I noticed that the summary of this announcement carried no mention of the new Product Feedback site. One of the most important reasons a beta gets shipped is that we absolutely need feeback from the community on it in terms of both the its quality and in terms of the features it has.
By using this site you can send us that information which will get read and responded to. These issues are read by Developers, QA and Program Managers and all of them are addressed. This site is going live with the Betas and I'm hoping that it will spread to include all MS products not just the ones for developers.
You can also vote for the issues that you think are the most important. In that way we can then tell what the community is really interested in and how we should be focussing our reasources. I'm really happy about this development because I've felt that there has been too much of a disconnect between the company and the amazing amount of people in the community. By bringing each closer we can greatly improve how well our software will serve your needs.
I hope that the developers, hobbyists, and other interested people here will get a chance to download these Betas, try them out and let us know what they think of it. You might also want to look into blogs.msdn.com where you can communicate directly with a lot of people and have full conversations about things that interest you. I've posted my blog site below. It's open to everybody and I'd love to hear back from you. It's targetted toward C# developers, but if you're interested in other things that I don't know about, I'll try to help you find a relevant blog site about it.
Thanks very much for talking about this release and letting the developer world know about it!!
Merlin42: Please go to the product feedback center and report this so that the setup team knows that there is an issue. LadyBug allows you can post feedback and bugs of this nature. Thanks!
Visual Studio is able to debug multiple applications at the same time. C# and VB now have the "Rename" refactoring. Note: C# is not bound to MS technology. It's bound to ECMA standards. You can take what you develop in C# and run in on Mono or DotGnu, or vice versa
I've sent your feedback on the help system to the UE team. You might also want to check out LadyBug where you can post feeback and bugs and have the community vote on them.
Freedom of speech and freedom of anonymity go hand-in-hand. Your rejection of any opinions coming from those who are unwilling or unable to disclose their identity is incredibly disturbing. This is compounded in an age where ones thoughts and opinions can now get us in so much trouble. I genuinely hope that this bias of yours is something that you will be able to overcome in the future
Nice selective quoting. Here's the full paragraph:
"Amazon, which has been running Linux since 2000, has been steadily moving its infrastructure from Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Unix servers to Hewlett-Packard Co. ProLiant servers running Linux. The company said in a 2001 Securities and Exchange Commission filing that Linux cut its technology expenses by $16 million, or 25 percent."
They cut costs 25 percent over Sun servers (presumably running solaris). It makes no mention of Windows 2003.
Automatic updates only update security wholes and other critical bugs. Movie Maker updates are never delivered by automatic updates. You have to connect to WindowsUpdate in order to get them.
Even with BSD your code still remains open and in the public domain. Even if some company like Microsoft takes your code and incorporates it into their product, the code you released to the public is still available and people can still benefit from it.
One thing that you seem to forget is that XML is useful for putting down the structure of the object in question, while leaving the presentation up to some third-party app.
The XML snippet is indeed more verbose, however it carries much more semantic meaning than lour latex snippet which is just pure text.
How is this useful? Well assume that I'm blind and I use applications that speak text to me. I'll end up with:
"dollar-sign x carat 4..."
Whereas with MathML my text-to-speach agent can actuall say:
"x to the fifth plus 3 x minus nine equals zero".
I write latex a lot, and it's a joy to write expressions that will end up looking great. However, I know that when I do so, I'm leaving the mathematical world for the one of fascinating typesetting.
You say that XML can become to bloated to be edited by humans. On that point you are 100% correct. However, remember that one of the tenets of XML is that it should be possible, but not necessarily fun or easier, to hand code up input, as stated by the w3c . All that's required is that the format be human-legible and reasonably clear. If you find writing MathML too difficult (something which would not surprise me at all), then I suggest you work on a tool that converts Latex to MathML. Hell, I'll even help you with it. But given my experience with Latex I am extremely wary as I have no idea how that complicated beast works and I would imagine it would be quite difficult to infer a lot of the mathematical semantics from most Latex snippets.
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MSDN has a release called (appropriately) MSDN Express. It's approximately 250 MB.
-- Cyrus (http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn)
-- Cyrus (http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn)
By using this site you can send us that information which will get read and responded to. These issues are read by Developers, QA and Program Managers and all of them are addressed. This site is going live with the Betas and I'm hoping that it will spread to include all MS products not just the ones for developers.
You can also vote for the issues that you think are the most important. In that way we can then tell what the community is really interested in and how we should be focussing our reasources. I'm really happy about this development because I've felt that there has been too much of a disconnect between the company and the amazing amount of people in the community. By bringing each closer we can greatly improve how well our software will serve your needs.
I hope that the developers, hobbyists, and other interested people here will get a chance to download these Betas, try them out and let us know what they think of it. You might also want to look into blogs.msdn.com where you can communicate directly with a lot of people and have full conversations about things that interest you. I've posted my blog site below. It's open to everybody and I'd love to hear back from you. It's targetted toward C# developers, but if you're interested in other things that I don't know about, I'll try to help you find a relevant blog site about it.
Thanks very much for talking about this release and letting the developer world know about it!!
-- Cyrus (http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn)
-- Cyrus (http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn)
You can get this level of support from the Standard/Professional/Enterprise SKUs. The new tools will be part of the Visual Studio Team System release.
I'm glad to see your interest in the refactorings. It would be incredibly helpful if you could try them out and send us feedback
You might want to chack out LadyBug where you can post feeback and bugs and have the community vote on them.
-- Cyrus (http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn)
Visual Studio is able to debug multiple applications at the same time. C# and VB now have the "Rename" refactoring. Note: C# is not bound to MS technology. It's bound to ECMA standards. You can take what you develop in C# and run in on Mono or DotGnu, or vice versa
I've sent your feedback on the help system to the UE team. You might also want to check out LadyBug where you can post feeback and bugs and have the community vote on them.
-- Cyrus (http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn)
"If you are an AC, don't bother responding."
Freedom of speech and freedom of anonymity go hand-in-hand. Your rejection of any opinions coming from those who are unwilling or unable to disclose their identity is incredibly disturbing. This is compounded in an age where ones thoughts and opinions can now get us in so much trouble. I genuinely hope that this bias of yours is something that you will be able to overcome in the future
Nice selective quoting. Here's the full paragraph:
"Amazon, which has been running Linux since 2000, has been steadily moving its infrastructure from Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Unix servers to Hewlett-Packard Co. ProLiant servers running Linux. The company said in a 2001 Securities and Exchange Commission filing that Linux cut its technology expenses by $16 million, or 25 percent."
They cut costs 25 percent over Sun servers (presumably running solaris). It makes no mention of Windows 2003.
Automatic updates only update security wholes and other critical bugs. Movie Maker updates are never delivered by automatic updates. You have to connect to WindowsUpdate in order to get them.
Even with BSD your code still remains open and in the public domain. Even if some company like Microsoft takes your code and incorporates it into their product, the code you released to the public is still available and people can still benefit from it.
Could you give a link to one of these known holes in the security model of Windows 2k3?
One thing that you seem to forget is that XML is useful for putting down the structure of the object in question, while leaving the presentation up to some third-party app.
..."
The XML snippet is indeed more verbose, however it carries much more semantic meaning than lour latex snippet which is just pure text.
How is this useful? Well assume that I'm blind and I use applications that speak text to me. I'll end up with:
"dollar-sign x carat 4
Whereas with MathML my text-to-speach agent can actuall say:
"x to the fifth plus 3 x minus nine equals zero".
I write latex a lot, and it's a joy to write expressions that will end up looking great. However, I know that when I do so, I'm leaving the mathematical world for the one of fascinating typesetting.
You say that XML can become to bloated to be edited by humans. On that point you are 100% correct. However, remember that one of the tenets of XML is that it should be possible, but not necessarily fun or easier, to hand code up input, as stated by the w3c . All that's required is that the format be human-legible and reasonably clear. If you find writing MathML too difficult (something which would not surprise me at all), then I suggest you work on a tool that converts Latex to MathML. Hell, I'll even help you with it. But given my experience with Latex I am extremely wary as I have no idea how that complicated beast works and I would imagine it would be quite difficult to infer a lot of the mathematical semantics from most Latex snippets.