There are only a few ways to cheat in Quake since it's a client server game. Assuming the server isn't running hacked code. I *thought* all the ways of cheating in Quake have already been used and abused for years so I'm a little confused here. Exactly what new ways are people able to cheat with now just because the code has been released? I can see cheating being easier but proxy bots and and all that stuff have been around for a long time so I don't see any of this as being new. Someone please enlighten me.
It's not quite as bad as you might think with Quake. Doom was a client to client game so either client could manipulate the game state but since Quake is a client to server game as long as you are fairly sure the server isn't hacked for cheats then the other clients can only do so much when it comes to cheating. They can use a bot to aim/shoot and make people bright red but since the server controls the game state, things like your health, damage etc cannot be altered by the client.
This guy obviously isn't used to using the net. where is the constant bombardment of icq messages? What about the emails piling up? How about that big todo list of computer/internet related tasks? It's quite common for me to leave my house once every 2 weeks and I wouldn't have it any other way. Of course with 2 computer and a DSL line would you?;P
I live in Victoria BC Canada and here the telco provides you with every aspect of the service except you can choose to go with an independant isp for your web services (mail, news, dns, customer support etc). I had my installation done about 2 years ago now. It's Canadian$65 (about US$45) a month for 256kbit up and 2.2Mbits down, I actually get 2.2Mbits at any time of the day. That includes rental of an Amati overture 810 ADSL modem (Amati is now owned by TI). When the service first became available they had a limited ammount of lines they were going to connect and knowing the first ones were going to go to people who either worked for the telco or knew someone who did I phoned them at least twice a week trying to find different numbers and people to bother until they finally hooked me up. Amazingly this worked quite well as I was one of the first people in my area to get DSL. I decided to go with an independant isp for my web services since I had experienced problems with the telco's isp before, this ended up being a bad choice since I was their first DSL customer they didn't know what the hell they were doing and definitely didn't have anything set up properly. They screwed up just about everything they could but after about 3 phone calls or emails per problem eventually everything was working fine. The reliability of my DSL is fairly decent, I have downtime less then once a month which is pretty good for cheap consumer high speed net access.
My DSL line only adds 19ms latency to my connections, back when I had ISDN it was anywhere from 24ms to 35ms+ depending on the ISDN TA and the ISP's equipment and with my old USR 33.6 modem it was about 170ms. If you do your pings with 200 byte packets which are common for an online game like quake when there is a fair bit of action going on these numbers are more like DSL(256kbit) 27.4ms, ISDN(128kbit) 38ms, Modem(33.6kbit) 236ms so this explains why DSL is usually great for someone wanting a low latency connection. These latency times are my actual recorded numbers when pinging my ISP which were done under fairly optimal conditions.
I'll mention a few things I've learned from it all:
If you ever find a phone number which will actually get you talking to someone who can tell you why there is downtime and tell you when it will be corrected - Don't lose it!
Some DSL modems are rate addaptive and some aren't. RA means that they will jump to a lower or higher speed depending on line conditions while others only negotiate line speeds at connection and they do not change, this can cause packet loss or for your connection to drop and have to reconnect. I found with mine when I first plugged it in (when it was cold) it would always connect at 2.2Mbits and after a while I would start to get a little bit of packet loss, if I unplugged it and plugged it back in (when it was hot) it would often reconnect at 1.4 which would fix the packet loss but then I was running at a slower speed. I ended up finding that placing a fan inside the DSL modem kept the connection at 2.2 without any packet loss. I'm sure someone's shuddering at the thought of opening theirs up and I'm not recommending it but that was my experience.
With my DSL modem came a crossover cable so it would hook directly up to my pc's nic. If you want to hook your DSL modem up to a hub assuming your DSL modem is similar to mine then you will either need a regular cable or a hub that will accept the crossover cable which I believe many(most?) do.
Some DSL contracts will allow you more then one IP, mine doesn't but I've had 3 computers hooked up to it for about 2 years now and their DHCP server happily gives them all ip's so I guess you can't be sure until you either get the service or talk to someone with it who knows what they're talking about. If you can only get one IP and you want to hook up more then one computer to your DSL service you can always look at NAT (network address translation) which is also called IP Masquerading.
The DSL system I'm on uses dynamic ip's. They only change about once every couple months at most but they do change. Since my DSL connection goes through my telco and everyone on DSL gets IP's fairly randomly from the same IP block but can be using different ISP's for their web services many ISP's are a little lazy and just allow full access to anyone falling within this IP block. This allows me to have access to news servers from almost any of the ISP's that support DSL here and probably to other services. Most people on DSL will not find themselves in a situation like this but there are enough who will to make it worth mentioning. I'm sure some people out there will call this theft since you're using someones services without paying for them but if they leave them wide open to you then... well you can decide.
That was a lot more then I intended on writing;) If you have any questions email me since I'll probably never bother to come looking for any responses here. idealego@canada.com
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Valve has only done *one* game not including the expansion pack.
>Valve, the maker of some of the best games out
>there and the most popular
You might not agree with me that software rendering is already dead today but what about 1 year from now?
The dates are correct for me. Maybe it's your javascript?
I *thought* all the ways of cheating in Quake have already been used and abused for years so I'm a little confused here. Exactly what new ways are people able to cheat with now just because the code has been released? I can see cheating being easier but proxy bots and and all that stuff have been around for a long time so I don't see any of this as being new. Someone please enlighten me.
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It's "id" NOT "ID"
and a lot of you call yourselves Quake fans sheesh!
This guy obviously isn't used to using the net. where is the constant bombardment of icq messages? What about the emails piling up? How about that big todo list of computer/internet related tasks? It's quite common for me to leave my house once every 2 weeks and I wouldn't have it any other way. Of course with 2 computer and a DSL line would you? ;P
I live in Victoria BC Canada and here the telco provides you with every aspect of the service except you can choose to go with an independant isp for your web services (mail, news, dns, customer support etc). I had my installation done about 2 years ago now. It's Canadian$65 (about US$45) a month for 256kbit up and 2.2Mbits down, I actually get 2.2Mbits at any time of the day. That includes rental of an Amati overture 810 ADSL modem (Amati is now owned by TI). When the service first became available they had a limited ammount of lines they were going to connect and knowing the first ones were going to go to people who either worked for the telco or knew someone who did I phoned them at least twice a week trying to find different numbers and people to bother until they finally hooked me up. Amazingly this worked quite well as I was one of the first people in my area to get DSL. I decided to go with an independant isp for my web services since I had experienced problems with the telco's isp before, this ended up being a bad choice since I was their first DSL customer they didn't know what the hell they were doing and definitely didn't have anything set up properly. They screwed up just about everything they could but after about 3 phone calls or emails per problem eventually everything was working fine. The reliability of my DSL is fairly decent, I have downtime less then once a month which is pretty good for cheap consumer high speed net access.
;) If you have any questions email me since I'll probably never bother to come looking for any responses here.
My DSL line only adds 19ms latency to my connections, back when I had ISDN it was anywhere from 24ms to 35ms+ depending on the ISDN TA and the ISP's equipment and with my old USR 33.6 modem it was about 170ms. If you do your pings with 200 byte packets which are common for an online game like quake when there is a fair bit of action going on these numbers are more like DSL(256kbit) 27.4ms, ISDN(128kbit) 38ms, Modem(33.6kbit) 236ms so this explains why DSL is usually great for someone wanting a low latency connection. These latency times are my actual recorded numbers when pinging my ISP which were done under fairly optimal conditions.
I'll mention a few things I've learned from it all:
If you ever find a phone number which will actually get you talking to someone who can tell you why there is downtime and tell you when it will be corrected - Don't lose it!
Some DSL modems are rate addaptive and some aren't. RA means that they will jump to a lower or higher speed depending on line conditions while others only negotiate line speeds at connection and they do not change, this can cause packet loss or for your connection to drop and have to reconnect. I found with mine when I first plugged it in (when it was cold) it would always connect at 2.2Mbits and after a while I would start to get a little bit of packet loss, if I unplugged it and plugged it back in (when it was hot) it would often reconnect at 1.4 which would fix the packet loss but then I was running at a slower speed. I ended up finding that placing a fan inside the DSL modem kept the connection at 2.2 without any packet loss. I'm sure someone's shuddering at the thought of opening theirs up and I'm not recommending it but that was my experience.
With my DSL modem came a crossover cable so it would hook directly up to my pc's nic. If you want to hook your DSL modem up to a hub assuming your DSL modem is similar to mine then you will either need a regular cable or a hub that will accept the crossover cable which I believe many(most?) do.
Some DSL contracts will allow you more then one IP, mine doesn't but I've had 3 computers hooked up to it for about 2 years now and their DHCP server happily gives them all ip's so I guess you can't be sure until you either get the service or talk to someone with it who knows what they're talking about. If you can only get one IP and you want to hook up more then one computer to your DSL service you can always look at NAT (network address translation) which is also called IP Masquerading.
The DSL system I'm on uses dynamic ip's. They only change about once every couple months at most but they do change. Since my DSL connection goes through my telco and everyone on DSL gets IP's fairly randomly from the same IP block but can be using different ISP's for their web services many ISP's are a little lazy and just allow full access to anyone falling within this IP block. This allows me to have access to news servers from almost any of the ISP's that support DSL here and probably to other services. Most people on DSL will not find themselves in a situation like this but there are enough who will to make it worth mentioning. I'm sure some people out there will call this theft since you're using someones services without paying for them but if they leave them wide open to you then... well you can decide.
That was a lot more then I intended on writing
idealego@canada.com
I keep seeing people say how their Intellimouse doesn't work in Linux well mine works fine. Just go grab the software from here it works great.
http://solaris1.mysolution.com/~jcatki/imwheel/
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