I'd say money. I mean, really, news outlets are almost all for-profit, and the ones that aren't still need money to operate. How do they get money? By selling ads. They get more money per ad if they can show that it is viewed by more people, so they run articles with racy headlines (clickbait). It doesn't really matter after that if the article is well researched or not, but it's cheaper to run it without reasonable edits and fact checking so that happens a lot more than we'd like to admit.
But whey keep doing it when the paper is losing money (WaPo) and viewership (NY Times is failing, CNN's viewership is in the toilet)?
The reality is we do not have a state-run media we have a media-run state. A handful of corporations with similar interests own the major media and the politicians, they decide the agenda, then the media propagandizes the public to support things that are clearly not in their best interests, mainly using phoney moralizing and shaming arguments. For instance, unfettered mass immigration of third worlders is in the interests of the elite because cheap labor. There's no way the the depressed wages and general lawlessness that results is in the interests of your average citizen, but you've got a significant portion of the country believing it's immoral to oppose immigration. Crazy, eh? Same thing with anarchists/leftists rioting in the streets because...Wall Street/banker darling Hillary Clinton didn't win the election. How do you get people so mixed up in the head and turned around?
It's not about the ad revenue. They'd run the media propaganda at a loss so long as it kept people convinced opposing the economic interests of the elite is immoral.
Isn't fake news more useful to those already in power? If you have no power, it helps to have truth on your side. But if you have power, what need have you for truth?
WaPo was bought by Bezos to push his own political agendas. And the NY Times is just cheerleaders for the DNC.
There is no objective journalism. Read a variety of sources. Be aware of their biases. Look for language that indicates they're pushing a narrative so you can identify that narrative. Check the source documents and see who's lying about what and why and make up your own mind. But if you're expecting anyone to tell you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth then you're an idiot.
America whose foundation is immigration and the melding of cultures?
The foundation of America is not immigration and the melding of cultures. It was a bunch of white male Anglo-Saxons who gave only themselves political power and didn't even want Germans coming here because they'd ruin the culture. Note, I'm not saying that's what it is now or what it should be now, but your lack of historical perspective is astonishing.
Moron, the wall stops the illegal crossings, which stops future rapes. They're not sent back to the coyotes. The coyotes are only raping during the crossing process.
Trump didn't say the Mexican immigrants are rapists. He said when Mexican "sends its people" those include "rapists." Which is true.
It's something of an ambiguous statement, so you have to decide, which is more likely? That Trump thinks that among the people crossing the border are rapists, or that all Mexican immigrants are rapists? Probably the former. But you can make hay out of the latter!
People aren't rational. They make emotional decisions and then they rationalize them. If you like Trump because he's a funny guy who loves his country and wants to make it great again, then, yeah, obviously he's talking about the subset of people crossing the border who are doing the raping. If you think Trump is Hitler who wants to gas every non straight white male Christian, then of course he's a deranged lunatic who literally believes everyone from Mexico is a rapist. If I have to look at it as objectively as I can, trying to put my own biases aside...I've got to go with "talking about subset of rapists" though, because I have never heard of anyone, anywhere, ever, who literally believes that all members of any given race or nation are rapists. It seems unlikely that Trump is the lone person in the world who believes such a thing. This makes me think those who harp on the "mexicans are rapists" comments are just political hacks slinging unpersuasive rhetoric.
Have you ever read Breitbart? Most of it is content aggregation. The rest is on the scenes reporting. A large part of the difference is what they choose to report on. Point is, if you read HuffPo, you can get an insight into what liberals are thinking and what they care about. However, their descriptions of right wingers are insane. Essentially that the only possible reason to vote for Trump is because you're a seething ball of pure evil wrapped in human flesh. Read Breitbart and you have an idea of what right wingers actually think is important (generally not a devotion to evil). An awful lot of left wingers have never even bothered to listen to the other side and read the facts and see what they are about, and that they're actual people. So when the only thing they hear in their bubble is "Trump voters are the devil," when Trump wins they freak the living shit out.
I live in a racially diverse purple state. So on my street we've got Trump signs and Clinton signs, and we all shit talked each other on the neighborhood FaceBook group, and the election happened and everybody went back to normal. Nobody's freaking out here. My friends in blue state cities who've never seen a real life Trump supporter think the blitzkrieg is imminent. I would say it's "sad" but it's more like collective insanity. I don't know how to fix it, but cracking down on "hate speech" (i.e., silencing the opposition further) won't help. We need to talk more, not less.
No, I generally believe the rapists are coyotes, and most likely Mexican. Ultimately you're just interpreting the quote to be as buttmad about it as you possibly can be. Anyway, I bet you're one of those people who said Trump would never get over 20%, never be the nominee, never win, etc. So I'm not really going to put faith in your predictive power with regards to the wall.
There are tons of people sreaming about that on twitter who have not been banned.
Have any been banned for insulting white people? There's tons of celebrities shitting all over white people on twitter right now. Think any of them will get banned? Doubt it.
Just face facts. You're a biased fuckwit who unironically thinks reality has a liberal bias.
Pro-Trump. Trump never said all Mexicans are rapists. He said we're getting bad people crossing the border, including rapists, which is a true statement. Nothing to do with a genetic propensity of Mexicans to rape.
Also, once he secures the border, yes, the number of women and girls raped during the border crossings will decline. So, I'm kind of disgusted by the leftists who are incensed about Trump's poorly worded statement, but really don't give a shit about the actual women and girls being raped every day.
The problem is we've changed the definition of words so much people can't tell up from down anymore. When I was a kid, "racist" meant someone who judged a person on the color of his skin instead of the content of his character. Today if you do that, judging the content of the character of a man who pulls a gun on a cop or tries to crush his skull in with his bare hands as "worthy of being shot," you're racist if that man is black. Today, if you judge someone by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, you're a racist. It's insane.
But have they explicitly told the rioters to stop rioting? People are getting hurt. Property is being destroyed. I don't think Obama and Hillary care. They love this shit.
So, not all Mexicans, then? Just some of the illegal Mexicans crossing the border? Which makes sense because 80% of central American women and girls are raped during their illegal border crossing. So, somebody's doing the raping. I'm so glad we elected Trump! Once he builds that border wall and we cut down on people crossing illegally, so many women and girls won't be raped! It's wonderful! Can you believe those despicable, evil people who voted for Hillary, the pro-rape candidate? Why do they love rape so much? Clearly that's the only reason they voted for her: to keep rape alive.
We have documented video evidence of leftist rioters smashing cars and windows, setting street fires, blocking freeways, pulling people out of their cars and beating them. The "hate crimes" from Trump supporters are someone's FaceBook post describing a completely ridiculous sounding event. "I'm a transotherkin POC and was minding my business when an evil white man in a red hat knocked my ice cream cone out of my hand and screamed in my face 'go back to ISIS yew Mexican!!!!!'" Totally happened. Or some random spray-painted graffiti where they get the fucking swastika backwards. Yes, I totally believe this was left by Trump supporters. You can tell because Trump supporters are sharing it on social media saying "look what we did guys!!!" Oh wait. It's the leftists sharing that on social media to claim victim status. Huh. I wonder if maybe they did it themselves.
There was that guy yesterday at Ohio State who tackled the anti-Trump speaker at a protest, but in the video he appears to be mentally retarded. We don't know his motivation yet, but some OSU social media accounts are reporting they know him and he's actually a special needs (literally) Hillary supporter who got confused and thought it was a pro-Trump rally. Doesn't stop the media from spreading it with the spin this is violence from a Trump supporter when they don't actually know yet. Wasn't it nice back when we got the whole story before we published?
Are you going to stop it with the apologism and the normalization, and stand against this evil like the rest of us?
How about you stop with all the phoney fear mongering? Everything is scary, frightening, terrifying! No, it's not. The media is spreading this fear, and you're helping them. The rioters are lashing out violently at their own hallucinations and people are getting hurt in the process. Please stop.
But basically go on twitter and start screaming about how awful blacks or Jews are. Ban. Go on twitter and scream about how awful and evil white people are. No problem. Personally I would prefer it if no one chose to yell nasty things about anyone's race. But, it's not about "hate." It's just about your target.
Exactly what is wrong with giving people filters so they can decide who talks to them or not?
I agree with that, of course you should be able to filter things. I think the problem that happened with this election for the left is Dems built their own echo chambers. The mainstream media's a corporate/left echo chamber (6 major companies own all the media, they have similar interests, with only Fox really disagreeing on a few points), it's all based in NY/DC/LA/Atlanta where everyone's an urbanite and has similar attitudes, the opinion of the "man on the street" is literally the first guy who comes walking by outside the studio, and then Dem voters get on FaceBook and Twitter and share these same articles from HuffPo back and forth and block anybody who says "you know, that's not entirely accurate..." because they're a hateful nazi. And of course, never, EVER, look at a right-wing or conservative blog or news site because no matter how well researched and cited the article is, it must be evil lies and conspiracy nonsense. If it were important, Anderson Cooper would let me know! And then election night rolls around and they're SHOCKED when things didn't go as they expected. People on the right weren't. The only states I got wrong on my map were NH and Wisconsin.
And no, people on the right are not in "right wing echo chambers." You can't be in a right-wing echo chamber because the entire culture is left wing, the TV media is left wing, and your friends on facebook are spamming those same HuffPo articles. The right saw the left's side and said "these people are delusional." The left never saw the right's side, and it's scary now, because my FaceBook feed is full of hysterical people who believe Trump is literally Hitler and all their friends and neighbors are secret Nazis because they never heard an opposing viewpoint the entire campaign. Actually now they've moved on to stage of grief 3: bargaining, and they're passing around shit about how faithless electors might save them, or this HuffPo delusion piece about how some loophole could still make Bernie win...? Shit you not, that's the article.
And pretty much no one on my FaceBook feed has come to realization their media's been lying to them. Nope. Trump is Hitler, their neighbors are Nazis, we're all gonna die. They're still swallowing the fear mongering retardation from the MSM, like that Steve Bannon is an anti-Semitic white supremacist. The proof of this is that during a bitter divorce his ex-wife said he didn't want their kids going to a Jewish school with Jewish girls. Never mind that Andrew Breitbart was a Jew, half the staff at Breitbart is Jews, Milo is a Jew, and Breitbart shills hard for Israel and documents all the anti-Semitic hate crimes from the migrant crisis that the European media covers up. Nope, because of something from a vicious divorce settlement that's proof he's whispering in Trump's ear that it's time to fire up the ovens so everyone panic.
It's insane. I don't know what if anything will ever break these people out of their bubble. Maybe once they get past Depression they can be brought to Acceptance with the hopeful thought that "hey, it wasn't your fault, Anderson Cooper was lying to you. Maybe you just need to get your news from multiple different types of sources, and judge them appropriately, because nobody's unbiased or 100% right all the time?" God I hope.
It is the idea to build a wall because they want to keep out groups of people, because they are not the same as they are.
Isn't that kind of the point of walls? I mean, I have walls in my house to keep out hobos, who are not the same as my family. Does your home have walls, or door locks? Why?
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I'd say money. I mean, really, news outlets are almost all for-profit, and the ones that aren't still need money to operate. How do they get money? By selling ads. They get more money per ad if they can show that it is viewed by more people, so they run articles with racy headlines (clickbait). It doesn't really matter after that if the article is well researched or not, but it's cheaper to run it without reasonable edits and fact checking so that happens a lot more than we'd like to admit.
But whey keep doing it when the paper is losing money (WaPo) and viewership (NY Times is failing, CNN's viewership is in the toilet)?
The reality is we do not have a state-run media we have a media-run state. A handful of corporations with similar interests own the major media and the politicians, they decide the agenda, then the media propagandizes the public to support things that are clearly not in their best interests, mainly using phoney moralizing and shaming arguments. For instance, unfettered mass immigration of third worlders is in the interests of the elite because cheap labor. There's no way the the depressed wages and general lawlessness that results is in the interests of your average citizen, but you've got a significant portion of the country believing it's immoral to oppose immigration. Crazy, eh? Same thing with anarchists/leftists rioting in the streets because...Wall Street/banker darling Hillary Clinton didn't win the election. How do you get people so mixed up in the head and turned around?
It's not about the ad revenue. They'd run the media propaganda at a loss so long as it kept people convinced opposing the economic interests of the elite is immoral.
Isn't fake news more useful to those already in power? If you have no power, it helps to have truth on your side. But if you have power, what need have you for truth?
It's gone beyond just confirmation bias, to the point of actively rejecting information that contradicts your established opinion.
Have you ever been guilty of that, AniMoJo?
The only reason to look at CNN is to play "what are they lying about now?"
WaPo was bought by Bezos to push his own political agendas. And the NY Times is just cheerleaders for the DNC.
There is no objective journalism. Read a variety of sources. Be aware of their biases. Look for language that indicates they're pushing a narrative so you can identify that narrative. Check the source documents and see who's lying about what and why and make up your own mind. But if you're expecting anyone to tell you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth then you're an idiot.
Why would you want to kick the butts of a bunch of FBI guys and DNC operatives?
America whose foundation is immigration and the melding of cultures?
The foundation of America is not immigration and the melding of cultures. It was a bunch of white male Anglo-Saxons who gave only themselves political power and didn't even want Germans coming here because they'd ruin the culture. Note, I'm not saying that's what it is now or what it should be now, but your lack of historical perspective is astonishing.
Moron, the wall stops the illegal crossings, which stops future rapes. They're not sent back to the coyotes. The coyotes are only raping during the crossing process.
And yet many Americans of Mexican descent voted for him. Why is that?
Trump didn't say the Mexican immigrants are rapists. He said when Mexican "sends its people" those include "rapists." Which is true.
It's something of an ambiguous statement, so you have to decide, which is more likely? That Trump thinks that among the people crossing the border are rapists, or that all Mexican immigrants are rapists? Probably the former. But you can make hay out of the latter!
People aren't rational. They make emotional decisions and then they rationalize them. If you like Trump because he's a funny guy who loves his country and wants to make it great again, then, yeah, obviously he's talking about the subset of people crossing the border who are doing the raping. If you think Trump is Hitler who wants to gas every non straight white male Christian, then of course he's a deranged lunatic who literally believes everyone from Mexico is a rapist. If I have to look at it as objectively as I can, trying to put my own biases aside...I've got to go with "talking about subset of rapists" though, because I have never heard of anyone, anywhere, ever, who literally believes that all members of any given race or nation are rapists. It seems unlikely that Trump is the lone person in the world who believes such a thing. This makes me think those who harp on the "mexicans are rapists" comments are just political hacks slinging unpersuasive rhetoric.
Have you ever read Breitbart? Most of it is content aggregation. The rest is on the scenes reporting. A large part of the difference is what they choose to report on. Point is, if you read HuffPo, you can get an insight into what liberals are thinking and what they care about. However, their descriptions of right wingers are insane. Essentially that the only possible reason to vote for Trump is because you're a seething ball of pure evil wrapped in human flesh. Read Breitbart and you have an idea of what right wingers actually think is important (generally not a devotion to evil). An awful lot of left wingers have never even bothered to listen to the other side and read the facts and see what they are about, and that they're actual people. So when the only thing they hear in their bubble is "Trump voters are the devil," when Trump wins they freak the living shit out.
I live in a racially diverse purple state. So on my street we've got Trump signs and Clinton signs, and we all shit talked each other on the neighborhood FaceBook group, and the election happened and everybody went back to normal. Nobody's freaking out here. My friends in blue state cities who've never seen a real life Trump supporter think the blitzkrieg is imminent. I would say it's "sad" but it's more like collective insanity. I don't know how to fix it, but cracking down on "hate speech" (i.e., silencing the opposition further) won't help. We need to talk more, not less.
Yes there are the few that would break in and steal anyway but they are in the minority.
Racist.
No, I generally believe the rapists are coyotes, and most likely Mexican. Ultimately you're just interpreting the quote to be as buttmad about it as you possibly can be. Anyway, I bet you're one of those people who said Trump would never get over 20%, never be the nominee, never win, etc. So I'm not really going to put faith in your predictive power with regards to the wall.
Adams was shadowbanned. Someone else already corrected you. Fuckwit.
There are tons of people sreaming about that on twitter who have not been banned.
Have any been banned for insulting white people? There's tons of celebrities shitting all over white people on twitter right now. Think any of them will get banned? Doubt it.
Just face facts. You're a biased fuckwit who unironically thinks reality has a liberal bias.
Pro-Trump. Trump never said all Mexicans are rapists. He said we're getting bad people crossing the border, including rapists, which is a true statement. Nothing to do with a genetic propensity of Mexicans to rape.
Also, once he secures the border, yes, the number of women and girls raped during the border crossings will decline. So, I'm kind of disgusted by the leftists who are incensed about Trump's poorly worded statement, but really don't give a shit about the actual women and girls being raped every day.
The problem is we've changed the definition of words so much people can't tell up from down anymore. When I was a kid, "racist" meant someone who judged a person on the color of his skin instead of the content of his character. Today if you do that, judging the content of the character of a man who pulls a gun on a cop or tries to crush his skull in with his bare hands as "worthy of being shot," you're racist if that man is black. Today, if you judge someone by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, you're a racist. It's insane.
But have they explicitly told the rioters to stop rioting? People are getting hurt. Property is being destroyed. I don't think Obama and Hillary care. They love this shit.
So, not all Mexicans, then? Just some of the illegal Mexicans crossing the border? Which makes sense because 80% of central American women and girls are raped during their illegal border crossing. So, somebody's doing the raping. I'm so glad we elected Trump! Once he builds that border wall and we cut down on people crossing illegally, so many women and girls won't be raped! It's wonderful! Can you believe those despicable, evil people who voted for Hillary, the pro-rape candidate? Why do they love rape so much? Clearly that's the only reason they voted for her: to keep rape alive.
You guys need to double and triple down on that "let's call everything racist" tactic. Worked great for you.
This is no such thing as racial guilt.
We have documented video evidence of leftist rioters smashing cars and windows, setting street fires, blocking freeways, pulling people out of their cars and beating them. The "hate crimes" from Trump supporters are someone's FaceBook post describing a completely ridiculous sounding event. "I'm a transotherkin POC and was minding my business when an evil white man in a red hat knocked my ice cream cone out of my hand and screamed in my face 'go back to ISIS yew Mexican!!!!!'" Totally happened. Or some random spray-painted graffiti where they get the fucking swastika backwards. Yes, I totally believe this was left by Trump supporters. You can tell because Trump supporters are sharing it on social media saying "look what we did guys!!!" Oh wait. It's the leftists sharing that on social media to claim victim status. Huh. I wonder if maybe they did it themselves.
There was that guy yesterday at Ohio State who tackled the anti-Trump speaker at a protest, but in the video he appears to be mentally retarded. We don't know his motivation yet, but some OSU social media accounts are reporting they know him and he's actually a special needs (literally) Hillary supporter who got confused and thought it was a pro-Trump rally. Doesn't stop the media from spreading it with the spin this is violence from a Trump supporter when they don't actually know yet. Wasn't it nice back when we got the whole story before we published?
Are you going to stop it with the apologism and the normalization, and stand against this evil like the rest of us?
How about you stop with all the phoney fear mongering? Everything is scary, frightening, terrifying! No, it's not. The media is spreading this fear, and you're helping them. The rioters are lashing out violently at their own hallucinations and people are getting hurt in the process. Please stop.
They shadowbanned Scott Adams. There were others.
But basically go on twitter and start screaming about how awful blacks or Jews are. Ban. Go on twitter and scream about how awful and evil white people are. No problem. Personally I would prefer it if no one chose to yell nasty things about anyone's race. But, it's not about "hate." It's just about your target.
Exactly what is wrong with giving people filters so they can decide who talks to them or not?
I agree with that, of course you should be able to filter things. I think the problem that happened with this election for the left is Dems built their own echo chambers. The mainstream media's a corporate/left echo chamber (6 major companies own all the media, they have similar interests, with only Fox really disagreeing on a few points), it's all based in NY/DC/LA/Atlanta where everyone's an urbanite and has similar attitudes, the opinion of the "man on the street" is literally the first guy who comes walking by outside the studio, and then Dem voters get on FaceBook and Twitter and share these same articles from HuffPo back and forth and block anybody who says "you know, that's not entirely accurate..." because they're a hateful nazi. And of course, never, EVER, look at a right-wing or conservative blog or news site because no matter how well researched and cited the article is, it must be evil lies and conspiracy nonsense. If it were important, Anderson Cooper would let me know! And then election night rolls around and they're SHOCKED when things didn't go as they expected. People on the right weren't. The only states I got wrong on my map were NH and Wisconsin.
And no, people on the right are not in "right wing echo chambers." You can't be in a right-wing echo chamber because the entire culture is left wing, the TV media is left wing, and your friends on facebook are spamming those same HuffPo articles. The right saw the left's side and said "these people are delusional." The left never saw the right's side, and it's scary now, because my FaceBook feed is full of hysterical people who believe Trump is literally Hitler and all their friends and neighbors are secret Nazis because they never heard an opposing viewpoint the entire campaign. Actually now they've moved on to stage of grief 3: bargaining, and they're passing around shit about how faithless electors might save them, or this HuffPo delusion piece about how some loophole could still make Bernie win...? Shit you not, that's the article.
And pretty much no one on my FaceBook feed has come to realization their media's been lying to them. Nope. Trump is Hitler, their neighbors are Nazis, we're all gonna die. They're still swallowing the fear mongering retardation from the MSM, like that Steve Bannon is an anti-Semitic white supremacist. The proof of this is that during a bitter divorce his ex-wife said he didn't want their kids going to a Jewish school with Jewish girls. Never mind that Andrew Breitbart was a Jew, half the staff at Breitbart is Jews, Milo is a Jew, and Breitbart shills hard for Israel and documents all the anti-Semitic hate crimes from the migrant crisis that the European media covers up. Nope, because of something from a vicious divorce settlement that's proof he's whispering in Trump's ear that it's time to fire up the ovens so everyone panic.
It's insane. I don't know what if anything will ever break these people out of their bubble. Maybe once they get past Depression they can be brought to Acceptance with the hopeful thought that "hey, it wasn't your fault, Anderson Cooper was lying to you. Maybe you just need to get your news from multiple different types of sources, and judge them appropriately, because nobody's unbiased or 100% right all the time?" God I hope.
It is the idea to build a wall because they want to keep out groups of people, because they are not the same as they are.
Isn't that kind of the point of walls? I mean, I have walls in my house to keep out hobos, who are not the same as my family. Does your home have walls, or door locks? Why?