I agree with you, but to a certain point. I agree with the people who dislike Microsoft for shutting out other competition in areas where there are just plain better competitors than MS. An example of this is Microsoft making every effort to shut 3com PalmOS out of business. Let's face it folks, the PalmOS is better than Windows CE for PDA's! (I think we can all agree, right?) But when everyone is just disliking Microsoft because it's the "in" thing to do and you're somehow more of a geek, I get sick of it!
People are wasting SOOOOOOO much time using Linux as a client system just so they can somehow think they are boycotting Microsoft just so they can tell other geeks on the Net "hey I don't use Windows so I'm more cool than you are!". The main reason I love Linux and UNIX in general is that is KICKS ASS for serving. The Internet was built on UNIX, and UNIX is still where it's at. Linux has a more stable kernel than Windows, and can do more with less hardware than Windows as a server. 16 MB ram on an NT Server? Don't even think about it. But for Linux running Apache, it would run great.
I mean, what else is there to say? Sometimes I wonder about the Psychology of the whole MS bashing. It's almost a completely adolescent thing to do, just like when we rebelled when we were teenagers.
Think for yourself, and use what YOU think is the best and simplest and easiest way to get the job done. At the same time, don't just use NT Servers because Microsoft brainwashes you into thinking they are faster than UNIX as webservers, because they just AREN'T. Be yourself, think for yourself, and you'll succeed in business, at home, or wherever.
what in the hell would anyone need a tail light on a mouse for?? geee! im going backwards, better watch where im going. i mean how many of us actually look at the mouse as we are moving it??
that was different, MS was still getting paid for IE- through the windows os costs. They can always maintain their monopoly and have indirect revenue for IE via other products, even if IE is given away. The programmers who wrote IE, I'm sure, were paid well. This is what makes companies like MS so dangerous.
One more thing. Does anybody else have a problem with moving parts on their PC? I sure do. My hard-drive is bad enough, but adding some other whirlygig doesn't make it better.
I'm tired of people gawking over removable media. My PC does not have (and will never have) a floppy drive, CD-ROM drive, Zip-Drive, Jaz-Drive, or JimBob's Super duper magneto-optical gizmo. My PC will allways have a fast, high band- width, low-latency network connection. Screw removable media.
>>It's gotta be Canada taxing the bajeezez out of your orders, I (in the US) order stuff shipped via UPS from Japan all the time and see no 'brokerage fees'. Canada is struggling to keep its identity and does so by trying to make imports more expensive in order to encourage local production and consumption. If you're buying anime, though, like me, you're screwed.
The Canadian government should die, those bacon eating bastards. You guys should revolt! Oh, wait a minute. You're not allowed to own guns(at least not easily). And you're not allowed to posess dangerous information. Ah well, fuck it. You're screwed.
If the government regulates the proper use of HTML, this could be a great benefit to the internet as a whole. It starts with making pages handicap accessable, which isn't that difficult from a design standpoint.
If we're lucky, the government will carry this on to browsers. What I wouldn't give to force browsers to follow a stardard so that I can design under one and know that it will work with other browsers equally well.
This is just the benefit to the designers. Give the blind people a break. They're already blind, isn't that challenge enough without people making things more difficult for them out of sloth?
Castlewood is reporting that the SCSI and USB versions will work with MacOS. If they'll work with MacOS & Windoze there shouldn't be *too* much of a problem getting one to work under Linux or BeOS.
Scientists discover new form of matter: DLTite. A lump of this substance remains 100% unchanged after exposure to the elements (including magnetism, extreme heat (the interior of a star), extreme cold (10 degrees below absolute zero), and the end of the universe (only tested once)).
The only problem is, since it can't be modified, you can't make a backup onto it.
That's true, in the last few years the amount of creativity in the software industry has been a little weak. Although this is a shame,
Yap, when people realize how stupid "home movie editing" it is. They don't even want to _watch_ programs smarter than sport or westling, why would they want to do things only pro need to do? (Home publishing, duh!) The PC market is not dead. People all over the world use PCs for millions of different reasons. Just because it's not a boom market, doesn't mean it's not alive.
Not until smart home appliances actually appear and PC cost no more than a good VCR. CY
Please, don't go blaming corporate mutation of a bad language for even worse code. No matter what NS or MS did, it doesn't change the fact that lots of people (webwankers?) use img src="whatever.gif" and leave it at that without the kinder, gentler height= and width= for graphics-enhanced browsers, let alone an alt= tag for Lynx, the preferred ADA-Compliant browser where I work. And it certainly wouldn't change the fact that Corporate-made GUI HTML spawners will screw up pretty bad -- anybody seen MS Publisher HTML? It converts the file to a.gif and makes an HTML image map to go over it. Imagine how that would look in Lynx... (shudder!) -- Kiez Kah-se' Some Guy Out West
Ok..maybe I _was_ reaching a bit here. Of course, I was more concerned with the point that this site seems to be a quick "let's get ourselved known on Slashdot" rather than actually providing any benefit to the linux newbie. I was a little quick to the punch, and was a bit obrasive in my commentary. For that I apologize to the creators of linuxnewbie.org, and to the faithful Slashdot readers.
"1) Then OpenSource model works and (in most cases) it works well. OpenSource programmers will not starve."
The first part I dont have a problem with, but the second part I'm not sure about. That's quite a broad statement to make without justification. I'm not trying to drag anyone down on this, but I don't see how an "atypical" OSS programmer can make his money. For example, the guys who leads the Gnome project (sorry cant remember his name as I use KDE:P) has a regular job doesn't he? To pay the bills?
I would appreciate it if someone could could explain this a little better to me. I program for a living,and I've never written OSS.
We operate in a capitalist society. Capitalism relies heavily on the idea that there will be a limitless market as well as limitless resources, however in the field of computers, this first principle does not hold true. No matter how much we can try, you can only sell so many computers to the world, because really, not everyone needs a 500 Mhz machine at home. Demand is going to drop off for these machines, and in response producers are going to have to cut prices to sell them, and after a while they will have to cut production or lose money. That's the way a capitalist economy works, it always has, and no amount of price fixing is going to change that.
The trick to free software is not making money on your software contribution, but making money in a more sideways fassion.
The free software gives the garage shop programmer a boost. They do not have to develope six man years of code to do the _quick_ neat thing they wanted to scew around with... They can go directly to it.
What does Compaq care what OS they distribute with their servers/desktops. They will ship whatever people are willing to pay for. If free software opens markets that were not previously available I am sure they will be overjoyed.
The same for Cygnus and Redhat. They support the free software movement by SELLING support. If you do not have the expertise inhouse to modify your free source Cygnus will contract it out to you. Redhat sells convience and some level of assurance that the code has at least been looked at once by a professional programmer before distribution.
If the software companies (M$) start getting scared that this is going to hurt their bottom line maybe they should find other places to make their billions. M$'s software has been getting more expensive and many of the features they have been adding to justify a new version have been more a pain than a help (like the paper clip...).
If I put a picture of my dog Spot on my personal web page without an audio file describing the picture, will this constitute a hate crime?
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Posted by Josefine K.:
Teaching my mother about Linux did a lot more than allow her to search for recipes faster...As a tenured electronics instructor, her opinions count about what courses are to be developed at her college. Living in the Seattle area, local junior and higher level colleges are clogged with M$-funded tripe coursework. Structured Programming with Visual Basic, Database Theory with Access, Networking programs that require three quarters MS-DOS but Unix is an elective...I won't go on. It's been a battle, but Mom has worked with other *nix-friendly instructors to offer students decent classes that go beyond the Novell Netware installation wizard. There's still a long way to go though...
Microsoft funding skews Seattle area training options-but what are the facts? What has everyone else found? I'd love to see more in-depth investigation. Seen on "Tasty bits from the Technology Front": _Microsoft leverages education grants_ (http://www.tbtf.com/archive/1999-02-15.html#s04)
All I know is, what I wouldn't do for a decent comp sci education! The HIT lab may be hot shit, but what about the UW's comp sci dept "Professional Masters Degree" with classes on "INTRODUCTION to to the principles of database management systems (http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/masters/co urse_descriptions.html), heavily supported by the "Industrial Affiliates Program"?
Sure would love to see a slashdot article on the effects M$ funding and course offerings-I know this isn't only happening in Redmond.
Slashdot Mirror
Posted by DiegoGuy:
I agree with you, but to a certain point. I agree with the people who dislike Microsoft for shutting out other competition in areas where there are just plain better competitors than MS. An example of this is Microsoft making every effort to shut 3com PalmOS out of business. Let's face it folks, the PalmOS is better than Windows CE for PDA's! (I think we can all agree, right?) But when everyone is just disliking Microsoft because it's the "in" thing to do and you're somehow more of a geek, I get sick of it!
People are wasting SOOOOOOO much time using Linux as a client system just so they can somehow think they are boycotting Microsoft just so they can tell other geeks on the Net "hey I don't use Windows so I'm more cool than you are!". The main reason I love Linux and UNIX in general is that is KICKS ASS for serving. The Internet was built on UNIX, and UNIX is still where it's at. Linux has a more stable kernel than Windows, and can do more with less hardware than Windows as a server. 16 MB ram on an NT Server? Don't even think about it. But for Linux running Apache, it would run great.
I mean, what else is there to say? Sometimes I wonder about the Psychology of the whole MS bashing. It's almost a completely adolescent thing to do, just like when we rebelled when we were teenagers.
Think for yourself, and use what YOU think is the best and simplest and easiest way to get the job done. At the same time, don't just use NT Servers because Microsoft brainwashes you into thinking they are faster than UNIX as webservers, because they just AREN'T. Be yourself, think for yourself, and you'll succeed in business, at home, or wherever.
Posted by Assmodeus:
what in the hell would anyone need a tail light on a mouse for?? geee! im going backwards, better watch where im going. i mean how many of us actually look at the mouse as we are moving it??
Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
that was different, MS was still getting paid for IE- through the windows os costs. They can always maintain their monopoly and have indirect revenue for IE via other products, even if IE is given away. The programmers who wrote IE, I'm sure, were paid well. This is what makes companies like MS so dangerous.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
"...if a tape breaks or loses data before the 30 years / 15,000 cycles is up you get a new one."
Great! And if my wife dies, I can remarry...
The problem here is that their cost is the cost of a tape which is, what, $50? Any given 20GB chunk of my data is going to be worth more than that.
To be meaningful, a "lifetime guarantee" should:
a) last a lifetime AND
b) cover ALL losses
Posted by OGL:
He showed up last year when I wasn't there, and now, when I have a chance to go...
I realize Linus is a busy man, but really, are you going to compare any other possible keynote speaker to him?
-W.W.
Posted by Macaw25:
One more thing. Does anybody else have a problem with moving parts on their PC? I sure do. My hard-drive is bad enough, but adding some other whirlygig doesn't make it better.
Posted by Macaw25:
I'm tired of people gawking over removable media. My PC does not have (and will never have) a floppy drive, CD-ROM drive, Zip-Drive, Jaz-Drive, or JimBob's Super duper magneto-optical gizmo. My PC will allways have a fast, high band- width, low-latency network connection. Screw removable media.
Posted by kenmcneil:
This happened under...(drum roll)...Windows!
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
>>It's gotta be Canada taxing the bajeezez out of your orders, I (in the US) order stuff shipped via UPS from Japan all the time and see no 'brokerage fees'. Canada is struggling to keep its identity and does so by trying to make imports more expensive in order to encourage local production and consumption. If you're buying anime, though, like me, you're screwed.
The Canadian government should die, those bacon eating bastards. You guys should revolt! Oh, wait a minute. You're not allowed to own guns(at least not easily). And you're not allowed to posess dangerous information. Ah well, fuck it. You're screwed.
There's plenty of room to the south of you.
LK
Posted by Alice in Uberland:
If the government regulates the proper use of HTML, this could be a great benefit to the internet as a whole. It starts with making pages handicap accessable, which isn't that difficult from a design standpoint.
If we're lucky, the government will carry this on to browsers. What I wouldn't give to force browsers to follow a stardard so that I can design under one and know that it will work with other browsers equally well.
This is just the benefit to the designers. Give the blind people a break. They're already blind, isn't that challenge enough without people making things more difficult for them out of sloth?
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
Castlewood is reporting that the SCSI and USB versions will work with MacOS. If they'll work with MacOS & Windoze there shouldn't be *too* much of a problem getting one to work under Linux or BeOS.
LK
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Scientists discover new form of matter: DLTite. A lump of this substance remains 100% unchanged after exposure to the elements (including magnetism, extreme heat (the interior of a star), extreme cold (10 degrees below absolute zero), and the end of the universe (only tested once)).
The only problem is, since it can't be modified, you can't make a backup onto it.
420 (the code cops use for calling in pot) happens to be tomarrow 4/20.
Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:
The trouble is there's this bug, see, and the cluster thinks there's only 1900 nodes for some reason. Any ideas?
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Computers are useless. They can only give answers.
Posted by My_Favorite_Anonymous_Coward:
That's true, in the last few years the amount of creativity in the software industry has been a little weak. Although this is a shame,
Yap, when people realize how stupid "home movie editing" it is. They don't even want to _watch_ programs smarter than sport or westling, why would they want to do things only pro need to do? (Home publishing, duh!)
The PC market is not dead. People all over the world use PCs for millions of different reasons. Just because it's not a boom market, doesn't mean it's not alive.
Not until smart home appliances actually appear and PC cost no more than a good VCR.
CY
Posted by kiezkahse:
.gif and makes an HTML image map to go over it. Imagine how that would look in Lynx... (shudder!)
Please, don't go blaming corporate mutation of a bad language for even worse code. No matter what NS or MS did, it doesn't change the fact that lots of people (webwankers?) use img src="whatever.gif" and leave it at that without the kinder, gentler height= and width= for graphics-enhanced browsers, let alone an alt= tag for Lynx, the preferred ADA-Compliant browser where I work. And it certainly wouldn't change the fact that Corporate-made GUI HTML spawners will screw up pretty bad -- anybody seen MS Publisher HTML? It converts the file to a
--
Kiez Kah-se'
Some Guy Out West
Posted by DaJoker:
Ok..maybe I _was_ reaching a bit here. Of course, I was more concerned with the point that this site seems to be a quick "let's get ourselved known on Slashdot" rather than actually providing any benefit to the linux newbie. I was a little quick to the punch, and was a bit obrasive in my commentary. For that I apologize to the creators of linuxnewbie.org, and to the faithful Slashdot readers.
Posted by OGL:
I can't seem to get through at all.
-W.W.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Use Distributed IPC (DIPC). Patch the kernel and change one line in your program and suddenly you are a Beowulf cluster.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Man, those Beowulf clusters are FAST. Just think what you could do with a Beowulf cluster of them...
Posted by stodge:
:P) has a regular job doesn't he? To pay the bills?
"1) Then OpenSource model works and (in most cases) it works well. OpenSource programmers will not starve."
The first part I dont have a problem with, but the second part I'm not sure about. That's quite a broad statement to make without justification. I'm not trying to drag anyone down on this, but I don't see how an "atypical" OSS programmer can make his money. For example, the guys who leads the Gnome project (sorry cant remember his name as I use KDE
I would appreciate it if someone could could explain this a little better to me. I program for a living,and I've never written OSS.
Posted by Hungry Joe:
We operate in a capitalist society. Capitalism relies heavily on the idea that there will be a limitless market as well as limitless resources, however in the field of computers, this first principle does not hold true. No matter how much we can try, you can only sell so many computers to the world, because really, not everyone needs a 500 Mhz machine at home. Demand is going to drop off for these machines, and in response producers are going to have to cut prices to sell them, and after a while they will have to cut production or lose money. That's the way a capitalist economy works, it always has, and no amount of price fixing is going to change that.
Posted by CompilerBoy:
The trick to free software is not making money on your software contribution, but making money in a more sideways fassion.
The free software gives the garage shop programmer a boost. They do not have to develope six man years of code to do the _quick_ neat thing they wanted to scew around with... They can go directly to it.
What does Compaq care what OS they distribute with their servers/desktops. They will ship whatever people are willing to pay for. If free software opens markets that were not previously available I am sure they will be overjoyed.
The same for Cygnus and Redhat. They support the free software movement by SELLING support. If you do not have the expertise inhouse to modify your free source Cygnus will contract it out to you. Redhat sells convience and some level of assurance that the code has at least been looked at once by a professional programmer before distribution.
If the software companies (M$) start getting scared that this is going to hurt their bottom line maybe they should find other places to make their billions. M$'s software has been getting more expensive and many of the features they have been adding to justify a new version have been more a pain than a help (like the paper clip...).
Posted by MurphAndTheMagicTones:
If I put a picture of my dog Spot on my personal web page without an audio file describing the picture, will this constitute a hate crime?
Posted by Josefine K.:
o urse_descriptions.html), heavily supported by the "Industrial Affiliates Program"?
Teaching my mother about Linux did a lot more than allow her to search for recipes faster...As a tenured electronics instructor, her opinions count about what courses are to be developed at her college. Living in the Seattle area, local junior and higher level colleges are clogged with M$-funded tripe coursework. Structured Programming with Visual Basic, Database Theory with Access, Networking programs that require three quarters MS-DOS but Unix is an elective...I won't go on. It's been a battle, but Mom has worked with other *nix-friendly instructors to offer students decent classes that go beyond the Novell Netware installation wizard. There's still a long way to go though...
Microsoft funding skews Seattle area training options-but what are the facts? What has everyone else found? I'd love to see more in-depth investigation. Seen on "Tasty bits from the Technology Front": _Microsoft leverages education grants_ (http://www.tbtf.com/archive/1999-02-15.html#s04)
All I know is, what I wouldn't do for a decent comp sci education! The HIT lab may be hot shit, but what about the UW's comp sci dept "Professional Masters Degree" with classes on "INTRODUCTION to to the principles of database management systems (http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/masters/c
Sure would love to see a slashdot article on the effects M$ funding and course offerings-I know this isn't only happening in Redmond.
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