech' category. So, does AARON answer these judges questions?
I seem to remember that he was a bit of a 'closed source' kinda guy. He basically (iirc) sat on a lot of his discoveries and did not share them. This is why he is listed as the co-discover of Calculus, because it was unpublished for so long.
Mind you, I could have this mixed up or just plain wrong ... anyone care to back me up, or refute this ??
My idea is that this will eventually mirror the sort of thing that happened to SGI. They had great, but v expensive boxes and software that did amazing stuff. Then along came commodity boxes (macs included, more or less), that could do most of what SGI could, at a much much lower price point. This included both workstations and 'super computers' for rendering.
Part of this was good cheap software that did most of what the expensive Alias or Softimage could do. SGI suffered and are continuing to suffer because of this.
I think we are seeing the same thing here. Free/Open software does most of what Microsoft software will do. I see microsoft as the 'high end' of all this. Generally their office software is better, and their operating systems is probably easier to use. The integration of components is better. But it is becoming a bad value proposition.
It is expensive, and the free stuff is pretty bloody good. Certainly good enough for many many applications.
Now, Microsoft has going in its favour its lockin, but even that is being eroded by things like Wine and the ubiquity of the Office 97 file formats. They are becoming the new standard file types, and many programs will read and write them.
Goodbye Microsoft, it was good while it lasted. They are going to have to re-invent themselves like IBM did, and SGI are trying to do. .NET is probably a good effort in this ... I wish them luck.
It's just TCP/IP transport layer. You can add whatever encryption and authentication protocols on top as you like.
There is no theoretical difference between this transport and any other (ethernet anyone?) ... to the application it is all the same ... albeit perhaps a little slower ...
http://www.paradigm.nu/icann/icannstage.html
And a Reg story here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18530.html
I arc'd up Konqeror, went to the mozilla.org website, and downloaded the installer, double clicked on it, it went out and got the rest of mozilla, and I was away.
I was impressed. It was easy peasy
Whilst not any sort of expert, I think there is a biggish difference ...
Errrr ... the fact that they *CAN* crash the operating system.
Now, while this may be acceptable behaviour in a high performance workstation (maybe ...), it is completely unacceptable in a mission critical server.
IIRC, this started in NT4, prior to that (ie 3.51) it was not possible. It is certainly not possible in many other well designed mission critical OS's.
Basically, the driver should not be in kernel space where it can cause that damage.
Great link, thanx. I read about Cyc and Lenat in the book 'Out of Their Minds', a whole chapter devoted to it/him.
Otherwise, you are what we call in the trade a SKOF (Special Kind Of Fuckwit).
Incidentaly I don't think that the GPL vs other open models is a big issue. Richard Stallman put a lot of his personal politics into the GPL, it is not possible to use GPL code in a commercial project. Apache and Linux are far more 'open' in my view, they are certainly less restrictive.
Ummm ... lemme see here ... errr ... Linux - the unix-like kernel released by Linus Torvalds and released under ... the GPL !!
This is a little harsh ...
and brilliantly highlighted a little-considered problem with PKI.
Actually, its getting a fair bit of press, what with Bruce and Jane K. Winn and others making a few salient points about it.
Care to take this offline? I would welcome some discussion on this.
You need at least one cert in the browser
correct
Go Pig Latin!
It is making a mockery of this whole shennanigans. They will lose. We all know it. Victory is ours, it will just take some time, and the MPAA and the RIAA and all the other fwits will almost certainly try stupider and stupider schemes to enforce the un-enforcable.
So, in the mean time, everyone do your bit ... help make them look like the fools they are.
Holy Shit! The Emperor Has No Clothes!
No, you are wrong. The correct name of the Kernel is "Linux". It was named "Linux" by Linus Torvalds.
The correct name of the OPERATING SYSTEM that includes the Linux kernel, the GNU compiler and the GNU utilities and shells is GNU/Linux.
Some make the point that it should perhaps be called GNU/X/Linux for those of you who use X. It is an interesting point.
What you call 'freeloading' was standard practice for thousands of years. People heard music, copied it, played it to others ... etc.
As for who the real 'freeloaders' are in this case, I think it is the people who wish to take the fruits of thousands of years of civilisation, and then claim that they now 'own' them. This is bogus. And will be increasingly seen to be so. The concept of 'intellectual property' is the freeloading, and is doomed.
One side thinks its fine for such a thing as 'intellectual property' to exist, and are prepared to do anything to protect it.
The other side sees the absurdities and horrifying implications of this view and wishes to repudiate it.
A courtroom is not really the place to decide these issues, and, in the end, probably wont be the place they are decided.
Ever hear of radio, dood?
What it means it that nothing will stay the same.
The legal system appears too slow (and seemingly too fucking stupid) to cope with the internet.
My guess is that micros~1 will look completely different in 5 years time, and not because of any anti-trust case. Either their recent stupidities will backfire with consumers, and/or they morph into something new and different.
Time will tell.
I wouldn't agree. The only signs I've seen of Athlons generating lots of heat is when they're overclocked. A friend of mine runs his Thunderbird 850 at 950Mhz at 20 celsius (about 50F), with a decent cooling system.
Any company that is buying machines for use as servers is going to spend the extra $30 per machine to get a good cooling system, regardless of processor type. Those boxes come with 3 fan ports, a heat sink the size of a brick... usually a room with lots of servers in it is bloody cold because of all the airflow!
Right, what you do to the *processor* does not matter 2 pinches of goat shit to the *server room*. In fact, it can theoretically make the situation worse ... bigger processor cooling system itself produces more heat for the real cooling system (the one that services the server room as a whole).
As for the stupid comment about airflow, this is meaningless. What matters is the rate of heat exchange out of the server room. What the airflow is in the absence of an efficient heat exchanger is a matter that rapidly becomes moot.
OK big guy, enlighten me.
Show me what you can do? Perhaps in JSP? Something like this?
You seem capable of constantly missing the point. You seem reasonably intelligent, see if you can understand what is going on here. This is pretty much totally unlike anything that has gone before, and your cheap shots do you no credit.
Anyway, thanx for the heads up for Netscape, I will get around to fixing the HTML at some stage soonish.
Unfortunately, right now, Netscape ain't a top priority, and it pains me, but thats the way it is for the next few months. You and I both know that it is the inferior browser, and has little penetration in the corporate market where IE and Outlook rule.
Priorities for us are finishing the implementation and getting it used in the real world. Our intention is to GPL the code once we port the implementation to C. The parser is pretty radical so this is going to be a fun task.
If you bothered to try learn what is going on, then you may understand why the demo's are impressive. Right now, you can't see the wood for the trees.
It is an XML dialect (well, would be if we bothered with a DTD), it does conform to XML standards, and it is demonstrably useful.
There is more, if you care to continue, mail me.
Nor does Netscape for that matter, and they have a lot more money and resources than we.
Anyway, dude, it *does* work.
Relax, open your mind and have some fun ... there is a lot going on here.
Do you realize that you're re-inventing JSP with taglibs
Do you realise that nearly all computer languages in to languages is based on Chomsky's context free grammars. Language P is not. It is probably the worlds first syllabically based, context sensitive grammar. As such, there are things that it can do quite exquisitely simply that are practically impossible in other languages, or quite clumsy.
Online parser is here.
As for Netscapes cretinisms, I will see what I can do about cleaning up the code. Linux port is planned to start in about 6 months, but as they do not support VML yet, we are not concentrating on it as a client at this stage.
Anyone interested in starting a VML project for Netscape?
Do you know anything about XML or do you just like acronyms that start with "X"? They are cool, aren't they...
Well, we know a *little* bit about XML.
Here is a bit of fun, as is here and here.
My version of netscape attempts to save to disk a .prx file, but ie will dump out an XML document if you click the links.
Well, maybe, and then maybe not.
Perhaps we are completely crazy ... but check out Language P an XML compliant server side scripting language.
But ... my point was ... like you know, you buy computer with a well, basically, MPAA DVD drive. It refuses to work without a 'MPAA Hard-drive', so none of the HD manufactures make 'non compatible' drives, and we are screwed.
It is a plausible scenario, and must be fought somehow.
Hopefully, one day this era's fascination with attempting to own information (basically, long numbers) will be looked back on with derision, scorn and probably mirth.