Wow, you followed me every time I posted, ironically posted as an AC yourself and on top of that were wrong about my identity, which I wasn't even hiding. Sometimes the cigar is just a cigar.
I agree with you. It is also a lot about frameworks and libraries. But a quick Google to stackoverflow will often tell you what you need to implement something in library B that you already know how to do in library A.
Ha...I'm not the orignal poster. It sounds like his problem was he didn't originally make clear that he wasn't paying for bugs and thus the freelancer didn't have the opportunity to add that to the original contract fee (in which case he is trying to rip people, but he could easily fix that in the future by adding it to the contract and making it clear to his future contractors). Who knows if it is drivel or not? He left out the key information that would allow us to determine that...the contract.
He commits another basic sin of having no provisions in his contract for handling bugs, and is now surprised that it got him stuck.
Wait, are you sure about that? He called this a rule of his and so I assumed it was in the contract. Basically, if he didn't put this in the contract it is his bad and he should pay extra for bug fixes and if he did put it in the contract then the developer shouldn't complain (as long as it is a real bug and not a stealth feature). You'd assume if this was a rule of his though he'd spell it out formally in his agreements with developers.
As someone whose written apps in the last year in Objective-C, Java, C# and Object Pascal...
...and who also knows C and C++, which are really just subsets of Objective C...
...and Delphi, which is just a varient of Object Pascal...
...and who has dabbled in Python and PHP a bit to make some web-related stuff...
...and then like really who couldn't code in Visual Basic or.NET (but who would want to?)...
I'd like to just point out that all languages these days really aren't that different. Fundamentally you have strings, integers, arrays and the like and you spend a little time learning a new IDE and some syntax and you're more than halfway there.
And maybe when he says he can't afford $100k/year he means $90k is his max? Probably not....but maybe...;)
there is no way ever I would sign an f***ing contract where someone else can determine how much work I need to do for a fixed amount of money.
As a contract freelance software software developer (and I happen to be one as well) nobody else is determining how much work you need to do for a fixed amount of money. You are the one determining this. Really the trick is just getting a detailed feature-set and being good at estimating how much time things will take you. After you do that then you simply double the amount of time (because things don't always go smoothly). On half the projects where things actually do go smoothly it will work in your favor.
If someone else says "I think it will take this amount of work to write this iPhone app and I am willing to pay this amount of money" and it isn't in your opinion enough, you can just walk away and not take the contract.
Really is all depends on how he pays, doesn't it? I am a contract freelance software developer and I use the exact same policy he does with clients.
However, even though I am fixing bugs for "free" they really aren't free. The extra time it takes to fix bugs is simply factored into the initial contract costs. If the contract payment is too low, nothing is forcing you as a freelancer to accept it. You simply take those contracts which have a payment requisite to the amount of time you think it will take to make the software and fix its bugs relative to the complexity of the software you are creating.
I mean you can say "I don't pay for bugs," but really everyone is paying for bugs whether they think they are or not.
I am a contract software developer and have this exact same same policy myself. That is, when I get a client I ask for detailed specifications and we put them on paper. Then I go to work on the project. If when done they want a feature that isn't in the spec, we create a new milestone and they pay for it. If they find a bug and want it fixed, I fix it for free. It's just another way of saying "I guarantee my work."
There is no possible way that masterful specs can eliminate all bugs. In fact, I'm guessing you don't quite understand what he is referring to by "specs." Typically, specs from non-developers are a list of features they want, things they want the program to do, what they want the workflow to be and possibly how they want the program to look or wireframes. This isn't things at the level anywhere near code or pseudo-code and so it isn't really possible to eliminate bugs at this level. Putting a fault tolerance number wouldn't even help because whether something is one bug or two bugs is often somewhat arbitrary and some mythical evil programmer could easily put intentional bugs in the program to run through this artificial limit (which is why I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses the system you described...;) ).
I've been using basically the same policy he describes for years without issue. So, my advice to you is chill out and my advice to the poster is I'm sure there are other developers like me out there who you could use for contract freelancing. I mean, you wouldn't hire an architect who would built you a house but if there are structural problems post-construction would refuse to repair them at no cost (or would only repair three and after that you have to pay him extra). It's a pretty reasonable policy.
Generally parasites co-evolve with their hosts. Because of this, it is actually fairly unlikely to unearth some vicious ancient virus from waters a billion years old. Billions of years ago all that existed was bacteria and the oldest viruses we know about go back only hundreds of millions of years.
That said I fully endorse your Hermeticseal and wish you well in your initiating our flippered friends into the alchemic ways.
You really can't completely trust any episode of the Mythbusters where they test the myth on themselves instead of on volunteers because their expectations come into play. They could easily be subject to a placebo effect and because they believe they will perform better or worse, they do. Also, when they perform tests like this, they generally have a sample size of three, which isn't exactly statistically significant.
I seriously can't know how people can be comfortable with the Win7 Start screen. Here's a picture of my Program Manager in Win3.11. Everything is nicely pinned right there (no moving mouse around the screen), the search functionality works the same and there is direct access to things like Control Panel. It does not steal the attention with a full screen jumbled mess of harshly colored squares with uncolored icons.
The title says peppers but it says nicotine is actually the chemical at work. There are actually a few positive effects nicotine possesses, the negative effects of smoking are mediated by the oxidation products of cigarettes.
Which makes me wonder if electronic cigarette products may not only be not bad for you, but even potentially beneficial as they give you a low dose of nicotine through vaporization without the oxidation caused by burning.
Uh, no, it doesn't. The first amendment is the right to free speech. The second amendment is the right to bear arms.
What you are missing here is that these files this guy is sharing are essentially just descriptions of shapes and therefore typically would be considered speech. The files then let you make arms (though really poor quality ones). He is sharing information though, not arms, which is why this has been transmuted from a second amendment issue to a first amendment one.
I'm still wondering though due to that Tao of Math line if I've been expertly trolled or not.
32-inch television - $270. Superbowl add - $3.8 million. Visa net worth - $19.1 billion. Never letting us forget a mediocre commercial by turning it into a horrible meme - Priceless. Visa, it's everywhere you don't want to be.
"Meuthuen police say they understand the freedom of speech and they're not trying to shut anybody up, but in this instance they think it went a little too far."
That sounds like a bit of doublespeak to me. We aren't trying to control what you say, just don't say anything that we consider too far.
The whole genre of rap music is infused with the idea of committing crimes. If people assumed every time someone said anything threatening in a rap song, they were actually going to do what they said and arrested them, there wouldn't be a rapper left on the streets.
Actually, I think for the first time ever, I'm going to have to quote eminem:
America, hahaha, we love you, how many people are proud to be citizens of this beautiful
Country of ours, the stripes and the stars for the rights that men have died for to protect,
The women and men who have broke their neck's for the freedom of speech the United States
Government has sworn to uphold,
(Yo', I want everybody to listen to the words of this song) or so we're told...
That's why they put my
Lyrics up under this microscope, searchin' with a fine tooth comb, its like this rope, waitin'
To choke, tightening around my throat, watching me while I write this, like I don't like this,
Nope
The galaxy is full of people who live on moons of gas giants because they had a lot of incentive to develop space technology to hop from moon to moon.
The galaxy is full of people who grew up in low-gravity environments, because they are more comfortable living in space and thus travel is easier for them both energetically to get there and biologically to live there.
The galaxy is also full of people who grow lumps of rubber on their heads, but that's just because it is the latest rage in all the Alpha Centauri fashion holos.
The problem with the movie is the more you know about its plot, the less sure you are sure about its characters and the more you know about the characters the less you know about what is actually occurring.
Tragically, because the credits at the end tell you who the characters are, after seeing the movie you won't be able to know anything about what happened in it.
The sequel is being made out of quantum entangled atoms. So, if you and your friend go to see it, one will think it is horrible and the other it is great no-matter how far apart your seats are.
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I mostly code in Objective-C, so you are pretty far off-base. I do desktop and mobile development.
"Shopping around for developers" is not a viable business model all on its own, and leads to exactly the kind of problems he is trying to solve
I kind of agree with you there. It sounds like he doesn't really add much to the process.
Wow, you followed me every time I posted, ironically posted as an AC yourself and on top of that were wrong about my identity, which I wasn't even hiding. Sometimes the cigar is just a cigar.
I guess everyone has their favorite language. I like ObjC personally. Cocoa also is a pretty nice API.
Also, doesn't C# share all those features you mentioned about VB.NET or no?
Is that you, Kermit the Frog? I'm not the AC. From my perspective both you and the original poster are the AC's here. :)
I agree with you. It is also a lot about frameworks and libraries. But a quick Google to stackoverflow will often tell you what you need to implement something in library B that you already know how to do in library A.
Ha...I'm not the orignal poster. It sounds like his problem was he didn't originally make clear that he wasn't paying for bugs and thus the freelancer didn't have the opportunity to add that to the original contract fee (in which case he is trying to rip people, but he could easily fix that in the future by adding it to the contract and making it clear to his future contractors). Who knows if it is drivel or not? He left out the key information that would allow us to determine that...the contract.
I will prove you wrong right here:
#import "stdio.h"
int main(void)
{
printf(''Hello, world!\n'');
return 0;
}
(Really, it has a bug and I proved him right.)
He commits another basic sin of having no provisions in his contract for handling bugs, and is now surprised that it got him stuck.
Wait, are you sure about that? He called this a rule of his and so I assumed it was in the contract. Basically, if he didn't put this in the contract it is his bad and he should pay extra for bug fixes and if he did put it in the contract then the developer shouldn't complain (as long as it is a real bug and not a stealth feature). You'd assume if this was a rule of his though he'd spell it out formally in his agreements with developers.
As someone whose written apps in the last year in Objective-C, Java, C# and Object Pascal...
...and who also knows C and C++, which are really just subsets of Objective C...
...and Delphi, which is just a varient of Object Pascal...
...and who has dabbled in Python and PHP a bit to make some web-related stuff...
...and then like really who couldn't code in Visual Basic or .NET (but who would want to?)...
;)
I'd like to just point out that all languages these days really aren't that different. Fundamentally you have strings, integers, arrays and the like and you spend a little time learning a new IDE and some syntax and you're more than halfway there.
And maybe when he says he can't afford $100k/year he means $90k is his max? Probably not....but maybe...
there is no way ever I would sign an f***ing contract where someone else can determine how much work I need to do for a fixed amount of money.
As a contract freelance software software developer (and I happen to be one as well) nobody else is determining how much work you need to do for a fixed amount of money. You are the one determining this. Really the trick is just getting a detailed feature-set and being good at estimating how much time things will take you. After you do that then you simply double the amount of time (because things don't always go smoothly). On half the projects where things actually do go smoothly it will work in your favor.
If someone else says "I think it will take this amount of work to write this iPhone app and I am willing to pay this amount of money" and it isn't in your opinion enough, you can just walk away and not take the contract.
Really is all depends on how he pays, doesn't it? I am a contract freelance software developer and I use the exact same policy he does with clients.
However, even though I am fixing bugs for "free" they really aren't free. The extra time it takes to fix bugs is simply factored into the initial contract costs. If the contract payment is too low, nothing is forcing you as a freelancer to accept it. You simply take those contracts which have a payment requisite to the amount of time you think it will take to make the software and fix its bugs relative to the complexity of the software you are creating.
I mean you can say "I don't pay for bugs," but really everyone is paying for bugs whether they think they are or not.
I am a contract software developer and have this exact same same policy myself. That is, when I get a client I ask for detailed specifications and we put them on paper. Then I go to work on the project. If when done they want a feature that isn't in the spec, we create a new milestone and they pay for it. If they find a bug and want it fixed, I fix it for free. It's just another way of saying "I guarantee my work."
There is no possible way that masterful specs can eliminate all bugs. In fact, I'm guessing you don't quite understand what he is referring to by "specs." Typically, specs from non-developers are a list of features they want, things they want the program to do, what they want the workflow to be and possibly how they want the program to look or wireframes. This isn't things at the level anywhere near code or pseudo-code and so it isn't really possible to eliminate bugs at this level. Putting a fault tolerance number wouldn't even help because whether something is one bug or two bugs is often somewhat arbitrary and some mythical evil programmer could easily put intentional bugs in the program to run through this artificial limit (which is why I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses the system you described...;) ).
I've been using basically the same policy he describes for years without issue. So, my advice to you is chill out and my advice to the poster is I'm sure there are other developers like me out there who you could use for contract freelancing. I mean, you wouldn't hire an architect who would built you a house but if there are structural problems post-construction would refuse to repair them at no cost (or would only repair three and after that you have to pay him extra). It's a pretty reasonable policy.
Generally parasites co-evolve with their hosts. Because of this, it is actually fairly unlikely to unearth some vicious ancient virus from waters a billion years old. Billions of years ago all that existed was bacteria and the oldest viruses we know about go back only hundreds of millions of years.
That said I fully endorse your Hermetic seal and wish you well in your initiating our flippered friends into the alchemic ways.
You really can't completely trust any episode of the Mythbusters where they test the myth on themselves instead of on volunteers because their expectations come into play. They could easily be subject to a placebo effect and because they believe they will perform better or worse, they do. Also, when they perform tests like this, they generally have a sample size of three, which isn't exactly statistically significant.
I seriously can't know how people can be comfortable with the Win7 Start screen. Here's a picture of my Program Manager in Win3.11. Everything is nicely pinned right there (no moving mouse around the screen), the search functionality works the same and there is direct access to things like Control Panel. It does not steal the attention with a full screen jumbled mess of harshly colored squares with uncolored icons.
Personally, I'm going to wait for Windows 8.1 for Workgroups...
__
The title says peppers but it says nicotine is actually the chemical at work. There are actually a few positive effects nicotine possesses, the negative effects of smoking are mediated by the oxidation products of cigarettes.
Which makes me wonder if electronic cigarette products may not only be not bad for you, but even potentially beneficial as they give you a low dose of nicotine through vaporization without the oxidation caused by burning.
Ah, wonderful logic...
;-) Luckily, we are not insects.
That's the entire reason the nicotine is flowing through plants' veins in the first place: it's their natural insecticide.
Now why anybody would wanna eat insecticide by having a salad...
Chocolate is bad for dogs. It is good for people.
Uh, no, it doesn't. The first amendment is the right to free speech. The second amendment is the right to bear arms.
What you are missing here is that these files this guy is sharing are essentially just descriptions of shapes and therefore typically would be considered speech. The files then let you make arms (though really poor quality ones). He is sharing information though, not arms, which is why this has been transmuted from a second amendment issue to a first amendment one.
I'm still wondering though due to that Tao of Math line if I've been expertly trolled or not.
32-inch television - $270. Superbowl add - $3.8 million. Visa net worth - $19.1 billion. Never letting us forget a mediocre commercial by turning it into a horrible meme - Priceless. Visa, it's everywhere you don't want to be.
"Meuthuen police say they understand the freedom of speech and they're not trying to shut anybody up, but in this instance they think it went a little too far."
That sounds like a bit of doublespeak to me. We aren't trying to control what you say, just don't say anything that we consider too far.
The whole genre of rap music is infused with the idea of committing crimes. If people assumed every time someone said anything threatening in a rap song, they were actually going to do what they said and arrested them, there wouldn't be a rapper left on the streets.
Actually, I think for the first time ever, I'm going to have to quote eminem:
America, hahaha, we love you, how many people are proud to be citizens of this beautiful Country of ours, the stripes and the stars for the rights that men have died for to protect, The women and men who have broke their neck's for the freedom of speech the United States Government has sworn to uphold, (Yo', I want everybody to listen to the words of this song) or so we're told...
That's why they put my Lyrics up under this microscope, searchin' with a fine tooth comb, its like this rope, waitin' To choke, tightening around my throat, watching me while I write this, like I don't like this, Nope
The galaxy is full of people who live on moons of gas giants because they had a lot of incentive to develop space technology to hop from moon to moon.
The galaxy is full of people who grew up in low-gravity environments, because they are more comfortable living in space and thus travel is easier for them both energetically to get there and biologically to live there.
The galaxy is also full of people who grow lumps of rubber on their heads, but that's just because it is the latest rage in all the Alpha Centauri fashion holos.
The problem with the movie is the more you know about its plot, the less sure you are sure about its characters and the more you know about the characters the less you know about what is actually occurring.
Tragically, because the credits at the end tell you who the characters are, after seeing the movie you won't be able to know anything about what happened in it.
The sequel is being made out of quantum entangled atoms. So, if you and your friend go to see it, one will think it is horrible and the other it is great no-matter how far apart your seats are.