good points, but just because you're downloading does not mean you're not being monitored. all the metadata from every phone call since the mid 80s is being stored by at&t. with all their fancy tools most of the dmca shutdowns are used to disconnect legitimate but vocal people, who only tried to share their information, and they got falsely identified. not to mention there are laws in the usa that supposedly protect us citizens from digital wiretapping, without a court even if it's kinda a bad court that will do almost anything about terrorists. but sharing movies is too easy and too wide spread to defeat it. so they target large piracy collectives with multi disc rapid replication hives. and the dmca can't keep up with it's low street cred from using it to silence people instead of outing pirates. besides the internet is about sharing if netflix and it's many clones offer a deal most people can say, hey this is easier than pirating... but i still see people paying to rent movies. netflix intentionally doesn't carry the new to dvd/bluray market except in it's physical by postal mail system. even then people still use redbox and blockbuster video kiosk at least in most places i have been to. theaters are getting hit hard. i went to a movie with some friends once at their advice and all 4 of us were the only ones in the movie on a Saturday night. people know now they can wait and see stuff later on dvd/bluray and don't even have to own them to see it. since the switch to digital i know a few people who have said 'no' to cable tv and use hdtv ota and just order internet for streaming and use mobile phones for calling people. it is cheaper by far even than 'cheap' cable bundles. three strike laws are going away silently as they've found that inmates cost more to care for than in the past. they are ramping up on terrorists for now that is what they are doing. although i do realize that inmates can be paid tiny amounts of cash for working in factories, in fact until the lawsuits hit (if lead doesn't get banned) i know a womens prison that desolders recycled parts for recovering the valuable parts while the cheap parts are shipped to landfills. so feel free to be paranoid about people being arrested and working below wage just like they do in china where the only crime was being poor.
"Sounds like trying to turn a tablet into a laptop or something." which would suit microsoft just fine. windows 8 disc images utilize 6 4.7gb dvds 28 gb. just because android can be designed to install a factory image from a 4gb ssd, doesn't mean microsoft can do the same. a 500 gb hdd would suit the next gen surface tablet just fine.
over active people also wear out their body parts with the exertion. there is a happy medium though and i think that it just needed to be clarified. if you run several super marathons every year its going to kill you early... if you run a 5k it's all good.
but it is a lossy compression. loss free compression like flac is a way to ensure preservation of audio, and there is a loss less video codec too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_codecs lossy compression is for non archival usage. lossless is best for archiving, since easy copy methods work and don't degrade the copy. obviously not everyone is trying to be the last surviving holder of a work of music. though if you are flac is great. the problem is not as well known as it should be. android phones for example to save ram they assume lossy compression in ever instance to the kernel level handling of it. for pictures which cap at 1.2 mb for a 8 megapixel camera, to audio players that can't find a mp3 to play that haven't been 'synced' with desktop software. at least the 1080p video is using a loss free video codec but the audio you guessed it lossy. all so the thing can run on 1 gb of ram and never have to close apps after they have been opened. sigh.
"This is the road we are going down.It's easy to imagine a time when the only things of value are land and energy"
and drinkable water. i would eat my tinfoil hat if you seriously think fresh water can be done at a low enough cost to not assign it monetary value. we pay $130 every month for water.
"(and the land and energy required to make something). A breakthrough in those areas (space colonization, cheap fusion power) and nothing will be of value. "
space colonization is science fiction. we don't even have a radiation shielding planet except venus which is so hot from green house effects that it rains acid.
"My desktop 3-D printer/assembler can make be a garage sized 3-D printer/assemblerr, which in turn can assemble me a new Ferrari."
bioplastic reels can't assemble a car it can make molds for all the parts but it cannot make your garage a replicator.
" It can also disassemble my old Ferrari for raw materials then disassemble itself to save space. Will we get there? Unknown, but fortunately for us science fiction writers have anticipated this for a long time and proposed some interesting and probably workable solutions."
i have read the scifi classics. i have seen many little screen sci fi, and very little is 'hard' scifi many are just clever plot ploys to make the story more palatable. there are real solutions, but the usa got sewer and running hot and cold water happy.. millions of miles of pipe to make toilets where once you needed to build an out house. there is a guy trying to convince people to use portable outhouses that use sawdust to mask the odor and make garden compost from it. and i have yet to read the scifi where they deal with the nasty details of too much poop. even though factory farms are now contagion hot houses because they live in their own filth and are feed a lot to make a big mess.
"My personal favorite is everyone gets a stipend like Native American tribes or people from Alaska. A low but above poverty amount, say 30K a year. To be fair everyone gets it. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, me. People can work if they want to. Jobs would be scarce and desirable no matter how bad. If 40 or even 80% of the population is unemployed, who cares? We would have to get past class warfare, because anyone who had a truly needed job would be pretty valuable and probably make a lot of money, but again, who cares if you can print a Ferrari or surfboard or whatever else you want practically for free."
replicators do not exist. they are not real. robotics have done a lot for a lot of people. 3d printers don't do what you say they do. they make plastic that can hold up to firing 3-5 nails from a handgun or a rifle. sure you could download plans to mold and fabricate that way but then you need a forge and ingots of iron or aluminium then you need to have high precision tools to assemble parts. it goes on and on. there is a reason they make a car on an assembly line and not out of a glorified 3d printer. and don't forget the government. they are not on the same page as you. napster showed what can be done when you ignore us and international law... and it was not pretty. the riaa and mpaa do not want people to get music and movies for free even if the internet has made it cheaper and easier to watch tv/movies and listen to music, they want their cut. if you told alexander gram bell that oil, metal, dye and a laser could let you fit 6,000 songs or hours and hours of movies... heh we have come so far...
imagine a beowulf cluster of those... with hdmi dongle there is a problem of needing an hdmi connection for every node in your cluster. usb and ethernet are both better. at least PoE is great for small clusters. i do not know which devices support PoE but it is great at reducing cable clutter for a beowulf cluster
it helps when you cite a source like this one instead of just arguing that it is obvious, because no it is not obvious just because i can google it, and find everything from scholarly documents to time lapse photography and not some poorly titled webzine that wants click throughs and spouts end of the world panic instead of real debate.
in 1982 a pac man clone called 'ladybug' the mame rom (i own a legit copy of ladybug) uses 3 32byte image files and 10 4.1kb files of assembly. yes this computer used 10 chips each one had 4.1kb i assume they also had 3 32byte video chips and a generic arcade board. i think this was when computers complexity was last understandable to laymen. arcade machines use a lot of electricity compared to running mame on a pi. my first home console was a pong clone, and people who built them knew what they were doing. why is this relevant? the government has a backwards way of viewing computers, all they see is ceneralized control of data and 'why did it work back then but not now' when they fail to realize that to get a machine that simple took more powerful computers to develop and maintain the files needed for that machine to work. also scripting and virtual machines have complecated how the computer that are faster and cheaper but less understood by the masses that viruses and malware can criple otherwise robust machines, and chips are being made in many countries with various levels of understanding. the best thing in the world would be to make computers so fast and open that anyone could build like legos their own systems until the world truly had no barriers to entry where data could migrate and be free, and that evil would have no proprietary bits to hide behind. although all those machines would require a lot of resource even if advanced low power machines causes a slight blip in global warming the truth would be free and people would know how the real world really is and not the view of an elite top 1 %
when robots learn how to deal with devide by zero and causality loops without needing a human to notice and hit the reset button and can conquest the human race into non important jobs.
you should know by now that tv sensatonalizes any science for dieting. when ironically having addictive instant entertainment does more harm than the other diet choices. and cell phones are almost worse, since you can walk into traffic and get yourself run over. sugar is not really that bad for you, if you keep your metabolism high. veggie smoothies are not a quick fix, despite what people say about it. if green colored foods were so healthy for you why are americans just now learning this, why are americans living longer than any less developed nation when those people can't afford meat and sugar? and why hasn't the big mac guy who has had one big mac a day since mc donalds opened near him have cholesterol clogged veins for omg eating cow meat. sigh. but i think it's great we can argue about this. but i do not trust tv doctors. it is their fault hospital food is disgusting, repeating the drivel they were taught. even water will kill you if you drink too much of it, and it is so vital even hospitals provide it.
Shift+control+t for firefox which also has it under 'history' 'recently closed tabs' i knew about the menu method but noticed today that you can use the afore mentioned keyboard shortcut. it remembers forms though so can be used to recover forensic data...
i have known about this bug in linux for over 2 years, i simply never let my laptop go into suspend mode which triggers the bug as the hardware is unable to connect to usb devices after a software suspend mode is done. now i just have to wait on the fix to get into stable oses(like ubuntu).
"The government lost the information war. They are going to need to refocus on something else to win. Martial law. Election stealing. Murdering people. Extortion. At that point you're no longer looking at democracy and civilization but totalitarianism and military rule. We already lock up every marijuana user. Why not start locking up "terror violators" or some other nonsense 'crime'?
This is the breaking point. Will people vote in politicians who will stop the wars (terror, drugs, guns, privacy)? Or are we going to get another Bush/Obama clone?"
you must live in lala land where everything fox news churns out from marketing any news that they invent in their own heads. obama did almost nothing because whenever the democrats compromized the republicans called for more. they only got obamacare by compromising democrat ideal of single payer heathcare to the 'compromize' of the affordable care act. until the supreme court called it a 'tax' and then this guy called grover went against ACAhttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57327816/the-pledge-grover-norquists-hold-on-the-gop/
well they made a nice 1980 lbs rover for mars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_rover, and its nuclear powered so we know how to build nuclear atvs but only for extra terrestrials...
while we are on the subject of inaccuracy technically anyone dying under age 13 is not even aware of aging, much less go through the advanced stages...
russian hackers expunged the site. i didn't follow links prior to finding this out. so sorry. i also screwed up my grammar but that doesn't bother me much
you shouldn't be torrenting with a power hungry desktop or laptop when a small linux run downloading box. there are many was to do this from a pi with NAS or other kit computers using slow chips, that sip power and are not huge hacking targets. http://lifehacker.com/274177/build-a-bittorrent-box they reccomend 'old' box but there has been much progress in low power chips these days, and with bittorent network speed is part of the problem, unless you have fiber to the door then it's number of seeds.
"Meanwhile, big cable is doing everything they legally can to prevent the streaming providers from delivering good service."
i stream video over wifi and so does my phone with no service bloackage even my ps3 doesn't have an issue. now verizon they ARE throttling over cellular towers. i have tried to stream netflix over 4g lte networks and it is trash. google plus app for android also refuses to run over 4g lte even if you disable wifi. normally the android phone does everything over wifi and sends nothing over cell towers, for no good reason. the bad reason is pure greed. 2gb for $20 a month when you're lucky to pull 90 mb per month.
when a person can get a job at Walmart, and still qualify for sec8 housing that is sad. and Walmart is in the midst of a 50 billion dollar campaign to do this to millions of workers under its plan to apply Walmart values on small manufacturers. they know the government won't stop them, and 6 of the richest people in the USA the family owners of Walmart are salivating at the profit margins.
imagine that anything you can do with multiple windows can be done inside a browser like this http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=14689 that is what i meant by interesting layouts inside a browser that had a smaller footprint than netscape...
i remember that before there was iframes there was a cool browser that let you make as many frames from multiple sources and did it all on a 486 with 8mb of ram. sadly aol bought it and killed the tech. it's not like tabs because with tabs each site is on it's own tab as big as the window, with multi framing browsers you can literally load dozens of websites, adjust their frame size and scroll content in interesting ways. it is superior to tabs in every way. you could for instance load a porn site in a 10x480 pixel frame and drag and resize when the coast was clear while you were waiting on it to load perhaps in a place where you wouldn't dare open porn. sure we don't wait for porn to download anymore but at the time we did and it was essential to not show the url of the loading porn pane/frame.
"Defense systems would be great. You could get countries to nuke themselves using their own cyber ops team." most nuke plants are water cooled turning off a water plant would cause the nuke plants that depend on that cooling water to melt their cores if not safely shut down. so yeah there is nuclear concerns and even a coal or nat gas plant also requires cooling and most are not near much water, as they tend to push them out of sight of normal people. so this is pretty serious stuff.
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good points, but just because you're downloading does not mean you're not being monitored. all the metadata from every phone call since the mid 80s is being stored by at&t. with all their fancy tools most of the dmca shutdowns are used to disconnect legitimate but vocal people, who only tried to share their information, and they got falsely identified. not to mention there are laws in the usa that supposedly protect us citizens from digital wiretapping, without a court even if it's kinda a bad court that will do almost anything about terrorists. but sharing movies is too easy and too wide spread to defeat it. so they target large piracy collectives with multi disc rapid replication hives. and the dmca can't keep up with it's low street cred from using it to silence people instead of outing pirates. besides the internet is about sharing if netflix and it's many clones offer a deal most people can say, hey this is easier than pirating... but i still see people paying to rent movies. netflix intentionally doesn't carry the new to dvd/bluray market except in it's physical by postal mail system. even then people still use redbox and blockbuster video kiosk at least in most places i have been to. theaters are getting hit hard. i went to a movie with some friends once at their advice and all 4 of us were the only ones in the movie on a Saturday night. people know now they can wait and see stuff later on dvd/bluray and don't even have to own them to see it. since the switch to digital i know a few people who have said 'no' to cable tv and use hdtv ota and just order internet for streaming and use mobile phones for calling people. it is cheaper by far even than 'cheap' cable bundles.
three strike laws are going away silently as they've found that inmates cost more to care for than in the past. they are ramping up on terrorists for now that is what they are doing. although i do realize that inmates can be paid tiny amounts of cash for working in factories, in fact until the lawsuits hit (if lead doesn't get banned) i know a womens prison that desolders recycled parts for recovering the valuable parts while the cheap parts are shipped to landfills. so feel free to be paranoid about people being arrested and working below wage just like they do in china where the only crime was being poor.
"Sounds like trying to turn a tablet into a laptop or something."
which would suit microsoft just fine. windows 8 disc images utilize 6 4.7gb dvds 28 gb. just because android can be designed to install a factory image from a 4gb ssd, doesn't mean microsoft can do the same. a 500 gb hdd would suit the next gen surface tablet just fine.
over active people also wear out their body parts with the exertion. there is a happy medium though and i think that it just needed to be clarified. if you run several super marathons every year its going to kill you early... if you run a 5k it's all good.
but it is a lossy compression. loss free compression like flac is a way to ensure preservation of audio, and there is a loss less video codec too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_codecs lossy compression is for non archival usage. lossless is best for archiving, since easy copy methods work and don't degrade the copy. obviously not everyone is trying to be the last surviving holder of a work of music. though if you are flac is great. the problem is not as well known as it should be. android phones for example to save ram they assume lossy compression in ever instance to the kernel level handling of it. for pictures which cap at 1.2 mb for a 8 megapixel camera, to audio players that can't find a mp3 to play that haven't been 'synced' with desktop software. at least the 1080p video is using a loss free video codec but the audio you guessed it lossy. all so the thing can run on 1 gb of ram and never have to close apps after they have been opened. sigh.
but but it was on mainpage of slashdot so thats how i know 3d printers can make guns...
"This is the road we are going down.It's easy to imagine a time when the only things of value are land and energy"
and drinkable water. i would eat my tinfoil hat if you seriously think fresh water can be done at a low enough cost to not assign it monetary value. we pay $130 every month for water.
"(and the land and energy required to make something). A breakthrough in those areas (space colonization, cheap fusion power) and nothing will be of value. "
space colonization is science fiction. we don't even have a radiation shielding planet except venus which is so hot from green house effects that it rains acid.
"My desktop 3-D printer/assembler can make be a garage sized 3-D printer/assemblerr, which in turn can assemble me a new Ferrari."
bioplastic reels can't assemble a car it can make molds for all the parts but it cannot make your garage a replicator.
" It can also disassemble my old Ferrari for raw materials then disassemble itself to save space. Will we get there? Unknown, but fortunately for us science fiction writers have anticipated this for a long time and proposed some interesting and probably workable solutions."
i have read the scifi classics. i have seen many little screen sci fi, and very little is 'hard' scifi many are just clever plot ploys to make the story more palatable. there are real solutions, but the usa got sewer and running hot and cold water happy.. millions of miles of pipe to make toilets where once you needed to build an out house. there is a guy trying to convince people to use portable outhouses that use sawdust to mask the odor and make garden compost from it. and i have yet to read the scifi where they deal with the nasty details of too much poop. even though factory farms are now contagion hot houses because they live in their own filth and are feed a lot to make a big mess.
"My personal favorite is everyone gets a stipend like Native American tribes or people from Alaska. A low but above poverty amount, say 30K a year. To be fair everyone gets it. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, me. People can work if they want to. Jobs would be scarce and desirable no matter how bad. If 40 or even 80% of the population is unemployed, who cares? We would have to get past class warfare, because anyone who had a truly needed job would be pretty valuable and probably make a lot of money, but again, who cares if you can print a Ferrari or surfboard or whatever else you want practically for free."
replicators do not exist. they are not real. robotics have done a lot for a lot of people. 3d printers don't do what you say they do. they make plastic that can hold up to firing 3-5 nails from a handgun or a rifle. sure you could download plans to mold and fabricate that way but then you need a forge and ingots of iron or aluminium then you need to have high precision tools to assemble parts. it goes on and on. there is a reason they make a car on an assembly line and not out of a glorified 3d printer. and don't forget the government. they are not on the same page as you. napster showed what can be done when you ignore us and international law... and it was not pretty. the riaa and mpaa do not want people to get music and movies for free even if the internet has made it cheaper and easier to watch tv/movies and listen to music, they want their cut. if you told alexander gram bell that oil, metal, dye and a laser could let you fit 6,000 songs or hours and hours of movies... heh we have come so far...
imagine a beowulf cluster of those... with hdmi dongle there is a problem of needing an hdmi connection for every node in your cluster. usb and ethernet are both better. at least PoE is great for small clusters. i do not know which devices support PoE but it is great at reducing cable clutter for a beowulf cluster
it helps when you cite a source like this one instead of just arguing that it is obvious, because no it is not obvious just because i can google it, and find everything from scholarly documents to time lapse photography and not some poorly titled webzine that wants click throughs and spouts end of the world panic instead of real debate.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?hl=en&q=http://www.researchgate.net/publication/228778361_Rapid_disintegration_of_Alpine_glaciers_observed_with_satellite_data/file/32bfe5136e29b8870d.pdf&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm2Av-PDZ8VXErDlm2Ui1TffLc10og&oi=scholarr
yes i realize the alpine glaciers are melting as per your point, but your argument with the other poster was akin to saying "i'm right" "no i am" "no you are not" etc
in 1982 a pac man clone called 'ladybug' the mame rom (i own a legit copy of ladybug) uses 3 32byte image files and 10 4.1kb files of assembly. yes this computer used 10 chips each one had 4.1kb i assume they also had 3 32byte video chips and a generic arcade board. i think this was when computers complexity was last understandable to laymen.
arcade machines use a lot of electricity compared to running mame on a pi. my first home console was a pong clone, and people who built them knew what they were doing.
why is this relevant? the government has a backwards way of viewing computers, all they see is ceneralized control of data and 'why did it work back then but not now' when they fail to realize that to get a machine that simple took more powerful computers to develop and maintain the files needed for that machine to work. also scripting and virtual machines have complecated how the computer that are faster and cheaper but less understood by the masses that viruses and malware can criple otherwise robust machines, and chips are being made in many countries with various levels of understanding. the best thing in the world would be to make computers so fast and open that anyone could build like legos their own systems until the world truly had no barriers to entry where data could migrate and be free, and that evil would have no proprietary bits to hide behind. although all those machines would require a lot of resource even if advanced low power machines causes a slight blip in global warming the truth would be free and people would know how the real world really is and not the view of an elite top 1 %
"When will this stupidity end?"
when robots learn how to deal with devide by zero and causality loops without needing a human to notice and hit the reset button and can conquest the human race into non important jobs.
you should know by now that tv sensatonalizes any science for dieting. when ironically having addictive instant entertainment does more harm than the other diet choices. and cell phones are almost worse, since you can walk into traffic and get yourself run over. sugar is not really that bad for you, if you keep your metabolism high. veggie smoothies are not a quick fix, despite what people say about it. if green colored foods were so healthy for you why are americans just now learning this, why are americans living longer than any less developed nation when those people can't afford meat and sugar? and why hasn't the big mac guy who has had one big mac a day since mc donalds opened near him have cholesterol clogged veins for omg eating cow meat. sigh. but i think it's great we can argue about this. but i do not trust tv doctors. it is their fault hospital food is disgusting, repeating the drivel they were taught. even water will kill you if you drink too much of it, and it is so vital even hospitals provide it.
Shift+control+t for firefox which also has it under 'history' 'recently closed tabs'
i knew about the menu method but noticed today that you can use the afore mentioned keyboard shortcut. it remembers forms though so can be used to recover forensic data...
i have known about this bug in linux for over 2 years, i simply never let my laptop go into suspend mode which triggers the bug as the hardware is unable to connect to usb devices after a software suspend mode is done. now i just have to wait on the fix to get into stable oses(like ubuntu).
"The government lost the information war. They are going to need to refocus on something else to win. Martial law. Election stealing. Murdering people. Extortion. At that point you're no longer looking at democracy and civilization but totalitarianism and military rule. We already lock up every marijuana user. Why not start locking up "terror violators" or some other nonsense 'crime'?
This is the breaking point. Will people vote in politicians who will stop the wars (terror, drugs, guns, privacy)? Or are we going to get another Bush/Obama clone?"
you must live in lala land where everything fox news churns out from marketing any news that they invent in their own heads. obama did almost nothing because whenever the democrats compromized the republicans called for more. they only got obamacare by compromising democrat ideal of single payer heathcare to the 'compromize' of the affordable care act. until the supreme court called it a 'tax' and then this guy called grover went against ACAhttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57327816/the-pledge-grover-norquists-hold-on-the-gop/
well they made a nice 1980 lbs rover for mars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_rover, and its nuclear powered so we know how to build nuclear atvs but only for extra terrestrials...
while we are on the subject of inaccuracy technically anyone dying under age 13 is not even aware of aging, much less go through the advanced stages...
russian hackers expunged the site. i didn't follow links prior to finding this out. so sorry. i also screwed up my grammar but that doesn't bother me much
you shouldn't be torrenting with a power hungry desktop or laptop when a small linux run downloading box. there are many was to do this from a pi with NAS or other kit computers using slow chips, that sip power and are not huge hacking targets. http://lifehacker.com/274177/build-a-bittorrent-box
they reccomend 'old' box but there has been much progress in low power chips these days, and with bittorent network speed is part of the problem, unless you have fiber to the door then it's number of seeds.
"Meanwhile, big cable is doing everything they legally can to prevent the streaming providers from delivering good service."
i stream video over wifi and so does my phone with no service bloackage even my ps3 doesn't have an issue. now verizon they ARE throttling over cellular towers. i have tried to stream netflix over 4g lte networks and it is trash. google plus app for android also refuses to run over 4g lte even if you disable wifi. normally the android phone does everything over wifi and sends nothing over cell towers, for no good reason. the bad reason is pure greed. 2gb for $20 a month when you're lucky to pull 90 mb per month.
when a person can get a job at Walmart, and still qualify for sec8 housing that is sad. and Walmart is in the midst of a 50 billion dollar campaign to do this to millions of workers under its plan to apply Walmart values on small manufacturers. they know the government won't stop them, and 6 of the richest people in the USA the family owners of Walmart are salivating at the profit margins.
sweet i am trying it out now. whee
i remembered the name today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Network_Navigator
it was ahead of it's time which was why aol killed it off.
imagine that anything you can do with multiple windows can be done inside a browser like this http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=14689 that is what i meant by interesting layouts inside a browser that had a smaller footprint than netscape...
i remember that before there was iframes there was a cool browser that let you make as many frames from multiple sources and did it all on a 486 with 8mb of ram. sadly aol bought it and killed the tech. it's not like tabs because with tabs each site is on it's own tab as big as the window, with multi framing browsers you can literally load dozens of websites, adjust their frame size and scroll content in interesting ways. it is superior to tabs in every way. you could for instance load a porn site in a 10x480 pixel frame and drag and resize when the coast was clear while you were waiting on it to load perhaps in a place where you wouldn't dare open porn. sure we don't wait for porn to download anymore but at the time we did and it was essential to not show the url of the loading porn pane/frame.
"Defense systems would be great. You could get countries to nuke themselves using their own cyber ops team."
most nuke plants are water cooled turning off a water plant would cause the nuke plants that depend on that cooling water to melt their cores if not safely shut down. so yeah there is nuclear concerns and even a coal or nat gas plant also requires cooling and most are not near much water, as they tend to push them out of sight of normal people. so this is pretty serious stuff.