Thank you for the countless hours you put toward a project we all value. Your charisma and determination were an inspiration and helped to solidify my commitment to the project. Good luck in your new work. I hope that it is both challenging and rewarding. Just don't let it interfere too much with your "Mozilla time":) But seriously, thank you for all you've contributed, both in code and PR, good luck, and stay visible.
not so odd. mozilla will eventually make it into AOL's product. AOl is counting on that I'm sure. but when AOL's new version was released mozilla was not ready yet and AOL has a contract with MS to keep it on teh windows desktop. It would be stupid to break that contract until AOL has a working replacement. I believe that they will soon have that replacement.
Mozilla is not beta yet. It isn't even officially alpha yet. There are many bugs but there are also many solid features and many improvemnets to performance in the last couple months. Intel is not waiting...they are paying their software development staff to work on Mozilla full time. Intel is paying for the development of entire pieces of mozilla (disk cache is one piece I know of).
Ummm. AOL through Netscape is funding a significant portiion of Mozilla's current development team. AOL has it's own developers (not netscape) working on Mozilla. AOL will be adding it's products (AIM) to the Netscape branded version of Mozilla. I'd say that AOL supports Mozilla.
Mozilla will work with plug-ins. It already works with some now (flash seems to be working on some platforms and OJI is an architecture that allows mozilla to accept different versions of Java [a plug-in framework of sorts] I've heard that realaudio is working but havent verified that). I am confident that mozilla will be able to be made secure. Mozilla will not have crypto as part of its tree with the laws the way they are but Netscape's branded version of Mozilla will definitely have crypto and I'm sure Intel/Nokia will have it too with their versions of Mozilla.
Something like this would be really easy. I believe that someone already implimented it a few months ago but I don't think it made its way into the mozilla source because things were moving too quickly (I can't really remember). Here's all it takes. You can add any UI feature you want with XUL. XUL is a pretty simple language for building user interface. You build a button or whatever using XUL which is XML, CSS and javascript. If you look at the netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe or n.p.m.ui posts from a few months ago you might find the original discussion and patch that implimented this button. If not, go to www.mozilla.org/xpfe and take a look at the XUL docs. Those docs are prett good and can tell you what you need to know about adding this button.
If you're new to the nightly build and 'M' release program here are some tips.
Milestone releases are usually more stable than the nightly builds but suffer in that they are a bit dated.
The M12 milestone (coming out this morning) has seen only limited changes in the last week and a half. It should be pretty stable (I've been playing with the recent M12 cycle nightly builds a lot and they are more stable than netscape 4.x on my machine.)
And if you have not taken a look at the mail and news functionality because of performance problems in the past, now would be a good time. I've use mozilla news exclusively now and while it's a bit slower than 4.x it's quite usable.
If you're interested in the bleeding edge grab a nightly build labled as part of the new M13 development cycle. There have been quite a few really cool checkins in the last few days that will not be a part of the M12 release.
One final note: While many people report haveing to delete all old mozilla files before installing new ones, I've kept the same profile for the last two weeks while swapping in 8 new nightly builds without any problems (nice to keep all my bookmarks and news message read/unread status etc.)
Mozilla is kicking ass. Get a build (get a recent nightly) and give it a spin.
Asa (posted with an M13 dev cycle build from 12/20)
Re:Whatever happened to "fitting on a floppy"?
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the developer preview of gecko (the rendering engine that lies at the heart of mozilla) fit on a floppy. Since then the mozilla team has added a UI to the project, as well as OJI architecture, plugin architecture, mail and news code, etc. This project is still quite small comparatively speaking and will be fast and stable.
Asa
(posted with an M13 cycle nightly build from 12/29)
There isn't really any bulk to rip out. Take a look at it. As I said in a post above, there's not much you can rip out. Mail, News, Composer, AddressBook, Bookmarks, all those things are made out of the same stuff that the Browser is made of.
I'm definitely not an expert on this (for expert information check out http://www.mozilla.org docs or the netscape.public.mozilla news groups) but I'm pretty confident in my understanding XUL and teh general architecture of Mozilla. With that out of the way, here are some comments about some of the ideas posted concerning XUL, AOL, and "bloat".
Websites will not be able to modify your skin (not in mozilla's first release anyway)
Netscape/AOL can put whatever they want into their branded version of mozilla (Navigator/Communicator/whatevertheydecidetocallit )but mozilla will remain mozilla - simple and open.
Mail, News and Editor are not 'bloat'. They are small efficient apps built on top of the same code that Browser is built of. The code that could be pulled out that isn't required by (a part of) the Browser is very small. You could nuke a few.xul,.css and.js files but that's about it. Mail, News, and Editor are not seperate beasts. They do not add significantly to the weight of the code base. They simply organize and display functionality (that is already a necessary part of the browser) in a different way. When you launch Mail (or news or editor) in mozilla, think of it as launching another browser window because it's not much more than that. Anyone is free to put together a browser without a mail menu item and without a few XUL and javascript files but they won't be cutting out any "bloat".
I am all for modification and customization and look forward to the many versions of mozilla the browser or mozilla the communications suite that will soon be available.
If the hypothetical moons around these gas giants are the best extra-solar candidates we've got a shot at 'seeing' how do we do that. If the number of planets we find grows significantly in the next few years will we be able to start looking for variations between the planets, maybe in the 'wobble' of these planets that would suggest moons? Will we be able to get a feel for the size and composition of the moon using the same indirect method we used to find the planets?
You can build that browser you want, and you don't even need to know C or C++. All you need to know is some javascript and the rest is xml and css. You can go in and rip out the chrome that you dont like and replace it with something simpler. Check out http://www.mozilla.org/xpfe for details. XUL is the greatest.
I would check Bugzilla to see if some one's already working on it. If you don't see anything that looks like your bug then make a report. It would help the mozilla layout team if you could reduce the problem to a simple test case and attach that or an url to it.
FullCircle will launch when mozilla crashes (if it's working correctly) and will not send any data until you tell it to. I consider it safe. Please report any and all bugs to Bugzilla found at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ Many bugs will not crash mozilla and so not bring up FullCircle. I hope this post is somewhat helpful.
M10 is way old (pushed to ftp a month ago?). Development toward M12 has been going for nearly a week now (that's post-M11 development.) M11 is within minutes of being posted but was pretty much ready for Windows and Linux a few days ago (Mac required a few small fixes.) Look at the nightly builds, try something recent and then post more inacurate information for me to refute.
Mozilla starts with a simple architecture. It uses a light-weight, quick as lightning html rendering engine. Add xml support, javascript and their blossoming child XUL and you've got the beginnings of a great product. Add on to that a simple mail/news interface (btw, the browser does not rely on mail/news code, mail/news code is pretty lightweight and sits atop the browser)and you've got a very functional product. Add an open java interface so you can plug in the version you like and it's really starting to look sharp (but still simple). Read a little more before you judge mozilla. Not all modules are part of the default product and not all modules that are part of the product are as big as the name would suggest.
Looking to MicroSoft as an example, acquisition in this inflated industry is a good thing. RedHat has lot's of cash to blow and they need to blow it beofore it's gone or others outpace them. I think this particualr acquisition is probably a good move and I've yet to see any major RedHat moves that have damaged the community. I suspect that as a few other distros and support oriented companies gain mind and marketshare that they will have oportunities simalar to this. This is nothing but good for the movement and a sign of opensource's commercial viability.
First, tehschool should not punish students on behalf of another entity. The offended groups should sue the students if they think they can win. My advise for these students: take the 90 minute class and get some free webspace from Yahoo, Netcenter or GeoCities or whoever and post your mp3s there.
Just a note to give credit to mozillaZine for the forum from which these reviews come. Chris, Jason, and Steve have been and continue to do a wonderful job maintaining the #1 source of mozilla news and information.
Have _you_ ever looked at the code? mozilla dropped the classic code base almost entirely.
Re:Coppermine is a River
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Just a guess but I think it's named after the Coppermine River, a Northern Territories river that joins the Arctic Ocean at a town called Kugluktuk (formerly named Coppermine). This would fit with Intel's other river coenames like Merced and Willamette, etc. But that's just a guess.
The Athlon is testing at 900megahertz and 1000megahertz. AMD has boxed and ready to go large shipmets of 800megahertz Athlons. I'd say that any investment in an Athlon is a safe one. Just think, buy that Athlon 600 Monday when the 700 is released, get a great deal on a processor that outperforms a PIII650 and have a system that you can upgrade to 800 or 900 by the end of the year or early 2000.
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Thank you for the countless hours you put toward a project we all value. Your charisma and determination were an inspiration and helped to solidify my commitment to the project. Good luck in your new work. I hope that it is both challenging and rewarding. Just don't let it interfere too much with your "Mozilla time" :) But seriously, thank you for all you've contributed, both in code and PR, good luck, and stay visible.
Asa
(posted with 1/11/00 build of mozilla)
not so odd. mozilla will eventually make it into AOL's product. AOl is counting on that I'm sure. but when AOL's new version was released mozilla was not ready yet and AOL has a contract with MS to keep it on teh windows desktop. It would be stupid to break that contract until AOL has a working replacement. I believe that they will soon have that replacement.
Asa
(posted with a Y2K build of Mozilla)
Mozilla is not beta yet. It isn't even officially alpha yet. There are many bugs but there are also many solid features and many improvemnets to performance in the last couple months. Intel is not waiting...they are paying their software development staff to work on Mozilla full time. Intel is paying for the development of entire pieces of mozilla (disk cache is one piece I know of).
Asa
(posted with a Y2K build of Mozilla)
Ummm. AOL through Netscape is funding a significant portiion of Mozilla's current development team. AOL has it's own developers (not netscape) working on Mozilla. AOL will be adding it's products (AIM) to the Netscape branded version of Mozilla. I'd say that AOL supports Mozilla.
Asa
(posted with a Y2K build of Mozilla)
Branded versions of mozilla will have crypto.
Mozilla will work with plug-ins. It already works with some now (flash seems to be working on some platforms and OJI is an architecture that allows mozilla to accept different versions of Java [a plug-in framework of sorts] I've heard that realaudio is working but havent verified that). I am confident that mozilla will be able to be made secure. Mozilla will not have crypto as part of its tree with the laws the way they are but Netscape's branded version of Mozilla will definitely have crypto and I'm sure Intel/Nokia will have it too with their versions of Mozilla.
Asa
(posted with a Y2K build of Mozilla)
Something like this would be really easy. I believe that someone already implimented it a few months ago but I don't think it made its way into the mozilla source because things were moving too quickly (I can't really remember). Here's all it takes. You can add any UI feature you want with XUL. XUL is a pretty simple language for building user interface. You build a button or whatever using XUL which is XML, CSS and javascript. If you look at the netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe or n.p.m.ui posts from a few months ago you might find the original discussion and patch that implimented this button. If not, go to www.mozilla.org/xpfe and take a look at the XUL docs. Those docs are prett good and can tell you what you need to know about adding this button.
If you're new to the nightly build and 'M' release program here are some tips.
Milestone releases are usually more stable than the nightly builds but suffer in that they are a bit dated.
The M12 milestone (coming out this morning) has seen only limited changes in the last week and a half. It should be pretty stable (I've been playing with the recent M12 cycle nightly builds a lot and they are more stable than netscape 4.x on my machine.)
And if you have not taken a look at the mail and news functionality because of performance problems in the past, now would be a good time. I've use mozilla news exclusively now and while it's a bit slower than 4.x it's quite usable.
If you're interested in the bleeding edge grab a nightly build labled as part of the new M13 development cycle. There have been quite a few really cool checkins in the last few days that will not be a part of the M12 release.
One final note: While many people report haveing to delete all old mozilla files before installing new ones, I've kept the same profile for the last two weeks while swapping in 8 new nightly builds without any problems (nice to keep all my bookmarks and news message read/unread status etc.)
Mozilla is kicking ass. Get a build (get a recent nightly) and give it a spin.
Asa
(posted with an M13 dev cycle build from 12/20)
the developer preview of gecko (the rendering engine that lies at the heart of mozilla) fit on a floppy. Since then the mozilla team has added a UI to the project, as well as OJI architecture, plugin architecture, mail and news code, etc. This project is still quite small comparatively speaking and will be fast and stable.
Asa
(posted with an M13 cycle nightly build from 12/29)
There isn't really any bulk to rip out. Take a look at it. As I said in a post above, there's not much you can rip out. Mail, News, Composer, AddressBook, Bookmarks, all those things are made out of the same stuff that the Browser is made of.
I'm definitely not an expert on this (for expert information check out http://www.mozilla.org docs or the netscape.public.mozilla news groups) but I'm pretty confident in my understanding XUL and teh general architecture of Mozilla. With that out of the way, here are some comments about some of the ideas posted concerning XUL, AOL, and "bloat".
t )but mozilla will remain mozilla - simple and open.
.xul, .css and .js files but that's about it. Mail, News, and Editor are not seperate beasts. They do not add significantly to the weight of the code base. They simply organize and display functionality (that is already a necessary part of the browser) in a different way. When you launch Mail (or news or editor) in mozilla, think of it as launching another browser window because it's not much more than that. Anyone is free to put together a browser without a mail menu item and without a few XUL and javascript files but they won't be cutting out any "bloat".
Websites will not be able to modify your skin (not in mozilla's first release anyway)
Netscape/AOL can put whatever they want into their branded version of mozilla (Navigator/Communicator/whatevertheydecidetocalli
Mail, News and Editor are not 'bloat'. They are small efficient apps built on top of the same code that Browser is built of. The code that could be pulled out that isn't required by (a part of) the Browser is very small. You could nuke a few
I am all for modification and customization and look forward to the many versions of mozilla the browser or mozilla the communications suite that will soon be available.
Asa
If the hypothetical moons around these gas giants are the best extra-solar candidates we've got a shot at 'seeing' how do we do that. If the number of planets we find grows significantly in the next few years will we be able to start looking for variations between the planets, maybe in the 'wobble' of these planets that would suggest moons? Will we be able to get a feel for the size and composition of the moon using the same indirect method we used to find the planets?
http://puck.informatik.med.uni-giessen.de/download /mozilla-sparc-sun-solaris2.7-M11.tar.gz
Check out mozillazine.org to keep up on the latest mozilla news.
You can build that browser you want, and you don't even need to know C or C++. All you need to know is some javascript and the rest is xml and css. You can go in and rip out the chrome that you dont like and replace it with something simpler. Check out http://www.mozilla.org/xpfe for details. XUL is the greatest.
I would check Bugzilla to see if some one's already working on it. If you don't see anything that looks like your bug then make a report. It would help the mozilla layout team if you could reduce the problem to a simple test case and attach that or an url to it.
FullCircle will launch when mozilla crashes (if it's working correctly) and will not send any data until you tell it to. I consider it safe. Please report any and all bugs to Bugzilla found at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ Many bugs will not crash mozilla and so not bring up FullCircle. I hope this post is somewhat helpful.
M10 is way old (pushed to ftp a month ago?). Development toward M12 has been going for nearly a week now (that's post-M11 development.) M11 is within minutes of being posted but was pretty much ready for Windows and Linux a few days ago (Mac required a few small fixes.) Look at the nightly builds, try something recent and then post more inacurate information for me to refute.
Well said. :)
Mozilla starts with a simple architecture. It uses a light-weight, quick as lightning html rendering engine. Add xml support, javascript and their blossoming child XUL and you've got the beginnings of a great product. Add on to that a simple mail/news interface (btw, the browser does not rely on mail/news code, mail/news code is pretty lightweight and sits atop the browser)and you've got a very functional product. Add an open java interface so you can plug in the version you like and it's really starting to look sharp (but still simple). Read a little more before you judge mozilla. Not all modules are part of the default product and not all modules that are part of the product are as big as the name would suggest.
Looking to MicroSoft as an example, acquisition in this inflated industry is a good thing. RedHat has lot's of cash to blow and they need to blow it beofore it's gone or others outpace them. I think this particualr acquisition is probably a good move and I've yet to see any major RedHat moves that have damaged the community. I suspect that as a few other distros and support oriented companies gain mind and marketshare that they will have oportunities simalar to this. This is nothing but good for the movement and a sign of opensource's commercial viability.
First, tehschool should not punish students on behalf of another entity. The offended groups should sue the students if they think they can win. My advise for these students: take the 90 minute class and get some free webspace from Yahoo, Netcenter or GeoCities or whoever and post your mp3s there.
this functionality is already in the code.
Just a note to give credit to mozillaZine for the forum from which these reviews come. Chris, Jason, and Steve have been and continue to do a wonderful job maintaining the #1 source of mozilla news and information.
Have _you_ ever looked at the code? mozilla dropped the classic code base almost entirely.
Just a guess but I think it's named after the Coppermine River, a Northern Territories river that joins the Arctic Ocean at a town called Kugluktuk (formerly named Coppermine). This would fit with Intel's other river coenames like Merced and Willamette, etc. But that's just a guess.
The Athlon is testing at 900megahertz and 1000megahertz. AMD has boxed and ready to go large shipmets of 800megahertz Athlons. I'd say that any investment in an Athlon is a safe one. Just think, buy that Athlon 600 Monday when the 700 is released, get a great deal on a processor that outperforms a PIII650 and have a system that you can upgrade to 800 or 900 by the end of the year or early 2000.