So if they do happen to become one later on, should they now stop releasing their product with these items bundled into it? It makes coding for OS a lot easier when you know certain items WILL be there and will work a certain way. I would consider the Web Browser a pretty core piece of a computer now...and would not want to have to consider the fact that it might not be there. Instant Messenging...that is a different situation as of right now...but web browser, music player...etc. Those are pretty fundamental now and are expected.
I believe Vancouver extended their arms to Microsoft about a year and a half ago when the case was starting and said that the company could move up there and they would be more than glad to have them. Microsoft would be a huge economic boost to them...so I guess they were just 'looking at the bottom line' as everyone here has been quick to blame Microsoft for doing.
Agreed...same for open source as well though I would have to believe. Someone who is running an open source project and adding patches as often as they are released would be doing the same with a closed source project. Both projects are succeptible here...the best they can do is hope the user installs the patches or uses some auto-update program feature
I think the important item here would be to see how quickly it gets deployed out to the users.
I do not really think that having open source would cause the normal everyday user to see the bug fix sooner. The majority of linux users a hardcore users who will actually go out and get patches and install the newest version. Most users are not like that. A good example is of how many people who use Internet Explorer use IE 5 rather than IE 5.5 or IE 6. IE 5.5 and IE 6 add a lot of stuff to IE 5 (at least in javascript support) but most users do not go and upgrade their software/install patches. I think that if the average user was using linux, they would be the same way and would not take the time to go and upgrade something that, to them, works fine.
Since it seemes odd to say that Microsoft should be banned from giving the software to the schools but RedHat is allowed to with the tech support for free, perhaps they could do this...give the hardware and give the option of having Windows loaded onto it and getting the software for free as originally proposed...or getting the hardware barebones without an OS installed (or let RedHat install it...Microsoft shouldn't be responsible for installing RedHat themselves). This way, the schools can decide which they would prefer to do and neither is forced upon them. I belive most would still choose to go with Microsoft since that is what they are used to...but some could decide to go the RedHat route and this would be a pretty fair decision they could make?
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That is lame. You are claiming that since people know how to develop for it, that is an abuse of power? I guess since a lot of developers know how to use C++, we shouldn't be using that to code new products...it doesn't give new languages a chance!
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Couldn't the same be said about Sony with the Playstation 1? What was it doing jumping into the gaming industry? I am glad it did though. If the XBox isn't good, it will fail regardless of the marketing on it. You can't fault a company for spending money on its products. There is nothing illegal about that.
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How can you say that Microsoft's 'monopoly' is reaching into the game consoles? How has their monopoly helped them here? By having money to market? That's not wrong... I don't see where you make the leap that their monopoly is reaching into your home gaming stuff. They are going into a new field...they don't have a monopoly there nor are they able to use their desktop business there realistically.
I think that all Microsoft is going to do is put in less support for MP3 and more for WMA...which they already have started doing with their new versions of Windows Media Player. They all still work with MP3s, but try their hardest to make everything into WMAs. When it comes down to it, WMAs compress better and still sound the same to me. The only reason that MP3s are used more is because they are the standard now and since there are so much more of them out there compared to WMA, they will remain as the prime music format...until some radically different format comes out:-)
You try giving Linux to my grandfather (I don't know about yours...but mine is far from being a computer wiz) and although he has some problems, he can do some normal tasks with the computer now. We (the majority of/. users) aren't the normal users in this world and the normal users need a lot of the frills and annoying user interface enhancements that Windows provides. By making an easy to user operating system (easy to use for normal tasks), Microsoft helped get computers out to a much wider range of people than ever before.
You say that Microsoft is just followers with ton of cash to buy up technologies...but you use TCP/IP not being available until Windows 95 as your example...I agree that Microsoft is not innovators, but they did not have a ton of money when Windows 95 came out...that was their major breadwinner that catapulted them far above everyone else. Microsoft's majopr contributions lie in that they made computers available to mass amounts of people and in doing so, helped further the computer industry along more than most people on here would like to admit or believe.
I actually looked at this code when I was previously at MS and it works the way I said, which is the way it describes it to you when you are actually doing the update. But, you are probably right...I must be programmed to see it that way. I just can't seem to shake it...it's making me see things wrong! Or maybe you just spoke out of your ass...I'm not sure. BTW, nice user name.
There is already an automatic update feature (if you download it from Windows Update) and it doesn't do any piracy checks...it doesn't send any information about your system to Microsoft. It basically downloads a list of all of the upgrades available to your system...then on your system, it checks which ones you have and whatnot...then cuts out the ones you already have. This way, MS doesn't see anything about your computer.
I agree then that it is a valid point...but I don't think it is anything abnormal since virtually all large companies do this and stock analysts take this into account....similar to the way they take into account revenue from company investments in other new companies (rather than actual company revenue) and they mark down for that.
Additionally, I am sure that Microsoft recognizes that their stock options are not as enticing as they were a few years ago, and their employees recognize that as well. Therefore, they are tipping the scale away from deferred money (stock options) towards salaries, bonuses, and what not.
I don't see Microsoft going away anytime soon so I don't think they will crash and burn, but I am more pro-microsoft that most of the people on these message boards, so therefore my opinion is most likely biased towards them more than others on here.
Hmmm, I bet the article is exactly right! Yah, Microsoft lost $10 billion in 1999, but managed to make it look like they gained 7.8 billion and then, using this magical imaginary money, they continued to operate by just giving away monopoly money when trying to pay for something. After that, they lost $20 billion last year since but covered it up again so that it looks like they have no debt, when in reality, they have just been performing sexual favors to get cover their massive amounts of monetary loss each year.
or maybe the article is not quite right....I'm not really sure.
It wouldn't work. It isn't legal to make a name close to another company's to confuse other people. For example, a few people had set up web pages where a few of the letters were reversed or similar stuff like that and somne of them got taken down through legal action.
I go to WPI as well...I saw the rocket but never put it together that today was the anniversary...I didn't see the 75 and Goddard written in it because I didn't get too close to it.
Anyways, the snow rocket was pretty impressive...pretty tall and it looks like they put a lot of work into it...although I am not sure who was responsible for it.
I don't think that online trading is the downfall of the market. The major investors still go through brokers and the miniscule amount of people trading online (relative to the rest of the traders) isn't going to cause the world to collapse.
IMHO, the cause is that there was too much hype over dotcoms earlier. Previously, a company that was selling goat cheese on the web would be valued at millions just because it was on the web...also, all companies were being held to an insanely high level of expectations. A company was expected to perform at an ungodly high rate...and then when it performed at an amazing rate (which is lower than ungodly of course!) the stock price plummeted.
I don't think that opening up the source code would get around this problem. The version of Windows that you are running is the release version so it doesn't have any debug flags or anything like that in it. Even if you have the source files on your computer, you won't be able to step through the code because the computer doesn't have any way of knowing which part of the C++ code it is currently executing. In order to do that, you would need to be running a debug version of Windows...which would be bigger than most hard drives most likely and run as fast as Windows 3.11 written in Java
During that day, he probably learned how to write a virus, coded the infamous hello world program, found the "All your base are belong to us" avi file on the web, gained 2,000,000 in stock options from his company by 11 AM, then lost it all by 11:20...found that Microsoft controls the market, surfed some porn while at work, browsed the dilbert comics posted outside of his co-workers cubes, and then the company he was at needed to "re-organize" and he was let go.
sounds like a normal cs day to me...
With results like what? The only thing this article talks about is that it is speculated that they didn't release the benchmarks because it wasn't quicker than how it ran on NT. It doesn't discuss how it ran on NT or on 2000 so you have nothing to compare it against.
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So if they do happen to become one later on, should they now stop releasing their product with these items bundled into it? It makes coding for OS a lot easier when you know certain items WILL be there and will work a certain way. I would consider the Web Browser a pretty core piece of a computer now...and would not want to have to consider the fact that it might not be there. Instant Messenging...that is a different situation as of right now...but web browser, music player...etc. Those are pretty fundamental now and are expected.
I believe Vancouver extended their arms to Microsoft about a year and a half ago when the case was starting and said that the company could move up there and they would be more than glad to have them. Microsoft would be a huge economic boost to them...so I guess they were just 'looking at the bottom line' as everyone here has been quick to blame Microsoft for doing.
Agreed...same for open source as well though I would have to believe. Someone who is running an open source project and adding patches as often as they are released would be doing the same with a closed source project. Both projects are succeptible here...the best they can do is hope the user installs the patches or uses some auto-update program feature
How come I can't use my JVC remote control with my Sony TV? This is definitely illegal!
I think the important item here would be to see how quickly it gets deployed out to the users.
I do not really think that having open source would cause the normal everyday user to see the bug fix sooner. The majority of linux users a hardcore users who will actually go out and get patches and install the newest version. Most users are not like that. A good example is of how many people who use Internet Explorer use IE 5 rather than IE 5.5 or IE 6. IE 5.5 and IE 6 add a lot of stuff to IE 5 (at least in javascript support) but most users do not go and upgrade their software/install patches. I think that if the average user was using linux, they would be the same way and would not take the time to go and upgrade something that, to them, works fine.
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Since it seemes odd to say that Microsoft should be banned from giving the software to the schools but RedHat is allowed to with the tech support for free, perhaps they could do this...give the hardware and give the option of having Windows loaded onto it and getting the software for free as originally proposed...or getting the hardware barebones without an OS installed (or let RedHat install it...Microsoft shouldn't be responsible for installing RedHat themselves). This way, the schools can decide which they would prefer to do and neither is forced upon them. I belive most would still choose to go with Microsoft since that is what they are used to...but some could decide to go the RedHat route and this would be a pretty fair decision they could make?
That is lame. You are claiming that since people know how to develop for it, that is an abuse of power? I guess since a lot of developers know how to use C++, we shouldn't be using that to code new products...it doesn't give new languages a chance!
Couldn't the same be said about Sony with the Playstation 1? What was it doing jumping into the gaming industry? I am glad it did though. If the XBox isn't good, it will fail regardless of the marketing on it. You can't fault a company for spending money on its products. There is nothing illegal about that.
How can you say that Microsoft's 'monopoly' is reaching into the game consoles? How has their monopoly helped them here? By having money to market? That's not wrong... I don't see where you make the leap that their monopoly is reaching into your home gaming stuff. They are going into a new field...they don't have a monopoly there nor are they able to use their desktop business there realistically.
I think that all Microsoft is going to do is put in less support for MP3 and more for WMA...which they already have started doing with their new versions of Windows Media Player. They all still work with MP3s, but try their hardest to make everything into WMAs. When it comes down to it, WMAs compress better and still sound the same to me. The only reason that MP3s are used more is because they are the standard now and since there are so much more of them out there compared to WMA, they will remain as the prime music format...until some radically different format comes out :-)
You try giving Linux to my grandfather (I don't know about yours...but mine is far from being a computer wiz) and although he has some problems, he can do some normal tasks with the computer now. We (the majority of /. users) aren't the normal users in this world and the normal users need a lot of the frills and annoying user interface enhancements that Windows provides. By making an easy to user operating system (easy to use for normal tasks), Microsoft helped get computers out to a much wider range of people than ever before.
You say that Microsoft is just followers with ton of cash to buy up technologies...but you use TCP/IP not being available until Windows 95 as your example...I agree that Microsoft is not innovators, but they did not have a ton of money when Windows 95 came out...that was their major breadwinner that catapulted them far above everyone else. Microsoft's majopr contributions lie in that they made computers available to mass amounts of people and in doing so, helped further the computer industry along more than most people on here would like to admit or believe.
I actually looked at this code when I was previously at MS and it works the way I said, which is the way it describes it to you when you are actually doing the update. But, you are probably right...I must be programmed to see it that way. I just can't seem to shake it...it's making me see things wrong! Or maybe you just spoke out of your ass...I'm not sure. BTW, nice user name.
There is already an automatic update feature (if you download it from Windows Update) and it doesn't do any piracy checks...it doesn't send any information about your system to Microsoft. It basically downloads a list of all of the upgrades available to your system...then on your system, it checks which ones you have and whatnot...then cuts out the ones you already have. This way, MS doesn't see anything about your computer.
I agree then that it is a valid point...but I don't think it is anything abnormal since virtually all large companies do this and stock analysts take this into account....similar to the way they take into account revenue from company investments in other new companies (rather than actual company revenue) and they mark down for that. Additionally, I am sure that Microsoft recognizes that their stock options are not as enticing as they were a few years ago, and their employees recognize that as well. Therefore, they are tipping the scale away from deferred money (stock options) towards salaries, bonuses, and what not. I don't see Microsoft going away anytime soon so I don't think they will crash and burn, but I am more pro-microsoft that most of the people on these message boards, so therefore my opinion is most likely biased towards them more than others on here.
Hmmm, I bet the article is exactly right! Yah, Microsoft lost $10 billion in 1999, but managed to make it look like they gained 7.8 billion and then, using this magical imaginary money, they continued to operate by just giving away monopoly money when trying to pay for something. After that, they lost $20 billion last year since but covered it up again so that it looks like they have no debt, when in reality, they have just been performing sexual favors to get cover their massive amounts of monetary loss each year. or maybe the article is not quite right....I'm not really sure.
It wouldn't work. It isn't legal to make a name close to another company's to confuse other people. For example, a few people had set up web pages where a few of the letters were reversed or similar stuff like that and somne of them got taken down through legal action.
I go to WPI as well...I saw the rocket but never put it together that today was the anniversary...I didn't see the 75 and Goddard written in it because I didn't get too close to it. Anyways, the snow rocket was pretty impressive...pretty tall and it looks like they put a lot of work into it...although I am not sure who was responsible for it.
I don't think that online trading is the downfall of the market. The major investors still go through brokers and the miniscule amount of people trading online (relative to the rest of the traders) isn't going to cause the world to collapse. IMHO, the cause is that there was too much hype over dotcoms earlier. Previously, a company that was selling goat cheese on the web would be valued at millions just because it was on the web...also, all companies were being held to an insanely high level of expectations. A company was expected to perform at an ungodly high rate...and then when it performed at an amazing rate (which is lower than ungodly of course!) the stock price plummeted.
I don't think that opening up the source code would get around this problem. The version of Windows that you are running is the release version so it doesn't have any debug flags or anything like that in it. Even if you have the source files on your computer, you won't be able to step through the code because the computer doesn't have any way of knowing which part of the C++ code it is currently executing. In order to do that, you would need to be running a debug version of Windows...which would be bigger than most hard drives most likely and run as fast as Windows 3.11 written in Java
During that day, he probably learned how to write a virus, coded the infamous hello world program, found the "All your base are belong to us" avi file on the web, gained 2,000,000 in stock options from his company by 11 AM, then lost it all by 11:20...found that Microsoft controls the market, surfed some porn while at work, browsed the dilbert comics posted outside of his co-workers cubes, and then the company he was at needed to "re-organize" and he was let go. sounds like a normal cs day to me...
With results like what? The only thing this article talks about is that it is speculated that they didn't release the benchmarks because it wasn't quicker than how it ran on NT. It doesn't discuss how it ran on NT or on 2000 so you have nothing to compare it against.