Are you sure? Or do you want to catch the/. kiddies out in not being too knowledgeable?
>Number two is that scp2 doesn't quite work, because it uses a proprietary protocol, although you can use scp1 over ssh2 fine.
scp uses ssh to transfer files. ssh supports the version 2 protocol - this is clearly documented and not "proprietary" as you claimed. What is proprietary is the sftp protocol used by ssh.com's commercial server. Is this what you mean?
Perhaps the Slashdot article doesn't make it clear - it's not the Linux-USB people who are restricting access, it's USB-IF who are the culprits in the matter.
My question is, why would someone want to restrict the development of drivers for their products? Surely this is simple maths - no support, less people buy. Take the SBLive for example - this has excellent support under linux, and many Linux weenies went out and bought it [GRiN]...
The cygwin32 compiler isn't a native compiler (cygwin32.dll). The mingw32 compiler depends on the CRTDLL and/or MSVCRT dll for its code. It's close to a native compiler, but Not Quite There.
* Crippleware/nagware/software that times out after X days-- "But see, it's helping them until it expires! They can use it to create Open Source applications for 30 days!" * Inexpensive software ("But see, it's cheap.. we're not greedy, so we're helping the Open Source community!")
It's called shareware. And the press release doesn't say anything about being "the pillars of the open source community". They simply stated that a free ANSI C++ compiler is now available for the Open Source community to do as they wish. Nothing more, nothing less.
You might scoff at this, but note that there *is* no other freely available native compiler for ANSI C++ available for the Win32 platform. That's the significance of Borland's announcement. ANSI C++ is a very difficult animal to tame. Why are we all moaning? C'mon, cut them some slack, they're already making a Linux version of their software, no reason why C++ on their Linux beast won't compile on their Win32 toy.
Please, you moderators, can you at least read the article first before moderating?
Could you also please not moderate if you have no knowledge of the subject matter, that might help. The BC++ compiler has always been a Windows product - the Linux version of their compiler has been announced separately.
I'm sorry, but since when has Linux been about Market Share? The only people who care about Linux Market Share are the ones selling it to us - RedHat, VALinux, SuSE, Mandrake, TurboLinux, LinuxOne etc etc etc. Let these people advocate their products.
Linux is about development on a community level. Take Debian for example. Linux is about being able to have a choice in what your system feels like. Take GNOME and KDE for example. Linux is about being able to run industrial strength software. Take Apache and Sendmail for example.
If you want to talk about Marketplace, please refer to the Cathedral and the Bazaar.
Who cares if Linux becomes irrelevant like OS/2 or Betamax? 4 years ago, Linux to me was a free desktop Unix. It still is that to me now. Sure, I'd like for other people to enjoy using it, but I really couldn't be fussed about it one way or the other.
I'm well aware of what the average consumer wants in a PC and Operating System. Frankly, not much on the market today fulfils that criteria. Other than your console games, of course...
Legal precedents for the world of the future are being set NOW.
I'm sorry, I really fail to see how the US legal system now becomes the world legal system - though the international conglomerate now probably is much stronger than nation states... in which case it's not the legal system that matters, it's the clout corporations have. Which in the US is proving that the individual really does have no rights - Real or Virtual. This *could* spread through the rest of the world, don't you think? (poor CSS guy, he doesn't stand a chance...)
So far Mac snobs would always say... my G4 is faster than your Pentium 3 (for some definitions of fast) - and my OS doesn't crash as much as yours... and... and...
If (as this is only a rumour) Apple is finally porting their OS onto different architectures, this would significantly change their market positioning - so far, it's been Apple Computers - Apple Macintosh [insert flavour here] + MacOS (IBM have their own PPC's, remember?).
Porting to other platforms would give Apple a chance to look at actually selling their "superior" (as my MacSnob Friend[tM] would say) OS to us poor people that have to put up with only that "other" OS to run on our (inferior? bah!) x86 architectures (and alpha, and crusoe and...)...
Or, you could just not bother and run Linux like a lot of us do now... {GRiN}
Right, when Big Business [tM] try strongarm tactics on the Little People (etoys, amazon) what can we do? Why don't we start boycotting the MPAA and it's products? i.e. we stop watching films. Surely we can survive without the Matrix DVD. Launch a public campaign, that's what I say - start hitting them in the market.
They start pressuring governments now? Well, that's the nature of the Trans-National Company. The worlds largest companies have sales which exceend the Gross National product of all but 15 countries in the world. So, they have all the muscle.
However, they are made out of people. They're playing rough, why don't we? Single out individuals in their companies, the figureheads, and rip their credibilities publicly. After all, that's what they are doing to ALT2600, the EFF and poor little Jon.
Right now it just looks as if it's only the hacker subculture that cares. However, a public boycott of DVD's may show them that we mean business (who actually buys DVDs, but us lot?).
I think the single most important resource of Linux must be the Linux Documentation Project and the myriad of HOWTO's available. (Personally , the PPP-HOWTO needs severe updating , and needs to be supplemented with a Modem-HOWTO, but this is a side issue...)
I use the LDP almost daily, in helping others use Linux. I often refer others to it - through experience, if it takes me 6 hours to figure something out, it would have taken 30 minutes if I'd just been bothered to read the HOWTO.
If this isn't another of those elaborate hoaxes - then it'd be quite intriguing. Already much work has gone into scent generation (perfumes) and scent detection (bomb sniffers... heh... and other industrial uses, of course).
Digital scent generation? From my understanding of smell, it might just work... many different combinations of aromatics could produce the right smell. However, you'd need lots of chemicals - it might just end up a right STINK...
Smell is a more powerful sensation than taste - why does your food taste bland when you have a blocked nose?;) This has implications, also stated on their website, in evoking emotions and memories - very, very powerful marketing tool. Fresh Lemon, Sweet Flowers, the smell of the Sea - jsut imagine, not only do you have to watch L d'caprio for 3 hours, you also have to smell him...
heh.
but i digress, it's high time we looked into other forms of media, not just sight and sound. This might not be "it", but it's a step in the right direction, imo.
Okay, too many patent, suits, copyright, my head is starting to spin... HELP!
Why is MP3.com being sued? afaik, they sre a distribution point for Internet Musicians. Unless of course "MP3 is method for circumventing copy protection and intellectual copyright bla bla bla"...
There is no point in sueing MP3.com - as is the nature of the internet, portal sites will soon pop up mirroring its content, or even worse, blatantly disregarding copyright law and posting Commercial RIAA music.
I've had enough of this. When are these people going to learn, the free flow of information means that we have to rethink their concept of the business model?
I don't begrudge the 20 million subscribers that they have, and, so what if it takes over all the Internet functions of your WinXX computer?
If you fail to read the installation instructions and warnings of *any* software you put on your Personal Computer, then, you will suffer consequences.
Certainly this will give AOL some bad publicity, but as has been said in the article, AOL isn't getting many formal complaints.
This isn't the "kiss of death" for AOL - they are a pretty popular ISP, and their "easy-to-use" software is targetted at the general public, not us/. geeks. Why do we need to get up in arms about it? Most of us run Alternative OS's anyway...
On another note, the laptop being hosed by AOL software is certainly a horror story, and if AOL Software was responsible, they should at least make an attempt to apologise... IF that person actually complained to AOL, if not, then, what have they got to respond to?
Well, security is one thing - everyone talks about security, however, we forget that the main threat to security is the human element. Passwords discarded in trashcans, to start off with. Disgruntled employees. One could make a whole list of these. Furthermore, any vendor which doesn't list security as a primary concern should be shot anyway.
Well done to MS, they're now looking at security. How about stability? I know for a fact that quite a few financial institutions use NT on the desktop, but have banned it from their servers. Or actively discouraged the use of it there. How about MS showing us definite proof of W2K's stability, as compared to, for example a Sun Enterprise server or SGI enterprise class server, or IBM, or HP etc etc etc.
The desktop user does tolerate BSOD's and the occasional reboot (once an hour is annoying, but provided you don't lose data, it's fine...). However, let's look at the back-end for a change?
My main query of this patent is, how it applies to only the Wireless Application Protocal and not Dynamically generated HTML (I'm talking about Zope and ASP mainly - as these have server side Objects, and to a certain extent ECMAScript).
I don't object to them wanting to make money out of their patent, but it's painfully obvious that they did *not* invent the WAP/WML standard. I'm not sure if they helped develop it (this is unlikely, as the claim would have been made earlier if this was so).
I go back to another of my comments on Patenting - is it such a good idea? (Has anyone read Bruce Sterling's Distraction? The bit where he talks about the Chinese broadbanding US Intellectual Property? Then you'll have an idea of what I'm trying to get at.)
Okay, back to Geoworks Patent - one of the things they've highlighted is the top-down hierarchy of implementating a "label" or "hint" and displaying it according to context. To me, this looks like what any sensible expert/AI display system would do - don't get me wrong, Internet Browsers are min-expert systems in that they make decisions on how to present the HTML to the user (IE also goes as far to fix missing TABLE tags).
Their white paper insists on calling the display application a "mini-browser"... this has other implications, in that they have not made it clear prior art is of course things such as the HyperCard browser (i believe this came much before HTML/Mosaic, i'm frequently wrong though...)
I'm sorry, but Slashdot is not a Soapbox. 3 articles by Jon Katz, just because he got a "Please Die" email? Please, I get threats and abuse daily from my dealings on #linux on IRCnet. And I'm not even a channel operator.
One article is enough, and the discussion thereof should have been sufficient - true, there are many Loud Skript Kiddies who just shout abuse, however, actually having your own soapbox on/. is rather ironic - you're complaining that it's hard to state your views... well, having/. articles that state your view rather shoves it down a lot of people's throats now, doesn't it?
I know this detracts from the issue you're bringing up, but you are encouraging it by doing it this way.
I love fantasy. Ever since Weiss and Hickman, the Dragons have captured my imagination. Anybody remember that game where you rode on the back of dragons into battle? A dragon Flight Simulator - one of the first truly original ideas (well, not truly original, but the execution was brilliant). The Red Dragons, Black Dragons, Ice Dragons...
I'm not disappointed that it's not about the cartoon - though that holds a fond memory. Hopefully there'll be loads of dragons (DragonFear!)... woooh. I'm getting goosebumps already....
The pentium processor did not/does not support the Halt/Idle/Noop instruction. This I found out when using waterfall (or some other program).
The point is, that, whilst the computer is turned on, a lot of power is consumed anyway, and the increase used by calculating something is insignificant compared to the Cooling Fan power being consumed (just how *noisy* are they?). You want to conserve power, then don't use a computer. Booting on and off all day doesn't help, as the transient power load at boot time is quite significant.
Deja Moo: The Feeling You've Heard This Bull Before
The patenting of genes (or the process thereof) is not such a great idea. We already live in a semi-luddite world where the potential social backlash of even genetically modified crop is severe. The patenting of genes or such a process will make the information available publicly - Patents are NOT trade secrets. This may lead to a black clinic market where parents wishing to give their children that slight edge go. We've all read Gibson - "The black clinics of Chiba finds other uses for such technology".
Once something has been invented, and proven to be done, it cannot be un-invanted - that is not that nature of inventions. Patenting of genes and processing thereof will spurn innovation, but will they really be controlled by this absurd notion of the Patent?
Although the application programming community also has alot of programmers, they are all duplicating each other's work!
You're forgetting that the source is often GPL'd - one can easily use the base source code of the application doesn't fulfil his needs and modify it to do so. Case in point here, gnome icu for example used base code from the command line micq.
The real question is, does MS really need another distributed object specification? Chances are, the microsoft implementation model will be built on top of COM/COM+. I was employed for 2 months over my summer researching MS's COM so I could teach the company programmers what it was all about. Along the way, I attended a couple of talks by Inside COM+'s author (Mr Platt). From what I've seen, COM+ is a great specification - if 1) it wasn't changed every 2 months, and 2) if what is promised can be delivered. Now, I'm not blind to the fact that the proposed SOAP is an Open standard, but, the point is that MS is going to be the first people to implement it. Because of this, I don't see many Open Source zealots rushing to implement it as well, seeing MS's track record on so-called Open standards. I'm always reminded of a quote from Inside COM - "At Microsoft, we feel we can always improve upon a standard" (this refers to the IDL, by the way). Ah well. Enough of my miserable drivel. Now to actually go and look at the SOAP spec...
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Are you sure? Or do you want to catch the /. kiddies out in not being too knowledgeable?
>Number two is that scp2 doesn't quite work, because it uses a proprietary protocol, although you can use scp1 over ssh2 fine.
scp uses ssh to transfer files. ssh supports the version 2 protocol - this is clearly documented and not "proprietary" as you claimed. What is proprietary is the sftp protocol used by ssh.com's commercial server. Is this what you mean?
Perhaps the Slashdot article doesn't make it clear - it's not the Linux-USB people who are restricting access, it's USB-IF who are the culprits in the matter.
My question is, why would someone want to restrict the development of drivers for their products? Surely this is simple maths - no support, less people buy. Take the SBLive for example - this has excellent support under linux, and many Linux weenies went out and bought it [GRiN] ...
The cygwin32 compiler isn't a native compiler (cygwin32.dll). The mingw32 compiler depends on the CRTDLL and/or MSVCRT dll for its code. It's close to a native compiler, but Not Quite There.
* Crippleware/nagware/software that times out after X days-- "But see, it's helping them until it expires! They can use it to create Open Source applications for 30 days!"
* Inexpensive software ("But see, it's cheap.. we're not greedy, so we're helping the Open Source community!")
It's called shareware. And the press release doesn't say anything about being "the pillars of the open source community". They simply stated that a free ANSI C++ compiler is now available for the Open Source community to do as they wish. Nothing more, nothing less.
You might scoff at this, but note that there *is* no other freely available native compiler for ANSI C++ available for the Win32 platform. That's the significance of Borland's announcement. ANSI C++ is a very difficult animal to tame. Why are we all moaning? C'mon, cut them some slack, they're already making a Linux version of their software, no reason why C++ on their Linux beast won't compile on their Win32 toy.
We'll all reap the benefits, damnit.
"insightful" ?
Please, you moderators, can you at least read the article first before moderating?
Could you also please not moderate if you have no knowledge of the subject matter, that might help. The BC++ compiler has always been a Windows product - the Linux version of their compiler has been announced separately.
I'm sorry, but since when has Linux been about Market Share? The only people who care about Linux Market Share are the ones selling it to us - RedHat, VALinux, SuSE, Mandrake, TurboLinux, LinuxOne etc etc etc. Let these people advocate their products.
...
Linux is about development on a community level. Take Debian for example. Linux is about being able to have a choice in what your system feels like. Take GNOME and KDE for example. Linux is about being able to run industrial strength software. Take Apache and Sendmail for example.
If you want to talk about Marketplace, please refer to the Cathedral and the Bazaar.
Who cares if Linux becomes irrelevant like OS/2 or Betamax? 4 years ago, Linux to me was a free desktop Unix. It still is that to me now. Sure, I'd like for other people to enjoy using it, but I really couldn't be fussed about it one way or the other.
I'm well aware of what the average consumer wants in a PC and Operating System. Frankly, not much on the market today fulfils that criteria. Other than your console games, of course
Legal precedents for the world of the future are being set NOW.
... in which case it's not the legal system that matters, it's the clout corporations have. Which in the US is proving that the individual really does have no rights - Real or Virtual. This *could* spread through the rest of the world, don't you think? (poor CSS guy, he doesn't stand a chance ...)
I'm sorry, I really fail to see how the US legal system now becomes the world legal system - though the international conglomerate now probably is much stronger than nation states
"I sold my soul to the company store."
So far Mac snobs would always say ... my G4 is faster than your Pentium 3 (for some definitions of fast) - and my OS doesn't crash as much as yours ... and ... and ...
...) ...
... {GRiN}
If (as this is only a rumour) Apple is finally porting their OS onto different architectures, this would significantly change their market positioning - so far, it's been Apple Computers - Apple Macintosh [insert flavour here] + MacOS (IBM have their own PPC's, remember?).
Porting to other platforms would give Apple a chance to look at actually selling their "superior" (as my MacSnob Friend[tM] would say) OS to us poor people that have to put up with only that "other" OS to run on our (inferior? bah!) x86 architectures (and alpha, and crusoe and
Or, you could just not bother and run Linux like a lot of us do now
Right, when Big Business [tM] try strongarm tactics on the Little People (etoys, amazon) what can we do? Why don't we start boycotting the MPAA and it's products? i.e. we stop watching films. Surely we can survive without the Matrix DVD. Launch a public campaign, that's what I say - start hitting them in the market.
They start pressuring governments now? Well, that's the nature of the Trans-National Company. The worlds largest companies have sales which exceend the Gross National product of all but 15 countries in the world. So, they have all the muscle.
However, they are made out of people. They're playing rough, why don't we? Single out individuals in their companies, the figureheads, and rip their credibilities publicly. After all, that's what they are doing to ALT2600, the EFF and poor little Jon.
Right now it just looks as if it's only the hacker subculture that cares. However, a public boycott of DVD's may show them that we mean business (who actually buys DVDs, but us lot?).
I think the single most important resource of Linux must be the Linux Documentation Project and the myriad of HOWTO's available. (Personally , the PPP-HOWTO needs severe updating , and needs to be supplemented with a Modem-HOWTO, but this is a side issue ...)
I use the LDP almost daily, in helping others use Linux. I often refer others to it - through experience, if it takes me 6 hours to figure something out, it would have taken 30 minutes if I'd just been bothered to read the HOWTO.
Thank you Matt, you're a star.
If this isn't another of those elaborate hoaxes - then it'd be quite intriguing. Already much work has gone into scent generation (perfumes) and scent detection (bomb sniffers ... heh ... and other industrial uses, of course).
... many different combinations of aromatics could produce the right smell. However, you'd need lots of chemicals - it might just end up a right STINK ...
;) This has implications, also stated on their website, in evoking emotions and memories - very, very powerful marketing tool. Fresh Lemon, Sweet Flowers, the smell of the Sea - jsut imagine, not only do you have to watch L d'caprio for 3 hours, you also have to smell him ...
Digital scent generation? From my understanding of smell, it might just work
Smell is a more powerful sensation than taste - why does your food taste bland when you have a blocked nose?
heh.
but i digress, it's high time we looked into other forms of media, not just sight and sound. This might not be "it", but it's a step in the right direction, imo.
Okay, too many patent, suits, copyright, my head is starting to spin ... HELP!
...
Why is MP3.com being sued? afaik, they sre a distribution point for Internet Musicians. Unless of course "MP3 is method for circumventing copy protection and intellectual copyright bla bla bla"
There is no point in sueing MP3.com - as is the nature of the internet, portal sites will soon pop up mirroring its content, or even worse, blatantly disregarding copyright law and posting Commercial RIAA music.
I've had enough of this. When are these people going to learn, the free flow of information means that we have to rethink their concept of the business model?
I don't begrudge the 20 million subscribers that they have, and, so what if it takes over all the Internet functions of your WinXX computer?
/. geeks. Why do we need to get up in arms about it? Most of us run Alternative OS's anyway ...
... IF that person actually complained to AOL, if not, then, what have they got to respond to?
If you fail to read the installation instructions and warnings of *any* software you put on your Personal Computer, then, you will suffer consequences.
Certainly this will give AOL some bad publicity, but as has been said in the article, AOL isn't getting many formal complaints.
This isn't the "kiss of death" for AOL - they are a pretty popular ISP, and their "easy-to-use" software is targetted at the general public, not us
On another note, the laptop being hosed by AOL software is certainly a horror story, and if AOL Software was responsible, they should at least make an attempt to apologise
... maybe we can have special tags ? hehe.
Well, security is one thing - everyone talks about security, however, we forget that the main threat to security is the human element. Passwords discarded in trashcans, to start off with. Disgruntled employees. One could make a whole list of these. Furthermore, any vendor which doesn't list security as a primary concern should be shot anyway.
...). However, let's look at the back-end for a change?
Well done to MS, they're now looking at security. How about stability? I know for a fact that quite a few financial institutions use NT on the desktop, but have banned it from their servers. Or actively discouraged the use of it there. How about MS showing us definite proof of W2K's stability, as compared to, for example a Sun Enterprise server or SGI enterprise class server, or IBM, or HP etc etc etc.
The desktop user does tolerate BSOD's and the occasional reboot (once an hour is annoying, but provided you don't lose data, it's fine
My main query of this patent is, how it applies to only the Wireless Application Protocal and not Dynamically generated HTML (I'm talking about Zope and ASP mainly - as these have server side Objects, and to a certain extent ECMAScript).
... this has other implications, in that they have not made it clear prior art is of course things such as the HyperCard browser (i believe this came much before HTML/Mosaic, i'm frequently wrong though ...)
I don't object to them wanting to make money out of their patent, but it's painfully obvious that they did *not* invent the WAP/WML standard. I'm not sure if they helped develop it (this is unlikely, as the claim would have been made earlier if this was so).
I go back to another of my comments on Patenting - is it such a good idea? (Has anyone read Bruce Sterling's Distraction? The bit where he talks about the Chinese broadbanding US Intellectual Property? Then you'll have an idea of what I'm trying to get at.)
Okay, back to Geoworks Patent - one of the things they've highlighted is the top-down hierarchy of implementating a "label" or "hint" and displaying it according to context. To me, this looks like what any sensible expert/AI display system would do - don't get me wrong, Internet Browsers are min-expert systems in that they make decisions on how to present the HTML to the user (IE also goes as far to fix missing TABLE tags).
Their white paper insists on calling the display application a "mini-browser"
.my 2p
I'm sorry, but Slashdot is not a Soapbox. 3 articles by Jon Katz, just because he got a "Please Die" email? Please, I get threats and abuse daily from my dealings on #linux on IRCnet. And I'm not even a channel operator.
/. is rather ironic - you're complaining that it's hard to state your views ... well, having /. articles that state your view rather shoves it down a lot of people's throats now, doesn't it?
One article is enough, and the discussion thereof should have been sufficient - true, there are many Loud Skript Kiddies who just shout abuse, however, actually having your own soapbox on
I know this detracts from the issue you're bringing up, but you are encouraging it by doing it this way.
.my 2p
I love fantasy. Ever since Weiss and Hickman, the Dragons have captured my imagination. Anybody remember that game where you rode on the back of dragons into battle? A dragon Flight Simulator - one of the first truly original ideas (well, not truly original, but the execution was brilliant). The Red Dragons, Black Dragons, Ice Dragons ...
... woooh. I'm getting goosebumps already ....
I'm not disappointed that it's not about the cartoon - though that holds a fond memory. Hopefully there'll be loads of dragons (DragonFear!)
The pentium processor did not/does not support the Halt/Idle/Noop instruction. This I found out when using waterfall (or some other program).
The point is, that, whilst the computer is turned on, a lot of power is consumed anyway, and the increase used by calculating something is insignificant compared to the Cooling Fan power being consumed (just how *noisy* are they?). You want to conserve power, then don't use a computer. Booting on and off all day doesn't help, as the transient power load at boot time is quite significant.
Deja Moo: The Feeling You've Heard This Bull Before
The patenting of genes (or the process thereof) is not such a great idea. We already live in a semi-luddite world where the potential social backlash of even genetically modified crop is severe. The patenting of genes or such a process will make the information available publicly - Patents are NOT trade secrets. This may lead to a black clinic market where parents wishing to give their children that slight edge go. We've all read Gibson - "The black clinics of Chiba finds other uses for such technology".
Once something has been invented, and proven to be done, it cannot be un-invanted - that is not that nature of inventions. Patenting of genes and processing thereof will spurn innovation, but will they really be controlled by this absurd notion of the Patent?
You're forgetting that the source is often GPL'd - one can easily use the base source code of the application doesn't fulfil his needs and modify it to do so. Case in point here, gnome icu for example used base code from the command line micq.
"massive particle accelerators" ?
This is supposed to be Cold Fusion.
The real question is, does MS really need another distributed object specification? Chances are, the microsoft implementation model will be built on top of COM/COM+. ...
I was employed for 2 months over my summer researching MS's COM so I could teach the company programmers what it was all about. Along the way, I attended a couple of talks by Inside COM+'s author (Mr Platt). From what I've seen, COM+ is a great specification - if 1) it wasn't changed every 2 months, and 2) if what is promised can be delivered.
Now, I'm not blind to the fact that the proposed SOAP is an Open standard, but, the point is that MS is going to be the first people to implement it. Because of this, I don't see many Open Source zealots rushing to implement it as well, seeing MS's track record on so-called Open standards. I'm always reminded of a quote from Inside COM - "At Microsoft, we feel we can always improve upon a standard" (this refers to the IDL, by the way).
Ah well. Enough of my miserable drivel. Now to actually go and look at the SOAP spec