Sorry if I misunderstand something here but doesn't that indicate a memory/resource leak somewhere? Its still a bug even if it doesn't bring the system to it's knees for days.
Actually, it's a stress test. This is generally an automated tst where we would run scripts to open and close various applications and whatnot for days. One script I ran when I was contracting at MS was something that opened up every single image in a certain directory (100+ jpgs) and at the same time, the machine would be also opening up several dozen excel spreadsheets, doing calculations on them, and exporting them to word files.
The system would be pegged at 100% CPU usage and the memory usage would max out as well, hence it was unusable from an ordinary standpoint. The scripts generally can be set to autoterminate after a certain amount of hours. Over the weekends I'd sed them to terminate after 72 hours and would arrive back on mondays to check out what ran and what didn't. For the systems that crashed, I'd have to send out reports to the various developers regarding how it crashed, what module actually crashed, and when it crashed.
A competant admin would have informed the user beforehand whereon the server they are to place their files. If the user didn't follow instructions in the first place then it's their loss.
let's see here, it's not your network, it's the company's. Any sensible netadmin should do the same. Most won't have any problems with people running linux IF THEY ASK. However, an UNAUTHORIZED linux box is a potential security threat.
This guy actually seems like a competant sysadmin. Hope he's getting paid decently.
Regardless of the reasoning of the judge, the wording was clear. MS was ALLOWED and NOT required to keep distributing their JVM for up to 5 years. That's the crux of the matter.
If the judge had thought a bit more, he would have required MS to stop distribution of their polluted JVM and made them point to where you could download sun's version automatically. But they didn't.
MS was being tricky, but this lawsuit is still ridiculous no matter how you look at it!
Come on! Surely you see the absurdity of it all? Sun sues MS for distributing polluted JVM and wins. MS stops distributing their JVM. Sun sues them for not distributing their JVM!
HELLO SUN! You sued MS to stop distributing it in the first place! Oy...
I've read the settlement quite thoroughly thank you. Have you raed them all? Including the inital one where Sun sued MS for distributing the customized JVM? Sun was 100% in the right on that one. And they deserved that win. Part of THAT settlement allowed MS to distribute their JVM for up to 5 years so as not to leave end users out in the cold. But they couldn't do any more work on it. Ever.
Microsoft however decided to not distribute it for the full 5 years. Sun cried foul and sensationalized the whole thing with "MS is trying to kill Java!" which wasn't quite the case. MS was simply choosing to not distribute their version for the full 5 years they were allowed. Notice the word "allowed" MS was under no legal obligation whatsoever to distribute their version for the full 5 years.
Granted, MS could have simply made it so that if someone tried to download their old JVM it would automatically send them to Sun's download page, but they were under no legal requirement to do so.
Microsoft was allowed to continue to give out their JVM for up to 5 years as part of the initial settlement. However they couldn't automatically install it during the OS installation, it could be installed later, but not bundled. IE, it was allowed to be distributed via the web.
MS decided to not have it available for the full 5 years. Sun noticed this and promptly sued. Sun is being the assholes here. This suit should NOT have been won by Sun. It is entirely stupid. Sun sued MS for shipping a MS JVM and they (rightfully) won. MS doesn't ship their JVM anymore and Sun sues them. WTF?
You should really learn to use this nifty tool called "The World Wide Web" it has all sorts of great articles. If that fails, there's a thing called a "library" you can find old magazine articles there and books about law!
There's a nice search tool called Google that can help you search the web, in a library you can ask one of the librarians.
It is pretty much a FSCK you when Sun basically got all pissy because MS didn't use the JVM for the full 7 years they were allowed to and then promptly sued first. It's also a FSCK you to MS, Java devs, etc when Sun refuses to open their standards to an industry wide body. I don't see anyone complaining that C++ has been diluted because MS makes VC++. How would having Java be an OPEN standard make it possible for MS to have an "MS Java which would have probably took over the world"? If it's an OPEN standard, then MS can't just make propietrary (sic?) versions and have them take over the world.
Here's a few links re: the initial court case Sun had against MS. They won, and rightfully so. MS had a great idea in making a JVM that actually worked (as compared to the win32 ver SUn made at the time) but they failed to secure proper permissions in doing so and made their JVM use a bunch of win32 specific code. Sun rightfully sued and won. That's a given. MS should have sought permission/licensing with Sun before doing such a thing. Sun (as part of the settlement with MS) allowed them to continue to use their (MS' customized) JVM for 7 years from that date but forbid them from distributing new versions. Once again, not too bad. However, as part of their agreement, MS had to stop shipping that JVM with IE/MS Windows. Now, in August of 2001, MS announces that they won't be includig their JVM as part of Windows XP, mainly due to the fact of the initial victory by Sun in 1997.
Remember, MS is prohibited from including new versions of their JVM and can only offer the old JVM. But they can't bundle it as per the 1997 settlement. So they offer it as a free download, which they are entitled to do so since they had 7 years from 1997 to do so. They weren't obligated to offer it for the full 7 years, but they had the option to. They just can't call it an "official" JAVA client.
Basically, Sun refused MS' attempts to work with them and help define JAVA as an open standard and instead decided to keep it a proprietary standard that they control. Entirely sun's perogative, but since Sun adamantly refused to even discuss ANY attempt at making Java an open standard (not just with MS, but with anyne) MS decided to just not license Java.
Now, of course Sun realized they were screwed, because basically their bluff was called they had one chance, to whine like a little baby. Which they did. And of course, since MS is quite often villianized (and often rightfully so, but not always) people automatically assumed Sun was telling the entire truth, which they weren't. It was a half truth.
Quite frankly, the whole thing is just one big pissing match. If either of them had been willing to actually listen to the opposing sides instead of just ignoring them, this never would have happened.
namely the fact that microsoft did indeed lose the case and then tried to renegotiate with Sun to get a valid version of the JVM, sun said "F$%k you" basically and refused to license it" Then when MS said, "Fine, we'll just take out our version as well." Sun sued to force them to include Java, even though it was Sun's own damned fault that MS wasn't including it in the first place! If Sun had actually been willing to renegotiate after their initial court victory there would have been no case.
So it's having trouble penetrating in Japan, understandable. While Japan is a big market, it's not the sole market.
Another factor to recall is to check how many games are selling per system as well. I've heard that the Xbox is averaging 3.5 games to the Gamecube's 2.8. (I don't have the link off hand but the numbers are my best recollection).
Also, the Xbox's best selling game so far, Halo, has not been released yet in Japan. It's sold well over 1million so far though in the US and I think has set a record as one of the fastest games to hit the 1million sold mark.
Drop the Anti MS crap and instantly you'll get a LOT more support from the computing community. Do you honestly think that all the geeks at MS really like the DMCA and whatnot?
Not sure if it's been suggested already but try the Monkey Island series. There is some animated violence but it's along the slapstick variety and you may be able to get approval. The series is a laugh riot. Well worth the time
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Sorry if I misunderstand something here but doesn't that indicate a memory/resource leak somewhere?
Its still a bug even if it doesn't bring the system to it's knees for days.
Actually, it's a stress test. This is generally an automated tst where we would run scripts to open and close various applications and whatnot for days. One script I ran when I was contracting at MS was something that opened up every single image in a certain directory (100+ jpgs) and at the same time, the machine would be also opening up several dozen excel spreadsheets, doing calculations on them, and exporting them to word files.
The system would be pegged at 100% CPU usage and the memory usage would max out as well, hence it was unusable from an ordinary standpoint. The scripts generally can be set to autoterminate after a certain amount of hours. Over the weekends I'd sed them to terminate after 72 hours and would arrive back on mondays to check out what ran and what didn't. For the systems that crashed, I'd have to send out reports to the various developers regarding how it crashed, what module actually crashed, and when it crashed.
They do, I've worked in it.
A competant admin would have informed the user beforehand whereon the server they are to place their files. If the user didn't follow instructions in the first place then it's their loss.
let's see here, it's not your network, it's the company's. Any sensible netadmin should do the same. Most won't have any problems with people running linux IF THEY ASK. However, an UNAUTHORIZED linux box is a potential security threat.
This guy actually seems like a competant sysadmin. Hope he's getting paid decently.
Regardless of the reasoning of the judge, the wording was clear. MS was ALLOWED and NOT required to keep distributing their JVM for up to 5 years. That's the crux of the matter.
If the judge had thought a bit more, he would have required MS to stop distribution of their polluted JVM and made them point to where you could download sun's version automatically. But they didn't.
MS was being tricky, but this lawsuit is still ridiculous no matter how you look at it!
Come on! Surely you see the absurdity of it all?
Sun sues MS for distributing polluted JVM and wins. MS stops distributing their JVM. Sun sues them for not distributing their JVM!
HELLO SUN! You sued MS to stop distributing it in the first place! Oy...
LOL.
I've read the settlement quite thoroughly thank you. Have you raed them all? Including the inital one where Sun sued MS for distributing the customized JVM? Sun was 100% in the right on that one. And they deserved that win. Part of THAT settlement allowed MS to distribute their JVM for up to 5 years so as not to leave end users out in the cold. But they couldn't do any more work on it. Ever.
Microsoft however decided to not distribute it for the full 5 years. Sun cried foul and sensationalized the whole thing with "MS is trying to kill Java!" which wasn't quite the case. MS was simply choosing to not distribute their version for the full 5 years they were allowed. Notice the word "allowed" MS was under no legal obligation whatsoever to distribute their version for the full 5 years.
Granted, MS could have simply made it so that if someone tried to download their old JVM it would automatically send them to Sun's download page, but they were under no legal requirement to do so.
Microsoft was allowed to continue to give out their JVM for up to 5 years as part of the initial settlement. However they couldn't automatically install it during the OS installation, it could be installed later, but not bundled. IE, it was allowed to be distributed via the web.
MS decided to not have it available for the full 5 years. Sun noticed this and promptly sued. Sun is being the assholes here. This suit should NOT have been won by Sun. It is entirely stupid. Sun sued MS for shipping a MS JVM and they (rightfully) won. MS doesn't ship their JVM anymore and Sun sues them. WTF?
Yeah actually, I posted a few.
You should really learn to use this nifty tool called "The World Wide Web" it has all sorts of great articles. If that fails, there's a thing called a "library" you can find old magazine articles there and books about law!
There's a nice search tool called Google that can help you search the web, in a library you can ask one of the librarians.
It is pretty much a FSCK you when Sun basically got all pissy because MS didn't use the JVM for the full 7 years they were allowed to and then promptly sued first. It's also a FSCK you to MS, Java devs, etc when Sun refuses to open their standards to an industry wide body. I don't see anyone complaining that C++ has been diluted because MS makes VC++. How would having Java be an OPEN standard make it possible for MS to have an "MS Java which would have probably took over the world"? If it's an OPEN standard, then MS can't just make propietrary (sic?) versions and have them take over the world.
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2001/jw-0 124-iw-mssuncourt.html
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Here's a few links re: the initial court case Sun had against MS. They won, and rightfully so. MS had a great idea in making a JVM that actually worked (as compared to the win32 ver SUn made at the time) but they failed to secure proper permissions in doing so and made their JVM use a bunch of win32 specific code. Sun rightfully sued and won. That's a given. MS should have sought permission/licensing with Sun before doing such a thing.
Sun (as part of the settlement with MS) allowed them to continue to use their (MS' customized) JVM for 7 years from that date but forbid them from distributing new versions. Once again, not too bad. However, as part of their agreement, MS had to stop shipping that JVM with IE/MS Windows. Now, in August of 2001, MS announces that they won't be includig their JVM as part of Windows XP, mainly due to the fact of the initial victory by Sun in 1997.
Remember, MS is prohibited from including new versions of their JVM and can only offer the old JVM. But they can't bundle it as per the 1997 settlement. So they offer it as a free download, which they are entitled to do so since they had 7 years from 1997 to do so. They weren't obligated to offer it for the full 7 years, but they had the option to. They just can't call it an "official" JAVA client.
Now, here's a few links regarding licensing.
http://rss.com.com/2100-1001-271758.html
http://www.javaworld.com/channel_content/jw-lic
Basically, Sun refused MS' attempts to work with them and help define JAVA as an open standard and instead decided to keep it a proprietary standard that they control. Entirely sun's perogative, but since Sun adamantly refused to even discuss ANY attempt at making Java an open standard (not just with MS, but with anyne) MS decided to just not license Java.
Now, of course Sun realized they were screwed, because basically their bluff was called they had one chance, to whine like a little baby. Which they did. And of course, since MS is quite often villianized (and often rightfully so, but not always) people automatically assumed Sun was telling the entire truth, which they weren't. It was a half truth.
Quite frankly, the whole thing is just one big pissing match. If either of them had been willing to actually listen to the opposing sides instead of just ignoring them, this never would have happened.
you missed a few steps between 4 and 5.
namely the fact that microsoft did indeed lose the case and then tried to renegotiate with Sun to get a valid version of the JVM, sun said "F$%k you" basically and refused to license it"
Then when MS said, "Fine, we'll just take out our version as well." Sun sued to force them to include Java, even though it was Sun's own damned fault that MS wasn't including it in the first place! If Sun had actually been willing to renegotiate after their initial court victory there would have been no case.
Ahh, at last some numbers.
So it's having trouble penetrating in Japan, understandable. While Japan is a big market, it's not the sole market.
Another factor to recall is to check how many games are selling per system as well. I've heard that the Xbox is averaging 3.5 games to the Gamecube's 2.8. (I don't have the link off hand but the numbers are my best recollection).
Also, the Xbox's best selling game so far, Halo, has not been released yet in Japan. It's sold well over 1million so far though in the US and I think has set a record as one of the fastest games to hit the 1million sold mark.
Actually... it's 3.6 games per Xbox -vs- 2.8 for Gamecube.
Nice numbers. But I can make up numbers like that off the top of my head. Links! We need supporting links!
Exactly.
Drop the Anti MS crap and instantly you'll get a LOT more support from the computing community. Do you honestly think that all the geeks at MS really like the DMCA and whatnot?
Not sure if it's been suggested already but try the Monkey Island series. There is some animated violence but it's along the slapstick variety and you may be able to get approval. The series is a laugh riot. Well worth the time
Uhmm... *checks his winXP/Slackware dualboot system* Odd, works just like dualbooting a Win2k/Winnt system.