--"I did *not*, on a professional level as a historian, say that I consider Mr. Cremo to be wrong - I am (as you correctly observe) not qualified to do that, since I am an engineering scientist."
You did not. You said there is the possibility he is a nutjob (your term) when you could have just said there is a possibility he is wrong. I objected to you labeling him a drooling idiot.
--"My disparaging remarks come from the angle that his arguments do not sound particularly credible to me *without* being a specialist in the field. Which means that I might overlook obvious things that would mark his statements as being true to an open-minded historian, but not to outsiders like myself. However, it is one of my beliefs that a correct theory should at least sound plausible to outsiders without having to resort to conspiracy arguments."
Personally I find his narration in "Forbidden Achaelology" vastly compelling and the way I understand it he is making a strong case for modern humans existing millions of years ago. I don't have any ideological or religious axe to grind and with so little really known about the past, so little of our own world explored and discovered in thepresent, I find it surprising that established theory is defended so viciously. Personally I am also well prepared to listen to what "independents" like Erich von Daniken and Zachariah Sitchin have to say knowing full well that much of their work is one man's opinion (what is "science" but opinion, really!).
--"Conspiracy arguments ("the archaeologists of the world do not want these things to be known" - oh, come on, please!)"
I'd say the archaeologists of this world (like so many of us in their respective fields) do not want these things up for fear of loss of funding and tenure.
--"People who sound off on a grand scale like Mr. Cremo ("conspiracy of archaeologists") can seriously hamper the proper investigation of whole new ideas, because professional researchers will - perhaps foolishly - not want to endanger their careers by becoming associated with someone like him."
You've got a point there. The bloody welts on the back of one man may well deter another. The way I see it we shouldn't have the whip in the first place.
And, as a consequence, would not want to touch anything he proposes with a ten-foot pole
As far as being able to _verify_ the theories and findings of Michael Cremo is concerned I find myself way out of my waters to have much of an opinion on that score. So what I do is I limit myself to pointing out his research and that I find his research and his findings interesting, especially in light of the growing body of evidence like the pyramid in Bosnia I mentioned before. I try to reserve judgment on the credibility of Cremo's work because my professional background does not prepare me for the task of evaluating his research and that's why I'm a little surprised that your work in engineering allows you to have such a strong opinion. (Especially when you call the man a possible nutjob when you could have used a more civil epiphet).
I'll agree with you that dishonesty in science starts with the "little guy" making ends meet to the best of his sometimes limited abilities, but the really damaging deceit takes place in the clerical courts of science where the dogma is defended by the same zeal that fueled the catholic inquisition.
Oh nooo... I'm not going to make it _this_ easy for you. There is little in Michael Cremo's factual research itself for me to defend and stand up for because I don't have the foggiest whether his findings are true or not. I am not an archaeologist nor a geologist. I'm just saying that it's there, it's interesting and chances are that some of it may actually be correct.
What I personally find interesting in his book is how he details to what length people go in the field to discredit the deviant author or even tamper with or destroy evidence that is out of line with the body of officially sanctioned theory. There is little tolerance for deviance in the science religion and especially the archaeology churches of that creed are particularily vicious. (Oh and that's not even talking about all the outside interests like the American Indians who are upset by any theory they might well not be the first to settle on these shores).
And then there _is_ a lot of evidence that points away from the official lore of western university archaelogical 'science', just think of the recently discovered Pyramid in Bosnia.
As far as calling Cremo a wacko.. just because he's a student of Hindu teachings among other the Vedas. Until you discover them yourself I'd ask you not to belittle them.
--"Yeah in fact just down the road from here is a place where there are thousands of bodies buried in strata at least 10000 years old: about two metres down."
If you follow the work of Michael Cremo you will learn that modern human skeletons have been found in strata deposited millions of years old and all over the world.
His book "Forbidden Archaeology" is a huge tome discussing hundreds of sites where anomalous findings challenge (rip apart) todays dogmas in the field and it is also an interesting read to see how the religion of western science preserves the purity of its creed:-)
It would be far better to have them put out a lot of material first and then make the key / exploit available. Now you can depend on it that future titles will not be able to be decrypted with that key.
--"These are not refutations" No problem. Join our reality or create your own. Come back and bring a friend. Roll your own ethics or borrow ours.
If he deletes something he is risking a lifetime in debt. Gunning shoplifters down as they try to leave your store with an automated machine gun is vigilanteism even if you put a sign up you're doing precisely that.
Deleting other people's data as they enter a blacklisted serial number is vigilanteism even if you put a warning message in the registration dialog you're doing precisely that.
Your arguments refuted in the order you bring them up
1. He might destroy property and cause damages many times his net worth. 2. Vigilanteism doesn't require law enforcement resources... as long as it remains undiscovered and unreported. 3. You bet, but the only problem I have with this is (see 1.) he'll file bankruptcy. 4. He might consider other avenues of profiting from his work like bundling adware (if he is upfront about it) or if it is something larger and worthwhile he might sell support for it. Piracy is here to stay and it's the numero uno promotion tool. Personally I would LOVE to see my software pirated bigtime because then I'd know that if only 1% out of a million go legit, that's 10000 copies sold which is as good as it gets for a small shareware tool.
I don't think he was talking about getting technical training at MIT or Caltech but an education at Harvard and Yale. What gets you into these? If anything breed. Best if your Papa already went there.
--"So, I am leaving Southern California for the mountains of Colorado... where the infection is almost as bad, but at least I can retreat into my cave in the mountains and watch the world fall apart from the safety of my own land"
Before you go you might like to check with the Ford Foundation first what their plans are for the area you're moving to.
--"And we fund such organizations as the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the Women's Law Fund, and the National Council of La Raza, which work to strengthen their communities' capacities to participate in American society."
Oh ja, Johanna the North American Union _is real_ and it _is here_.
Whereas the EU was sold to its unfortunates as a way to empower people by a common market with a common currency and with residency rights and work permits for every EU citizen throughout the EU, our dictators can't even be bothered to go through the motions.
Never mind the Amero, the new American-Canadian-Mexican Dollareso (muy doloroso, amigos), never mind that they're letting half of South America "reconquista" the south-west, never mind that they'll charge you a fortune on toll road fees to leave your plantation (for another).. you will be told there is a North American Union after they've powered up it's electric fence.
"Kylie Kenney explained how some kids at her school had created a web site that called for her death, then harassed her for several years with phone calls and e-mails, even after she transferred schools."
I call bullshit! Come on! Kids with an attention span of less than thirty seconds harass a girl for years after she left the school??! Get real and spare us the "They threw the babies out of the incubator"- PR-spin.
People tend to believe that just because a design used by a certain religious group that it was created or at least understood by that group. There is undoubtedly depth and ancient knowledge _in the works_ from which for example islamic, christian or jewish scriptures are _edited from_, but you will need prior knowledge to actually point it out.
Take Christianity for an example here for it was far from the exception. You will find in many of the older churches in Europe displays of zodiacs and other graphics depicting astrological concepts - even though Christians are forbidden to engage in astrological practices.
Okay look in retrospect I'm sorry for reporting your Paypal account. I'm not sorry for what I said in this thread, but I regret having been a snitch myself. I'm sorry, that was a deplorable way to act against a fellow slashdotter and I sincerely apologize.
About you calling me a sycophant ("denouncer"): You obviously embrace the concept when it suits you, but you scream and wail when you're on the receiving end of it.
Wow, who is spending time here over this? You're obviously upset over this and that alone would be further grounds for an investigation in RL. _Following your logic_ now I could now pull down your pants and search your cavities.
All I am saying is that I have reason to believe you are engaged in criminal activity and following your logic I could violate your civil liberties with a forceful search of your person and premises.
All I did was report to Paypal that you provide an unassigned 555 number as your customer service line.
--"smooches asshole" I spent less than a minute looking up your details. Hugs and kisses.
Slashdot Mirror
Thanks, this is exactly the point I'm trying to make here. I'll take a look at that book.
Some more comment on your comments then:
--"I did *not*, on a professional level as a historian, say that I consider Mr. Cremo to be wrong - I am (as you correctly observe) not qualified to do that, since I am an engineering scientist."
You did not. You said there is the possibility he is a nutjob (your term) when you could have just said
there is a possibility he is wrong. I objected to you labeling him a drooling idiot.
--"My disparaging remarks come from the angle that his arguments do not sound particularly credible to me *without* being a specialist in the field. Which means that I might overlook obvious things that would mark his statements as being true to an open-minded historian, but not to outsiders like myself. However, it is one of my beliefs that a
correct theory should at least sound plausible to outsiders without having to resort to conspiracy arguments."
Personally I find his narration in "Forbidden Achaelology" vastly compelling and the way I understand it he is
making a strong case for modern humans existing millions of years ago. I don't have any ideological or religious
axe to grind and with so little really known about the past, so little of our own world explored and discovered
in thepresent, I find it surprising that established theory is defended so viciously. Personally I am also well
prepared to listen to what "independents" like Erich von Daniken and Zachariah Sitchin have to say knowing
full well that much of their work is one man's opinion (what is "science" but opinion, really!).
--"Conspiracy arguments ("the archaeologists of the world do not want these things to be known" - oh, come on, please!)"
I'd say the archaeologists of this world (like so many of us in their respective fields) do not want these
things up for fear of loss of funding and tenure.
--"People who sound off on a grand scale like Mr. Cremo ("conspiracy of archaeologists") can seriously hamper
the proper investigation of whole new ideas, because professional researchers will - perhaps foolishly -
not want to endanger their careers by becoming associated with someone like him."
You've got a point there. The bloody welts on the back of one man may well deter another. The way I see it
we shouldn't have the whip in the first place.
And, as a consequence, would not want to touch anything he proposes with a ten-foot pole
As far as being able to _verify_ the theories and findings of Michael Cremo is concerned I
find myself way out of my waters to have much of an opinion on that score. So what I do is I
limit myself to pointing out his research and that I find his research and his findings
interesting, especially in light of the growing body of evidence like the pyramid in Bosnia
I mentioned before. I try to reserve judgment on the credibility of Cremo's work because my
professional background does not prepare me for the task of evaluating his research and
that's why I'm a little surprised that your work in engineering allows you to have such a
strong opinion. (Especially when you call the man a possible nutjob when you could have used
a more civil epiphet).
I'll agree with you that dishonesty in science starts with the "little guy" making ends meet
to the best of his sometimes limited abilities, but the really damaging deceit takes place in the
clerical courts of science where the dogma is defended by the same zeal that fueled the
catholic inquisition.
Oh nooo... I'm not going to make it _this_ easy for you. There is little in
Michael Cremo's factual research itself for me to defend and stand up for
because I don't have the foggiest whether his findings are true or not.
I am not an archaeologist nor a geologist. I'm just saying that it's there,
it's interesting and chances are that some of it may actually be correct.
What I personally find interesting in his book is how he details to what
length people go in the field to discredit the deviant author or even tamper
with or destroy evidence that is out of line with the body of officially sanctioned
theory. There is little tolerance for deviance in the science religion and
especially the archaeology churches of that creed are particularily vicious.
(Oh and that's not even talking about all the outside interests like the American
Indians who are upset by any theory they might well not be the first to
settle on these shores).
And then there _is_ a lot of evidence that points away from the official lore
of western university archaelogical 'science', just think of the recently
discovered Pyramid in Bosnia.
As far as calling Cremo a wacko.. just because he's a student of Hindu teachings
among other the Vedas. Until you discover them yourself I'd ask you not to belittle
them.
--"Yeah in fact just down the road from here is a place where there are thousands of bodies buried in strata at least 10000 years old: about two metres down."
I'm sure your Xbox-360 told you that.
If you follow the work of Michael Cremo you will learn that modern human skeletons
:-)
have been found in strata deposited millions of years old and all over the world.
http://www.mcremo.com/cremo.htm
His book "Forbidden Archaeology" is a huge tome discussing hundreds of sites where
anomalous findings challenge (rip apart) todays dogmas in the field and it is also
an interesting read to see how the religion of western science preserves the purity
of its creed
It would be far better to have them put out a lot of material first
and then make the key / exploit available. Now you can depend on
it that future titles will not be able to be decrypted with that key.
Minion: "Mein Fuehrer, the five megawatt light device will be ready by mid-may,
the portable five megawatt backpack energy supply too."
Fuehrer: "Very good Herr Sturmbannfueher. I look forward to deploying this miracle weapon!"
Minion: "We still have a very small very minor problem to solve, mein Fuehrer."
Fuehrer: "Ja? Problem? What problem?"
Minion: "Our Tibet expedition has still failed to produce a Yeti to carry the weapon".
Civilians? Steel? Kevlar? The effective range depends on what you want to
burn a hole through and how long you're willing to wait for it.
you know where you can shove it, slashdot
--"These are not refutations"
No problem. Join our reality or create your own. Come back and bring a friend.
Roll your own ethics or borrow ours.
If he deletes something he is risking a lifetime in debt. Gunning shoplifters
down as they try to leave your store with an automated machine gun is vigilanteism
even if you put a sign up you're doing precisely that.
Deleting other people's data as they enter a blacklisted serial number is
vigilanteism even if you put a warning message in the registration dialog you're
doing precisely that.
Your arguments refuted in the order you bring them up
... as long as it remains undiscovered and unreported.
1. He might destroy property and cause damages many times his net worth.
2. Vigilanteism doesn't require law enforcement resources
3. You bet, but the only problem I have with this is (see 1.) he'll file bankruptcy.
4. He might consider other avenues of profiting from his work like bundling adware (if he is upfront about it)
or if it is something larger and worthwhile he might sell support for it. Piracy is here to stay and
it's the numero uno promotion tool. Personally I would LOVE to see my software pirated bigtime because
then I'd know that if only 1% out of a million go legit, that's 10000 copies sold which is as good
as it gets for a small shareware tool.
No moderation please, I just want this to be on record for google to find.
F BBG&&
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a rd.com
a rd.com
Display Eater (Software that maliciously deletes user data on entry of banned
registration key)
Just in case someone needs to subpoena him and to forestall him taking down his
site trying to make it harder to track him down here are his details:
His domain is reversecode.com and to this date he has a www.kagi.com
shop at http://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?storeID=6
and his domain record for reversecode.com follows.
Registration Service Provided By: NameCheap.com
Contact: support@NameCheap.com
Domain name: reversecode.com
Registrant Contact:
WhoisGuard
WhoisGuard Protected (575e59eacfa44540b56fee1b6f116b63.protect@whoisgu
)
+1.6613102107
Fax: +1.6613102107
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045
US
Administrative Contact:
WhoisGuard
WhoisGuard Protected (575e59eacfa44540b56fee1b6f116b63.protect@whoisgu
)
+1.6613102107
Fax: +1.6613102107
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045
US
Technical Contact:
WhoisGuard
WhoisGuard Protected (575e59eacfa44540b56fee1b6f116b63.protect@whoisgu
)
+1.6613102107
Fax: +1.6613102107
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045
US
Status: Locked
Name Servers:
ns1.networkredux.net
ns2.networkredux.net
Creation date: 26 May 2004 23:51:49
Expiration date: 26 May 2007 23:51:49
I don't think he was talking about getting technical training at MIT or Caltech but
an education at Harvard and Yale. What gets you into these? If anything breed.
Best if your Papa already went there.
--"So, I am leaving Southern California for the mountains of Colorado...
l .cfm?news_index=106
where the infection is almost as bad, but at least I can retreat into my
cave in the mountains and watch the world fall apart from the safety of
my own land"
Before you go you might like to check with the Ford Foundation first
what their plans are for the area you're moving to.
http://www.fordfound.org/news/view_speeches_detai
--"And we fund such organizations as the Mexican American Legal Defense
and Educational Fund, the Women's Law Fund, and the National Council of
La Raza, which work to strengthen their communities' capacities to
participate in American society."
Oh ja, Johanna the North American Union _is real_ and it _is here_.
Whereas the EU was sold to its unfortunates as a way to empower
people by a common market with a common currency and with residency
rights and work permits for every EU citizen throughout the EU,
our dictators can't even be bothered to go through the motions.
Never mind the Amero, the new American-Canadian-Mexican Dollareso
(muy doloroso, amigos), never mind that they're letting half of
South America "reconquista" the south-west, never mind that they'll
charge you a fortune on toll road fees to leave your plantation
(for another).. you will be told there is a North American Union
after they've powered up it's electric fence.
"Kylie Kenney explained how some kids at her school had created a web site that called for her death, then harassed her for several years with phone calls and e-mails, even after she transferred schools."
m l
I call bullshit! Come on! Kids with an attention span of less than thirty seconds harass a girl
for years after she left the school??! Get real and spare us the "They threw the babies out of
the incubator"- PR-spin.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.ht
where sentences and conviction travel at lightspeed while the indentured
populations stay on the plantation?
"Boy why would you want to go up north anyway? Who would be to keep you
and feed you?"
People tend to believe that just because a design used by
s _Cube and
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a certain religious group that it was created or at least
understood by that group. There is undoubtedly depth and
ancient knowledge _in the works_ from which for example
islamic, christian or jewish scriptures are _edited from_,
but you will need prior knowledge to actually point it out.
Take Christianity for an example here for it was far from
the exception. You will find in many of the older churches in
Europe displays of zodiacs and other graphics depicting
astrological concepts - even though Christians are forbidden
to engage in astrological practices.
Exploring this further you will find many temples throughout the
world are chock full of fascinating mathematical artefacts. Take
for example the Seed of Life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_of_Life
design which can be arranged into the Flower Of Life design
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_Life from which in turn
Metatron's Cube is derived http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron#Metatron.27
from which in turn you can finally derive the Five Platonic Solids
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_Solids.
If you're interested in this there is a good presentation albeit
lengthy demonstration of sacred geometry on Google Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=867372331
(part 1) and http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-62179233
(part 2)
Lastly sacred geometry not only appears in mosques or other temples but
also in crop circles http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2004/uk2004cf
and that makes you think doesn't it.
Okay look in retrospect I'm sorry for reporting your Paypal account.
I'm not sorry for what I said in this thread, but I regret having
been a snitch myself. I'm sorry, that was a deplorable way to act
against a fellow slashdotter and I sincerely apologize.
About you calling me a sycophant ("denouncer"): You obviously embrace the
concept when it suits you, but you scream and wail when you're on the
receiving end of it.
--"and yes, i'm spending so much time, researching who you are, looking you up personally ;-P"
By all means, impress me.
--"Nice story but the USA does not export landmines so sale to other countries."
No. They don't sell them. They just plant them. Your logic is flawed.
Wow, who is spending time here over this? You're obviously upset over this
and that alone would be further grounds for an investigation in RL.
_Following your logic_ now I could now pull down your pants and search your
cavities.
All I am saying is that I have reason to believe you are engaged in
criminal activity and following your logic I could violate your
civil liberties with a forceful search of your person and premises.
All I did was report to Paypal that you provide an unassigned 555
number as your customer service line.
--"smooches asshole"
I spent less than a minute looking up your details. Hugs and kisses.