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Microsoft Sues Brazilian Official for Defamation
The Importance of writes "Larry Lessig is reporting that Microsoft is threatening a defamation lawsuit against Sergio Amadeu, President of the National Institute of Information Technology (ITI) of Brazil, for comments he has made about Microsoft's business practices, "accusing the company of a 'drug-dealer practice' for offering the operational system Windows to some governments and city administration for digital inclusion programs. 'This
is a trojan horse, a form of securing critical mass to continue constraining the country'." Additionally, "To Amadeu, this will be a decisive year to win the 'strategy of fear, uncertainty and doubt', as he classifies the business model of Microsoft." Microsoft's complaint claims that this is "an excess in freedom of speech and freedom of thought, by means of the dissemination of information." Read a translation of the complaint [PDF] and the original article, "The Penguin Advances [PDF]." Lessig notes that this may be defamation in Brazil, but would not be considered defamation in the United States."
"...for offering the operational system Windows..."
Calling windows "operational" HAS to be a crime somewhere.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Suing and threatening to sue ARE NOT equal!
A blog like any other.
and saying "Linux is a cancer" is just an objective observation.
I shall go and tell the indestructible man that someone plans to murder him.
It looks to me as though the only real question MS can expect a favourable ruling on is question 6: 'Is there any logical connection and/or intention from the Defendant in tipifying (sic) the behavior of the Plaintiff as "drug dealer practice" with the subsequent expression made in the interview of "fear strategy"? '
Pretty much all of the other "questions" have fairly easy-to-respond to answers which will reflect badly on MS business practices, ie: the low-cost-of-entry and high-cost-of-maintenance, buy in haste, repent at leisure type. I don't think there's any relationship between this overall strategy and the FUD one though, they're just 2 distinct dodgy business practices that MS use [grin]
Simon.
Physicists get Hadrons!
"we meet bad speech with more speech, not with more lawyers."(from the blog post)
is it really so? doesn't seem like...
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Shut up and go play with the other kids...
I hereby designate Microsoft's lawsuit Operation Footbullet.
P.S.
Maybe Brazil will even fix the broken law.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Really, if someone calls you on your business practices because they're considered nasty... is the best reaction to threaten them?
To be fair, I don't think MS could win this particular battle - almost any business would be willing to deep discount (or offer for free) the first wave of their product to land a long term contract...
This is simply an accurate description of MS business practices. But MS were never shy of making fools of themselves.
Anyway, I'm posting this as Anonymous Coward, after all, you never know...
Strange that they didn't argue it was untrue.
If I say that Microsoft's is akin to those of the Maifa, that there licensing schemes are more like the fifdom taxation scheme of Ole England, and that their very existence threatens innovation and the advancement of technology, would I get sued too? I guess I'd have to say those things in a public forum, and be in the position to influence thebuing decisions on thousands, if not millions of people. Kinda like /. .
Bring it own Bill!
Vern Seward
I yam what I yam, and dats all dat I yam!
for those who are PDF challenged, please if you are an author and content is worth more than presentation, use text/html if its published on the internet
The Complaint
PINHEIRO NETO LAW FIRM
To the Honorable Judge of Law from the Criminal Court of the District of Barueri, State of
Sao Paulo.
MICROSOFT INFORMATICA LTDA, a company duly incorporated and existing
according to the laws of Brazil, with its headquarters at the City of Sao Paulo, at Avenida das
Nacoes Unidas 12901, Torre Norte, 27 th floor, enrolled under the taxpayers list under
number 60.316.817/ 0001-03, by means of its legal representative (Document number 01) and
undersigned lawyers, respectfully files before this court and against SERGIO AMADEU
DA SILVEIRA, Brazilian citizen, President of the National Institute of Information
Technology (ITI), with headquarters at SCN Quadra 04 Bloco B Pétala D, room 1102,
Edificio Centro Empresarial Varig, CEP 70710-500, Brasilia, DF, the following
DEMAND FOR EXPLANATION
on the grounds of Article 25 of the Federal Statute 5,250 of February 1967 -"The Press
Law", for the reasons and motives explained below:
I-On the exclusive jurisdiction of this Honorable Court to Receive, Process and Decide the
Present Demand for Explanation
1. Under the express provisions of article 42 of the Press Law, which is mandatory, the
jurisdiction to receive, process and decide the Demand for Explanation is that of the place
where the newspaper or periodical, in this case, the place where the magazine Carta Capital,
was printed. Said magazine published the article which the Plaintiff deems as incriminated.
See below:
Article 42 Ð "The place of the violation, for determining Territorial Jurisdiction, will
be that where the newspaper or the periodical was printed, and that of the place where
the studio of the permitted or conceded radio station is located, as well as the main
place of business of the news agency.
Sole Paragraph Ð Press Crimes are subject to the provisions of article 85 of the
Criminal Procedure Code.
2. The precedents of our Courts are uncontroversial in ratifying the provisions of the Especial
Law, according to the following decisions listed in the law reviews: JUTACRIM 68/ 181; 67/
225; 78/ 412; RT 555/ 343; 559/ 379; 556/ 315; 578/ 361; 656/ 269; 603/ 365 etc.
3. According to the administrative information of the abovementioned magazine, it is printed
at Avenida Marcos Penteado Ulhoa Rodrigues, 700, Santana de Parnaiba/ SP, Plural Editora e 1
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Grafica, in the district of Barueri.
4. For this reason, this Court must process and decide the present Demand for Explanation.
II -On the Facts
5. On March 17, 2004, the Magazine Carta Capital published under the title "The Penguin
Advances" a jornalistic article about the growing of private companies which would start to
adopt free software, and about the intention of the federal government to launch an
advertising campaign in favor of this type of software.
6. In this jornalistic article, Mr. Sergio Amadeu, Defendant herein, in the exercise of his
public duties of President of the National Institute of Information Technology (ITI), aiming at
disseminating free software among Ministries, State owned companies and governmental
bodies, made aggressive declarations lacking any kind of technical foundation about the use
of the software developed by Microsoft, Plaintiff herein.
III. On the References and Comments made to the Plaintiff company by the Defendant, from
which one can infer Defamation
7. With purposes still to be clarified, the Defendant, at the condition of President of ITI, gave
an intervitew to the magazine Carta Capital, in which he makes reference and imputations of
offensive nature to the Plaintiff, using phrases and expressions from which defamation is
inferred, under the terms of the article 21 of Statute 5.250/ 67, as fo
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THE PENGUIN ADVANCES
The number of private companies adopting Linux grows. And the Federal Government has
decided to take the fight against Microsoft.
By Marineide Marques
When the Finnish Linus Torvalds created Linux, a decade ago, there were many prophecies
about a quick revolution that the free operational system would unleash, taking down the
competitors in the market. Recent data indicates that the changes were not so radical, as
predicted by many analysts, but they have started to take place in a quicker pace now.
In Brazil, a recent survey by the Yankee Group with 200 of the largest Brazilian private
companies indicates that 14% have the intention of adopting Linux this year. The survey
stresses another data, obtained from the consulting firm IDC Brasil, specialized in the sector:
17% of corporate servers in Brazil use so-called free software or open systems.
A small effect. To Mr. Oliveira and Mr. Madrid, from Microsoft, the use of Linux is restrict.
The list includes retail sellers such as Carrefour and the Renner Chain Stores, banks like
HSBC and ABN Amro and the phone carrier GVT. "The main reason for changing are the
costs, performance and security", affirms Charles Schweitzer, an analyst from IDC Brasil.
Contrary to the so-called proprietary software, whose use is based on the payment of
licenses, the open systems, as the name itself explains, provide open access to the source-code,
the group of commands giving shape to a computer program. This allows the user to
get to know exactly what is inside the software and modify if at will. It is the dream of every
nerd to get to know, for instance, the source code of Microsoft Windows, a secret as pursued
as Coca-Colas formula.
The possibility of adopting a system that can be adapted to your business, or customized,
using the managerial jargon, allied with the lower cost regarding proprietary systems, seduces
a larger and larger number of companies.
Carrefour has been testing Linux for a few months in more than one hundred cashiers. "We
have been studying the performance of the machines to develop a plan of migrating all the
supermarket chain", explains the information technology manager of the retail chain, Andre
de Souza.
Carrefour has more than seven thousand cashiers all over Brazil and is an important
newcomer to the free software allies. According to Souza, only in license costs, the economy
is 30%. Despite being free, Linux is not gratis. Anyone can download the program from the
Internet and use it, but the companies usually purchase the software from distributors, in a
package that includes support and maintenance. Other advantages perceived by Carrefour are
speed and stability. "A cashier running Linux takes 30 seconds to perform an operation that 1
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would take three minutes using another operational system", says Souza.
He emphasizes also the earnings, even though they are not measurable, of independence by
suppliers, that is, not to be stuck with only one manufacturer, since Linux is developed by
many companies. The manager does not cite names, but who knows a bit better the universe
of bits and bytes knows that he is talking about Microsoft, owner of Windows, the platform
that dominates 60% of the servers of Brazilian companies, according to numbers provided by
the Fundacao Getulio Vargas (FGV). Servers are powerful machines that manage computers
integrating the same network.
The advance of Linux in the corporate market is not overlooked by Microsoft, but the giant
founded by the billionaire Bill Gates sees open systems as niche applications. "In ten years,
Linux has only been able to get a restrict participation in specific segments, such as retail and
web", comments the strategic manager of Microsoft, Eduardo Campos de Oliveira.
It is not like this. Little by little Linux has started to conquer the sector the invests the most in
information
this reminds me of a tom lehrer song where different countries want 'the bomb'
Now with Microsoft they have waged 'war' with china, the EU, netherlands, Canada, and who's next?
A google news search turns up over 120 people / companies Microsoft has sued.
So who's next, It may even be you! if the RIAA can do it why not our beloved M$
If I bad mouth MicroSoft, I get a gigantic cube on my tail?
Looks like if you have a shit load of money, then there's no reason to care about your reputation. Who knows how much bad publicity MicroSoft has received, not to mention dates with vaious courts all over the freakin' planet.
In this inadvertently hilarious google translation Microsoft Brazil says they were only asking for an explaination and were misreported. First noted by Alistair Burt on the Lessig blog.
insecurity asks the wrong question irritation gives the wrong answer
Drug dealing goes like this:
- give away a product
- build a dependancy
- begin charging for the product
- introduce new "stronger" product
Q) How is that like anything Microsoft has ever done?
A) Microsoft has never cut their product with corn starch (that we know of).
boycott slashdot February 10th - 17th check out: altSlashdot.org
....when he reads "The Penguin Advances" PDF linked in this article.
"In order to avoid that someone would appropriate the improvements to make a closed version, Torvalds has created a special use license that forbids the original code or any subsequent modification made upon it to be closed"
In the United States, truth is an absolute defense against charges of slander or libel. This is one of the many immensely logical precepts of our legal system that most of us on Slashdot (including myself, I know) take for granted just as we criticize other aspects of the same system. Let's have a round of applause for the US in this matter, and then go right back to criticism. :)
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They are just like the linux guys who threw so much FUD at Microsoft that they've retaliated so hard against us. From the beginning, Linux guys have made their goal the destruction of Microsoft. That attitude is what I think created or exacerbated the problem we have today.
That dislike of Microsoft is a product of putting up with years of Microsoft's abuse of their customers, not because everyone suddenly decided that "OS vendors should not have names beginning with M, and everyone in such a class should be destroyed".
May we never see th
It's just like a camp fire. We can all sing some heartening songs now.
I recently commented on how the Roman Church has used effectively the over-zealous Brazilian laws on libel and difamation to fight any churches that make inroads on what they consider their home turf. Now it seems that Redmond is taking some clues from Rome.
Actually he's doing nothing more but saying what Bill G. has said in the past.
Here, for example:
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Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
"an excess in freedom of thought"
That doesn't sound any alarms with anyone else? Are they trying to say this is literally a *thought crime*?
Holy crap.
This is another marketing scheme by Microsoft employees to get Microsoft in the news and on Slashdot.
I certainly would never have known that a government official in Brazil compared Microsoft marketing people to "drug-dealers", if it weren't repeated in the quiet privacy of a Slashdot story.
Without a lawsuit, most Brazilians would never have heard what the official said. Now millions of Brazilians will know. What will be their reaction? Consider this. Less than two months after the September 11, 2001 bombing of the World Trade Center, at the costume parties celebrating the Brazilian equivalent of Halloween, many Brazilians came as Osama bin Laden. Brazilians and people from other countries think that the U.S. government is arrogant and out of control. Since 3 movies and 35 books published in the U.S. say this too, it can be said that the feeling is strong. Microsoft's legal action will be seen as more arrogance from the United States, probably.
My guess is that it is likely that this new move by Microsoft will only help sell Bill Gates Halloween masks. It certainly won't help sell Microsoft products.
IANAL, but when a lawyer in Brazil wants to prosecute someone for libel, s/h/it must ask first for an "explanation". The accused is then given a chance to say "I was misunderstood, sorry about that", before being actually found guilty and sent to jail. There are different levels of libel and difamation. "Calúnia" is saying something that can be proved to be false about someone. "Injúria" is saying something that may be true, but is derogatory in some way. For instance, if I said "Slashdot editors don't read their own front page", this is patently true, but is offensive, so it would be a felony in Brazil.
You're a fucking idiot.
Microsoft's complaint claims that this is "an excess in freedom of speech and freedom of thought...
only microsoft would try to sue someone for having a thought...
Maybe you forget that Marcelo Tosatti, a Brazilian, is the maintainer of the Linux 2.4 kernel? Linus sure seems to trust his code.
This is true and sheer genius. Dunno about Brazilian law, but this might even be usable in a US court.
May we never see th
To ask for a clarification formally in a court of justice, like MS did, IS the first step in a libel lawsuit in Brazil. That's the equivalent of a judge in the USA asking the defendant "you are being acused on these charges, how do you plead?"
Truth is not a defense to defamation in Brazil.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Better mod this one down before the editors get "sued" :-)
Considering that windows comes pre-installed in most PCs, many people believe it to be "free", in the no-pay sense. It's like including a stone of crack in the school enrollment fee.
If MS are going to go after some random poster on /. then they can easily subpoena the IP that posted out of OSDN. Sorry to melt the tinfoil hat =)
Stuff that you'd get away with saying in the USA, you can get sued for in most other countries. US firms have picked up on this and are a lot more litigious about such things outside the US. So are American celebrities, reprint tabloid stuff outside the US at your peril. It might be safe to call a certain actor's sexuality into question in the US, but do it in Australia or the UK and you'll wind up in court. Neither country has a "right" to free speech (except for politicians protected by parliamentry privilige, who really don't want to share that privilige with their critics).
Funny thing about defamation law. You don't have to prove that you're reputation has been damaged. It is accepted that this is almost impossible to reliably prove (it isn't like Slashdot Karma). Hence the law assumes that, because you've gone to court over it, your reputation must have been damaged. Also plaintiffs do not have to pay defendant's legal bills in most countries, hence defamation is a good way for rich plaintiffs to get the little guy, because the little guy, even if what he said was true, will still have to pay sizable legal bills.
I think it's just hilarious that Microsoft seems to believe there are limits to the freedom of thought. Especially when it comes to incredibly important matters like their business model.
Someone is wrong on the Internet!
Then what am I doing studying from textbooks and writing essays? Real life may be graphical, but a wide range of employment is text based. The key is an even balance to the two, especially if the system is to be used in both settings.
"Sergio Amadeu, himself, have posted a short note about Microsoft's move. It's in portuguese, of course, but here is the translation into english:
'In special response to national and international enquiries from the press, that have been supportive with the brazilian government in this unprecedented moment in which the president of an important public institution in this country suffers personally the action of those interested in keeping an hegemonic model, I come forward, after listening to my lawyers and federal solicitors, to say that the judicial provocation imposed against me is, by its own, so unusual and improper that it does not deserve any answer.
In the other hand, I'd like to register that the purchase of software that preserves the values of openness and freedom is, for the brazilian government, a subject unavoidably connected to the democratic principle. And for it have been a long and painful path to reach our current democratic developmental stage in this country, we will not walk out our fight.
If democracy is a value full of ideology, it will never be an insignificant value. If democracy is a dream, it's the one dream this country will never wake up from.
The future is free.
Thanks you all for the support. '
Microsoft's complaint claims that this is "an excess in freedom of speech and freedom of thought, by means of the dissemination of information."
Holy context Batman. I love how the submitter is so blatantly trying to get everyone riled up with that quote (oh no, thought crime!), when in fact that quote is actually just a direct translation of Article 12 of the Brazilian Press Law. (Microsoft is directly quoting the law when they use it in the complaint).
I don't like to feed the trolls, but you proved to be ignorant not only in technology but in geography too.
So... isn't spreading the idea that what you said is legally libelous, rather than the truth, worthy of a countersuit? ;)
It seems to me that you are on serious lack of geographic knowledge, or you cannot read properly, 'cause the very link on your post says that an African country have the highest HIV infection rate (Brazil is on South America, btw). The text doesn't even mentions Brazil.
Besides, the Brazilian's government program against AIDS was appointed as an example for other countries by the United Nations (I don't have the links here, but you can find it for yourself if you do a simple search about it).
As for the brazilian code, you should know better... that's all...
Drug dealers are going to sue Sergio Amadeu for defamation.
They clearly sued the wrong person over publishing an article comparing their business practices to drug dealers since after all, we have this prior statement published in the July 20th 1998 edition of Fortune "Although about three million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll someday figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." from Mr. Gates.
Drug dealers are suing a Brazilian official for defamation, after he compared their business practices to Microsoft's.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
It is dangerous to assume that you are protected when your language is inflammatory and misleading, though narrowly truthful in detail. Where Truth Fails as a Defense .
Microsoft may have a difficult time with this lawsuit, because the drug dealer analogy came from Bill Gates:
"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay for the software," he said. "Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
If Bill Gates compares his company to drug dealers, why can't a Brazilian official do so, too?
Slander/libel = spreading lies to make someone look bad.
Its not slander unless you are lying. Thats what slander means.
Its like saying "not killing someone is an absolute defense against a murder charge."
The author says that Torvalds "has created" the licence under which Linux is released, well I know one guy at MIT who will be happy to learn that...Read My Sign
I mean, you can't quite going around suing people for speaking the truth.
Join Tor today!
I wonder if this is the very concept William Gates conceived when he was writing the famous (and infamous) Open Letter to Hobbyists. I guess there are things to learn even from drug dealers then. Brilliant nevertheless, brilliant -- regardless of the quality of what he sells.
Can't wait for the drug dealer association to sue him for defamation for comparing them with Micosoft ;)
Correct me if I am wrong, but a few years ago Bill stepped down as CEO and became a top chairman of Microsoft? Of course he still has plenty of sway in it, but I distincly remember service and Public Relations taking a downhill fall not long after this happened.
I guess what I am trying to say, is has anyone else noticed this as well? After the CEO switch Microsoft decided to start dumping on its customers and users in a way previously unheard of in the software industry. With Microsoft allegedly funding SCO and now this, it makes me wonder what is going on behind the curtains of Microsoft. Bill was a cool guy on a personal level. A great coder, even if he has some sneaky buisness practices. But I could never -ever- see him stooping the these recent lows.
"We're breaking out the ramen noodles. . . "
"Really? Is it someone's birthday?"
You know, I'm sick and tired of these "Windows has a lower TCO than Linux" ads. Why doesn't someone sue Microsoft for false advertising?
any chance of electing Sergio Amadeu in the US?
i'm tired of chosing between the lesser of evils.
Neither country has a "right" to free speech (except for politicians protected by parliamentry privilige, who really don't want to share that privilige with their critics).
I wouldn't say that there is no right to free speech altogether - generally, in democratic countries outside the US, generally you can advocate any kind of political ideas, but there are limitations for factual claims about concrete people and companies. (In the US, you can sue for damage compensation afterwards, as well, but in many countries, you can ban claims to stop the damage).
I think it is difficult to say what is better, both kinds of regulations have their advantages and disadvantages. Of course, any limitation of freedom of speech is regrettable, but on the other hand, it can also be important to have the possibility to stop unfair practises that consist in spreading unsubstanciated claims to harm competitors. A good example is SCO: In Germany, they are not allowed to spread allegations about the alleged copyright and licence infringement of Linux because they could not show anything to substanciate them, they had to remove these claims from their German website.
This is illegal in brazil? There's no difference between an analogy and a statement of (alleged) fact? Pretty strange methinks. So you can't have an opinion, even if it's based on data that can be verified, and use an analogy to describe your opinion. Seems like normal conversations might get a scosh weird then, how can you discuss various things there without going to court every other day?
Yum, yum, I was hungry! Thank you!
Here nearly everyone uses pirated copies of Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office in Home PCs.
:(
Microsoft complains with piracy to make us Windows dependent, the price of a OEM copy of Windows costs more than most of the people here uses to live for one month.
For us doesn't make any sense to pay for a OEM copy witch we will not have assistance, and almost all "normal"(non-geek) will need to pay for assistance when a virus infect windows, most of them pays for geek neighbours to reinstall a copy of pirated windows when this happens.
Of course in companies in Brazil most windows copies aren't pirated, this is the market they wants, companies and government computers.
But i'm quite happy that now we have a law here that says that open source will be always the first choice in govern departments, this is making the Microsoft President of Brazil going crazy, all declarations i've seen from him sens desperate actions.
I'm using Linux for 1 year, i still have winXP but for 8 months i didn't used it for more than 1 hour for week, i feel nice to stopped using pirated software, when people here understand that piracy isn't normal things will be better. Government actions to make Microsoft stop to learn our people to use pirated copies would be nice too.
Sorry my bad english, aspell doesn't work for everything
Someone should send that quote to him. This would vaporize MS' case. Do it if you want to see them take a beating.
There's Yet Another PetitionOnline for this story.
Brill sales strategy. This will make MS software very popular in Brazilian government circles. Probably means that MS has written that customer off and the a-hole suit put in charge of the sale is getting back at him.
And guess what?
It's worse in a court of law. You know, that place where Microsoft was convicted of violating the law for, among other things, illegally using drug-dealer-like business strategies to maintain their monopoly....
- Short your own stock
- Sue customers
- Make it known that you can't win lawsuits
- Profit
Get the steps out of order and 4 might not be too successful.IANAL, but the words "sort of addicted" and "drug dealer" seem to me to kind of go together. The Brazillian can call me if he wants $20 towards his lawsuit.
Yes, but the thing is -- once you use GNU/Linux, you don't *want* to use other stuff -- but that's okay, because you can download all the GNU/Linux you want for free and will always be able to do so.
You are absolutely right, and here is the key difference between GNU and Microsoft:
With Microsoft, you have customer lock-in that actively discourages and often prevents a customer from chosing another system they would otherwise prefer. Evidence of this abounds in virtually every medium one might consider, from the opinion pages of Chicago newspapers to court filings in assorted lawsuits against Microsoft brought by companies and governments large and small, to the pages of the World Wide Web. Customer lock-in is real, destructive, and most importantly to a democratic government: non-democratic (ie choice is removed).
GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, and other free software do not lock anyone in. Indeed, many free applications have been ported to Microsoft's inferior platform because people wanted to run the software and needed to keep running windows (quite probably due to customer lock-in).
The difference? With GNU/Linux you have the choice, even the choice to chose bondage to a large American corporate entity (read: run Windows). With Microsoft, you have no such choice: you are locked quite firmly in regardless of your other desires...with the only possible way out to dump Microsoft products completely.
The wisdom of such a choice is incontravertable, whether one is considering software quality, security, stability, or freedom, but that doesn't mean one has the ability to make such a choice, of one's data is already beholden to the behemoth. Even more so, now that Microsoft appears to be taking the $CO path more directly these days ("no customer, and especially no ex-customer, is safe").
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
If I say that Microsoft's is akin to those of the Maifa, that there licensing schemes are more like the fifdom taxation scheme of Ole England, and that their very existence threatens innovation and the advancement of technology, would I get sued too? I guess I'd have to say those things in a public forum, and be in the position to influence thebuing decisions on thousands, if not millions of people. Kinda like /.
If you are in the United States you are safe (not from being sued, but from losing). Truth is an absolute defense, regardless of how damaging it may be. And every word you wrote is true.
Caveate: the truth used to set you free, pre-Bush/Chaney/Rumsfeld/Rice. These days, all bets are off, domestic or foreign.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Lets face it, they are right about Microsoft business practices often go outside of US law. Take for example http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14443 which Microsoft sells it's products to foreign companies at about 10% that of US national prices.
Now to sell the same product at different pricing based on who you are is a discriminatory practice is it not?
So North Americans get to pay 10 times as much... how does that make you feel?
Having the President of the National Institute of Information Technology trashing you is one thing. Being painted in the popular press as a bully is icing on the cake. The trick is to make any court case a referendum on MS business practices. Has someone started a legal defense fund?
:w
didnt know you could get sued for stating the obvious these days.
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or getting sued over pointing out the truth.
wait, yes I did, that's right everyone sues someone else to hush them up or to ruin their life or to a little more cash here and there..
the man in brazil is correct bout m$, they are like a drug dealer, they spread their product, and lock in customers, and stifle all competition and innovation using unfair and illegal methods.
In this case, innovation could be compared to someone cleaning up a community, which would be a hazard for a drug dealer, so the drug dealer gets friends to kill who ever tries to make the area better and make it work for them again, so their business model isnt threatened,such as how manycompanies and linux try to make innovations and bette ralternatives to windows, microsoft goes at the mand makest he market hostile for them and plays unfair because they believe they shouldnt have competition.
Unfair and illegal methods could be compared to dealer killing off anyone who sells another kind of drug, in "their territory" or those who dare offer a way for people to stop using a drug the dealer sells.
(such as them using lies and propagnda, lawsuits, slander, copyrights, etc to attack linux and all opposing forces.)
So the man is correct, and he could so use that in court, too bad he doesnt read
but I imagine him and his attornies already thought of how to back that.
But he is correct, and he pointed out ag ood anology that describes microsoft. and it pisses them off because it's going to threaten their dominance and status among another 3rd world nation that they want to con for all its worth.
microcrap better shut up before things get ugly for them down there ... i mean DEAD ugly. ... kind of willing-to-take-a-bullet type of body guard.
They better have very good body guards
this is brazil we are talking about...AND I M NOT EVEN TRYING TO BE FUNNY HERE!
That it's not DEFINITION of character? Or lack of character? This is an absolutely beautiful description of M$ business practices.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
Somebody in Redmond has been reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People". And then they're totally not doing the things the book says to do.
What an impressive boner.
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
So, the fact that brazilian law has written into it the notion of thought crimes means Microsoft's attempt to apply the definition of thought crime to its critics in a court of law an effort to declare their critics' spoken thoughts crimes doesn't represent Microsoft's stance on the issue?
Come on, spare us the Microsoft spin. Those who exploit and enforce unjust laws are no less unjust or evil themselves simply because the law itself exists and is on the books. Just ask anyone who spent the time as the wrong ethnicity at the wrong time in Iran, Iraq, Cambodia, Serbia, Spain, France, Germany, the United States, or several dozen other places.
The filing is in fact very revealing of Microsoft's mentality on the matter
This, irrespective of the truth of the assertions being made, that their ploy does indeed bear remarkable similiarity to the marketing methods of the drug cartels.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
From this suit MS will start suing drug dealers for infringing upon their business model. The legal and illegal drug dealers will have to start paying MS 10% of their gross income.
Your Average Joe
The words may come from the Brazilian Press Law but Microsoft is the one saying it applies in this instance.
An while it may be the law in Brazil, we can still judge an American company's actions in Brazil by our own views of Freedom of Speech. It certainly seems that Microsoft's respect for that freedom isn't very high at the moment.
hey thicko swaziland and brazil are two different countries. brazil hardly rank the highest these days - US rates are not way far off by comparison.
Here in Brasil (yup, that's the right way to write our country's name) we use the word "droga" both as a literal translation for "drug" and to say "something that doesn't worth a piece of shit".
Micro$oft's NOS (non operational systems) in hospitals kill more people then crack, heroine...
They ARE "drug dealers" indeed
Okay, so we should be riled up over MS using the quote. We should be riled up that a) the law exists and b) MS is using. Maybe Brazil has a more responsive political system where it will be fixed instead of years of not change in blatantly bad laws (*cough*DMCA,NET,etc*cough*).
Eurohacker European paranoia, gun rights, and h
the Brazilian's government program against AIDS was appointed as an example for other countries by the United Nations
We breaked the patents to save our people from death, everyone here that haves AIDS don't need to buy the drugs to keep surviving, the governament produces(it makes the costs 1/3 of the original price) and give them for free.
I'm sure Joe Goebbels and Addie Hitler had equally kind words to say about the people who opposed them, citing 'excesses' and abuse of free speech and so forth.
What is remarkable is that the description of MS's scummy business practices is not that different from Gates' own description of them. The words are a bit different, but the meaning is the same. It's just that Gates sees this as OK, and others don't.
So in a perverse sense it boils down not to defamation but to simply not liking what Bill is doing.
Heil Bill.
Can we really trust a company like this to controll our content? The fact is that with DRM or any of these types of technologies - computers and routers have no way of telling the difference between copyright content and free speech content, at some level you are going to need a person or an institution to decide what is permitted and what is not. Is MS really the kind of company we want making these decisions?
Nope, cant have that now can we..
Taking a hint from the RIAA and suing their customers.. smart.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Amadeu wasn't rignt about their business practices.
...but how about all the FUD they spread about FOSS? Can't they see any similarity? Personally, I don't see big difference between calling MS's methods as "like a drug dealer's" and sponsoring guys writing something like "Linux is a threat to national security with it's source code avaiable to everyone - including US enemies and terrorists".
quoting: ... an excess in freedom of thought ...
... Well how much is this freedom-of-thought-limit down at US? Haven't seen any other lawsuits about it to US citizens, i mean :-).
WOW.
I am not familiar with these practices. No wonder why people tend to consider US citizens as dump. If they exceed average think-load it is concidered crime
Should i take it people their are below this safety limit? MS massively insults people this way...
I wonder what would prompt MS to sue down there for what is a realtively tame statement considering their own slanderous statements and "studies"? If it is easier to sue against lies, perhaps the Linux community should consider doing a law suit against MS for many of their statements AND their studies. They would then have to prove it in court. I wonder how IDC/Gartner/etc would handle being sued as well?
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Well it *is* kinda ironic to see an American company using "an excess in freedom of speech" as an avenue of attack. Seems like this much touted "freedom of speech" is fine as long it it applies only to yourself. It is like an American or European company using child labor in some Asian country, it's just wrong even though it might be legal there.
Hi,
I had translated the official answer of Sergio Amadeu to the press regarding this issue. While there is no proccess, Amadeu received an offical judicial notification asking for an apologize in 48 hours. The original note is on the site of the CIPSGA, a local NGO commited to free software. There are other related news on CIPSGA site as well, including a microsoft answer (I will not loose my time translating that - use the fish).
Notice to the Press- Sérgio Amadeu
In attention to the national and international press demand, which supports the brazillian government in this moment without precedent in History, in which the director of an important puclic institution in this country sufferes personally the action of those interested in keeping an hegemonic model, write, after hearing my lawyers, state that the justice act enacted against me is, in itself, so unexpected and outrageous, that it doesn't deserve an answer.
On the other hand, I'd like to state that the contraction of software preserving the values of freedom and opennes fis, for the Brazilan Governent, a question linked to the very core of the democratic principles. And why a long and painfull path has passed for we to get at the current status of democraticy on this Country, we shall stand firm in our fight.
If democracy is a value filled with ideologies, it is never an insgnificant factor. If democracy is a dream, it is a dream from which this Country will nerver wake again.
The future is free.
SÉRGIO AMADEU DA SILVEIRA
Diretor-Presidente
Instituto Nacional de Tecnologia da Informação
-><- no
Is telling the truth defamation? Microsoft does have a practice of giving away software to lock people in their format so that they'll buy MS softwares forever. It's quite similar of drug dealers' tactic of giving away drugs to get people addicted so that they'll forever buy drugs. How is this very close tactical comparison defamation?
Open source is good, open source ....
Open source is good, open source
Open source is good,
This is bad publicity for Microsoft and will do nothing to increase their image and profitability in less well off countries.
"an excess in freedom of speech and freedom of thought, by means of the dissemination of information." Ummmmkay...
Is the juice worth the sqeeze?
Now that those "quaint" antimonopoly laws in US and EU have been paid thru, Emperor Bill will be curtailing "excessive freedom" around the world, then bringing that innovation back home to the land of the free. M$ uber alles!
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make install -not war
- It gave in the Land: Microsoft clarifies asked for of explanation the director of the ITI
Now we need to hear what Amadeu has to say.Editoria: Governments
18/Jun/2004 - 09:44
The Microsoft emitted a note today where he clarifies the episode of the explanation order that the company made Sergio Amadeu of the Silveira, president of the National Institute of Technology of Information (ITI). In interview to the magazine Capital Letter in the March month, Amadeu said that the company used "tactics of the gratuitous dealers" when supplying softwares programs of digital inclusion, what it would be a way to accustom the users.
The explanation order generated rumors of that the Microsoft would be processing managing of the ITI. It reads to follow the complete one of the note of the Microsoft, signed for Rinaldo Zangirolami, General Director of Legal and Corporative Subjects of the Microsoft Brazil:
Note of clarification
"we are not processing nobody, and the order of explanations is not related to a personal question.
The Microsoft continues engaged with a respectful and opened dialogue with the government, customers and the industry to address the necessities of the Brazilian economy and the community.
The Microsoft is present in the country has 14 years more than. Our commitment with the country is of long stated period. By means of ours 10,000 partners, 45,000 jobs are generated in Brazil and more than R$ 1 billion is collected in taxes annually.
Rinaldo General Managing Zangirolami of Legal and Corporative Subjects Microsoft Brazil"
Source: Land Computer science
so you wrote your congressman asking for support of the DMCRA instead of just bitching about the DMCA here?
-- "Someone's gotta go back for a shit-load of dimes."
It seems Bill Gates has but two buttons installed on his desk to reply to perceived threats labeled sue and buy.
While it's true MS sometimes chooses the discredit option, that's usually done through suing the threat (sometimes through a third party - think SCO vs. Linux) or buying a study or article discrediting the threat. Hmm. Maybe there's just a general "destroy" button and his underlings decide on the appropriate method. What do you all think?
and saying "Linux is a cancer" is just an objective observation.
A cancer and a developing foetus look much alike.
(Especially to someone who doesn't want the baby born.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Interesting that M$ would use the laws of a country that allows politicos to bring charges to muzzle dissent. A lot of Americans thing Brazil is some sort of paradise. It is a nightmare of despair wrought by American neoconservative-backed strongarm politics. Yeah, you can check out the hot pussy in Rio, but you should see a favela.
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
So he (Sergio Amadeu) shouldn't have said that.
..freedom of speach?
how about
but sure MS will sue them in Bazil laws, they'r not só stupid.
Hivemind harvest in progress..
"Please explain how Microsoft is like a drug dealer!" ...for asking such intriguing questions. With bait like that, the court is liable to be /.ed with friend of the court briefs.
All hail -- bow down -- to Microsoft. It is afterall only doing its fiduciary dooty. It stinks to high heaven but you are used to it by now, or get used to it.
Microsoft suing Brazilian schoolchildren for calling Ballmer/Gates a "poopoo head?"
In the defense of open source, Amadeu did not spare Microsoft from his criticism, whom he accused of performing the "practice of trafficing" for offering the operating system Windows to some governments and mayors for installation in their digital inclusion programs. "This is a trojan horse, using the critical masses to guarantee the continuing imprisonment of the country."
iksrazal
That's precisely what happened to pseudo-historian David Irving in British court. When he sued a genuine historian for a few unpleasant pages about him her book, the publisher fought back. He ended up having to supply video tapes he had made of speeches to seedy little Holocaust denier groups. He not only lost his suit, he ended up providing valuable ammunition for his critics.
You can find Groklaw-like records of Irving v. Lipstadt at
The Nizkor Project
--Mike Perry, Inkling blog , Seattle, editor: Eugenics and Other Evils
A felony to say something that is true?
Yep.
Under certain circumstances the same is true in Britain, by the way.
It's in the US that truth is an absolute defense against claims of libel - the result of a very contentious case early in the Federal Government's history.
According to one of the followups to the "Text of the Complaint" posting, Microsoft is suing under "The Press Law", which was passed under a dictatorial regime to silence its critics. Thus a felony conviction, with a hefty prison term and future reduction of rights (such as loss of the ability to hold public office) as a punishment for uttering a TRUE criticism would fit right in.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Or maybe bad ludes. Or Thorazine.
Hey, this could could lead to a new fun game... we've already had "if operating systems were airlines/beer/etc." How about "what drug is *your* OS?"
Tweet, tweet.
The most interesting this to me is Microsoft doesn't deny anything. He refers to it as their "business model". In this country selling a product below cost is called dumping and is illegal. Microsoft has begun similar practices inorder to do a preemptive strike against other operating systems. They at times have given away, or at a radically discounted price, operating systems or hardware inorder to take over a market before any other operating system has a chance. It locks them into Microsoft products. It's like giving away cars that run on a special blend of gasoline. It may seem like a good deal and the country gets hooked on free cars. Then you find out the gas is going to cost $5 a gallon and in the long run you'll be spending twice as much. It is a business model, they simply borrowed it from drug dealers.
This proves to me that MS could give a rats ass about what this country stands for. It also proves to me that MS is intent on using and abusing any and every system it interacts with whether electronic, social or political. I am happy MS did this because even the tech-challenged folks can see this is total BS, and in fact very un-American.
In the United States, truth is an absolute defense against charges of slander or libel.
:)
Unfortunately, that's not true in Brazil - or a number of other countries (Britain, for example). TRUE, but uncomfortable, criticism, especially of government officials (though often extending to others with enough resources to sue) is a common theme.
In Brazil's case (according to a previous post) the law in question is "The Press Law", which was passed under a dictatorial regime to silence its critics. Thus a felony conviction, with a hefty prison term and future reduction of rights (such as loss of the ability to hold public offices including those that influence government software acquisition policy) as a punishment for uttering a TRUE criticism would fit right in.
Let's have a round of applause for the US in this matter, and then go right back to criticism.
Hear hear.
The novel idea that truth is an absolute defense against claims of libel first entered the legal world as a result of a contentious court case early in the history of the US Federal government. Unfortunately, this idea (along with others in the "free speech" category) has not caught on all that well worldwide.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Just think how rich Microsoft would be if they sued every Tom - Dick and Harry who makes deflammatory remarks about them....
;)
evil swines!
nick
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Freedom. Pass it on.
Comparing Microsoft to Drug dealers is a bit harsh, as far as I know a Microsoft product has never killed anyone through over use*. Although the stress of running the OS is probably enough to enduce a stroke or at the very least a heart attack in some people.
[*Disclaimer: Although i am not ruling that possibility out]
However some people may argue that there are comparisons.
Microsoft viciously guard their terriority. Any major reseller that tried to ship a system without a windows OS installed would feel the wrath of Redmond. It's just the MS way of sending Joey and the boys round.
Microsoft first offers you an OS (let's call it XP Home) this is great to begin with. It does everything you need, but one day you realise that it's just not enough. You need more. As luck would have it, there is a better[sic] version out there and all you need to do is open up your wallet.
But wait it's still not enough you need a decent word processor, perhaps a spreadsheet. You have heard about a few other suppliers, Open Source and the FSF. Should you get something from them, you don't know. MS say there "stuff" is like a cancer. You dont want that, no you better head off to MS, with your wallet wide open again, for your fix.
Don't worry they say, you are a good customer. You have done the right thing, by coming back, they have the perfect thing for you. Sure the office application is 3 times the price of the OS, but it's worth every penny. How can you afford it, you really need it though. After all there are no other options MS told you so, and they wouldnt do anything to a "good customer". You go home, get your DVD and video player and head to the pawn shop. It's still not enough, so you go back for your cooker. OMG it's still not enough, you start to search down the back of the sofa and in the pockets of your trousers. You need this, and you have to get it no matter what, if only there was a granny you could mug, that would get you the money you need.
Now you have the money, and your fix of MS product. But you are starting to have your doubts, the product seems impure. Every week you see your other MS using friends come down with some type of illness. Some of them even lost it all, and had to re-install. But it's just must be them, there is no way your friend and supplier would sell you anything that was less than 100% .
Then it happens, something goes wrong. You panic, call your dealers tech support. Don't worry they say, there is a problem but it's not our fault. You see it's these nasty people, they dont like us, so they try to attack us, (and they are clever). There is a solution they tell you, go to this address. Oh bring some ID cos they can't give this out to everyone. When you get there they will supply you with some packages. Install them, about you will be fine.
But your not happy, you decide to change supplier. You tell your original supplier this. Don't go they say you are making a mistake. Ours is a better product. No you insist you want to break the habit. Hold on they say, how about they reduce the cost of the product.......
What is CSSRepublic
Spread FUD, create all sorts of attacks on people and do anything, anything, ANYTHING except write better code!
What part of competition don't they understand?
Everone sue M$ for monopoly using proxy companies like SCO defamated linux
Interesting! If Micro$$$ wants to go into court in one country claiming that its opponents are excersizing an 'excess of freedom of speech' or more outrageousely: and 'excess of freedom of thought'?!; then just what do they plan for the citizens of our little country.
After all, Brazil is no little country. It is in line for a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council. These seats are reserved for major world powers. Is microsoft so arrogant that it can go into the major courtrooms of the world and demand first right of prior restraint on not only all the speech and writings of all the world's citizens, but also of their thoughts as well.
We are closer to the essence of Orwell's '1984' than we think. It is time to enact some new laws and repeal some old ones and stop Mr
Gates for good. Right now the average citizen of any nation has more to fear from Gates than it ever had to fear from Osama Bin Laden. Laden never told us what we were allowed to think.... anywhere, but Gates apparently has other ideas. Can you imagine just how thinking regulation would be enforced. Does Gates have some secret technology up his sleeves that he wants to sell to compliant governments? Could it be that he has some automatic mind readers (running windows of course) that would tell on us at the instant of any 'improper' thought?
But then what happens when those windows systems crash? Are we then to be sent to Guantanamo as 'saboteurs'?
Im pleased to see a coment like this. We cant avoid the fact that we are in real trobule since some eurepeans came here in Brasil and colonized us. But besides that, the nation growth miscelaneosly (I hope that is valid english) and we are a great comunity when its about diferences. The main problem with the country is the extern dependence. Im soo sorry, but we no longer will pay your licenses.
The correct terminology would be "Monopolist convicted in several courts of law of unfair trade practises." That would be much more accurate.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The "vaporsuit". I can see this being applied to RIAA and DirectTV stories already.
Astounding how such news breaks on this very day that marks the anniversary of a historic event when another country in a nearby place in Latin America tried to show how imperialism often backfires (even quite literally) on its proponents.
No one would wish for Brazilian politicians to resort to firing squads (where an army of penguins -and lawyers- will do), but this strange coincidence should serve as a surefire warning for emperors of any kind not to defy their companies' destiny by forcing products and business models down someone's throat where entire countries reject them:
"You're not welcome here" is a message loud and clear...
And by taking this action, Microsoft has just brought these comments to the attention of the /. crowd, which has dissemenated them much further, and to a technically much more literate crowd, than they could have ever managed if they'd just kept their legal traps SHUT!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
"Revealing of Microsoft's Mentality"? Whatever, dude. I suppose using the kill command is "revealing of Unix users mentality".
That law has been used plenty of times; the only reason you squawk about it now is because "M$" is involved.
Linux guys have made their goal the destruction of Microsoft.
Well, do you know a more adequate punishment for Windows 98?
I love C++
You can say whatever you like about Linux, and there's not a lot anyone can do about it.
Actually, that's not true. Because a lot of companies sell Linux, and rely on its good reputation to make sales, you can be sued for Trade Libel (Lanham Act) if you make blatantly false statements about Linux in an attempt to drive potential customers away. Case(s) in point: Red Hat v The SCO Group, and the IBM countersuit.
In fact, the biggest difference is that if you badmouth MSWindows, only MS really has standing to sue. If you badmouth Linux, you could potentially face thousands of suits from thousands of companies and individuals.
As a US law official just confirmed, Microsoft Corp. has now filed a libel lawsuit against Microsoft Corp., stating that their own legal actions against Sergio Amadeu will hurt their reputation much more badly than any of Mr. Amadeu's statements ever could.
I love C++
Drug dealers should sue over being compared to Microsoft!
"Finding a non-Adobe Acrobat reader that is not itself the result of a violation of an Adobe IP claim [...] is a bit problematic."
No it's not! Adobe has deliberately made PDF a public format; they freely distribute the specs and encourage others to support the format. Finding (e.g.) xpdf is not a bit problematic - there's barely a Linux vendor out there who doesn't ship it. Even The Open Group (the guys who own the UNIX(tm) trademark) have an xpdf page. Getting it to run on your platform might be problematic if you don't run a Unixlike system, but that says more about that platform than about the format.
Gustavo.
Article 12 of the Brazilian Press Law.
IANAL, but Press Law don't aplies only to the press?
This is the beggining of a budget issue...
Microsoft has a stake on the Brazilian GOVT budget that can be considered a monopoly and should have been addressed by their justice department a long time ago.
There are rumors that this monopoly represents an amount of USD 2-3 billion per year in new software licences, upgrades, training and MAINTANANCE !
The problem is that we all know how difficult it is for developing countries to adopt a Open Source/GNU model. Many people still think that their intellectual property will be stolen and there are hundreds of examples in Brazil.
So the resistance to adopt a open source initiave is big enough from our own business people. They prefer to sell Microsoft licences and their own services instead of developing new technologies on a collaborative way and focus on better serving the client.
The fact is that Brazil is a country of laws which means we have laws in place. But it also means that Brazil is not a country of justice.
So I trully think that Microsoft business practices with the Brazilian Federal GOVT is a non-sense.
Brazil needs to focus on open source as quick as possible and assign resources to train people to use open source.
The resources will certainly be funded by not acquiring new licences and upgrades. On a second phase by reducing the total cost of ownership and MAINTANANCE. And finally by showing that the ROI was successfull.
It seems that Microsoft is finally loosing control over the monopoly here...
Bill Gates himself is on record as saying Therefore, the "drug dealer" comparison is a fair one.
Ting! Next, please.
How they are going to get them to pay will be pallidium, drm, and product activation.
http://saveie6.com/
One potential answer, as China and others are pursuing, is complete dissociation from Windows software. Even so, that process is hindered by Microsoft's wanton economic power, and, as the case of Amadeu today points up, breaking up is hard to do when one is stalked by a jilted billionaire.
No: the answer is obvious. Nations seeking freedom from Microsoft should classify it as an enemy combatant.
Let us not be heard to use the "T" word; there's no need for exaggerration. As a monopolist enjoying state sanction, Microsoft is closer in its modus operandi to the closed-market model of communism than to the religious and ethnically-motivated jarring violence of terrorism. Its goal is not destabilization but the reverse: entrenchment of its interests at the expense of society and governments. Whereas terrorists seek to spread panic and fear, Microsoft seeks to retrofit the old Soviet model to the 21st century, attaching the suction pods of hopelessness and stasis through total, umbilical dependence. In that sense it and terrorism both contravene the striving, evolutionary essence of capitalism. Both raise their middle finger at freedom.
Declaring Microsoft an enemy combatant would have multiple benefits. As a baseline, the corporation would be stripped of all legal rights, including manufacture, distribution, marketing and, of course, speech, assembly, and due process. Economic gains would be realized swiftly through massive competitive opportunities, while under-capitalized island resort real estate markets would rapidly absorb displaced Microsoft millionaires; certain senior Microsoft executives might need to be sheltered for a certain period at Guantanamo Bay, but only as a preventative courtesy.
As Americans have learned since 2000 in our exciting transformation into a post-democratic society, rights are a matter of perspective: they begin and end arbitrarily, entirely subject to the whim of leaders. Why should the nations of the world, arrayed against Microsoft in what could be called the War on Error, any longer suffer Redmond to dictate the cost, performance or security of their information systems? Why remain under the thumb when all that is required is a shift in semantic nomenclature?
Amadeu, meanwhile, should be given the Nobel Peace Prize.
if its true.
I gots ta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
'DRUG DEALERS' is what Pfizer etc. are.
You can find a drugs on the shelves of every gas station and convenience store, every supermarket and walmart etc. These people are DRUG DEALERS.
Thats right, Walmart and 7/11 are DRUG DEALERS. They, by definition, use DRUG DEALER TACTICS to push their product (e.g. they put them on a shelf and aggresively compete on price and/or convenience so people can buy them if they want them)
All these stores, and the people behind the counters, are DRUG DEALERS!
Thats right, they DEAL in DRUGS! oh the horror, that DRUGS might be AVAILABLE for PURCHASE.
Alcohol, aspirin, nasal decongestants, cough syrup - all of these things are DRUGS and when you buy them you buy them from a DRUG DEALER.
So if Microsoft wants to go before a court of law and claim that being compared to giant multinational pharmaceutical businesses (DRUG DEALERS), gas stations (also DRUG DEALERS), supermarkets (yes, DRUG DEALERS too) and, lets not forget the american institution of the DRUGSTORE - is defamation, well, i think they have a lot more money than sense.
I gots ta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
In Portuguese (at least, Brazilian), it`s usual to construct phrases with implicit analogies, say, "ares de doutor" (doctor manners), "fingir de bobo" (play naive) etc. "Praticas de traficante" (drug-dealers practices) may well fit in the same case: just colorful language.
Besides, some practices used by drug-dealers are indeed legal. It`s a product distribution. Cigarrettes might be an example, but stamp cards come also to mind.
The problem with drug-dealers is that distributing _drugs_ is a crime.
Now I understand it!
I have long puzzled over why Microsoft hires "the brightest and the best" but they all seem to become blithering idiots the moment after being hired!
That's it, they are afraid of being accused by Microsoft management of using an excess of free thought.
I can just imagine hearing some "Microsoft Millionaire" saying, "Better check with Chairman Bill first, before thinking that thought. Better yet, if you watch him really closely, all the time, maybe you can learn to read his mind!".
Chairman Bill is, single-handedly, dumbing down a whole multi-billion dollar company to his level!
of that ancient Greek saying,
"Whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad!".
That means you Billy Boy!
I have been saying the same things, referring to windoze as "digital crack", calling it a Trojan horse, and accusing microsoft of "corporate homicide".
COME AND SUE ME, TOO, microshaft! Regime change begins AT HOME, and I call on ALL nations to review their policies of allowing cabinet officials and low-level functionaries and administrators to have power to hamstring their nations and governments and being BOUGHT OFF by microsoft. Reminds me of the dictators, gangsters and pirates, from Capone, Coll, Galante, Lansky, Nitti, and Lupo the Wolf, as well as Aragona, Baughe, Bodulgate (the reincarnated version is working at the behest of US intelligence communities, I suspect...), Boggs, (but not Chevalier de Grammant), Every, Gibbs, North, Cheng 1 (you retain a modern version in China), and others who could be fashioned into examples of microshafts global piracy hunt to steal the hearts and minds of governments and their treasures (independence, indigenous tech teams, sovereignty, privacy, and more...), and deny them their right to SLAP, KICK, IMPALE and dump microsoft on its ASS when the time comes to "just say no" to microshaft.
I have equated microshaft of being a risk to national, government, military, corporate, personal, AND global security. I have incessantly implored China to switch to Linux, or at least rid themselves of microsoft, for microsoft (yes, lower-casing/deprecation INTENTIONAL, as always, with me) is SURELY a USA National Security Agency (and other unamed/disavowed agencies') BACKDOOR into foreign governments.
Why the HELL ELSE has the US & UK (look to "common heritage") steadfastly played one hand publicly with "reigning in" irksomesoft and then letting the henchmen and leadership of ms get away with so MUCH CRAP.
It is obvious, fortunate, and the RIGHT THING that other agencies within even the US government, as well as other nations' governments, community and business infrastructure have openly and quiely brought Linux and Open Source into their view.
It is NOT enough to "mention" Linux to microsoft. You have to PURGE yourselves of that amoral, no, IMMORAL feckless, dirtwad whining corporation that is too greedy and stupid to straighten up its act.
I found it very heartening that in one poor neighborhood, somewhere in Brazil if I recall correctly, that even the rival GANGLORDS created a "no-fire" zone so that the children could make use of the Linux-based libraries set up to give them a future. That hardened criminals can recognize the value of not destroying children reinforces the feeling I have that were I stuck in a 2-person lifeboat faced with deciding to save an undeducated, poor, questionable individual, or giving that seat to gate, ballmer, or some henchman or henchwoman running, directing, advising, or supporting microsoft, I SURE A HELL not let them have that seat over an individual who has YET to cause or encourage global corruption, local destruction of mom and pop shops (forced them to pay for licensing even when they sold naked computers and never sold nor ever held any copies of windoze), lied to juries and courts (faked video testimony), interfered with the existence or operations of peripherals devices manufacturers, etc.
If ever there is an assault on CONUS for whatever reason, it should be a water and electromagnetic tsuname that takes out ms, its backups, and its future. The feckless little campus in redmond has wrought enough damage and it needs to be broken up, it's board enjoined from starting up or sitting on the board of any more technology companies, removed from banking, real estate, and entertainment, and more.
All too many fresh new players with fresh new ideas are anxiously awaiting their turn to play or work on the tech field. So long as they are stymied by microshaft, we shall NOT see innovation (contrary to the assertion of ms about their own "innovations" which really are mostly acquisitions rather than internal, original developments), we shall NOT see choice, and we shall NOT have stable computing.
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
Yes, actually, yes we did.
You pull out a wonderfully point about morals not being relative to law.
Can anyone confirm/deny what the Brazilian law says (relative to the grandparent post?)
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
No, but then the DMCRA is a horrible bandaid. The problem with the DMCA isn't just that it makes what was once legal an illegal act or how it makes ISPs coupable for the actions of their users if they're responsive enough to 3rd party threats. It's that there's no real *reason* for it. If copyright infringement is already illegal, there's no need for the DMCA as all it does is create yet another law that can be perversed by lawyers. And making ISPs responsible for blocking content is insane, since ISPs are a common carrier. If a 3rd party wants to stop infringement in the virtual world, they need to go through the same channels as the real world: the courts. Do I even begin to complain about how the NET act is unconstitutional because it can result in governmental punishment which is clearly against the 1st amendment (3rd party punishment through civil suits might be against the 1st amendment too, since the government is the enforcer, but putting people in jail for *spreading ideas* is ridiculous, let alone fiddling with said ideas the "wrong" way).
Eurohacker European paranoia, gun rights, and h
Down with Mandrake! Mandrake is an evil distribution, it's a duck, not a penguin! And it's FRENCH. Go with Gentoo! Wheee, let's sue!
Not a sentence!
Just a little bit of History...
The correct spelling in Portuguese was also Brazil (with Z) until the beginning of the 19th century, when some jerk (ok, I don`t remember who) decided to change the spelling to "Brasil" to make clearer the word`s origin, which was "brasa" (live coal) (Pau-Brasil, the main product of the land, lit. "live coal-colored wood", used to make an intense red dye, highly priced in the Middle Ages).
It`s interesting to note that "Brazil" seems to be the name of a legendary land in Norse or English mithology. It`s use in this context is said to predate Brazil`s discovery by centuries.
So, we`re not all certain about the name origins.
No, that's Anal Cox.
MS just bought ADL. MS is very Operational if you want to be programmed for crashes. Why is MS not suing any of us here in the Ole USA for defamation?
I suppose MS's DRM will prevent these "excess[es] in freedom of speech and freedom of thought" in the future. Thank you Bill for protecting us harmless sheep from such extremes in speech and thought.
All data is speech. All speech is Free.
The most pirated piece of software in history was MS Windows 3.11
Be careful when using lawyer-speak.
Caveat: IANAL. I am also a Scot living in England, so I have some knowledge of the differences between national legal systems.
Slander / Libel = telling / publishing lies, untruths and falsehoods. (Slander & Libel are synonyms in Scots Law, but different in English law)
Defamation = telling / publishing things that damage reputations whether true or not
Please remember that (contrary to the opinion of far too many lawyers, journalists, politicians and real people) "normal" US law only applies in the 49* states and (some of?) the various protectorates and colonies of the US. The rest of the world have our own legal systems, many of which are impenetrable and/or unfathomable to outsiders.
*Yes, only 49: Napoleonic Law applies in Louisiana. Nice way of making things really expensive for foreigners from Washington, LA, NY, etc. We have a similar form of nastiness in Scotland: only lawyers qualified in Scots Law are permitted to practice Scots Law. (Any unlicensed practitioners can be imprisoned and/or fined, as many excessively arrogant fools have found out)
Roddy
Hahaha... So right on target!
This made my day.
Actually, medical and biological researchers don't so much compare a fetus to a cancer; a better metaphor is a parasite. One of the active areas of research is attempting to explain why a female mammal's immune system doesn't recognize the fetus as "foreign" and attack it the same way other parasites are attacked.
Of course, sometimes the mother's immune system does attack the fetus. The best-known example is "Rh disease", in which an Rh-negative mother's immune system recognizes a fetus's Rh-positive protein and produces antibodies.
But in general, we have a term for a mother's rejection of a fetus; it's called a "miscarriage". And the rejection is a lot like the rejection of a parasite. The interesting puzzle is what suppresses this reaction in a successful pregnancy. How does a fetus convince the mother's immune system that the fetus is "self"?
In another decade or so we may have the explanation.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
Looks like Billy is threatening with another "Drug War", "sometimes in the next decade"?
Yeah, that quote is a perfect catch.
Check this fool.
Actually, medical and biological researchers don't so much compare a fetus to a cancer; a better metaphor is a parasite. One of the active areas of research is attempting to explain why a female mammal's immune system doesn't recognize the fetus as "foreign" and attack it the same way other parasites are attacked. [...] In another decade or so we may have the explanation.
We have part of it now.
A number of foetal antigens and markers have been identified whidh trigger a specific suppression of the mother's immune system. (Some cancers also produce them at an age when normal tissues don't, which is how many were identified.)
A common thread is a short sequence that also appears on a mylen sheath protien - which appears (outside the blood-brain barrier) late enough after birth that the immune system has already decided what's "self" and what isn't. This appears to mark mylen as something that will have been left out of the inventory but nevertheless shouldn't be attacked.
Multiple sclerosis is a failure of this mechanism. The major risk factor appears to be ingestion of cow's milk - which contains a version of a milk protein, similar to the mylen protein, but with the bovine rather than the human form of the protective sequence. Cows have already been gene-engineered to make the human form of the protein, in the hopes of cutting MS incidence. (I don't know if they replaced the whole immune mechanism in the cows, however. If not they might have a lot of MS in the cows. B-( )
It has been noted that, antigenically, the foetus has to be either virtually identical to the mother (so there's nothing different to attack) or significantly different (to trigger the rejection-suppression). Near-identical histocompatibility markers don't produce enough of a reaction to trigger the immune suppression, and this accounts for some couples' infertility. (Interestingly, histocompatibility markers are apparently involved in personal scent, and people who are antigenically different enough to trigger the reaction also "smell better" to each other.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
For Microsoft, shouldn't that list read:
1) Proffiteer
2) Sue Customers
3) [suppressed for "national security reasons"]
4) Lease Government back to customers
???
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press