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New Mozilla, Corel, and Napster Releases
Everybody and his sister seems to have submitted at least one of these links: First, Mozilla build M11 is out. Go for it! Check this Mozilla.org page for details. Second, there's a Linux port out for Napster. We already mentioned it earlier here, but apparently a lot of people missed the reference. Go get it already. And third, Corel Linux is now available - if you can handle a 311 MB. If you can't burn a CD, compile your kernel with loopback support and try 'mount -t iso9660 -o loop 6.1-i386.iso /mnt/cdrom'
Has anybody tried the new Corel Linux suite? I'm interested whether it installs nicely, and what you opinion is about the specific programs Corel created, such as that new filemanager.
Need CDR? Nah just mount it on the loopback device surely
I was impressed with M10, and if M11 shows as much improvement as did previous milestones, I reckon I've found a new permanent browser.
Yeah, it crashes. It's still buggy. But if I'm going to use software that crashes all the time, I reckon I might as well do so while serving the public.
Is this another anti-netscape post? I prefer to think of it as a pro-mozilla post.
It's looking very very good.
Before you start downloading, consider your libraries: everyone with glibc older than 2.1 (or libc5!) is shut out for the moment, due to a bug in the libraries. BWAAAHAAAA! I wanna Mozilla, too!
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
--Henry Kissinger
...for following the other distributors' example and putting a free (this time free as in free beer) version of their Linux distribution online for download. I'll try it out as soon as I see a mirror within the German universities' backbone.
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You do not need the CD-R if you are already running Linux. Use the o loop command. One of you techies can post the proper syntax. It was on a previous discussion. Intial comments is that it is not bad but can use improvement. For a version 1.0 I guess it is ok. Dont complain about what they left out as you can use 'update - aks Corel package manager' to download everything else you need. Cheers
Today's vices may be tomorrow's virtues.
Each mozilla release is more painful than the last. What I mean is that each one gets that much closer to being usable for my everyday browsing and e-mail/news needs. So close, I can almost taste it.
pooptruck
Is this ISO file a sort of "copy protection" scheme (yes I know it's legal to copy, but they can still try to get in your way) to make it more attractive to buy the CD? If so, is this legal with the GPL? I don't want to scream "foul play" but it looks fishy...
-- The Sheep --
Is this new mozilla release in response to the slashdot article on linux browser wars? Of course.. It eplains everything about slashdot and their affiliations with Mozilla... 8-)
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mount newCDimage /mnt -t iso9660 -o loop
Works on *my* linux box. :)
Could some one give me a http mirror for Win32 mozilla? My firewall doesn't allow ftp.
Thanks
Myddrin
A link i have found useful is this one.n t/winimage.htm
It is very helpful to be able to opne that iso under win32.
Winimage is one way to do that.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvolla
Then you can extract all the files out and being an alternative install. Not that i know that you can do an ftp install for Corel Linux.
Does ne1 have a link or 2 to the reviews of Corel Linux?
- On Linux systems that use glibc 2.0 (such as RedHat 5.2), there are problems with dl functions (dlopen(), dlsym()) not being thread safe. This might cause your M11 build to randomly crash at startup. If this happens to you, try running the application a few more times. The bits posted on ftp.mozilla.org are built on RedHat 6.0, which uses glibc 2.1 and does not have this problem. For more details, see bug 8849.
Which sounds to me like it might work. I'm trying it out anywayI'm a Netscape user (Linux) and am interested in Mozilla. I'm just baffled by one thing --
What the heck is a Profile?
Are profiles user-specific? Non user-specific? A species of rare tropical bird? All sorts of stuff says "thus and such profile bug/feature exists" but none seems to say, "hey, you moron, a profile is an endangered species of fungus native to northern Tasmania" (or whatever a profile is).
Moron as always,
--G
Uh, no.. It's the M11 release which was planned a year ago.
This Napster thing looks kinda neat, but I would be a bit worried about giving the world access to my disk. The site is a bit sketchy on the details.
JM
Oink, Oink!!
This looks worrying. Of course, folks have already posted about local loopback devices for avoiding having to burn a CD, but what worries me is the end-user license agreement.
In particular, note these extracts:
1. Corel LINUX is a modular operating system made up of individual software components that were created by various individuals and entities ("Software Programs"). Many of the Software Programs included in Corel LINUX are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License ("GPL") and other similar license agreements which permit You to copy, modify and redistribute the Software Programs
So that's the definition of a "Software Program". Now what about:
B. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS:
All right, title and interest in the Software Programs, including source code, documentation, appearance, structure and organization, are held by Corel Corporation, Corel Corporation Limited, and others and are protected by copyright and other laws.
Is that actually in keeping with the GPL?
On a totally separate thread, does anyone know what the equivalent mechanism to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is going to be, in particular, how the currently-in-development distribution is going to be mirrored, etc? Or is it all going to be relatively "stuck" stationary like RedHat / SuSE etc? (I mean, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 is very discrete. The above apt command isn't as discrete at all.)
~Tim
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Rushing on down to the circle of the turn
However, it's still heavy in the bloat department like it's predecessor :\ I don't wanta mail reader in my web browser, or a web page editor, or anything else but a web browser. If the source is open enough, perhaps those "features" can be excised and save me precious hard drive space and RAM.
Just my first impressions..being posted from Mozilla itself.
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
You don't need to be a developer to make a contribution to the Mozilla project! You can see the list of bugs most voted for her e. If you want to help the developers know which bugs you most want fixed, choose a bug or two from this list or another Bugzilla list and go vote for it!
M11, can we say cool. It still has a few minor glitches, but damn, I can't wait for this final to be released.
One of the best features of Linux is the ablility to mount a ISO file as a file system using the loopback device kenel option. An example would be mount /tmp/file.iso /mnt/mount_dir -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop3,blocksize=1024 This would allow you to access the iso file before burning it and realizing there was an error in the file. This happened to me once. I downloaded a 600 MB ISO file over my cable modem and burned a CD. I realized the file was currupt after 2 CDs the next day my friend told me about this little trick
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
If you just want to burn the iso, but don't want to learn the command line stuff, check out BurnISO
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http://moses.penguinpowered.com/projects/burnis
You need Perl and Perl/Tk as well as the appropriate CDR software. I have documentation on how to set up the kernel and everything!
I'm using it right now, and i'm not sure I want to go back ! It automatically started using all my plugins from 4.05, found all my bookmars, is blindingly fast, has the password remembring feature and more ! I can't wait until the official releases come out ! Now I'm going to do the CSS testing and Acid Box :)
Wintel machines (I'm not sure about Macs) can set up "user profiles" so multiple users of the machine can have their own settings without installing a new copy of netscape. Each profile has independent user preferences (all of them) and bookmarks.
Netscape also has a feature called "roaming profiles" that allows user settings to be kept in sync on an LDAP server or on a web server. I personally use the roaming profiles with my linux boxes at home and the wintel/linux machines at work. It's damned handy.
A quick search at developer.netscape.com outghtta turn up something more descriptive...
1. YOU CERTIFY THAT YOU ARE NOT A MINOR AND THAT YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ALL OF THE
:). Dare to keep kids off Linux.
TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET OUT IN THE LICENSE BELOW. DOWNLOADING AND/OR USING THE
PRODUCT WILL BE AN IRREVOCABLE ACCEPTANCE OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE
LICENSE.
Guess we gotta keep those kiddies away from Linux, it's worse than crack
-matt
Has this happened to anyone else? I'm running on win32 (blah) and as I open the browser it crashes. I've deleted the mozreg file and the Users50 directory. I've tried importing my old profile in and alternatively running the wizard and creating one on the command line. Nadda.
The page draws itself up and then Dr Watson pops up.
viewer.exe runs perfectly.
email: 3->e
"DNA is God's contribution to the Open Source movement"
I installed corel linux from the iso yesterday evening (european time).
The installation is quite good. It automatically detected all my hardware (ok I've got a simple machine : voodoo banshee, ne2000 pci clone ide hd). Then the graphical installer asked me for a user login name, good point. After that I had to choose between some premade configurations, like destop/server/custom). I choosed custom. With this option I had the possibility to choose to install any package of the distribution. I choosed almost all of them and went to the next step.
Now I had to choose on what partition I wanted to install, an ext2 one or a windows/dos partion. Good choice for beginners. Of course I installed on an ext2 one. The graphical fdisk is good and easy to use, but it seemed a little buggy for the free space calculation (eg it said 125 meg free but I could only create a 110 meg swap partition).
After that is the rather long and boring package installation. No problem with it except the mouse cursor was rather slow and jumpy during this process , not good for a first timer thinking linux is a true multitasking os (I know it is, it must be because the installation is using the framebuffer I think).
Then I was asked to reboot, no question asked about the boot loader or anything else, bad point here.
After the reboot, quite a shock, the OS loader is not LILO but a rather nice graphical (320x200) menu with an animated disk on the lower right corner. I can choose between corel linux and some expert/safe mode. I can also choose windows and dos. This is good for non linux users, but I have 4 different linux installs at home for testing and of course none were found so I had to reinstall lilo (I'm pretty sure I could have changed the configuration of the boot manager but I had no time for it).
The first time I choosed corel linux, and this was quite a shock : No boot messages ! The OS loader stays "on top" of the text and I did not find the way to get rid of it (of course choosing expert mode won't show this screen). This is very windowish and a rather bad point for any serious linux user. A rather strange thing is that the first time it booted, it fscked the partition so it took a loooong time and I had no idea what was happening (the loader writes some text like loading linux/check partitions and so on).
then kdm was launched. A rather standard kdm, ala NT. I was able to choose between root and the user I had created. I logged in as a normal user to get on a almost standard KDE screen, with some new icons.
There are of course some great novelties, like the file manager, windows share browsers and other great program but everything looks so muck like windows that it made me want to puke. I know KDE is really windows like, but with the corel extensions they took this idea to the extreme. You can even share a directoy by clicking on properties in the context menu, exactly like NT !
Of course it's rather impressive and nice for a former windows user but I think some originality would have been a good idea.
Here is the worst point : I did not find a way to configure my french keyboard "globally" for the console and X. The only way I found was to choose an international keyboard for each user I created. Really bad point here corel.
One other thing to note is that there is no translation in the things corel added to kde so it's one other bad point. It's really strange to get windows half in franch half in english. They should have killed all other langages so no one would have complained.
So even if corel did an incredible job developping some excellent tools and programs, I think the distribution is way too windows like and not for non english people. Too bad, hopefully this will be corrected in 1.1 !
In conclusion if you are already a linux user, this is not for you. But for a windows user this may be a good way to start using linux.
Btw a friend of mine was not even able to start the installation, it simply rebooted at the hardware check.
J-F Mammet
webmaster@softgallery.com
that beta has been out for awhile now... my only complaint about it: it isn't opensource
As long as the author of it does not use the original napster protocal client code, it is perfectly legal to produce, and make the code open. Not doing so is merely an excuse to attempt to hinder competition.
Napster for windows is -incredibly- bug ridden, and the linux one isn't much better. The author not making it opensource just makes no sense, if he doesn't make it opensource, someone else will make a client and will, and guess which one will develop FAR faster and be more popular? And guess who attempted to hinder competition and shot themselves in the foot.
It's an ok start, but it will soon be passed by another client if it isn't made opensource.
Why don't you look at the ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly
And you will see that they work on a release till they get all the features they want in it. Start working on the next release, continue to fix bugs on the previous till they reach a point where they think they have all the new features fairly stable. Then they release it.
I've skimmed through the FAQ and release notes, but I can't find much info on Full Circle that is compiled into Mozilla. The release pages says "Full Circle Enabled builds allow transmission of crash data back to Netscape, improved crash analysis, and posting of crash related information to the netscape.public.mozilla.crash-data news group".
That is pretty cool, but is it safe? Also, does that mean when I find a bug, I don't need to report it? It is reported automatically?
Anyone have any more info, or pointers to info?
This sig is false.
Let's see...
Napster takes a list of MP3 files on my hard drive, uploads the list to a server, and sets other users out downloading those files, and it's a must have.
Real networks takes a list of music-specific data files on my hard drive, and uploads the list to a server, along with some other access data, and they're a villain.
And the only difference between them is (a) Slashdot's word that I should download Napster, and (b) some legaleze in the license or usage agreements.
-- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
ftp://128.253.254.56/corellinux-oc_1.0.iso
SlashMirror: Where to put files for fellow /.'ers
SlashMirror: Where to put files for fellow /.'ers
Check out Corel's stock price at yahoo. Up around 10% or so.
Yippee!
LL
"If you are falling, dive." -Joseph Campbell
What kind of configuration is needed to run Mozilla well? I've tried the last couple of milestones, including M11, but they are so slow on my Pentium 266. M11 is slower than Netscape 4.61 and much slower than IE4 on the same hardware. There's a 3-5 second delay on displaying menus and it seems like everything I do generates a delayed response. Are there any optimizations/configurations that can be tweaked? (Actually tweaked is probably an inadequate word, about a factor of ten speed increase is needed)
No program should be able to transmit anything off my computer without my permission.
I have looked at what Napster does and decided I don't want to participate in that. No harm, no foul. If someone else understands what is going on and wants to participate, then that's their decision.
I didn't think RealPlayer/Jukebox transmitted anything off my computer so I installed them. But now that I know they do, I deleted them off my computer and hope Real gets destroyed by a class action lawsuit for invading my privacy, trespassing, and hacking.
I should be able to decide what happens on my computer. Napster gave me that choice. Real didn't.
Also Napster only uploads info about MP3s in a specified directory tree so you can limit what info goes out. Real transmitted info about EVERY song you played, ripped, etc.
Before I start Mozilla, can anyone tell me where do I configure the web proxy? And, which would be cool, does it support automatic proxy configuratio?
It might be an idea to make a 'user' build. The last time I tried running moz, under windoze I might add, the biggest cause of lag was the debug messages being sent to the console. Wouldn't it be an idea to do a build with these disabled so that the current 'real-world-user' view of performance can be looked at? (This would also go a way to stopping all those (it's SLOW) trolls :-)
John
John_Chalisque
(insert "html shouldn't be used for layout/design" comment here)
I've got a fair amount of tables on my page; I've recently been checking to see how Mozilla renders it.. somewhat akin to the acid test page.
Now, the page itself is pretty much 4.0 compliant, albeit somewhat complex; the W3 validator bitches about ampersands in CGI URIs, so there's nothing I can do about that. In any case...
In MSIE and NS current versions, the page looks pretty much like I'd expect it to. There are minor variations, nothing of great concern.
Now, in M10, The grey box in the middle was shrunken, sorta pushed over to the left a little bit. OK, not exactly what I wanted, but not horrid. In M11, however, the grey box gets shoved waaay over to the right, running into other tables.
Thus, on first glance, it appears that something, in one of the milestones, is wrong. I understand that my page might not be really simple, that's an aside, and I will deal with it later. My concern is that the two milestones rendered the page differently. For the longest time, I've heard that Mozilla is (as in, yes, currently, right now) fully 4.0/CSS1/whatever else compliant. However, such observations have me wondering otherwise....? Could someone clarify?
See http://linux.corel.com/products/linux_os/licensing .htm for more detailed licensing.
It looks like the Corel additions are all under the "Corel Public License" or "CPL", which is exactly the same the the Mozilla license with Corel replacing references to Mozilla and Netscape.
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
I would check Bugzilla to see if some one's already working on it. If you don't see anything that looks like your bug then make a report. It would help the mozilla layout team if you could reduce the problem to a simple test case and attach that or an url to it.
why doesn't someone who has more time than I do try to break in to a computer running it.. Like, say.. Your own. (It runs on port 6699..)
I played with it for one second and got this.
# telnet 127.0.0.1 6699
1
Press all the keys I tried, and after one keystroke, it says INVALID REQUEST. Don't press anything for 10-15 seconds, it drops the onnection.
It shouldn't be too hard to figure out what keystroke is not invalid.
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Mozilla is making slow but steady improvement, which is exactly is to be expected. I am using M11 right now, but I am at school so it is nt (i perfer linux but don't we all). Mozilla is able to render one more of the problem pages now (cnn) but still not zdnet. Oh well improvement is the name of the game.
I've been trying to install linux on my new athlon but i can't find a distribution with the MTRR fix.
Will it be possible to install Corel WP Suite on another distribution? For instance, could we use it on RedHat or Suse?
The concepts behind Napster is almost identical to a #MP3 irc channel full of bots allowing dcc of each user's mp3 library. What Napster has done different is switch the method to a prioritary closed protocol and put a prittier interface in front of it all. And despite what capncook thinks, tracking down copyright violations should be easier than tracking down on IRC. If your goal is to put fear into the RIAA then discuss a privacy protocol such as ZeroKnowledge Systems instead of a protocol which consolidates violation information and makes it available to anyone.
Nice review thanks for posting it.
I also checked out some of the screenshots from the article that is linked in this story, and they seem extremely windowish. Right down to the file manager, whose toplevel entry is "My Linux" (apparently a modification of "My Computer" in windows)
I can understand their desire to appeal to a certain segment of the market, and I think that they're doing just that. But I don't think I'd use it personally because of that. I didn't stop using windows just because I didn't think it was a stable OS (although that was one of the reasons) I stopped using it also because I thought the UI was boring and unimaginative. Look at X, and linux, and you have 2.0E50 choices for how you want to interact graphically with your machine. I would hate to go back to the same old UI after going through the linux learning curve.
Points to them though for making the install easier, and for making linux friendly to new people. I just hope that they don't make it so windowish over time that it loses its soul as a UNIX. That kind of worry is probably premature at this point, but I still wonder.
Seems to me though that another free software distribution stepping to the plate though means one thing - more choice. That's another reason why I'm in linux in the first place too. (Even if I don't plan on using it, I still like the fact that the choice is there)
-- Truth goes out the door when rumor comes innuendo. -- Groucho Marx
I was so excited to give this distro a try, but what a nightmare it turned into. I ran the install an choose to install on a empty partition. Corel said that it would automatically take care of partition space for the root and swap. The install
went fine, I rebooted and the sys hung. Thinking that the active partition might not have been set, I went to fdisk and to my surprise I found 2 active partitions on my hard drive (weird). I set it to Corel's partition and rebooted. I was going to nowheres' vill fast. The sys hung once again. I got fed up deleted the partitions and decided to reload redhat on my sys. When I got to disk druid it would not allow me to create any partitions. It said that I did not have enough space, even though it was reporting 2Gigs free (weird). Thinking that there must be an invisible partition hogging the space I booted up the old PQ-Magic and to my stunning surprise I was informed that I had an invalid partition table. Oh goody, time to wip out the old norton diskedit. I thought Corel was supposed to be an easy install. I don't know about you but I think I'll stick to my old distro.
DAN
You can build that browser you want, and you don't even need to know C or C++. All you need to know is some javascript and the rest is xml and css. You can go in and rip out the chrome that you dont like and replace it with something simpler. Check out http://www.mozilla.org/xpfe for details. XUL is the greatest.
Runs blisteringly quick on a PII 233Mhz laptop.
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Also appears quite stable.
But then I'm running Linux. I assume from your ``IE4 on the same hardware'' comment that you're running under Windows. But then everything runs like a dog under Windows
Chris Wareham
It's quite a dilemna; if they include components that have licensing agreements that require some degree of consent on the part of the user, they require an "adult's" consent.
It is particularly a problem for software that requires something like unto the "dastardly" MSFT EULA; it is less of an issue with Free Software, but even there, there is some need to be able to enforce the terms of GPL, XFree86 License, and other such licenses, and that can certainly be problematic for the young'uns.
A more pointed question, that isn't directly relevant to this particular situation:
The fact that we might like the answer to be yes does not necessarily make it so...
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
I have had problems with netscape not rendering my tables properly with img's as backgrounds to individual cells. Unill we can implement the code properly we will continue to loose the browser war.
Your comment was very informative and insightful, although I must disagree with you on the major point:
:)
Corel has definitely done the right thing by making the interface very windows-ish. Corel Linux was targeted for the Windows user, so why shouldn't they make the interface as similar as possible? Many people disagree with me, but personally I like the Windows GUI. I wish my KDE desktop was more like NT. Why do I use linux then? Because I like the networking features, the stability, and I'm an aspiring network programmer who wants to learn on a Unix-like system
I probally won't use the Corel distro, but I'm excited to see such progress on the desktop. I think this goes to show how adaptable Linux really is, that it can be used in anything from embedded systems to medium end servers to the regular users desktop...what else could one ask for?
I'm running it on Linux (P133, 64Mb) and it's also dog slow compared to Netscape. Removing debugging might speed it up a bit, but there are a fair few speed related bugs in bugzilla now so I don't think that's really the issue.
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
This is being posted from the build corresponding to the subject line. I had problems setting the proxy settings to get out of our WAN but I found the solution linked to the release notes in their bug listings posted very recently - the process works! I am going to use M11 as much possible from now on and may switch from Netscape if it only crashes, say, twice as much ;^) Chris Morgan
p.s. compiling the whole thing is a beast...
I'm trying it out with NT (I'm at work)
/STYLE
m =20;)
and it still doesn't work with our proxy (admittedly it might all be with our proxy).
Also it still doesn't work at all with
javascript/CSS.
I have a very simple test page with a few DIV's and a mouseover/mouseout which displays/hides the hidden parts. The basic structure is:
STYLE TYPE="text/css"
#corporate {
position: absolute;
visibility: show;
top: 290;
left: 200;
width: 450;
height: 135;
clip: rect(0,150,20,0);
z-index: 1
}
onmouseover
(window.document.layers['corporate'].clip.botto
this is all missing the brackets around the tags and other stuff.
This works perfectly in Netscape, but all I get in any Mozilla is a bunch of overlapping text.
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Is it possible to take the source to a recent milestone (or even daily build) and compile it against glibc2.0? I'd love to try mozilla out, as it's been a while, but am only running glibc2.0, not 2.1, for the time being.
Thanks,
Chris
I have already written a GNOME Napster client, without any help from the author of Napster. The downloading interface is a bit sketchy right now (GtkClist can't pack widgets, even though the docs say they can!@#), but it works, kinda.
There are two issues:
1) If my client doesn't display ads, then Napster, Inc doesn't get any money, which will eventually make the server go down. If I release the source, it would be trivial for someone to "remove" the ads code. There is also the issue of "free software" when it has ADVERTISEMENTS in it.
2) If I release the source, everyone will know the Napster protocol, opening lots of security holes.
Can anyone propose a solution to these problems?
Evan
http://students.washington.edu/eeyem
Since I've been hearing all about this, and figure it can't be too bad, I wanted to help out with the Mozilla effort.
However, Mozilla doesn't run AT ALL on solaris currently, and there appears to be multiple nasty bugs keeping that from happening, even if I build it from source. (at least some are understood fairly well)
Therefore, I'll stick with Netscape, but all that's keeping me from beating on Mozilla is the fact that it is not available for my platform. UG!
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I tried installing it on my friends computer and all I have to say is WoW!!! It preconfigured pretty much everything except for sound and the printer. Other than that it was able to set up my friends computer to work on our college residence network on the internet, detect an NFS on my computer, and properly detect my friends video card. The filemanger is really nice too, I can't wait till the KDE team brings all the changes to the main KDE distro. The only real problems with the install was the fact that it stayed at 98% for several minutes, mind you it wasn't hung, but it was still installing programs.
Other than that I would recommend Corel Linux to anybody, especially newbies who want to try Linux for the very first time...
Thanks to all the Mozilla Coders (may your numbers increase)!
Go for it, I say.
- A.P.
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"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
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What I want to know is this:
Did Corel GPL there *enhansements* to kde and Linux in general? Or did they simply take what they wanted, and made binary only add ons only to be used with their Linux distro.
The new Mozilla M11 is great, i cant wait for the beta but still doenst render DHTML correctly. All the code of it was done on Dreamweaver 2.0 and in Netscape 4.x and IE 4 and 5 ive got no problems at all. The cubes should be dragable and are not, if you want check: www.terravista.pt/ancora/1255/cubes.htm
http://puck.informatik.med.uni-giessen.de/download /mozilla-sparc-sun-solaris2.7-M11.tar.gz
Check out mozillazine.org to keep up on the latest mozilla news.
I've been working on a napster client for the last little bit. I've got the very basics going.. as in log in and do a search. The next step is the ftp protocol to transfer the files.
Anyway my point is...Does anyone care? If so I'll release it. The reason is the current client is fine and all, but its not OS. And the protocol being quite simplistic there is no reason not to get a project going.
Unfortunately my only limiting factor is time.
so email me if your insterested dave@lb.gulliver.nb.caNOSPAM -NOSPAM
Is "cdrecord -v speed= dev=x,x,x " so hard?
Does anyone know how close the project is to becomin a usable browser? All these media attention that claim netscape is dead seems like they're trying to force netscape to release an unstable browser. It's a good thing that netscape haven't gone into panic mode. It's a good sign that netscape is gonna wait till mozilla is ready.
Anyone want to help out a poor windows user yearning to break free?
.iso file, a cd burner, now what do I do with it?
I bought RedHat recently but it won't play nice with my video card, maybe Corel will work better. I have the 311 meg
Thanks for your ohh so wonderfull advise!
It is against the LGPL to distribute static binaries and not the dynamically linked version. Will someone notify him?
does the linux interface look like a bitchx/ircii rip off? well ofcourse it is but, i wonder if they're using any gpl'ed code...
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It cut off my URL! WTF? OK, go to www.mozilla.org, hit M11, and look right under "i386 tar.gz format"
The Matrix is going down for reboot now! Stopping reality: OK. The system is halted.
Check out the connection from you to napster.com when you log in. Napster sends your password as clear text. Actually, I'm a little fuzzy on why they have a password to log in since it is not used to control access to your drive and anyone can sign up. In any case, we all know that lusers can't remember more than one password anyways so it could still be useful. Also check out the connection either way when requesting a file. The full path to the requested file is given. Hint: c:\ means the user is running windows. \ means unix. You already have their IP. Ah, it's the old security vs. convenience trade off.
I'll be right on that.
Shut up. No one respects the LGPL or the GPL.
Have you all checked out the different hosts it querys, etc ? They're so paranoid about everything that they don't even have a config file that sets up servers,.. the client querys a server ( 208.178.163.58 port 8875, napster.com ) which prints out the name of a random server and then the client takes that and connects to it. You can get all the names of the servers from that host.. Shows how they really want to keep control of it and don't want other people to even begin to start running clone servers..
i'm sure something good will come out of this though. like a opensource cvs/irc client. that other person's post about a general client for any kind of files is interesting. another person pointed out that all this is, is a uniform UI for getting files on a irc type server. imagine the share of the market someone would receive if they simply hacked a opensource ircd, and included some other features that don't break existing irc clients. new enhanced irc clients could be made to take these features into account but older ones could also join the servers. That would gain a lot more support from people then this silly one corporation with it's silly client.
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Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I'm very disappointed. Sometimes when I typed a new URL it would claim to have loaded the new page, but nothing new was displayed. I went to www.gamespot.com and what it displayed was a mess. It seemed very erratic; thats the best word I can use to describe it. I wouldn't be trumpeting Mozilla as the next big thing in browsers judging on what I've seen while playing with it. Which is a shame, as I want it to succeed. Back to Netscape 4.7!
Ok, so we have lots of advice for installing Corel Linux without a CD burner when you already have Linux. Anyone got any advice for us poor saps that only have Windows (95) and don't have a burner?
Well, I tried out M11. Unfortunately, it crashed three times in a row while browsing Slashdot and changing preferences. The funny thing is, M10 ran without crashing for me... Maybe tomorrow when I am not so tired, I will pin down what is crashing it and head over to Bugzilla. When you've been coding and testing all day, you don't always feel like doing more of the same in the evening... I really would like to see Mozilla succeed. I think the interface is definitely cool, and the pages seem to render much more quickly than my Netscape 4.7x. (BTW, I'm on Linux.) Anyway, I look forward to the day when the final release comes out.
Yet Another Corel Linux User Report ----------------------------------- Corel Linux is cool. I did i minimum desktop install and it installed Netscape Navigator. Dunno where the story about it not including netscape came from It was navigator not communicator, and when i tried to use netscape from "/disks/redhat/usr/local/netscape/netscape" it complained about __bzero in some shared library and wouldn't run, hence i'm back in redhat until i can get communicator going. And the option in the package update thing to specify standard debian ftp servers doesn't work, it'll only update from cdrom or from corel site. There doesn't seem to be any easy way to edit the boot menu, i wanna add a few more OSes to it. The fdisk thingy in the installer took me quiet a while to get a handle on, but when you've got 14 partitions it's always gonna be difficult i guess. CorelExplorer is pretty cool. But MS won't have any problems winning a 'look and feel' lawsuit if they want to persue that option. Of course it's debian based, so i couldn't figure out where the tcpip settings where (it just configures dhcp as default) and there were no scripts like ifup etc. Then i realised i didn't need to do it the old school way. Just open up Corel Control Centre (aka kcontrol) go to Network/TCPIP, put in the ip address and hit apply, suddenly i can ping everything. The whole experience was very windows like, but without the reboots and 'please insert the CD' prompts. I like the new taskbar and was about to say to myself 'good job corel' , but then i took a look at the 'KDE2 in action' screenshots http://www2.jorsm.com/~mosfet/screenshots.html and realised it was just the kpanel from KDE2. Arggh, can't stand this old kpanel thing, gotta get communicator going under corel.
I compiled it without the debugging code, as I don't expect to be working on it any time soon - just wanted a quick look at the improvements. I think you'll find that most of the Bugzilla comments regarding performance come from people testing the precompiled versions. These have the debugging code and extra symbols specifically to try and get some valid feedback. However, the vast majority of people are only having a quick peek at Mozilla and are either incapable or unwilling to file a useful bug report.
Chris Wareham