Slashdot Mirror
Steve Bannon Suggests Having Too Many Asian Tech CEOs Undermines 'Civic Society' (theverge.com)
In an interview last year with Donald Trump -- that The Washington Post resurfaced yesterday -- Breitbart News Network's executive chairman, Steve Bannon, suggested that there are too many asian CEOs in Silicon Valley. "He alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the U.S., instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies," writes Ashley Carman via The Verge: Trump voiced concern over these students attending Ivy League schools and then going home: "We have to be careful of that, Steve. You know, we have to keep our talented people in this country," Trump said. When asked if he agreed, Bannon responded: "When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think [...]" he didn't finish his sentence. "A country is more than an economy. We're a civic society." While Bannon didn't explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase "civic society." The Huffington Post makes note of a May 2015 study in its report, which "found that 27 percent of professionals working in Silicon Valley companies were Asian or Asian-American. They represented less than 19 percent of managers and under 14 percent of executives, according to the report."
I think by Asian he meant Indian as well. What are the numbers if you include Indians?
It'll be interesting to see the alt-right portion of the slashdot crowd defend this racist scumbag.
By interesting, I mean embarrassing to humanity.
So according to Steven Bannon we can't have a "civic society" in America if there are areas whose population aren't a majority of whites. I expected a more sophisticated racist euphemism from a Harvard-educated man.
Trump has dumped his press pool twice in the past week. He is really in a no-win situation here; if he lets the press in they might say things he doesn't like, but if he doesn't then people might stop paying attention to him.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Don't we want the best and brightest from around the world to work here, to our advantage, rather than their home countries?
Required reading for internet skeptics
In what world does "civic society" equate to "white nationalist identity?" There's a dozen things I could honestly take from this quote, and I could do without its really heavy baiting to control where I'm going with my interpretations.
I get that Bannon isn't likable or something. I don't want to dispute anything about him either way. I just want data without the entire heavy-leaning interpretation of hand-wavy words. He's clearly wrong about his numbers. Can we focus on that? Do we have to label him "white nationalist" with all but coming out and saying that? Is that helpful? Pretend he's an actual white supremacist and proud of it. Can we not criticize his points on their own, like actual discourse requires? If he and his words are simply not worth talking about, this is not how to go about that.
Good lord there's so much to actually criticize out there and we're just framing every damn thing in tribalistic nonsense. (Before it gets assumed, no, I don't think this is limited to one "party" or whatever. It's common in every sensationalist nonsense "journalism" organization.)
This forum Sig is licensed under the LGPL.
'Asian' = Indians in this case?
I.e. outsourcing companies and all the h1b's hired to replace the Americans..
Can't say I disagree with him then in that case..
Dear people mad that "Asians" or whatever are running the tech companies...
The obvious answer is "make more college graduates."
Many state schools are turning to foreign nationals to pay out-of-state tuition to fund operating costs because their state has cut funding.
So step 1 is... restore state funding to colleges, and you can get rid of some foreign students that whoever you want in roles won't have to compete with!
Step 2 is... tell your constituents that college isnt a "liberal elite conspiracy," so they'll actually attend.
Step 3 is... fund the ones that can't afford it. If some dude/dudette whose parents lost their manufacturing job to a robot has the talent, he should be there, gaining skills for America! Quit viewing college funds as a "handout" and look at it as an investment in America's workforce.
That's pretty much it. You'll reduce the number of whoever you don't like in tech companies by a small amount, by making the people you do want in them more capable of competing.
I'm pretty sure even the Asians you're mad at will be cool with that.
While it doesn't exactly seem to have a very positive connotation, there's also not much of a negative one. It's definitely not what the widespread quote has been.
Definition of a civic society (since I had to look it up):
I'm clearly missing the problem here? He has the wrong statistic (literally the opposite quantity), but what part of his statement doesn't make sense? A country should probably be a civic society, by that definition, to preserve its own self-interests. I also agree that with the other statement that we should look to retain their best and simply block their worst. Why effectively use our institution's tax dollars to train a foreign power's workers?
Steve Bannon is a racist; this is pretty much proof. Why should I presume Trump isn't aware of this? Why shouldn't one presume that Trump appointed Bannon his Chief Strategist because Bannon's a racist?
Finding God in a Dog
Why is anyone who spent more than 3 years (pre-MBA lets say) at Goldman Sachs even allowed to serve in the US government?
We've made an investment in these people. We should be doing everything we can to keep them here. Let's start stapling green cards to STEM degrees from accredited universities.
It's BeauHD's hourly political shitposting again.
No. According to the person posting the article's interpretation of what he didn't say, but may have meant.
This isn't news. This isn't even gossip. It's just bullshit.
It was to have dinner where pictures show his family present and the secret service. Who gives a crap?
I don't remember seeing dinner coverage of President-Elects Bush or Obama. And Obama consistently dumps the press pool on his golf outings, without any complaints of a "loss of transparency".
Frankly, the media is showing an awful bias here. Throwing a fit over missing a dinner? Is that seriously what it comes down too? It's clear that they hate him -- it already was before he was elected and nominated -- but they're losing serious viewers with this bogus "news" broadcasting. This kind of bias is the turmoil that is causing the riots in major cities and the lack of honest reporting on those "peaceful" protests (shown to be the complete opposite given shootings and property damage) while protesters are bussed into cities en masse reeks of incompetency and stupidity.
If the major media outlets wonder why people have lost faith in them: this crap is it. At least try show balanced coverage. Though given all of the coercion shown in the WikiLeaks between the Clinton campaign and the media, I won't hold my breath to see it happen.
Bannon has already been sacked from the transition team, he just hasn't been told yet.
Chris Christie was fired, because he was the prosecutor that sent Trumps in-law Jared's dad to jail for fraud.
Mike Rogers resigned after a security briefing on Trump from the CIA.
Matthew Freedman was fired as blame for Rogers resignation.
In law, Jared Kushner has been appointed as advisor illegally against the anti-corruption anti-nepotism laws.
So he's advisor whose not advisor, he cannot be security cleared, and when Trump talks state secrets with him, Trump is committing a federal offense.
Mike Pence, who replaced Chris Christie failed to sign the transition agreement, the legally required document that was signed by Chris Christie before he was sacked.
Jared cannot sign it, nor can Trump's other children or family, yet Trump has appointed them advisors, so he'll have to sack them again.
Right... because we hear all the time about "getting rid of white dudes" in tech from people in the highest offices in the land.
What is your interpretation of what Bannon meant by a "civic society" in the context in which he said it?
So yes, and I gather from context that the "Live" here is the concern. Work here is important too, but if the talent stays for a couple years and moves home to India, or China, or South Korea (etc..) with their fortune has our society received as much benefit from the arrangement? Cherry picking context for some for of "ism" or "obia" has become so old that I am simply ignoring MSM. Boycott is your only leverage to change this shit from the media oligarchs who are pissed that their crony lost.
6% trust rating my ass, Huffpo has gone into negative range along with those other stations which I won't even mention.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Maybe he is just saying it was to have dinner. I mean you never know. Or do you blindly trust like a fool?
He is buildig a wall right, what do you care?
Dude that comment was completely racist. How do Asians undermine civic society? Are they out committing crimes?
This nut actually believes waht he says...
This is a distraction for something coming down the line when they're in cabinet position.
It does not matter what groups are involved. It is not that they are bad, it is that diversity itself is bad.
Every culture wants to assert its own values, standards and goals. When multiple cultures co-exist in the same nation, the self-interest of each group clashes with the self-interest of the others.
This means that no one gets the society they want to live in, and social standards are pared down to the bare minimum. This creates an atomizing, alienating and fundamentally isolating society.
The only solution is to end diversity. Do not hate the players, hate the game.
Alternative Right.
The issue here is that he doesn't have his cleared/approved set of reporters, and he doesn't have that because the transition team hasn't approved one, and the transition team hasn't approved one because he's hired then sacked half his transition team, and appointed family members to transition roles, which is illegal under anti-corruption laws.
So he needs to get his transition team sorted, so he can do the transition (preferably BEFORE next year), so they can approve the press pool. God help us when he needs to do some actual work, appointing the press pool is the least of the jobs.
I'd say he's a sad joke of a man, but in a US President that is very dangerous. Putin put him in that job, and Putin will take advantage of his incompetence.
I suspect the federal departments are making plans to run the show behind his back to keep government going despite him.
>A country is more than an economy. We're a civic society.
It means exactly that. There's more to a country than money and business. There's a culture that should be respected and protected. Sitting back quietly while a major national industry is overtaken by people from different cultures who only came to America to go to school and get rich and may or may not have any intention of assimilating is hardly protecting our culture.
That's not racism or "white nationalism", it's the whole fucking point of having a country and has been for 3000 years.
...and he said this during the campaign ... and if everyone knew about it... unfortunately, Trump would have still beat sorry ass Hillary Clinton.
America's culture is that it's a melting pot of cultures. Always has been and always will be. You respect and protect that by allowing other cultures to continue to immigrate and contribute to that culture.
And what happens when you put things into a "melting pot"? They blend together and homogenize.
Having subsets of society populated by immigrants who haven't changed a thing about their beliefs or ways of life since they hopped on the boat in Whereverstan isn't being part of a 'melting pot'.
That is what they teach in public school, but it isn't accurate. America is not really a melting pot and never has been. Makes a nice bedtime story though.
I'm only half Asian, and it's the south kind. So pray I'm ok.
Err, except...my mum grew up speaking Chinese as a kid. Crap!
Mr Bannon I your rules unclear. Am I human or not?
I think if you're an immigrant from "whereverstan" and land ashore on one of these boats you've mentioned, learn the local language, get selected to attend the top schools, get hired by the best companies and end up running the companies, you've assimilated pretty f*cking well.
Take your racism somewhere else.
Anyone who has lived in NYC or the Bay Area believes otherwise, myself included. There are certainly lots of areas within the USA that aren't nearly as diverse but since this article is about the Bay Area's "civic society" it applies.
He meant to say "civil society", but was too drunk and coked up to get it right.
I don't think we need to worry about Bannon. He looks like he's one rail away from joining Andrew Breitbart in Hell.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr...
http://img.wonkette.com/wp-con...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Not true. I have lived in NYC and in Washington DC and although they are "diverse", there is no melting. In general, things are segregated, especially with recent immigrants.
Yet SJW's whine about "cultural appropriation" all the time. How can it be a melting pot is "cultural appropriation" is evil?
Could someone help this poor immigrant out? Are racial quotas a bad thing now? Just a few months ago, I was told, it is a very good and useful thing, but TFA seems to frown on it...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
"We are the platform of the alt-right".
Scum.
When we import foreign nationals into the country and then give them jobs, really anywhere, what we are doing is we are reducing the opportunity available to our own citizens, it adversely impacts citizens of all races, really, denying them the opportunity in their own country. It really just boils down to economics. One of the ironies of immigration is it often disadvantages black people quite substantially by competing for many of their jobs as well. This is really about protecting the sovereignty and the right of all american citizens, regardless of their race, to a secure country, and to exclusive access to our countries resources and jobs. Immigration, legal or illegal, does have very serious consquences, immigrants do not have to commit violent crime to have a very adverse impact on citizens, because they always end up reducing job opportunities for americans and suppressing the wage/salary market. A zero immigration policy therefore would protect all americans of all races, not just one group or another. So please, dont assume that people who opposed to immigration are trying to advantage one race over another, this is an out and lie, and it is totally illogical, because blocking all immigration would have the same benefits for all americans, no matter their race.A country does have a right to secure borders and to stop their borders from being breached and overrun, and to stop all immigration, this is a well established right under international law and is not in dispute.
I lived in queens and would regularly hear 4-5 unique languages on my way to the subway - so the individual cultures there are certainly not segregated in a physical sense. As for segregated in a larger societal sense, diverse doesn't mean they all have to be going out to dinner together or marching in each other's parades. But they have accepted the basic precepts of American life and culture, and each of their culture's presence has influenced the others, sometimes in obvious ways and sometimes more subtly.
Or how about the "immigrants" that parachute in with 15-50 million dollars and buy up all the real estate and/or businesses but never give up their passport from "whereeverstan", never plan to be part of the country, and don't really care about the country. Heck, they can't even be bothered to learn the language. They totally and literally screw up the economy to the point where local people cannot afford to buy a house. They just park their money (made in sweatshops under environmentally unfriendly rules) and will leave as soon as they see a better deal somewhere else. Their dirty money, and our politician's love of it, will be the end of us.
Only when white people do it because white people are evil.
This is really what some of us are talking about. Immigrants used to come to America and assimilate into the culture (my ancestors included). What we have in many cases today are people coming here and not assimilating, simply continuing to live as they did in their native countries creating these pockets of culture that are in many cases incompatible with American culture. Slow the influx of people, vet for people who want to be a productive part of our society, and help them assimilate.
Having foreigners in charge of a significant part of a nation's economy isn't necessarily a good thing. And by foreigners, I don't mean non-white races who are American citizens; I mean the citizens of other nations, white or otherwise.
Of course, it fits the Leftist narrative to assume race was meant, not nationality.
Nevertheless, I've observed that those who have been smeared as racist/homophobic/deplorable/irredeemable/etc. by the Left no longer have any reason to care if more labels are applied to them; they have become dead to the world in which those labels matter. The technique of character assassination could work as long as the Left was restrained, and only took out individual threats here and there, like Palin, but the Left couldn't restrain themselves. When the Left applied it to half the population, they excluded those people from the Leftist sphere of influence, and thus cut the legs out from under their own power.
I do, however, find it amusing that the Left is continuing the same narrative campaign against Trump by attempting to smear Bannon, when that tactic so clearly backfired during the election. For that matter, Trump would gain by leaving Bannon in place, simply to attract more fire from Leftists.
Why interrupt an enemy when he is making a mistake? :)
Nice anecdote, but diversity and "melting" are two separate concepts. For example Americas schools are more segregated than they have ever been. In any city there are large sections where whites mostly live, blacks mostly live, Asians mostly live. It is even more segregated with first generation immigrants. They tend to cluster together with other immigrants from their country/region, which makes sense. The idea of a melting pot is just public school lipservice.
Allow me to clarify: as a white person, I can assure you that it isn't non-whites who are inferior, it is you bigoted, ignorant folderol who are inferior. I'm not interested in informing or educating you, I'm only interested in your extermination, as you are a cancer on the Republic. You were able to cheat your way into control this time, but the educated, wealthy blue states will eventually eradicate you and your racism, sexism, and xenophobia. This is a war, and you are the enemy, to be shown no quarter.
So what is your definition of melting? what you just described (segregation) points to lack of diversity, not lack of melting.
I see melting pot in that people adopt a certain set of cultural beliefs, language, mores, as their own that is not ethnically their own. 1st generations usually try, but you see melting mostly in 2nd generations and later. There you usually have people who can speak English and their ethnic language, believe in the Constitution and the freedoms (and responsibilities!) it enshrines, and have a vested interest in the health and prosperity of the US. Who cares if they live with other people that look like them as long as they work hard and contribute to society?
That's just not true in all areas and even though it's true in others it doesn't mean the segregated cultures aren't influencing each other and melding. TV and the Internet changed that. How many white kids listening to gangster rap live in Compton, CA?
those crazy high college costs. Turns out companies bring them over here and pay for schooling so they can have them work as "interns" (there are no quotes big enough for the preceding). Far from subsidizing my kid's education they're so profitable that they're squeezing her out. She'll need a 4.0 just to get into her year 3 classes. That's not grade inflation either. Kids are retaking classes they get Bs in to maintain that 4.0.
Either that or fund schools enough that you can finish them with a C average. But right now there's not enough space in the 300 level courses for Americans. Sorry, but send them back. Bernie & Hilary lost so that's the best I can hope for...
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
I'm with Trump, not Bannon, on this one. If more of the Asians we educate at Stanford and MIT would stay and become a counterforce to the anti-science liberal culture that infests academia, we in particular, as nerds, would be better off. Our position in science compared to Asian countries would improve. We would still have a long way to go before we competed with them in applications, but we would have a better chance of getting there.
but I'm mostly seeing code monkeys. Meanwhile companies don't train anymore. Ever. I've watched every company I know fire their training departments and slash funding to pay for certifications. Ten years ago an ex-coworker of mine got $10k in Salesforce training that he took on company time. Me today? Not so much.
We can send the H1-Bs back and train Americans in 6 months to do their jobs. We don't want to. Trump got into office on the promise of doing that. Bannon is making motions to do that.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
By "antiscience" you mean "accepts what actual scientists say."
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
When we're talking H1-Bs coming here taking entry level or just above entry level code monkey jobs that companies used to train Americans to do. Every tech worker on this forum has lost at least $30k/yr to wage depression from the H1-B program. My life is worse than my parents and my kinds life will be worse than mine. She'll graduate into a $50/$60/k yr job with $30k debt. Fuck that.
It's not racism, it's protectionism. My attitude is this: Don't come to my Country and drive down wages and make my life shit. Go make your country not a hell hole.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
Given Sundar Pichai is Google's CEO ...
Seems to me this is just Breitbart trying to muddy the waters as Google is taking a stand against 'fake news' and twitter is banning the alt-right.
If Breitbart can claim victim status perhaps they can get around Google (and thereby Facebook et.al.) from classifying them as 'fake news'.
By being incendiary about Asian (that's Indian in British parlance) CEOs then can later claim that Google banning them (Breitbart) is personal.
While I probably don't agree that Breitbart is 'fake' they are certainly walking the line and occasionally stepping over. Breitbart is unabashedly biased and incendiary and some opinions and commentary seems to not be shy of using 'post-fact' rhetoric.
I think if you're an immigrant from "whereverstan" and land ashore on one of these boats you've mentioned, learn the local language, get selected to attend the top schools, get hired by the best companies and end up running the companies, you've assimilated pretty f*cking well.
Especially that one company I briefly worked for: run by Indian immigrants who loved to abuse the heck out of the H1Bs that they imported from their homeland.
diversity doesn't work because people are people. We're not as different as we like to tell ourselves. The only difference is how hard you can work someone based on how desperate their upbringing was.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
I'm not sure white kids listening to gangster rap is what is meant by "a melting pot". But I guess you are a shallow person.
Such hate. You've become the very thing you claim to be against. Fortunately, your "wealthy blue states" only have a finite amount influence. THANK YOU GOD for your divine wisdom by inspiring those who contributed to the United States Constitution to institute the Electoral College. Amen.
Even Mother Jones poo-poos the racist claims and has picture of his staff of nine with women and a black dude....yeah he must really be a racist only having one not two
We will be seeing this sort of post 2-4 times a day on Slashdot for the next 4 years. Every little thing imagined or real incident will be conveniently spammed non stop. Trump eats a taco...we'll see it on Slashdot instead of a useful tech article.
Denying the most FOIA requests of any administration is a good enough indication that there is a loss of transparency such that complaining about a golf outing is a waste of time.
What legit racists in power look like.
When one resorts to personal insults then the debate has been lost and with that I graciously accept your concession.
The dude on CNN tried his best to say with a straight face how the American people NEED to know "how long the dinner was, where he went, what time it was until, etc"
It's hard to believe that piece of shit network is still on television.
Economic power should flow to the most competent. Those who can get the job done, and do it well, are best suited to call the shots. I could not care less where they are from, or what color their skin is, if they are the ones that merit the position.
Have Clinton and Obama come out and told these hooligans that are rioting to knock it off? Last I heard, there was nothing but silence from them, which seems to imply consent. That the media isn't demanding this out of them is just more evidence that the collusion between the current admin and the press demonstrated by wikileaks continues.
Has George Soros started one of his pathetic color revolutions in the US now? I hear he's picked purple for this year's fashion. In an honest government, he'd be arrested for sedition and terrorism. Goes to show you the morals of Obama and crew. Maybe the next administration will man up and arrest that treasonous piece of filth. Perhaps even extradite him to Russia.
and I'll defend him. His comments were surprisingly low key. And we of the left wing ignore & dismiss him at our peril. As a member of the working class trying to get a kid through college and seeing 70-80% of tech workers here on H1-B visas I want this addressed. There's no easy way to do it without talking about where those workers are coming from. He didn't just say Asia, he said "South Asia". He means India. If you and others like you dismiss him as a bigot you'll get more nasty surprises at the ballot box as folks like me give up on liberal socialism that feels like lip service and turn to guys like Trump to protect our jobs. Again, nothing to do with racism, everything to do with money.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
Sounds like you are an expert. Citations on any of your shit. Your talking out of your ass, anddddd.. being dishonest.
By "accepts what actual scientists say" you mean "accepts what scientists who we agree with say".
They're still all men! And that makes me foam at the mouth and scream patriarchy! Why does silicon valley only associate women and silicon with breast implants! I am outraged and offended at.this sexist and racist White male privileged society. Arrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved his request to postpone his trial on Trump U until after inauguration, saying he has a lot to do between now and January. What does he think he will be doing when he is officially President? does he think it will be easier going and that he would have more time?
I'm in one of those departments, and havent been told anything like that (perhaps they dont share that with low level folks). All we have been told is to wait until we are contacted by the trump transition team and then inform upper management.
I'd rather not have honor killings and mass rape attacks "contributed"
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
That is what they teach in public school, but it isn't accurate. America is not really a melting pot and never has been. Makes a nice bedtime story though.
I suspect that you're going to make up your own definition for "melting pot", but here goes anyway.
I'm going with the term assimilation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/28/hispanic-immigrants-are-assimilating-just-as-quickly-as-earlier-groups/
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/assimilation-nation/309518/
Here is a breakdown of the ancestral groups of the USA population.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762137.html
These are by and large people who have assimilated and lost their ancestral identity.
Most of these groups have preserved little to none of their original cultural identity; i.e. they think of themselves as Americans.
A great many of the people who have moved permanently to the USA are surprised at how quickly they and their children are accepted by other Americans as being an American. Conversely, in most other countries immigrants are not accepted as being "part of us" until they've been there for generations and intermarried. One complaint you'll hear from immigrants is that their children have become American and forgotten where they came from.
My grandfather still had a noticeable accent and identifying cultural traits over 100 years after his grand father moved to this country. He was white. They moved to a part of the US popular with people who came from the same place. Just like other immigrants tend to do. Over time, they adopted the language, dialects, and some of the traditions of other immigrant populations. There wasn't and isn't some base culture that they all assimilated into. The common cultural elements changed over time and there have always been sub cultures.
A melting pot doesn't mean that everything thrown in turns into what was already there.
Conservative America has the kid gloves on right now and has given the Left far more tolerance and respect than they have shown to deserve. If you really want to throw down with them, you're not nearly as intelligent as you think.
What society needs is a white tax. White people should be forced to pay 10% more tax. This extra money will go to other babies.
White people should be limited to having a maximum of 2 children. White families with only one child should have to help raise another child.
Businesses that hire too many whites will need to oay more tax. They will also be named and shamed.
Entrance to university should be limited to 50% White and the remainder of the white population forced to Work manual labour Jobs.
Whites already have enough money so should not be entitled to welfare or unemployment benefits.
All White drug addicts and alcoholics should be indefinitely jailed.
White criminals should be castrated.
5 Most Absurd Ways the Left Has Responded to the 2016 Election.
The Left has packed an awful lot of crazy into the days since Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in the presidential election. (Should there have been a trigger warning in front of that sentence?)
Here are the top five in no particular order. Wait, strike that — let’s say one of the middle ones is the very top example of liberal lunacy, either Three or Four, take your pick, and the one listed first is the least important of the five, in order to keep the crazy theme going. Also, be prepared for ALL CAPS to erupt in the following post at any moment.
1. Cry-Ins: They really did hold a “cry-in” at Cornell University. They got together and wept in the quad, sobbing about how “terrifying” Trump’s victory was. They scrawled their heartbreak upon the pavement with colored chalk. There was shock and awwwww.
Adults, presumably including some faculty members, appeared on the scene, but strangely none of them told the kids to grow up, which really should enrage the university’s alumni and donors. The Wall Street Journal said school staff were “providing tissues and hot chocolate” to the emotional exhibitionists. It’s not good at all when absurdly expensive institutions of higher learning churn out students who can’t deal with the results of an election, and it is very much the fault of liberal-dominated academia that it’s come to this. They did it on purpose, as part of the great liberal project to make childhood a permanent condition.
It’s also alarming that they invest so much of their personal value and spiritual energy into politics. One adult on the scene, who looked like a professor to the Cornell Sun’s reporters, said the cry-in was “an indication that there are many many people who are suffering and feel that haven’t been heard and they believe that Trump will answer their needs.” If you’re waiting for any politician to “answer your needs,” YOU’RE WHAT’S WRONG WITH AMERICA, KIDS. (I warned you about the caps.)
Columnist Mark Steyn offered an interesting observation about the”special snowflake meltdown”: their “knowledge of history is so scant that hitherto they had no idea America wasn’t a one-party state and that once every decade or so the other guy gets to win.” That’s funny, but it’s also alarming. It’s very unhealthy to not only assume political victories are permanent, but to become so convinced your ideology has a lock on power that you’re emotionally incapable of dealing with the discovery you were wrong.
2. Therapy Dogs: “Pettable pooches” were trotted out to schoolchildren in New York, as the New York Post reported. This is, once again, sending all the wrong signals about the nature of elections and responsible citizenship.
Also, a letter from school administrators admitted that the faculty had backed Clinton, and “our students brought a great deal of emotion, anxiety, and strong feelings” to the election results. Are we allowed to ask how much of that load of emotion and anxiety was deposited in the minds of students by their political-activist teachers?
Therapy dogs weren’t just for small children. They were brought in to comfort university students and (more-or-less) grown-up Democratic staffers on Capitol Hill, too. At least some of them have the excuse that they may lose their jobs, because their bosses were defeated in the election. Then again, everyone who goes to work for an elected representative should be prepared for the possibility they won’t be re-elected.
3. Safety Pins: Safety pins swiftly became the new badge of aggrieved loser status, accompanied by the kind of social-media hashtag campaign the Obama Administration would occasionally substitute for foreign policy.
Safety pins are supposed to identify the wearer as an island of safety and to
They're still all men! And that makes me foam at the mouth and scream patriarchy! Why does silicon valley only associate women and silicon with breast implants! I am outraged and offended at.this sexist and racist White male privileged society. Arrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
With our new President elect we are now free to treat them as objects and "grab their pussys." That's what make "America great ageain;" we can set our watches back 70 years!
I think there are too many universities, the universities are financially inefficient, and there might be a lowering of academic standards. Teaching college students could theoretically be cheaper than k-12 students, because colleges are not required to take students, and students are not required to attend college
This means 1) Professor can kick the student out of class for misbehaving. 2) prof can flunk student for not studying enough. 3) classroom hating students will avoid college.
There has been a rise in administrative and support staff. Full professor pensions could be expensive. College sports teams (football...). Nice, new buildings... It seems kind of bizzare. I went to a cheap, state university with old buildings. Then I transfered to a more prestigious state university, still with old buildings. Sure, there was a nice rec center, but it had over 40 thousand students.
That's a 64 million dollar observation. I wish I had mod points.
To be fair (thus implying you suckas aren't) even homogenous groups are rarely melding that much. It's a nice fantasy, but most people keep with their own. Before any fuckwad screams racist, I'm talking about elites vs poor, intellectuals vs simpletons etc. So whatever racism is in the mind. Ofc uou can attribute and project unto others, but that is not dialogue.
The important thing is you've found a group of people to call inferior and advocate their extermination.
The "melting pot" concept is a discredited, racist idea left over from the 1970s, Grandpa. The new idea is "multiculturalism", which you might have heard of. Fuck off, racist, and take your dinosaur ideas with you.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Your observations are probably due to being in an area that is called (by people who study immigration ) "gateway areas" because that is where recent immigrants tend to cluster. Gateway areas have a continuing series of recent immigrant groups so in those areas you do always find groups that aren't "melted". Most of them leave as they become Americanized. Some remain, but it's by their own choice.
In most of the USA, you cannot tell who originally came from German, Italian, French, Polish, English, or Italian ancestors.
You cannot tell the difference in attitudes and practices between third generation Asians and Europeans due to their having become more American than anything else. You can see they look different, but inside they're the same.
It's the same with African Americans. Anyone can see they had African ancestors, but their attitudes and culture are more like the rest of the USA than anywhere else, and they have little to no connection with their African ancestors.
It's called a melting pot because outside of recent immigrants we pretty much all act like other Americans and think of ourselves as Americans.
This will no doubt be branded "racist", so posting as AC. First of all, if you look up the actual quote, you will realize that the article is a contrived hit piece.
With that out of the way, Asians are not a uniform group. Moreover, there are subgroups within them, sometimes quite substantial, which don't give a damn about diversity at all, and hire their countrymen ahead of everybody else. We used to call this the "indocritical mass". Once an organization reaches a certain percentage of Indians, all is lost and the number of Indians will continue to increase exponentially. They will then proceed to promote each other. Skill level or experience don't seem to matter, nor do the results. That could be what Bannon was (ineptly) referring to.
because that's the question that gets asked everytime we talk about free or cheap college anymore. 66% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck (e.g. don't have $400 to their name). That's a _lot_ of folks who can't afford it.
People don't skip college because it's a liberal elite conspiracy. They skip college for money. Unless you can get Americans to suck down the taxes (in the face of declining wages) that's not gonna change.
Here's another option. Ever wonder how people from 2nd world countries can afford out of state tuition? Companies are paying it for them so they can work 'em to death as interns while they're in 'school' as 'interns'. You bring guys and gals in their 20s who've already been trained here and they work for you for peanuts. The cost of education is less than you woulda paid an American.
Shut that scam down for a start. Shut the whole H1-B program down and make companies _train_ again. We've got other visa programs for the Geniuses. We don't need more code monkeys, and Americans can do math just fine if we don't abandon our public schools.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
Come to my neighbourhood then. Most of the people living here are first generation immigrants from China, Taiwan or India. I also am an immigrant.
I think that immigrants in this neighbourhood outnumber native-born Americans about 5 to 1.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Nope, I mean "accepts what scientists say." That you can find at least one or two researchers in any field who promote wingnut views doesn't mean those views aren't pure wingnuttery.
In my area of interests, Proto-Indo-European studies, there are a small group of linguists, primarily Indian nationalists, who insist India is the Urheimat of the Proto-Indo-European languages. The overwhelming majority of PIE researchers view this for what it is, politically motivated rubbish, and point to Pontic-Caspian Steppe as the most likely original homeland of the Indo-European speakers, pointing to the fact that the Baltic and Slavic (sometimes grouped together as the Balto-Slavic languages) as possessing far more PIE primitives than virtually any other family of languages with the possible exception of the extinct Anatolian subfamily.
The point of that long aside is to show you that you will find in any field of research a small number of people who for various reasons, some honest and sincere, some absurd and dishonorable, who ride against the consensus. And so it is with climatology. You have a very small number of climatologists (and a much smaller number of active and publishing researchers) who claim AGW is overstated or false, but the overwhelming majority assert that those very small number of contrarians are wrong, and in some cases, clearly intentionally distorting legitimate research and data to make AGW seem overstated. It doesn't help that some of these contrarians, like Frank Spencer, are basically on anti-AGW political thinktank payrolls, raising serious ethical questions about their motivations for writing anti-AGW screeds (not to mention these very few individuals, like their Creationist counterparts in biology, almost never publish any papers that lay out their great destructive critiques of AGW).
My view is that you just don't want to hear bad news, so you've decided that the overwhelming number of researchers in areas related to climatology are liars, and because you're of an childish and cowardly temperment, literallly a delicate little snowflake, you only want to hear from that tiniest fraction of the research community who promotes claims you are emotionally equipped to deal with.
At the end of the day, of course, the universe doesn't fucking care about your tender snowflake feelings. CO2 has the properties it has, and increasing even fractional percentages of overall CO2 in the atmosphere will inevitably lead to more heat being trapped. I do pity your fragile snowflake ego, though. I understand that your mommy and daddy never really explained to you that reality doesn't owe even the tiniest favor.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
If Steve Bannon says having too many Asian tech CEOs undermines 'Civic Society', he must clearly be in favor of them.
After all, everything Steve Bannon does is about destroying civil society (and then whatever is left of it).
Im done with this site
So, what you're saying is that Trump wants to keep smart immigrants in the country?
The H1B was a contentious visa that was first introduced after lobbying from industry to resolve the shortage of educated, skilled labour, especially in tech. It was not proposed or introduced by Indians with the intention to smuggle their families into the country through some backdoor they wished to create.
Let's look at what's happened since the H1B passed: companies realized the skilled labor was not only adequate but oftentimes better educated than local options (which were in some cases not even available) and COST PENNIES compared to local options. This being a somewhat free market economy, the corporations naturally started hiring loads of these people to make their bottom line look better.
Has this visa been abused? Yes. By most companies. And by all races. Your anecdote of that indian business owner hiring only Indians is as much the norm as tech companies replacing entire departments with H1Bers.
Look, I understand that you will hear this crap from your Gender Studies intersectionality based classes, but it's bullshit. The US culture has been based on personal liberty and hard work. For nearly 200 years people came here and tried hard, if they succeeded they stayed and became great. If they failed, they more often than not went back to their origin. They also learned the US Constitution, History, and National Pride.
The "give me shit because I'm entitled" type of immigration started near the 1970s and was spread through Black culture. Milton Friedman argued against Welfare with open immigration because it does not attract the best and brightest but attracts the lazy. The hard worker already found their way here and tried hard. Milton also argued against it as a hand out as opposed to a hand up form of benefit. Black Americans could already succeed if they tried hard, and things like the Jim Crow laws prove it (you can thank the Democrats and Lefties for that one too). Leftist commies didn't care, because they could import voters for as long as they can give other people's shit away.
With the exception of leftists in politics, the majority of the population didn't care about race, gender, or Religion. Still don't for that matter.
The tyranny the left has been trying is plainly visible today, and the morons out advocating are the useful idiots too stupid to see what is happening.
One of my great-grandfathers grew up in a German-speaking Mennonite community in Ontario in the late 19th century. There were all kinds of distaff Pennsylvania Dutch communities throughout eastern North America who still primarily spoke German and Eastern European languages, and some, like the Amish, still prosper today. But when my great-grandfather left home to find work, he had to learn to speak and read English far better than he had as a child, and in the end, so I'm told, the German accent wasn't terribly perceptible.
My grandfather on my dad's side grew up in an area of British Columbia with a large population (for the region in the early 20th century) of Swedes and Norwegians, and all his sisters married Swedes, accept for his youngest, who married a Norwegian. Family reunions when I kid were fun, with lots of Olafs and Svens, and even a Thor, in attendance. So far as I remember, all the husbands were actually born in Scandinavia, and still had fairly thick accents.
But their grandkids, who I chummed around with when I visited when I was a kid, didn't know any Scandinavian language (except swear words, somehow those get passed on). Even their parents, second generation, knew very little, having to make their way in the English-speaking world.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Unless they're degenerates.
--
Hitler did nothing wrong.
The idea of a melting pot is just public school lipservice.
I must have missed the quotes and diversity requirements in various segments of society. There are laws that force a 'melting pot'. It is much more literal than you say.
Why do Twitter nu-males like you even come to a site like this? How did you find this site? They should have disabled registration after the first 100,000 users.
I'll take it one step further and suggest that "assimilation" is an anti-American concept. Though in reality we have a checkered history when it comes to this, we regard "religious freedom" as an American tenet. People established colonies here precisely because they didn't want to be assimilated into the cultures of where they came from. We are also one of the few countries that does not have an official language. That's not an oversight.
Given that religious values and language are intimately tied to culture, it's not at all a stretch to say that a diversity of cultures is baked into the fabric of America. What you've described as some new phenomena is what's being going on since the beginning.
Even among whites in the US there are regional dialects and cultural traditions that can be traced back to other countries, - Louisiana Creole for example. Then there's perhaps the best example, the Amish, who've doggedly resisted any sort of assimilation.
You can make the argument that the Amish should take on the values of the larger society but my point is that not "assimilating" is nothing new. And to the extent that melting does occur, it can take generations and is never really complete or uniform.
I find it ironic that some people want to turn the US into the kind of countries that our ancestors deliberately left.
We should at least attempt to keep shitty cultures out. Saying this as a minority from a shitty culture. I don't really know how we should do it but I know that if you just wholesale transplanted my old village into the us it would still be a shit hole. Letting over just a few at a time so we have to learn the ways of the west seems fair. It worked well enough for me.
Civility?
And I suspect that this is how it will go with the more recent immigrant populations. The kids (and grand-kids to a lessor extent) may retain some of the cultural traditions but will be products of the larger society and for the most part will have adopted its values. However, some may be more determined to maintain their cultural heritage and language than others. It's nothing new and it's been part of the American landscape since the beginning.
...so to speak. But I will contribute to that society. I will hopefully at least make an effort to learn the language, because I think I will have a better experience if I do.
When I retire I haven't ruled out becoming an expat and moving somewhere in Central America. Now, that's not quite the same as moving someplace as a young person with the intent of having my decendents grow up there. I will likely go to a region where there a plenty of other non-natives around. I think that's just the natural thing to do. I'd probably be able to get by just fine without ever learning the local language. I'd probably always consider myself an American more than belonging to wherever I end up. I think the older you are, the harder it is to change your identity,
Personally, I don't expect immigrants to "assimilate". I expect them to obey the laws, -which may mean that the have to abandon some practices that were common in their countries. I expect them to pay taxes. I feel blessed if I can enjoy their food and music.
This country is less than 300 years old. It was founded by people who wanted something different than following the religion of their King. (Granted, it was colonized by people who wanted their own Puritan religion, but, well, they grew out of that and rejected both kings and religious tests for office before their descendants actually turned it into a country.)
FWIW, I'm disappointed someone modified you as a troll. As a capitalist, I find your opinion repugnant and dangerous: the notion that religious/ethnic/nationalist tests trump (pun intended) the right of free actors in an economy to trade freely with each other was the foundation of numerous attacks against... well, I suppose you don't care about (((them))) as long as you can take (((their))) money before they leave the Fatherland/Homeland, right?
I disagree with you, but I won't defend to the death your right to say it. I'll just leave and take (((my))) capital with me.
I want to hug you right now.
You mean the rich chinese who bought up all the houses in Vancouver, BC and they all sit there empty?
I hate to tell ya buddy, but it was always that way. Why do you think there are entire neighborhoods of ethnics in places like Chicago and New York? Every immigrant is going to want to be in a place where they can be around their home comforts. You think Americans don't want to also go into a place where there are other like them if they are in Europe? It takes two generations before the assimilation really happens.
Why are there so many low-UID Slashdot users that are die-hard Trump supporters?
The assumption is that you are old enough, experienced enough, and wise enough to recognize the kind of asshole Trump is. Yet here you are supporting him.
Did somebody sell off a lot of low-UID accounts? I'm not going to blame this on age because I know for a fact people who joined Slashdot back then aren't as fucking dumb as you are now. The only other possibility is that some newly-minted shill is using an old account that isn't theirs.
What's your story?
I would like to see a phase out of the H1B, provided that we see more schools having STEM curriculum and we are adding more tech workers to the economy here.
Darn right. Vancouver has some seriously screwed up real estate issues.
The Founding Fathers insistence on the president being a “natural born citizens” was based on a fear that foreigners may be disloyal.
Aiming to have more leaders (in government and companies) that are natural born citizens to maintain "civic society" loyal to the country is not necessarily unreasonable.
Let me get this straight. I'm looking at a post about an article in The Verge that references an article in Washington Post that references a [b]year-old[/b] Breitbart interview they suddenly dug up.
The Verge reproduces two sentences out of 21-minute interview (completely ignoring the rest of it), adds a bunch of framing, adds in some nebulous but scary words and finally turns the whole thing into "Trumpâ(TM)s chief strategist Steve Bannon suggests having too many Asian tech CEOs undermines âcivic society'".
This is pure, unadulterated propaganda.
...
(BTW, I'm failing to locate the quote in the actual interview they link to (on SoundCloud). Jumped around a bit, cannot find where either Trump or Brannon speak about any CEOs. Is it the wrong link? At what time do they talk about this stuff? It mostly deals with international trade deals, TPP and some primaries stuff.)
It never was. The melting pot meme was introduced in american culture by Jewish marxist before world war 2. We wen't thru the most horrible war because of those stupids ideologies.
Sheesh, just ignore them already. Always harping over and over about the SJWs as if they were stalking you or something.
Which is doing a hell of a lot better than some whites here. Ie, those who will bitch about seeing Mexican flags on autos and wondering why they won't assimilate, while at the same time flying the confederate flag and claiming it's just cultural heritage.
Comment removed based on user account deletion
Fuck your melting pot. No one melts anymore. They float like fatty turds to the top and demand special status and recognition. Integration into society is lost on them.
Asians are the last remaining group of immigrants who generally work hard and try to integrate into American society while still maintaining their roots. THAT is why they get ignored and shat on by the media and politicians - they're basically Uncle Toms because they don't serve to drive the narrative they want to push.
They want to push a divisive narrative on race (and sex, and everything else) because it keeps retards like you busy fighting a made up us-vs-them political war while they lie, cheat, and steal the economy and the government out from under you.
""He alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the U.S., instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies," ...or winning Nobel prices for the US.
> What we have in many cases today are people coming here and not assimilating,
No more so than before.
In fact, due to reduced racial barriers, hispanics and asians are assimilating faster than previous immigrants waves.
If you think otherwise, then you are just idealizing a history you are ignorant of.
What happened? Did you have an accident, or was it orchitis?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Racists tend to see everything as black and white. When brown, red, yellow, pink and beige get into the mix, they get all confused and panic.
> When multiple cultures co-exist in the same nation, the self-interest of each group clashes with the self-interest of the others.
Oh puhlease. That's true of any group, ethnic identity is just one way to draw the lines. Go to any ethnically homogenous society and you get the same thing, just the lines are drawn differently. Like catholics versus protestants in ireland. Or dalits versus brahmin in india.
I've lived in a multiethnic state where white people were neither a majority nor even the largest minority. And we get along tons better than any other state in the union. On the playground at school we used to brag about who was the most mixed race. Its taken as a given that mixed kids are the cutest. Its not perfect, because perfection is impossible. We have conflict because humans have conflicts and some groups have received the shorter end of the stick. But the lack of a single dominant ethnic group goes a long, long way to reducing tensions.
So I'm calling bullshit on your beliefs. I've lived the reality, and not only does that shit work, its works better than majority white states.
Comment removed based on user account deletion
Having too many wife beating nazis in positions of authority undermines 'civic authority'.
I think if you're an immigrant from "whereverstan" and land ashore on one of these boats you've mentioned, learn the local language, get selected to attend the top schools, get hired by the best companies and end up running the companies, you've assimilated pretty f*cking well.
Absolutely. When your country attracts immigrants, especially economic immigrants, it benefits the whole of society. Not least because those are the ones that have the ambition, foresight and energy to go for the better opportunities rather than just being satisfied that tomorrow is going to be not much worse than today. Of course, the country that receives immigrants will also have a proportion of people, who are unambitious - and they may well feel that all the new, ambitious people are too "uppity". But is that the fault of the immigrants?
A "melting pot" is a tossed salad. Sure, the tomatoes are touching lettuce, but they are still 100% tomatoes. Sometimes the tomatoes end up clumping together, but it's still a salad.
Learn to love Alaska
Conservative America wouldn't "throw down". 99% of them are in love with Leave it to Beaver, and have no stomach for what the alt-right claims Conservative Americans stand for. They just want a simpler time when it was easy for a college-educated white man to hold a single job and provide for a family as the sole bread winner. They don't want the racism, sexism, and everything else, but would tolerate it if required to get the dream back.
Turn it into a civil war and 99% of the conservatives will back off. Sure, the 1% left would bring it like the gun-toting craze people they are, but nothing turns a Conservative military person Liberal like having to deal with VA, then watching the "pro-military conservatives" cut funding, yet again. The currently serving cops and military may be conservative, but many ex-military (still with guns and such) have "turned" liberal. I think the conservatives would expect an easy time of it, and would have their ass handed to them.
Learn to love Alaska
They aren't Asian CEOs, they are American CEOs (and as an aside "of Asian background"; of a particular gender; and religion (or not); and likes certain types of food etc etc, but each of them are an individual whose ethnic background is merely one facet of their complex personality). Plus, do you know how fricking big Asia is and the amount of diversity it has? It has more people in it than the rest of the world combined. How insular do you have to be to put approx 60% of the world's population into a single bucket?
Plus, to be consistent, you'd want to start labelling white Americans as Europeans and reserve "American" (apologies to those in the rest of the Americas) without qualifiers for Native American Indians. And also mention that having too many European politicians, managers, teachers, lawyers, police, actors/actresses is also bad for Civic Society.
Sheesh. Lastly this guy isn't a random idiot. There are plenty of those around the world, of all ethnic background. He's (soon enough) a high-ranking personnel in the US government's executive branch voted in by a substantial portion of American citizens and by any reasonable account, representative of approximately half the American populace.
Aaah right, gotta get the terminology right. If a democrat is president or white people are doing it then it's patriotic protest, but if black people do it or a republican is president then it's 'hooligan's rioting'.
Just like when a muslim crashes a plane on purpose it's 'terrorism' but when a white guy crashes a plane on purpose it's 'mental illness'. | I don't recall a single MSM headline that called the German pilot who deliberately flew a plane into a mountain 2 years ago a terrorist - even though he clearly was.
Or how if a white guy walks into a restaurant with a loaded AR-15 with the safety off it's "open carry" but if a black man does the same it's "armed and dangerous" and soon to be "shot by police" (and as recent history shows -the 'black man' need not be a man 'ten your old boy' will do, and the 'gun' doesn't even have to be real, a toy gun, or even an imaginary gun, will do just as well.
Or how, when a black president does not attribute the behaviour of a small number of assholes to an entire religion he is 'too wimpy to say "radical islamic terrorism"' but when the FBI publishes a study that finds 'rightwing white militias are the number one greatest threat to American national security' the republicans in congress actively suppress publication of the report and that's NOT considered a cover-up ?
At least TRY to pretend you are not maintaining a double standard.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Aren't these people needed desperately in their own countries? If all the most intelligent people leave Africa, India and 'Asian' countries to come to European countries, what happens to the people left behind? Fewer doctors and nurses, fewer computer programmers, fewer scientists.
They are allowed to come here because big business thinks it can save some money by hiring them, that's why. We ALL lose out in the end, and big business wins...
I never thought i'd live to see the day where racism and xenophobia are not only supported but *gasp* celebrated by a majority. The scary thing is how well euphemisms like "civic society" seem to work on a lot of people.
I mean, Trump appointed the chairman of fucking Breitbart as his chief strategist. Whiskey tango foxtrot?!
And what happens when you put things into a "melting pot"? They blend together and homogenize.
And dilute the master race?
>That's not racism or "white nationalism", it's the whole fucking point of having a country and has been for 3000 years.
Appeal to tradition fallacy - not to mention a rather disingenious argument because, if that's really true, then why the fuck BOTHER to have countries anymore ? Cultures can exist without them - and many cultures exist in several countries or none. So clearly they aren't actually useful for the job - and all the resources we waste on having countries could instead be spent on actually protecting cultures, which raises the question of whether we ought to be doing THAT ? And if so - why we shouldn't focus most of our energy on cultures that are far more endangered than American culture - particularly those which American culture displaced in the first place ?
I assume of course you are consistent in your views and if the Cherokee people (for example) demanded their ancestral land back to build a new Cherokee country governed by and for the protection of their culture - you would defend their claim ?
Why should they allow a bunch of a European immigrants to keep displacing them and literally rule their country ?
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Oh no, if you have ANY part of your heritage left, if you even remember what you country your ancestors came from - then you haven't 'assimilated'... you have to be like a white American and ONLY like a white American to count. You can't also have a Japanese heritage you keep alive, or an Indian one or an Indonesian one.
Oddly, when recent European immigrants (especially Western European ones) keep THEIR herritage alive - that gets celebrated, and in fact, Americans adopt parts of their culture INTO the melting pot.
Weird how when the Irish brought St. Patricks Day and Halloween America as a whole adopted those.
The melting pot used to be a two-way exchange, but now apparently it's meant to be a one-way white supremacist domination.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
While you join up for your free trial, you may be capable of X-Ripped receive more records approximately the special applications available. each bundle consists of weekly conferences together with your counselor, and assist with putting in a customized, healthy menu. the biggest difference inside the applications is how long you plan on following the program. your weight loss dreams, mixed together with your food plan and exercising plan, will determine how lengthy you need to live with the program. http://musclegainfast.com/x-ri...
Unfortunately, when you look at the people who've graduated from Harvard Business School, it really appears as if their admissions standards needs re-evaluating. Their only criteria seems to be is if they think the candidate has a good chance of being "successful" later in life. Since the number one predictor (in the U.S. at least) of success isn't intelligence or diligence or "talent" but rather how successful (or rich) your dad was, they've let in some sorry characters. I believe George "Gentleman's 'C'" Bush is one of them. And, of course, once you're in and paying $50,000 a year, you're likely not to be kicked out. (It's not the Law or Medical School, cash is king).
At least character estimation is an important consideration when admitting students as undergraduates into Harvard College (I'm an interviewer, that's my job). We're supposed to look for people who "you'd like to have as your roommate" (it's the Turing test for personality :). Of course, Harvard does have its issues with "legacy" candidates and they do tend to give the children of extremely prominent people a closer look (like the Obama's kids) but they are certainly not fixated on one metric (like grades or SAT scores).
You've gotta be kidding right? "Anti-science" liberal culture? Being a scientist (just performed the first nanopore DNA sequencing in Vietnam!) who graduated from the top liberal arts school in the world (it always ranks number one or two, sorry Stanford!), let me tell you that our culture is far far from anti-science. For example our university has the most Nobel prize winners in the world. (Speaking of which, so how many Nobel laureates supported Trump again?).
(I also studied Architecture while a graduate and took a fair amount of general design courses so I certainly think I qualify as being in touch with my touchy-feely liberal side). Anyway, even the quickest most cursory (that means brief by the way) search would show that there is an extremely high correlation between scientists and in general well educated people being liberal. Unfortunately, you don't sound like either
I'll take it one step further and suggest that "assimilation" is an anti-American concept.
Generations of immigrants who didn't even teach their children their language because they wanted them to sound more American suggests otherwise. People used to be proud to become American. Now, not so much. Forcing assimilation is unamerican. But choosing to assimilate is very much an American value.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
My US Grandpa worked at Grumman Aircraft and helped building the Lunar Lander.
My US Great Grand Aunt was a Secretary of President Roosevelt.
My dad worked with NASA.
As a kid and teenager I was a very very proud american citizen, even though I lived abroad most of my life (I'm German now, for reasons unrelated to this post)
When my mom and my dad were in the US in Texas in the early '70ies , my mom worked the night-shift at a diner near Houston. During the day she would work part-time protocolling the radio transmitions of the Apollo missions, a job she had gotten through the contact of my dad, who was working at NASA at the time. We had a house in Clear-Lake-City, the engineers city Houston had build for the NASA employees.
There were two incidents she told me about a few times:
Once she was working the late shift at the Diner again and a bunch of men came in, and started asked my mom if she knew of some German lady working somewhere in a Diner not wearing a bra. It was a shock to my mom that some unknow group of men had gone out for a ride to come look for her because someone had spread the work *that she wasn't wearing a bra*. My mom speaks accent free english and said she'd never heard of anything like that. Please note: Not wearing a bra was perfectly normal in most parts of the western world in the 60ies and 70ies, but in totally backwards rural Texas it was considered a sensation/scandal.
Another time she was tending to african-american guests and talking and joking with them when an older cowboy got up in the middle of his meal, slammed money on the table and left without a word. My mom was bedazzled about what had gone wrong and the black people told her that white people don't talk to black people in these parts and that her behaviour was very unusual by rural Texas standards. Medieval standards, no less.
Fastforward into the early 80ies, smack in the middle of the cold war and nuclear exchange always looming we lived near Bonn in western Germany and my mom used to say that the Russians weren't the problem. But a USA turning fascist - that should be the thing to be afraid of. Very afraid.
My mom is a smart woman.
And I have to say, heaven help us all if it's the USAs turn to try out fascism.
And I know perfectly 'normal' nice people can turn into something far beyond anything one might call 'savage'. If you come to Germany today, you wouldn't think for a moment that our ancestors are responsible for the most extreme atrocities ever commited by and to humanity.
I'm actually staying paranoid and have been for the past 2.5 decades, ready to move out of Europe and to Patagonia or something, should fascism and xenophobia start to spread out in Europe and other parts of the western world again. And my buddies are starting to understand.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I am personally no longer able to tell whether posts like these are ironic satire, or actually completely serious.
I want the world to stop going crazy.
"found that 27 percent of professionals working in Silicon Valley companies were Asian or Asian-American. They represented less than 19 percent of managers and under 14 percent of executives, according to the report."
Its because the rest are Jews.
I think it is just as likely that the speaker was going to assert that the "Asians going to their home" countries would substantially improve things in those places like rule of law, just law, quality of life, and opportunity in native countries where some of the most basic rights don't exist (think of child sex trafficking in Thailand) and the large majority of the opportunity doesn't exist either.
Society needs to hang the hateful scum who want to do ordinary Americans down and replace them with Asians (or indeed anyone else). Treachery is not an acceptable political position.
I actually saw the full context and Steve Bannon wasn't doing anything to bash Asians or even cast things in this light. This is more of the lying media reporting their slanted opinions and bashing Trump and his people. Get over it! You lost - go cry like the children you are - no one listens to you, you (the media) needs to be confined to the trash-heap of history. Trump will tweet out the truth - so we don't have to listen to the lies all the time...
If there's not enough blacks, it's racist and we need more. If there's not enough women, it's sexist and we need more. If there's not enough whites, it's evil you nazi!
I've looked back through this thread and can't for the life of me figure out who SJW is that you are responding to .... is it someone you just made up?
I'm with Trump, not Bannon, on this one. .
Sorry. Bannon is part of the package. You don't get to choose ala-carte.
I'm talking about a culture that reflexively jumps to the maximum fear setting when any scientific/technical subject comes up. Anti-genetic engineering, anti-vax, anti-space programs (even when done privately), anti-nuclear (even in the face of their own politically motivated hysteria on carbon). There are towns whose children's' teeth are rotting out of their heads because they stopped fluoridating the water after somebody on the village council read "Dr" Mercola's website.
The latest foreboding movement to come out of this culture is the abandonment of actual science in fighting environmental battles at places like Ivanpah, Maunakea and Standing Rock. Instead of arguing about observable levels of a pollutant or the statistical risk of transportation alternatives, we're being subjected to vague claims that various pieces of land are "sacred" to some group which never took an interesting the area before being whipped up by out-of-state radicals.
Scientists should be more active in standing up for science and its applications. One example: If you're working in California, that would have meant standing up for high-speed rail, and using the rational, scientific part of the climate argument to do it.
So according to Steven Bannon we can't have a "civic society" in America if there are areas whose population aren't a majority of whites.
That pretty much reflects the attitude of a substantial portion of the republican party and it's a big part of what got Trump elected.
I expected a more sophisticated racist euphemism from a Harvard-educated man.
Why? He's in a position of power now and has the ear of the president-elect so why would you expect him to be circumspect?
You respect and protect that by allowing other cultures to continue to immigrate and contribute to that culture.
And yet we elected a president who campaigned on exactly the opposite position. Namely keep the brown skinned people down/out and return our country to a false version of the 1950s when everything seemed great if you were a white man.
I agree with Mr. Bannon wholeheartedly. I see no benefit to America in promoting the careers of these transnational aliens at the expense of our own people.
What we have in many cases today are people coming here and not assimilating, simply continuing to live as they did in their native countries creating these pockets of culture that are in many cases incompatible with American culture.
Incompatible with whose "American culture"? Yours? There is no single American culture and never has been. Culture in Texas is hugely different than culture in Ohio which is hugely different than culture in Montana. Black people have a distinct culture just as white people do. Spanish speaking americans are just as american as english speaking ones. Immigrants with different backgrounds and beliefs have always been here. Just because you couldn't be bothered to pay them any attention means you missed the point entirely. We absorb bits of their culture just like they absorb parts of ours. That's why they call it a melting pot. There is no such thing as "incompatible with American culture" because American culture is not a single thing and never has been.
Stay strong. 4 years form now you hopefully will get another shot to make your country great again.
Don't have to wait that long. There is an election in 2 years. We can put a big roadblock in front of Trump by voting the opposition into power in either wing of congress.
Actually the interesting election will be the 2020 election, particularly at the state level because that is the one which determines who gets to gerrymander the districts for the next 10 years. The republicans got to do it in 2010 and that is why they continue to hold congress. Personally I'm hoping Trump is a train wreck and the democrats take him to the woodshed in the next few elections.
Really? Bias? How do you think that the right wing media got pictures of Obama using a smaller jet to go to NYC on a night out? The press always follows around the POTUS, it's the job that never ends.
Even if what you say were true, and it isn't... Spreading and profiting from this stuff makes him morally bankrupt, which might be even worse! So he's a racist and has no moral values whatsoever. He's as bad as Adolf Hitler, and so is Trump.
Whenever there's a purportedly "racist" outcome in some industry, be it housing or credit or tech jobs, the cry of "disproportionate representation" goes up along with demands that the work-force or customer base be somehow rebalanced so that what amount to racial quotas can be attained.
But when counter-examples are raised, say, the NBA or Silicon Valley CEOs, any attempt to even raise them as counter examples is itself branded racist. Because in those cases, clearly it is just the best and brightest succeeding on their merit. Only those *other* things are rigged.
I find it somewhat laughable that anyone would really try to argue that the NBA be forced to hire and play more white players so that white players are represented in their proportion of the population, but few people bat an eye when quotas are called for in other areas.
I really don't understand why American's beat themselves up on so many issues. Does America have a culture? Of course, and it is very clear to those of us that do not live there. We may not like all of it, but who likes all of any culture? In it's short history, it has contributed more - given the time-span - to art, literature, music, science and politics than than any other culture in the history of the world. I am British and we have many things to be proud of but we have had thousands of years. America has done more in a few hundred years that benefits mankind than any other nation. Trump and others are not the end of anything, just another step for that great nation.
He can pretend to be one, and he can do bad press to white nationalists, but he will never be one, because jhews aren't white.
He complains as a jhewish nationalist, that yellow nationalists are taking over the white feeding grounds from them, and try to use whites to remove them. Like NATO in The Middle East on Ishraels enemies.
Russia is strictly speaking, a Eurasian country. Culturally, it is European, but the fact that >70% of their area is in Asia makes them that.
there are a small group of linguists, primarily Indian nationalists,
You don't need to pull your punches with "Indian nationalists". You're referring to the 'hindu fundamentalists', more easily understood with the phrase 'hindu taliban'.
...as well, which is why the election of Mr. Trump was such a surprise to the leftist brow-beaters.
I think what he meant was that ethnic Chinese/Indian/other Asian CEOs - regardless of whether they are citizens or not - support the H1B program not just for financial reasons, but also for cultural reasons: they want to get more of their ethnic compatriots here.
I read the full transcript of the conversation b/w Bannon and Trump, which happened when Trump called his radio show. Part of it is given above. The difference b/w them is on OPT authorizations of F1 visa extensions, whereby foreign students on F1 visas who graduate from US universities get a 1-2 year permit to legally work in the US. In terms of skills, they are at par w/ their US classmates, while being far less picky about employers (as a former OPT from the 90s, speaking from experience). This is where there is a break b/w Trump vs some people, like Bannon, Jeff Sessions and Ted Cruz, all of the latter who are opposed to OPT students continuing to work and become citizens. Not taking one side or another, just stating what it is.
If Trump wants his way, here is a way to sort this out. Right now, once the OPT period of a student ends, he can either leave the country, or his employer has to get an H1B visa, for which it has to get in line w/ the rest. Instead, if they introduce a new transitional visa b/w OPT and Permanent Resident/Citizen, that keeps that lane completely separate from the H1B visa lane. Unlike H1B workers who are offshore employees of companies who are brought here and who do bring down wages, OPT workers start on par w/ Americans, and it's only cheaper to hire them once they have to go on H1Bs. But in terms of skills, they are not like offshore workers i.e. an Indian who gets a CS degree in a US university is far more skilled than somebody run through the motions at HCL or Tech Mahindra. So it makes sense to treat them differently. I'm more w/ Trump on this than I'm w/ Bannon
The same argument was just voiced by the other side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
simply continuing to live as they did in their native countries creating these pockets of culture
every wave of immigration did that.
EVERY.
SINGLE.
ONE.
that are in many cases incompatible with American culture
That exact phrase was said about every wave of immigration.
Again: EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
and it was just as bigoted then as it is now.
Define American culture?
Prior to the Irish and Italians showing up, it was predominantly protestant, and Catholics were seen as subversive undesirable elements.
Now no one cares.
Prior to the construction of the railroad, and its coincidental timing with the first waves of Chinese immigrants (which caused further immigration because "hey guys there's jobs here!"), Chinese cuisine was utterly foreign, and initially there attempts to regulate and even prohibit it, because it was seen as somehow unfit for America.
Now everyone loves it.
Every wave of immigration has a similar story, of some aspect of their culture being deemed un-American at first.
Current waves are no different, and neither will be future waves.
what you folks miss is that assimilation is a multigenerational process that is nearly the same every time.
and if anything, the immigrants you complain about today actually assimilate faster than previous waves did, because both English and things you consider "western" or "American" values are actually more widespread around the world now.
again: this is a fault in our education system and curriculums.
people don't learn about the Irish and Polish and Italian ghettos of New York City, where thousands of people rarely if ever spoke English, other than the children, and lived culturally traditional lives only slightly changed from their home country to accommodate their new living conditions. People know longer know that for several decades the predominant language in the Midwest was actually Dutch and/or German!
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
That racial nonsense needs to be in the trash can. If anything we should be seeking out the best students in Asian Universities and paying them to immigrate into the US. Those guys can be remarkable scholars as can scholars from Pakistan and India. Bright people are our future and we need to get as many as we possibly can just to survive in this troubled world.
Deplorable: You are a middle class worker, who pays taxes, and have no right to have any say in how government works. Keep working, paying your taxes so we can use it to sell favors to foreign donors that go right into our wallets, and we will not be held accountable no matter how corrupt we become. If you do attempt to hold us accountable, or dare complain about how you are treated, we will remind you that other people used to own slaves and you are racists.
The rest of what you said is an attempt to say the above and sound "smart" about it. Apparently people are fed up with it, so go right ahead and keep calling middle class tax payers racists and telling them they have no right to have a say in the government. There are still a few DNC held seats in Congress that can still be lost.
It'll be interesting to see the alt-right portion of the slashdot crowd defend this racist scumbag.
By interesting, I mean embarrassing to humanity.
Bannon brought out a fair concern - whether it's legit or not depends on one's POV. His implication was that ethnic Asian CEOs (including Chinese, Indians and other Asians here) are trying to bring in their ethnic compatriots into their companies in order to be culturally more at ease, but in the process, altering the ethnic make-up of the country. Like for instance, a Chinese CEO having his company apply for H1B visas for Chinese left & right, not just for financial reasons - that they accept less and work more - but also to be able to have more Mandarin speaking people around him. Whether that is true or not would vary anecdotally.
If his assumption is true, then it is fair to ask - should the role of CEOs be to try to alter the ethnic makeup of the US through immigration?
If you were an American suburban high-school graduate attending college for the first time, tell me you didn't curse the Asian kids who regularly blew the bell curve. That said, why Americans didn't learn anything about focus, hard work, and determination from that experience is the question the American educational system should be asking.
What about Accord society, or CR-V society. Aren't those undermined as well?
Hmm, PopeShillzo. "Pope". You know where you end up doing those kinds of things, don't you? Glass houses and all that...
Except that in the excerpt above, they disagree: Trump in favor of F1 students staying on and ultimately becoming citizens, while Bannon disagrees
It's always funny to me how, in confrontations, neither side acknowledges they can lose. Like right here. We have left vs. right literally threatening war on each other, and both are pontificating about how their victory is already assured.
I read a thing once about how the the less knowledgeable and experienced speak with greater confidence than those with greater knowledge and experience. It was posited that the less-experienced saw things simply, and believed they understood the situation completely. The wiser however, knew from experience that no matter how complete their understanding was that there would always be gaps of the unknown from which surprises that might radically alter the situation could arise. Therefore, they would speak with less confidence, being humbled by the knowledge that there were factors beyond their grasp. Unfortunately, people respond very well to confidence.
Look, the left and the right both need to stand the fuck down. The campaigns of Trump and Sanders made it clear to me that the people (not the party elites, the people) on both sides of the aisle are pretty pissed off with the current state of affairs. It seems like nearly everyone can agree that we need some changes, now we're just haggling over what those changes need to be.
The election is over, we don't need to start a goddamn civil war over it. Let's face it, no matter who we elected, something was going to get fucked up. It was just a choice between which things. 4 years of leadership that you disagree with is NOT cause for the kinds of hostility on display lately. If you're REALLY pissed off, then get involved in the process. Support candidates you agree with at ALL levels of government. Don't just come out for the presidential race, or vote for someone because 'the other guy is worse'. Support candidates YOU ACTUALLY AGREE WITH at ALL LEVELS, local, state, and national. Do it BEFORE THE ELECTIONS, before the pool of candidates has been winnowed down to one per party. Then maybe, come election time, you'll have a choice you actually make with pride, instead of fear. You know what? Maybe we should all do that. I'd love to see an election where I like the candidates on both sides, and have a tough choice because I agree with policies of both, and don't disdain the policies of either.
Liberals and big corporations (HA! go figure) want us to be globalists yet nobody else is play by those rules.
Assimilation of culture is not the point. Assimilation of values is.
Americans expect immigrants to assimilate to American values, such as freedom of expression, religion, and association.
The things that get people riled up about immigrants either violate one of those core values (outrage over honor killings, for example), or are just economic protectionism in disguise (this crap about "too many" asian CEO's).
The Amish are a good example. Divergent culture and religion, even language (they often don't speak a lot of english at home, and even refer to other white people as 'the English'). No reasonable person has a problem with the Amish existing in America, being citizens, etc. While insular, they don't oppose anyone else. They don't try to force their ways on the larger society. They're peaceful.
Contrast that with some pockets of immigrants (legal or otherwise) or refugees. Most are actually fairly reasonable, granted. There are some, though, who not only resist their own conversion as the Amish do. They also try to force their beliefs, values, and way of life on others. Sometimes by force, sometimes by trying to twist the legal system. Any attempt to impose religious values through the American legal system (be they Islamic, Christian, or Pastafarian) is a hostile act in my book.
Personally, I like that we have so many pockets of so many different cultures. It's one thing that keeps life from getting stale. I'm all for letting people in and speak their own languages and practice their own cultures. As long as they follow the example of the Amish and do so PEACEFULLY.
Look at AmiMojo's sig. SJW = Someone I don't like and by the way I'm a fuckwit.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Just like Craig/C2. :) => FREE ENERGY for Coprorations/companies/MANuFacturing Using Solar/Wind Turbines, etc
Republican don't understand the Common Core of Education && decided to keep it out of the school. The afterMath is that, we will have more Foreign Leaders in our companies ie CEO, President, Senior Managers. It's our Parties own fault for being bias towards others && other parties that might have a better idea.
The party needs to flush the SuperPac && Lobbyist down the toilet && imbrace beter ideas. Hell, I can make American geat again. I know that exact laws to create between the party lines. Yeah, right down the middle without leaning all the way to the left or all the way to the right.
1. Get rid of the GREEDy politicians
2. Make sure there is a law to prevent Politicians, etc from getting more than their Salary && Benefit Package like Health Care/Retirement Account.
3. Invest in the countries infastructure ie Better Transportation to ship Products && Services.
4. Invest in the countries infastructure ie Alternative you know what
5. Reduce price of Education so the talented can get a degree or certification to jump into the work force .
6. Increase TAXes. Why? It gives companies a watery salivating mouth of I want that. ie Tax incentives which companies love.
7. Why companies will Fly Away... Tax rate near 0%. Means [No incentives, Bad Transportation infrastrucre, Work Force lack of skills && education, etc]
8, Why is all the monies made in Democratic States?
9. Bannon, If companies cannot find talent in the future via Common Core of Education, via Where are Republicans, lets teach the kids like this.....
9. Either Foreign workers will take over American or We can create Laws allowing Wall Street to invest in Foriegn companies so that they can buy American Companies like IBM/Lenovo, etc.
10. Be come a Smart person. ie Don't be bias, racist. The mentaliticy of competition some times will distroy that person or their own team.
11. Find a peaceful religion. If you cannot find it through Christianity then look else where like Buddhism. (Peaceful religion)
12. I hope this 11 Step to healing thy self && the Nation is useful.
That's it? That's the most racist thing you can find this guy saying, some ambiguous non-sequitur? Sheesh!
The problem is that it is not a "melting pot" anymore. The left, and therefore academia and the media believe America should be a mosaic, not a melting pot.If you don't understand the difference, and you aren't alone, that is why the country is being changed. We can be a multi-ethnic society, not a multi-cultural society. No multi-cultural society has lasted for any length of time. If a nation does not believe in the same culture/laws/morals/ethics it will not survive unless one group becomes dominant. If all cultures are equal, do you think it has only been financial incentive that has caused so many people to leave their own country for the US?
The dude on CNN tried his best to say with a straight face how the American people NEED to know "how long the dinner was, where he went, what time it was until, etc"
It's hard to believe that piece of shit network is still on television.
You forget Fox is the grand daddy of sh*t news, Obama had to endure manufactured outrage for eight years.
He saluted a soldier while holding his coffee cup and putting on sun glasses while alighting from Air force one.
How unamerican and unpresidential to salute a soldier while holding your coffee?
To be fair the quotation in the summary isn't actually in the quotation in the articles linked. Bannon is a shitheel but this is one case of them putting words in someones mouth. The actual quote is:
Bannon responded: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think ... ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”
still a racist ass but not at all what the summary nor the headlines are claiming.
Thank you, this post shows you are a true patriot and a real American.
Cheap storage VM.
So his statement is racist but when someone says there aren't enough black\women\Hispanics CEO's that isn't. When too many CEOs are white old men, that isn't an issue. But if you say there are too many (insert any other demographic) then it is suddenly xenophobic nationalist? How about the statement "there are too many foreign asian executives compared to domestic black executive?" Now what?
Actually nationalism itself is a form of racism in my opinion. And even if it's not racism it's still pretty low. I mean the typical nationalist doesn't care anything about human beings not part of their country .. that seems unethical to me. I mean, if you only care about your own family but don't care at all about your neighbor that's pretty evil.
No, Nationalism is simply putting your own country first ahead of others. In principle, it's fine to care about people from all sorts of countries. But when people in one's own country are suffering, it's perfectly legitimate to prioritize and champion their compatriots above people from other countries
How is that any different? Most 2nd generation immigrants don't speak anything other then English. I am, and I don't.
My Maternal Grandparents never spoke English, I never learned Spanish. My Mother was the first in her family born in the US, her brothers fought in VIetnam, her husband (my father), served 20 years in the military. So far, 3 of her kids have also served.
Cheap storage VM.
Assimilation is a long term process, most 2nd generation immigrants don't speak their grandparent's language. Hispanics seem to buck this trend some, they are often fluent in both, but mostly identify as American.
Cheap storage VM.
Desire to kill other people is not normal behavior. The German pilot didn't do it for political reasons, he was suicidal. Taking other people with him is murder-suicide, but since he didn't do it on ethical or moral grounds I wouldn't call it terrorism. A guy walking into a bar and yelling "Allah u Akbar," pledging himself to ISIS and then opening fire when he has no ties to ISIS or even really Islam and really just wants to kill a bunch of people and get himself killed in a hail of bullets is also mentally ill. The same guy with radical indoctrination deciding a bar is a house of sin even if just because of the alcohol being sold there and then shooting it up because he's promised a bunch of virgin women to boink in heaven is a terrorist (well, OK, I technically don't know if those virgin women are for sex - in my mind it always seemed to be implied).
I've never lived anywhere with open carry laws, and when I have been to places like Texas, I've never seen anyone openly carrying, thankfully. When I go to places like Mexico and there are armed guards with assault rifles patrolling the streets it is unnerving. They're all armed and dangerous in my mind. Shooting a black man (or Mexican or whatever) in Texas for open carry is racism and a double standard. If that guy is shot because of it, even by police, that person/officer should go to jail for breaking their own laws.
Doing things because your ancestors did things a certain way is the worst reason to do something.
That does not mean that what they did was bad (or good) just that now things are different and should be looked at on how the situation is now.
The ancesters allowed slavery. They did not allow women to vote. They allowed smoking MaryJane and even allowed smoking tobacco inside of restaurants and at work.
If you think you must look at what the ancestors did, you are not allowed to pick and choose. Either take it all or nothing. I say take nothing and decide for yourself and build the country YOU want, not the country THEY wanted.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
+1: Wish I had mod points.
The very premise that pushing away other cultures is racist/evil while embracing them is appropriation is incredibly conflicted and entirely a matter of talking out both sides of your mouth at once.
... showing the world that you know shit about the history of the USA.
I suggest having even one "alt-right" person in our government undermines civic society. Just sayin'.
Then I've never ever heard an SJW, strange that given according to your ilk they are everywhere always complaining...
Grow up.
Then you've never attended college in recent years. I've heard plenty of them pissing and moaning about "white privilege" and "cultural appropriation" since I decided to go back to school. There are even recent cases of harassment and assault of white students for having dreads because even that is considered "cultural appropriation".
No, YOU need to grow up and release the extreme views that the left (especially the naive younger lefties) has started to champion are the reason the alt-right crowd exists. I don't consider myself "alt-right", more of a simple Libertarian.
What does any of the stuff I wrote have to do w/ the history of the US?
Because all those Yankees fans are white and not a single minority plays baseball....wow...
Yet SJW's whine about "cultural appropriation" all the time. How can it be a melting pot is "cultural appropriation" is evil?
Melting pot is adoption, not appropriation, would be the general response. Wearing an indian feathered headdress because you think it looks cool would be appropriation. Wearing an indian feathered headdress because you went to the pow wows and earned it would be adoption.
> I don't remember seeing dinner coverage of President-Elects Bush or Obama.
And yet the press pool was always there.
The reason the press pool follows them around is in case something noteworthy happens.
A major national crisis—a terrorist attack, an assassination attempt, an international coup, or military conflict—can happen at literally any moment. Historically, the press pool has always been on hand to attempt to document the president’s immediate reaction or state in moments of crisis. This is not because they are a bunch of prying ninnies, but because it’s important in our Democracy for the public to have access to this information.
The press pool was there to document the assassination of the JFK. The press pool was the reason we had video of Bush blanking out in front of a kindergarten class when he was informed of the 9/11 attacks. The press pool was the reason we had video of Reagan getting shot. Of Bush senior going bushuru. Its the reason Trump was able to complain that Obama played too much golf - because the press pool documented. And Clinton giving the press pool the slip because she fainted at the 911 memorial was considered an outrage by the pro-trump media.
Again, this is not about an invasion of privacy. Presidents, presidential candidates, and president-elects can dictate what part of their private lives are “off the record” and thus not to be photographed or reported on unless a news emergency happens. For example, when he was campaigning for president, then-Sen. Obama made his workouts off the record in his “protective pool.”
So people being harassed for "cultural appropriation" for having dreadlocks is an appropriate response? What if my wife were to harass a black woman for straightening her hair? Or if I harassed a native American for wearing a western-style business suits without attending a board meeting, business function or office interview? Or a rap fan for wearing a Slayer T-shirt? Or if a religious nutter harasses people who decorate their house with crosses without attending a Christian church?
In short, I'll "appropriate" whatever the hell I want. Chances are, those cultures ripped it off from some other culture (modern or ancient) along the way anyway.
It isn't really any different. Immigrants, with a few notable exceptions, will assimilate into the larger culture. Anti-immigrant sentiment, by the way, is very old, and early versions of it have eerily similar overtones to the current hysteria over Muslims and Mexicans. A century or so ago, it was the fear of Irish and to some extent of Eastern European immigrants, not to mention on the Pacific coast of North America, fears about Asians, and in particular Chinese. There were similar fears of the white man being outbred. I remember looking at magazines from the turn of the 20th century being fearful of the "Yellow Hoard". Immigrants are often tarred with nefarious intentions, and often the misbehavior of some small group of an ethnic population are used to slander the entire group.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I'll admit, I feel for the click bait title.
"While Bannon didn't explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea"
So why is this newsworthy?
No beer and no TV make Homer something something
Most of what you list has little to do with liberal or conservative.
The strongest anti-vax, anti-GMO person I know is a strong right-wing conservative preacher. I don't know if he's anti-space, but I don't think he much cares for it, nor do I know for sure if he's anti-nuclear but given his other positions, it wouldn't surprise me.
There is an anti-intellectual movement on both sides of the political aisle, separate and motivated by very different things, but that come to essentially the same result.
So saying "liberal anti-science culture" is only hitting half of the anti-science culture. I also, just anecdotally, think the liberal anti-science culture accepts a lot more actual science than the conservative anti-science culture, much of which believes patently absurd things like the earth is only 6500 years old.
Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
Perhaps they are indeed, and you don't have enough of the aforementioned traits to truly understand their position?
http://cylan.deviantart.com/gallery/
You ignorant slut.
Would slashdot still be outraged if he said "white men" instead?
Or would they be cheering?
On the right, the only set of anti-science positions that are part of a culture are the Biblical literalists of Christian fundamentalism. They have always been around, living in a world of their own that has never been able to gather the media influence it takes to become a legislative and legal power. Outside the churches, anti-science sentiment on the right is a scattered series of one-offs: the climate denialists, some "alternative" medicine men, desert conspiracy bloggers, et. al. Climate denialism only thrives as a political reaction to the screechy arrogance of climate activists, who unlike the scientists, embrace climate change only as their latest we're all gonna-die scenario.
It is on the left that being against every application of science it becomes aware of, and most recently against science itself, has become a default setting, with its own standing army of lawyers ready to prevent anything whatever from being built. This culture has even resurrected one of those old right-wing one-offs from circa 1953, the John Birch Society's anti-fluoride movement, and started the long march through the city councils it will take to knock off dental care.
and I mean that. My family got hit with two major illnesses in 2008 right when the entire US economy collapsed thanks to Bush jr deregulating the main street and Walstreet banks. So fuck off.
I vote. I work hard. I convince numskulls like you what's in your own interests (assuming your not a Russian shill). What I can't abide by is having to compete with slave labor. 97% of Indians make less than $3950/yr. That little gem of a statistic is brought to you by CNN and the recent brouhaha over their attempts to get the remaining 3% to pay some mother fucking taxes. I can't compete with that. I can't compete with a country that still calls people "untouchable" (yeah, I know they're all equal now. Tell that to black men in the American south while you're at it).
You can't compete with that either if you live in the states. The 1% are gonna eat you alive. Enjoy a slow, painful death you dipshit. My anger's placed right where it needs to be.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
What's not true? He may be evil, but if you were to call Trump a purple monster, I'd correct you that most call him orange, not purple.
Your answer is "you are wrong. The facts don't matter. My opinion is more correct than any facts you could present." Though you didn't mention where I was wrong, nor what the truth is, only that it doesn't matter to you.
Learn to love Alaska
Comment removed based on user account deletion
I didn't support either of those ass-clowns. I'm not a Trump supporter in the least and I didn't vote for him. I don't support the leftists and I don't support Christian Nationalism. I'm just a simple Libertarian.
And yeah, I'm fairly old and experienced enough to realize the road to hell is paved with good intentions that are eventually used to inflict mass tyranny by the next guy. If you like anti-"hate speech", blasphemy laws and far left-leaning governments that coddle their citizens, I hear the EU is pretty nice.
You can feel that I'm "dumb" because I'm more than willing to let anyone "appropriate" any part of my culture that they like regardless of their race or class. You can feel that I'm an idiot for not identifying with a bunch of brats on an Ivy League campus I could never hope to attend screaming about "white privilege". You can think I'm an idiot for not giving a shit about "hate speech" because driving bigotry underground is dangerous. But you know what? That's your right and I won't stop you from being naive, young and stupid. After all, this is America.
Get a grip, not everyone in the tech industry is a left-leaning, over-sensitive cry-baby.
>A country is more than an economy. We're a civic society.
It means exactly that. There's more to a country than money and business. There's a culture that should be respected and protected. Sitting back quietly while a major national industry is overtaken by people from different cultures who only came to America to go to school and get rich and may or may not have any intention of assimilating is hardly protecting our culture.
Well, maybe that "culture" should do more and step up to the plate. Secondly, you are making a pretty stupid assumption that these different cultures may or may not want to assimilate. Based on what do you spout such shit? They came, they worked, got rich and founded companies. I'd say they assimilated pretty fucking well. Or does assimilation means do nothing and wait for jobs to come back from China?
That's not racism or "white nationalism", it's the whole fucking point of having a country and has been for 3000 years.
And countries change. Empires and nations have for ages imported the best artisans and engineers they could find and afford. That is part of nation building. Nation building never stops. Again, if people have a problem because Ling and Kumar burn the midnight oil and get rich and build shit from scratch, maybe they should shut the fuck out, do the same and show the world how this shit is supposed to be done.
This is really what some of us are talking about. Immigrants used to come to America and assimilate into the culture (my ancestors included). What we have in many cases today are people coming here and not assimilating, simply continuing to live as they did in their native countries creating these pockets of culture that are in many cases incompatible with American culture. Slow the influx of people, vet for people who want to be a productive part of our society, and help them assimilate.
That is absolute bullshit. We have Chinese, Romanians, Russians, Indians, Hispanics, and American "natives" living alongside in pretty much every metropolitan area. Yeah, there are frictions, just like there are frictions when you put millions of people together. But guess what? The live, they work, they live they work, day after day.
There are no riots or shit. People mind their own business and do their own shit.
The whole "not assimilating" thing is just bullshit spouted by people who simply can't stand seeing people who pray different or look different or just happened to have a different accent.
And the ability for all those people, all that new Babel, just working and moving forward like normal people would, that's just a big fucking existential threat to whatever it is that they pass as their identity.
Stop spouting that shit. Get some counseling.
I am not mad at you that Clinton lost. I am unconcerned that we have different politics. And I don't think less of you because you vote one way and I vote another. No... I think less of you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him. I think less of you because you saw a man spouting clear racism and backed him. I think less of you because you listened to him advocate for war crimes, and still thought he should run this country. I think less of you because you watched him equate a woman's worth to her appearance and got on board. It isn't your politics that I find repulsive. It is your personal willingness to support racism, sexism, and cruelty. You sided with a bully when it mattered and that is something I will never forget. So, no... you and I won't be "coming together" to move forward or whatever. Trump disgusts me, but it is the fact that he doesn't disgust you that will stick with me long after this election.
Having too many Steve Bannons threatens civic society. Too many is any number greater than zero.
Well, I don't see too many Ammonites or Moabites around, so no worries!
This is my sig.
As you probably know, 43.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot ...
The melting pot isn't immediate. We don't take immigrants right off the boat or plane and melt them down. It can take generations. It seems to work in the long run, though, and I like the culture it produces.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Assimilation has not normally meant giving up your religion. Religious freedom is part of US society (with dissidents, of course; my sister-in-law thought I shouldn't have voted for a Muslim for Congress). You do have to be accepting of other religions to be assimilated.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Canada would love to have your brains and talents. We are multicultural, tolerant and even have a democracy enjoyed and maintained by an educated world aware population that votes and not under the thumb of corporations. High technology is not a dirty word here nor is social democracy nor universal healthcare. Time to head north to freedom.
I haven't read every post here, so I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out; but Bannon does not appear to even know what the definition of "civic society" even is. It's certainly not what he is framing it to mean in this assertion. What he means of course is "culture" but he wisely decided (probably at the last minute) that using that term would be a bit too much and might smack of intellectual elitism and just alarm the meatheads that he was trying to communicate with by flashing one of their buzz-words. So his mind veered and faltered and settled on "civic society" (which is really not what he saying - a civic society is a voluntary body or society with civic aims). This is only one of many crimes against language perpetrated by him and really all of the Trump camp puppet heads. Never have I seen such a low level of erudition in a group of public servants, and given that I am from New Orleans that is saying something. In Bannon's case it probably has more with his being a drunk and thus unable to actually concentrate (look at his face, look at his disheveled demeanor, read the gin blossoms in his cheeks - he's hard core); expect much more of this nonsense. I keep hoping that I will find someplace where the discourse instead of just reacting to this kind of puffery attempts to deconstruct it logically. I haven't found that place yet. If it needs saying, my Comment Subject Line is mean to b a funny.
im from Singapore and i can tell you that the local IT industry here is overrun by south asians due to lax govt foreign labour policy and vritually no law to prevent preferential hiring. in some major companies, virtually all the IT staffs are foreigners.
if you want to go down that path like us, you will need to take action now. what he said is nothing short of social concerns and patriotism. dont let the far right run your country down.
Hey dumbass. Bangalore isn't in the US. Workers there are not on H1B visas.
Wait, what?
Um, capitalism? Employing people in the USA? He's against that?
Now I'm confused again!
Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
You're really really hoping your racism can be made mainstream and "accepted" aren't you? You never seem to see anything even when it's right in your face. You were on here weeks ago saying the same things about trump. You just couldn't see any of the bullshit people didn't like about him, all the while going on and on about how corrupt Hillary was. She was investigated again and again and just like in the 2 cases you care about, they couldn't find shit on her either. You still claimed it was all conspiracy and she was guilty of shit just because you "knew" it to be true. I am really tired of you running your mouth and purposefully trying to obfuscate our conversations. It's almost like someone is paying you to cheerlead for trump. I know they aren't, cause you are NOT that important, but that doesn't stop you from acting like they are.
TL;DR: STFU.
I know you know the term "token black guy". I have already shot your racist bullshit down in several other posts. Keep "not seeing" this or that. Go ahead. You're still coming off as a shill. I say you STILL aren't important enough to be a real shill but then again that isn't gonna stop you.
"Diversity society will fail" --Putnam;
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
Casteism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_desirability_bias
Casteism
A question and a remark, if you do care:
- First, I've had courses (middle-level, I'll say) in climatology some years ago, and all climatologists who taught us actually do consider that climate science is complex, and that the gross simplifications that constitute the Global Warming mediatic consensus do not make sense.
- Second, I'd be very happy if you could explain something to me about the Kurgan hypothesis, since afaik it is closely related to your field of work in PIE studies: Marija Gimbutas, the inventor of the Kurgan hypothesis, received her doctorate from Tübingen University in 1946. Which means that she started her doctorate a few years before, and I think that you know that starting 1933 the german anthropology field became a tad less scientific that we may have wished. So, how come such a little epistemologic problem never casted any doubts on Gimbuta's work?
Steve Bannon claimed that it wont be a civic society because two thirds of CEO in Silicon Valley are Asian.
Well, I want to ask Bannon what he means by 'civic society' because half of the sports people in America are black and majority of the pop stars in American music industry are blacks and latinos, majority of the investment bankers are jews, so does Bannon want to eliminate them all? Trump has rightly answered in his interview that "Foreign students from top ranking univs, Ivy Leagues can continue in America", and those CEOs comprise of that lot.
Oh I wonder... Maybe that almost all nationalities that emigrated to the US first willingly segregated themselves by nationality and language before integrating properly? Irish, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Norwegians, Swedes etc. The integration is more swift today than before and even in the past the effective integration period was ~1 generation.
Why are you so afraid of Chinese in particular?
I used Chinese as an example: I'm not particularly 'afraid' of them. I do think that any group that wants to ultimately become Americans should assimilate in terms of at least the language. For instance, I have nothing against Hispanics, but I am against Spanish becoming a co-equal w/ English. Language should be the first thing people adapt, followed by the people. Places like government offices having translation facilities for people who don't know English is ridiculous, since it puts a strain on departments to employ people who know all sorts of exotic languages.
"DAT'S RAYCISS" isn't an argument. Supposing that very small minorities (Asians and an "other" privileged ethnic class are, combined, about 6% of the population) who have hugely disproportionate influence in the top 1% of the population (government, CEOs, etc) might not be good for the rest of the country with which they have no real connection to is. Y'all need to be less narrowminded.