hehe... the nice trailed off dates for Nixon's term in office (and life span). That was always fun to find in the history books in my old school's library.
of course the real reason Dell is doing this is to generate a list of small business customers that it can try to sell new equipment to. it would cost a lot more than $15K to generate such a list through other means.
Casting abilities?????? HAHHA.. what about young anakin in the phantom menace.. you call THAT good casting? the rumor i heard was that they called him manakin skywalker on the set.. he was a robot, a block of wood..
"Yer honor, some guy in Australia says HIS country sometimes spies on people. Therefore, please make Unca Sam give me $1,000,000,000." -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
In terms of promoting e-commerce.. I think the gov'ts should just concentrate on the issues of trust. Implementing Public Key Infrastructures that their constituents can use.
They are only interested in the communication channels that can be intercepted easily.
Ummm...yeah. That'd be real useful. While we're at it, why don't we arrest only those criminals that happen to wander into jail cells.
Assuming Echelon exists, big criminal/terrorist/whatever groups would know about it--and use unbreakable encryption. Which leaves only nobodies for Echelon to spy on.
Well, that particular Joe Blow had some reasons to know about this, given his position.
I didn't ask "how did he know", I asked "why was he allowed to reveal". If Echelon is so secret, they presumably want to keep it that way. So why not discredit, deport or even kill Joe (Whistle-)Blow?
Don't you love all these conspiracy theories?
No. I think falling for this kind of thing betrays a shaky grasp of technology, not to mention logic. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
There's no need to provide proof or even be rational. Just tell your victim to "wake up". Also mention how you "don't doubt" it's happening. I hearby dub this the "Fox Fallacy" named in honor of Fox Mulder.
The capabilities implied by these claims are orders of magnitude beyond any technology I've ever heard of, if not outright mathematically impossible.
The onus is on you to prove Echelon exists, not on me to prove it doesn't. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
There are nearly insurmountable problems in performing this kind of spying.
1) Collection: The various agencies involved would have to have their fingers in many many pies to cover all the ways people could communicate with each other. Phone lines (voice and data), banks, radio, cells, satellites, etc, etc, etc.
2) Bandwidth: All this data then has to be A) processed immediately and/or B) stored. Let's do some back of the envelope calculations for a second. 100 million computers (leaving aside phones, etc) connected at an average of 10 Mb/s (dialup vs T1--hey this is an envelope calc) is 1 billion Mb/s = 1 million Gb/s = 1000 Tb/s = 1 Eb/s.
3) Secrecy: They've been doing for 50 years without a hitch? When they'd obviously need an army of techs/programmers/spooks? Not to mention all the accomplices necessary (phone companies, computer/software makers, etc)?
Number 3 has some additional points: If this conspiracy is so vast, evil and secret, how come Joe Blow from Australia was allowed to blow the whistle?
I don't doubt there is SOME "domestic intelligence" going on, especially on the Internet. But every single message? No fscking way. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
IMHO, NEITHER movie is science fiction (and man, am I gonna get flamed for this). Let's see if I can explain this coherently...
First, Star Wars comes across as an 'epic in tech-fantastic drag' precisely because, if I recall the myriad intreviews with George Lucas correctly, that is precisely what it was written as. This does not, to me, seem to remove its speculative vision merely because the story was deliberately designed as mythology.
Both Star Trek and Star Wars suffer from unbelievable science, clunky dialogue, passable characterization and spotty continuity.
And, by the way, I fully expect to see PMenace at least twenty more times, and am genuinely distressed to have missed the final Deep Space Nine episode. Just because I don't think they're SF doesn't mean I dont like them.
star trek vs star wars on slashdot! Katz, what were you thinking of?
somebody's gonna get hurt here, man! sure, it's good to have movies like "roger and me" that appeal to the anthropologist in all of us -- and "trekkies" qualifies. it's good to laugh at ourselves....but sneaking in the review at the same time?
Ok, first of, I'll admit that there is a need to provide monitoring of Internet material for young children.
As a certifiable, card carrying member of the "I love smut club!", I am well aware of the amount of adult material out there on the net. I have no objections to such material as such ( being rather partial to it myself! ).
However, I do acknolege the need to provide some kind of monitoring system that will prevent young children from viewing such material.
The problem here though is one of censorship. In all cases to date, monitoring systems have eventually abused the poweres placed in them either as a result of personal bias or reaction from pressure groups ( such as fundementalist christians ).
While it is acceptable for the legislature to define minimum standards of behaviour on the Internet ( hey, you walk up to some babe and ask her for sex, you have to take the chanch that's she is going to slap you in the face. Just the way it is, ok...), what is important is that the public is directly involved in the descision making process.
In short, what I am suggesting to all of you is that rather than regard this is a threat to our freedom of speach, let us use this as an opportunity to send to our political representatives a clear and unambiguous message.
That while we are prepared to accept certain things in the name of basic decency, there is a limit to which we will accept the tyranny of the "moral minority".
To all Australian citizens who feel that they should become involved, check out
This bodes well for the entire computing community as well as M$. Now the WINE project and other initiatives like it can use a precedent which M$ helped to set in order to shield themselves from M$ threats of litigation over their work. If WINE uses NO M$ code, then it's clean. All bets are off. WINE, Samba, Dosemu, and the like are all now protected from MS, by M$.
I agree, Internet Explorer for Linux would be great. I hope that they port Outlook 98 as well, as Linux could use a decent e-mail program with integrated Calendar, Address Book, Journal, Tasks, and Notes that has the options of using a POP3 or Exchange Server or some other Mail Server.
Well..let me see....that will only mean to us loosing most of the American content from our 'pooters...*lol*
Nahhh really...
Us Australians are offensive as all hell, so what on earth could they possibly find that could offend us?
Perhaps the Relgious Right have landed in our sunburnt country.......they couldn't get a foot in the door of the White House.... so they are prolly having a go at The Lodge...
I hope my following remark does not negate my intellectual standing as I am sure it will come over a little 'stunted' but never-the-less: Are you on CRACK?! GODDAMN! No wonder you posted anonymously! What the heel are you thinking?! Please tell me this was a joke or I am have to cry due to the realistation that people such as yourself are not mere myths. This whole issue is ludicrous. I would appriciate more information on the specific body which created this 'law' and their political standings.
I can guarantee you that you can end up spending your life savings on it and make nothing off of it... I am one of the owners and creators of www.PlanetRadio.net and I have spent just about everything on it... Why do I do it? Because I love music and I love what I do!
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Posted by funk311:
hehe... the nice trailed off dates for Nixon's term in office (and life span). That was always fun to find in the history books in my old school's library.
Posted by gtv:
of course the real reason Dell is doing this is to generate a list of small business customers that it can try to sell new equipment to. it would cost a lot more than $15K to generate such a list through other means.
Posted by majestic1:
Casting abilities?????? HAHHA.. what about young anakin in the phantom menace.. you call THAT good casting? the rumor i heard was that they called him manakin skywalker on the set.. he was a robot, a block of wood..
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
"Yer honor, some guy in Australia says HIS country sometimes spies on people. Therefore, please make Unca Sam give me $1,000,000,000."
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by majestic1:
Next time you post, make sure to let yourself come off the drugs.
Posted by funk311:
Isn't Leo the ultimate source of evil in the universe anyway?
Posted by Statt:
In terms of promoting e-commerce.. I think the gov'ts should just concentrate on the issues of trust. Implementing Public Key Infrastructures that their constituents can use.
Posted by Amar Kinseth:
My vision of Darth Vader will be forever horribly tainted!
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
They are only interested in the communication channels that can be intercepted easily.
Ummm...yeah. That'd be real useful. While we're at it, why don't we arrest only those criminals that happen to wander into jail cells.
Assuming Echelon exists, big criminal/terrorist/whatever groups would know about it--and use unbreakable encryption. Which leaves only nobodies for Echelon to spy on.
Well, that particular Joe Blow had some reasons to know about this, given his position.
I didn't ask "how did he know", I asked "why was he allowed to reveal". If Echelon is so secret, they presumably want to keep it that way. So why not discredit, deport or even kill Joe (Whistle-)Blow?
Don't you love all these conspiracy theories?
No. I think falling for this kind of thing betrays a shaky grasp of technology, not to mention logic.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
There's no need to provide proof or even be rational. Just tell your victim to "wake up". Also mention how you "don't doubt" it's happening. I hearby dub this the "Fox Fallacy" named in honor of Fox Mulder.
The capabilities implied by these claims are orders of magnitude beyond any technology I've ever heard of, if not outright mathematically impossible.
The onus is on you to prove Echelon exists, not on me to prove it doesn't.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by jilllag:
The "midichlorians" represent a shift from a sort of generic seventies/eighties new-age-iness to the more nineties new-age-iness of "quantum" healing.
Lucas is tailoring the "Force" to a nineties new-age audience.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
There are nearly insurmountable problems in performing this kind of spying.
1) Collection: The various agencies involved would have to have their fingers in many many pies to cover all the ways people could communicate with each other. Phone lines (voice and data), banks, radio, cells, satellites, etc, etc, etc.
2) Bandwidth: All this data then has to be A) processed immediately and/or B) stored. Let's do some back of the envelope calculations for a second. 100 million computers (leaving aside phones, etc) connected at an average of 10 Mb/s (dialup vs T1--hey this is an envelope calc) is 1 billion Mb/s = 1 million Gb/s = 1000 Tb/s = 1 Eb/s.
3) Secrecy: They've been doing for 50 years without a hitch? When they'd obviously need an army of techs/programmers/spooks? Not to mention all the accomplices necessary (phone companies, computer/software makers, etc)?
Number 3 has some additional points: If this conspiracy is so vast, evil and secret, how come Joe Blow from Australia was allowed to blow the whistle?
I don't doubt there is SOME "domestic intelligence" going on, especially on the Internet. But every single message? No fscking way.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by generic kewl tech reference:
the same CIA that can't get a map of Belgrade less than five years old? The same CIA that was of negative worth in the Cold War?
This should be interesting....
Posted by Fleeno:
Am I the only person in existence that has a PolyMorphic System 8813?
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
>>Star Wars vs. Star Trek?
Both are good
>>vi vs. emacs?
Emacs.
>>sony vs. sega?
Sony.
>>apple vs. commodore?
Apple.
>>CDs vs. vinyl records?
CDs.
>>little endian vs big endian?
Bigger is better, but less is more.
>>c vs. c++?
C++.
>>gid0: root vs. wheel?
Tossup.
>>ty1 vs. console?
Console.
>>Ginger vs. Mary Ann?
Genie. Ginger was a tramp, and Mary Anne was a rube.
LK
Posted by generic kewl tech reference:
:)
I must respectfully disagree.
IMHO, NEITHER movie is science fiction (and man, am I gonna get flamed for this). Let's see if I can explain this coherently...
First, Star Wars comes across as an 'epic in tech-fantastic drag' precisely because, if I recall the myriad intreviews with George Lucas correctly, that is precisely what it was written as.
This does not, to me, seem to remove its speculative vision merely because the story was
deliberately designed as mythology.
Both Star Trek and Star Wars suffer from unbelievable science, clunky dialogue, passable characterization and spotty continuity.
And, by the way, I fully expect to see PMenace at least twenty more times, and am genuinely distressed to have missed the final Deep Space Nine episode. Just because I don't think they're SF doesn't mean I dont like them.
Now let the flames begin
Ecm
Posted by Jeremy Allison - Samba Team:
> in fact AT+T/Sun won a legal round with
> Microsoft a few months back allowing them
> access to the Windows 2000 source code.
No. That's incorrect. AT&T (and by proxy, Sun)
settled for cash and *no* access to source code.
I have some internal knowledge of this case.
Regards,
Jeremy Allison,
Samba Team.
star trek vs star wars on slashdot! Katz, what were you thinking of?
somebody's gonna get hurt here, man! sure, it's good to have movies like "roger and me" that appeal to the anthropologist in all of us -- and "trekkies" qualifies. it's good to laugh at ourselves....but sneaking in the review at the same time?
Posted by AnnoyingMouseCoward:
Ok, first of, I'll admit that there is a need to provide monitoring of Internet material for young children.
As a certifiable, card carrying member of the "I love smut club!", I am well aware of the amount of adult material out there on the net. I have no objections to such material as such ( being rather partial to it myself! ).
However, I do acknolege the need to provide some kind of monitoring system that will prevent young children from viewing such material.
The problem here though is one of censorship. In all cases to date, monitoring systems have eventually abused the poweres placed in them either as a result of personal bias or reaction from pressure groups ( such as fundementalist christians ).
While it is acceptable for the legislature to define minimum standards of behaviour on the Internet ( hey, you walk up to some babe and ask her for sex, you have to take the chanch that's she is going to slap you in the face. Just the way it is, ok...), what is important is that the public is directly involved in the descision making process.
In short, what I am suggesting to all of you is that rather than regard this is a threat to our freedom of speach, let us use this as an opportunity to send to our political representatives a clear and unambiguous message.
That while we are prepared to accept certain things in the name of basic decency, there is a limit to which we will accept the tyranny of the "moral minority".
To all Australian citizens who feel that they should become involved, check out
http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/
and see what you can do to effect the outcome.
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
This bodes well for the entire computing community as well as M$. Now the WINE project and other initiatives like it can use a precedent which M$ helped to set in order to shield themselves from M$ threats of litigation over their work. If WINE uses NO M$ code, then it's clean. All bets are off. WINE, Samba, Dosemu, and the like are all now protected from MS, by M$.
Thank you chairman bill.
LK
Posted by Cable4096:
I agree, Internet Explorer for Linux would be great. I hope that they port Outlook 98 as well, as Linux could use a decent e-mail program with integrated Calendar, Address Book, Journal, Tasks, and Notes that has the options of using a POP3 or Exchange Server or some other Mail Server.
Posted by VolVE:
I hope my following remark does not negate my intellectual standing as I am sure it will come over a little 'stunted' but never-the-less: Are you on CRACK?! GODDAMN! No wonder you posted anonymously! What the heel are you thinking?! Please tell me this was a joke or I am have to cry due to the realistation that people such as yourself are not mere myths. This whole issue is ludicrous. I would appriciate more information on the specific body which created this 'law' and their political standings.
Posted by Debarge:
What the hell is microsoft thinking everyone must boycot microsoft.
Posted by htmlgod_1:
I can guarantee you that you can end up spending your life savings on it and make nothing off of it... I am one of the owners and creators of www.PlanetRadio.net and I have spent just about everything on it... Why do I do it? Because I love music and I love what I do!
HTMLGoD.!
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