Right wing information bubble. Right. Because it's not like the left-wing/corporate propaganda permeates every TV network, major newspaper, reddit, my annoying liberal friends' FaceBook feed, our entire pop culture...
Right wingers are exposed to constant left wing propaganda from all sides, all the time...and then also read Breitbart. Left wingers believe everything that falls out of Anderson Cooper's face hole and never look at a single piece of alternative media because "LOL TINFOIL CONSPIRACY FAKE NEWS LIES HAHA!" And then they're shocked, just shocked when Trump wins. Right wingers were not shocked. We're not the ones in the bubble, consuming only one viewpoint.
To be honest I never had a problem with the secrecy. All treaties are negotiated like that, and if you do some historical reading there's been a lot of issues with that whole "advice and consent of the Senate" bit in the Constitution, because we've had Senators strategically leaking bits and pieces of treaties to the press in the past to fire up press torch and pitchfork brigades to sway negotiators one way or the other. It's basically impossible to negotiate a deal out in the open where everyone can see what everyone is doing. How do you bluff for a better deal when the media's right there to call your bluff?
But the fast-tracking a deal we haven't seen yet was completely horse shit and ultimately yes, of course, this deal was made in the interests of multinational corporations at the expense of the citizens of every nation. It was a traitors' deal.
I think he's going to keep a lot of them. It won't be reported like that, though. The media has learned nothing and is right back to lying and the demoralization propaganda, so expect stories like "Trump lied about being Hitler and is going back on his promise to gas all Mexican muslim gay jews, and boy are his evil nazi supporters mad about it!"
I wouldn't call that paleoconservative. That's more neocon divide and conquer stuff. Paleocons are generally of the opinion that we've made it through thousands of years of western civilization without bathroom laws. It's not the business of the government to play bathroom monitor.
The "moderate rebels" are a myth. It's five guys who stand in front of a camera and say "we want democracy! Totally ignore all the scary non-Syrian dudes behind us with the black standards sticking out of their packs! Now give us weapons and money infidel!"
That doesn't mean it can't be renegotiated and reworked and I think that'll be the tactic moving forward which may result in multiple agreements
Not under Trump's watch, though. The executive branch negotiates treaties and he's sure as shit not bringing that back. If you see the TPP again it would be after Trump's term(s), and who even knows what the political landscape will look like then? Trump's turning the Republican party into a populist/nationalist/workers' party and hopefully killing off the neocons (figuratively, that is). The Democrats...I don't know what they're going to do. You've got the sane-ish ones who realize the identity politics angle is a dead end (apparently, screaming at the majority of the electorate that they're evil doesn't make them want to vote for you against their economic interests. Also dangerous as shit...if you push all decisions being made based on racial identity then more whites will take up white identity politics and that can end badly for everyone involved), but then you've got the true ideologues who will never let that go. I think that's the way they're going as they're seriously considering a black muslim with a history with anti-white and anti-Semitic groups as their leader. Things are going to get interesting.
I would suggest you oppose actions you deem to not be in your (or the nation's) best interests, but take as happy accident the stuff that works out in your favor. So, cheer the death of the TPP, because that's in your interest. I would also suggest cheering that it seems we will not be going to war against Russia over Syria, and will instead stop arming ISIS and will let Russia stomp them out.
Neoconservatives are pro-globalization. Traditional conservatives are anti-globalism, pro-nationalism. Whatever Trump is, he's an economic nationalist, so he gets the support of traditional conservatives, like the Tea Party voters (note this is distinct from how the Tea Party candidates like Rubio got co-opted into the Neocon establishment. The story of the Tea Party is voters worker their asses off to get "their" people into office in 2010 - 2014 only to be met with immediate betrayal, resulting in the seething, frothing anger that enabled Trump).
Hopefully with the election of Trump and the destruction of the Republican and Democrat establishments we can relegate neoconservatism to the ash heap of history, along with the worst of leftist identity politics.
Can we as a society agree that the mainstream press, constantly lying to the public and trying to tell them what to think ("SUPPORT THE ESTABLISHMENT") instead of just reporting the facts is worse for society than a handful of people no one follows or has ever even heard of LARPing as Nazis?
But I don't actually care about his taxes. It wouldn't change my vote, it wouldn't change your vote, it's just something that makes you mad and I pay no attention to. Therefore, effective campaign strategy.
I'm assuming you're anti-Trump? Okay, if his taxes were absolutely amazing, proved he was the richest motherfucker in the world and GOAT at business, would you have voted for him?
But the lying press is lying. All the freaking time. I'm not saying the Nazis are right, but it would be a lot easier to counter them if the press would stop lying.
Problem is the mainstream Democrats are cool with it.
Trump never claimed he was legally not allowed to. He said it was because no tax attorney would advise one to do this, which is true.
I also think he refused for strategic purposes. It's good schmuck bait. No one who was totally cool with building walls and deporting millions of people would suddenly change their minds if his taxes were bad, and nobody who was voting for Hillary's vagina would suddenly say "gosh Trump is great!" if his taxes proved he was the greatest businessman of all time. If he had released his tax returns I doubt a single vote would have switched one way or the other. So it was just something that made his detractors and the media (but I repeat myself) full of impotent rage. Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
However, Obama's full of shit here. He could absolutely issue a pardon for Snowden right now. "Edward Snowden is absolved for any crimes he may have committed between 2010 and today." Done. He just doesn't want to, and is lying saying he can't. I wish he would, because I'd like to see Snowden pardoned, and I don't think for a second Trump will do it. Trump might even get his new buddy Vlad to hand him over.
They learned absolutely nothing. This past week has been stories about Steve Bannon being a "white nationalist." Breitbart was founded by a Jew, staffed by Jews and is so overwhelmingly pro-Israel and pro-Jewish that the actual neo-nazis refer to it as "kikebart." (apologies for the slur, it's not mine).
Then it was smearing Jeff Sessions as a "white supremacist." In Alabama in the 80s when the KKK was actually a real thing (today it's just FBI plants informing on DHS plants informing on state PD plants) that was dangerous to confront, Sessions as state AG had their leader executed and then broke the back of the organization with a crippling $7 million civil judgment. Also desegregated Alabama schools. Is this a white supremacist?
The media just cannot tell the fucking truth. And it's dangerous, because people still believe their shit. There are dangerous retards out there who still, after all they've seen this election cycle, after the brain crushing cognitive dissonance that must have hit them on election night still can't figure out that Anderson Cooper is lying to them. They would rather believe there are secret Nazis everywhere, including their friends and neighbors they've known their whole lives, that comprehend that the TV man (with the financial incentive to lie) is lying.
Trump's election is a symptom of a failing education system and skyrocketing inequality. When big chunks of the population are dumb as rocks and incredibly pissed off, bad things can happen. Feudal lords knew this (and knew to keep the peasants happy since they were too scared to make them smart) but today's leaders have forgotten.
1. Education doesn't make people smarter.
2. Among whites, those with college degrees chose Trump, not Hillary. And something like 75% of people with STEM degrees chose Trump. The "educated" Hillary voter is some purple haired girl $40,000 in debt from a Gender Studies degree working at Panera Bread. There is no indication these are people who make intelligent decisions.
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How so? I think they're great.
Right wing information bubble. Right. Because it's not like the left-wing/corporate propaganda permeates every TV network, major newspaper, reddit, my annoying liberal friends' FaceBook feed, our entire pop culture...
Right wingers are exposed to constant left wing propaganda from all sides, all the time...and then also read Breitbart. Left wingers believe everything that falls out of Anderson Cooper's face hole and never look at a single piece of alternative media because "LOL TINFOIL CONSPIRACY FAKE NEWS LIES HAHA!" And then they're shocked, just shocked when Trump wins. Right wingers were not shocked. We're not the ones in the bubble, consuming only one viewpoint.
Media for 18 months: "TRUMP IS HITLER!!!!!!"
Supporters: "No he's not."
Media after election: "TRUMP SAY YOU'RE NOT HITLER!!!!!"
Trump: "I'm not Hitler."
Media: "OH MY GOD TRUMP SUPPORTERS HE FOOLED YOU HE'S NOT HITLER LOLOLOLOLOL U GOT PLAYED!!"
The death of the legacy media cannot come fast enough.
To be honest I never had a problem with the secrecy. All treaties are negotiated like that, and if you do some historical reading there's been a lot of issues with that whole "advice and consent of the Senate" bit in the Constitution, because we've had Senators strategically leaking bits and pieces of treaties to the press in the past to fire up press torch and pitchfork brigades to sway negotiators one way or the other. It's basically impossible to negotiate a deal out in the open where everyone can see what everyone is doing. How do you bluff for a better deal when the media's right there to call your bluff?
But the fast-tracking a deal we haven't seen yet was completely horse shit and ultimately yes, of course, this deal was made in the interests of multinational corporations at the expense of the citizens of every nation. It was a traitors' deal.
That and $0.75 will get you a Coke out of some machines.
Does that mean bathroom laws?
I would prefer we keep the culture wars in the culture, and out of politics.
I think he's going to keep a lot of them. It won't be reported like that, though. The media has learned nothing and is right back to lying and the demoralization propaganda, so expect stories like "Trump lied about being Hitler and is going back on his promise to gas all Mexican muslim gay jews, and boy are his evil nazi supporters mad about it!"
I wouldn't call that paleoconservative. That's more neocon divide and conquer stuff. Paleocons are generally of the opinion that we've made it through thousands of years of western civilization without bathroom laws. It's not the business of the government to play bathroom monitor.
The "moderate rebels" are a myth. It's five guys who stand in front of a camera and say "we want democracy! Totally ignore all the scary non-Syrian dudes behind us with the black standards sticking out of their packs! Now give us weapons and money infidel!"
That doesn't mean it can't be renegotiated and reworked and I think that'll be the tactic moving forward which may result in multiple agreements
Not under Trump's watch, though. The executive branch negotiates treaties and he's sure as shit not bringing that back. If you see the TPP again it would be after Trump's term(s), and who even knows what the political landscape will look like then? Trump's turning the Republican party into a populist/nationalist/workers' party and hopefully killing off the neocons (figuratively, that is). The Democrats...I don't know what they're going to do. You've got the sane-ish ones who realize the identity politics angle is a dead end (apparently, screaming at the majority of the electorate that they're evil doesn't make them want to vote for you against their economic interests. Also dangerous as shit...if you push all decisions being made based on racial identity then more whites will take up white identity politics and that can end badly for everyone involved), but then you've got the true ideologues who will never let that go. I think that's the way they're going as they're seriously considering a black muslim with a history with anti-white and anti-Semitic groups as their leader. Things are going to get interesting.
I would suggest you oppose actions you deem to not be in your (or the nation's) best interests, but take as happy accident the stuff that works out in your favor. So, cheer the death of the TPP, because that's in your interest. I would also suggest cheering that it seems we will not be going to war against Russia over Syria, and will instead stop arming ISIS and will let Russia stomp them out.
Neoconservatives are pro-globalization. Traditional conservatives are anti-globalism, pro-nationalism. Whatever Trump is, he's an economic nationalist, so he gets the support of traditional conservatives, like the Tea Party voters (note this is distinct from how the Tea Party candidates like Rubio got co-opted into the Neocon establishment. The story of the Tea Party is voters worker their asses off to get "their" people into office in 2010 - 2014 only to be met with immediate betrayal, resulting in the seething, frothing anger that enabled Trump).
Hopefully with the election of Trump and the destruction of the Republican and Democrat establishments we can relegate neoconservatism to the ash heap of history, along with the worst of leftist identity politics.
He was railing against the TPP from the start of his campaign. It's not like this is a new thing.
And in the meantime, the stock market will tank
Dow is at all time highs. Your opinion is discarded.
Can we as a society agree that the mainstream press, constantly lying to the public and trying to tell them what to think ("SUPPORT THE ESTABLISHMENT") instead of just reporting the facts is worse for society than a handful of people no one follows or has ever even heard of LARPing as Nazis?
But I don't actually care about his taxes. It wouldn't change my vote, it wouldn't change your vote, it's just something that makes you mad and I pay no attention to. Therefore, effective campaign strategy.
Little bit?
I'm assuming you're anti-Trump? Okay, if his taxes were absolutely amazing, proved he was the richest motherfucker in the world and GOAT at business, would you have voted for him?
But the lying press is lying. All the freaking time. I'm not saying the Nazis are right, but it would be a lot easier to counter them if the press would stop lying.
Problem is the mainstream Democrats are cool with it.
Looks like he caught another schmuck!
You need to link credible news sources, not fake news sites.
Trump never claimed he was legally not allowed to. He said it was because no tax attorney would advise one to do this, which is true.
I also think he refused for strategic purposes. It's good schmuck bait. No one who was totally cool with building walls and deporting millions of people would suddenly change their minds if his taxes were bad, and nobody who was voting for Hillary's vagina would suddenly say "gosh Trump is great!" if his taxes proved he was the greatest businessman of all time. If he had released his tax returns I doubt a single vote would have switched one way or the other. So it was just something that made his detractors and the media (but I repeat myself) full of impotent rage. Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
However, Obama's full of shit here. He could absolutely issue a pardon for Snowden right now. "Edward Snowden is absolved for any crimes he may have committed between 2010 and today." Done. He just doesn't want to, and is lying saying he can't. I wish he would, because I'd like to see Snowden pardoned, and I don't think for a second Trump will do it. Trump might even get his new buddy Vlad to hand him over.
Breitbart levels of populism and antisemitism.
Breitbart is run mostly by Jews and is the most pro-Israel news organization outside of Israel.
Even the New York Times came out and said that after the election they had to rededicate themselves to journalism.
And they went immediately right back to lying and smearing, running fear-mongering hit pieces on Trump's cabinet picks. They learned nothing.
They learned absolutely nothing. This past week has been stories about Steve Bannon being a "white nationalist." Breitbart was founded by a Jew, staffed by Jews and is so overwhelmingly pro-Israel and pro-Jewish that the actual neo-nazis refer to it as "kikebart." (apologies for the slur, it's not mine).
Then it was smearing Jeff Sessions as a "white supremacist." In Alabama in the 80s when the KKK was actually a real thing (today it's just FBI plants informing on DHS plants informing on state PD plants) that was dangerous to confront, Sessions as state AG had their leader executed and then broke the back of the organization with a crippling $7 million civil judgment. Also desegregated Alabama schools. Is this a white supremacist?
The media just cannot tell the fucking truth. And it's dangerous, because people still believe their shit. There are dangerous retards out there who still, after all they've seen this election cycle, after the brain crushing cognitive dissonance that must have hit them on election night still can't figure out that Anderson Cooper is lying to them. They would rather believe there are secret Nazis everywhere, including their friends and neighbors they've known their whole lives, that comprehend that the TV man (with the financial incentive to lie) is lying.
Trump's election is a symptom of a failing education system and skyrocketing inequality. When big chunks of the population are dumb as rocks and incredibly pissed off, bad things can happen. Feudal lords knew this (and knew to keep the peasants happy since they were too scared to make them smart) but today's leaders have forgotten.
1. Education doesn't make people smarter.
2. Among whites, those with college degrees chose Trump, not Hillary. And something like 75% of people with STEM degrees chose Trump. The "educated" Hillary voter is some purple haired girl $40,000 in debt from a Gender Studies degree working at Panera Bread. There is no indication these are people who make intelligent decisions.