I would tell Mom and Pop that Mac OS X server with a FileMakerPro database and Apache would get the same work done, but far more securely. OS X Server has Apache built in, and some known & stable firewalling built in (it's either ipf of ipfw, I forget). FMP has a nifty web plugin that gives it a web front end (disabled out of the box, but there) for the dynamic stuff, and then use Apache for the static stuff. Sure, the performance would be just as bad as NT/IIS, but it would be safer and just as manageable by Mom and Pop. Even better, I would tell Mom and Pop to arrange their web presence through a colo/hosting company with a skilled tech staff.
Well, open up terminal.app, you're running a BSD right there. I haven't had much chance to play with OS X, but it's very BSD. Also, most of the Macs that run OS X will also run OpenBSD. If you're interested in trying out OpenBSD (or NetBSD, for that matter) it shouldn't be too difficult to set up a dual boot on your mac.
itachi, who is planning on getting a new powerbook just for that dual-boot combo
Vast majority of cops? You're probably right about that, but the rotten ones seem to gather. Read the Washington Post's excellent series of articles about the Prince George's County, MD police dept. More shootings per officer than any other dept. in the nation, and yet somehow, the officers were never wrong. For the last 7(8?) years, they have not found the officer to be in the wrong in any of the shootings. Sure, every other police officer in MD might be a perfect at their job and never do anything wrong, but you better hope you aren't a minority and in PG county, or mentally/emotionally disturbed and in PG county, or even in PG county when the cops are pissed off.
How can you not know what channel you're watching with those transparent (and sometimes opaque UGH!) station icons in the right lower corner all the time?
It's getting worse, too. The local fox affiliate has started using the top 1/4 of the screen to remind us viewers what we're watching and that we're watching it on fox. So far I haven't seen it more than once or twice in a 30min. time slice, but how short do they think my attention span is? I mean, just because I'm watching "When good pets go bad and write IIS exploits, part 3"...
Correction: the SE doesn't run *BSD as it has no MMU. The SE/30 has a 68030 and *does* run *BSD. D'oh! My bad. Although the fact that you're stuck running MacOS on it might actually make the keyboard more sniffable. I recall a freeware/shareware keyboard sniffer for the mac, basically a hidden executable that gets left in the extensions folder and logs to a text file of your choosing. I know it ran on pretty much any mac with the right versions of MacOS. I don't think it ran on anything much older than system 7, though. Maybe 6.
For me, the issue is what anime tries to be vs. what CG tries to be. I loved Toy Story and Toy Story 2, and I love pretty much any anime. I can't stand CG, though, because when they try to make it look real, it fails. The lighting is wrong (oh so wrong), the textures don't work, and there is something not right with the movement. Animated CG that doesn't try to blend is a lot easier to watch, imho. There isn't the same jarring, disconcerting moment of disconnect where the person/dinosaur/effect tries to interact with the non-CG environment. Example - Blade, the scene at the very end where there is CG blood. Or Kennedy's lips in Forrest Gump. Or Jar Jar Binks (Lucas owes everyone $7 for that crime against moviegoers) The disconnect between what you know you should be seeing and what the CG can do tears you out of the moment, and breaks your suspension of disbelief. With all an all animated (cel or CG) movie, you don't have those moments of disconnect. Ditto in a movie with no CG (or minimized/backgrounded CG, such as the fleets in any of the Star Wars re-releases).
I think we can respect the FBI's right to technological privacy when they can remember how to respect the 4th Amendment rights of the people they are investigating. This is a clear and blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, they are obviously collecting a data stream, and therefore the obviously need a wiretapping warrant. Until the FBI can clean up their act, I'm al in favor of providing free consulting services for any mobster/terrorist/political subversive who managed to piss off Dubya/etc.
There was a "good faith" exception to the Exclusionary Rule that sprang out of a court case in 1983. If the cops belive that they are conducting a legal search (eg, they get a warrant, but the judge inserts a typo and the warrant is for the wrong apt), the evidence is not excluded. It does fit well with the 4th Amendment.
An SE is an old motorola 68k chipped macintosh. It does run NetBSD, as well as OpenBSD. Running PGP on it should be no problem. I suspect that either software or hardware, it shouldn't be that much of a challenge to port a keystroke recorder to a new architechture. It's just not that complicated.
Oh, wake up. You can't even get national news from most television news, let alone world news. Those that do provide national or world news do it so badly, so filtered, so biased that it's hardly watchable. I can't remember the last time I was able to watch an american news program all the way through without getting set off on a rant or losing my lunch over the inaccuracies and glossing over... Don't belive that the average US citizen relies on that pablum for their major news? Ask anyone in the US about the current situation in Chechnya, or foot and mouth in the UK, or the goings on in Israel & Palestine, or anything else that's getting coverage in the world press. Does Joe U.S. know how the India/Pakistan talks are going? Even what they're about?
As for Israel, I hope that in a dozen or so years, when the current govt. of Israel is being prosecuted at the Hague for crimes against humanity, they at least try to charge GWB and friends as accomplices.
You didn't refute anything, dude. The previous AC is right, the U.S. is egotistical, disrespectful of others, ignorant, greedy, wasteful, selfish, etc. And I wont even mention politics here, where we now have a President who can't even speak his native tongue. What sort of moron does it take to vote for a moron like that?
If caffeine isn't habit forming, why do I get a splitting headache and mild shakes if i don't get my morning coffee? On the (addmitedly rare) occasions when I decide to decaf myself for a period of time, I am non-functional for the first week or so... Then again, my average daily morning caffeine dose is about 300mg, more as needed as the day continues, so it's a bit more than your average soda.
Read "The Big White Lie", by Michael Levine (former DEA agent), he has a chapter or so detailing the "cocaine coup" in Bolivia. The CIA helped some right wing drug kingpins take power. Klaus Barbie, nazi war criminal, was part of the government.
Read "Dark Alliance", by Gary Webb. Find out just how reponsible the CIA is for the explosion of crack in the US. Take a look at the Sandanista government in Nicaragua in the early to mid 1980s, and then look at the Contras who were fighting them. Look at the whole Iran-Contra scandal. The government, because it is comprised of people, is faliable. Very faliable.
itachi
ps - if you don't trust those two books, there was a congressional investigation in 1989 headed by John Kerry that found links between the CIA-controlled Contras and drug smuggling
The government works for the good of all, because the government is constructed by the people.
Cointelpro, Mk-ultra, CIA drug smuggling, Iran-Contra, Samoza, Marcos, the v-chip, WWII internment camps, testing LSD (among other things) on unsuspecting citizens, saying "Never again" and watching it happen every day since then, handing over federal funds to groups who promise to discriminate, and my own personal favorite, writing laws that flagrantly ignore the 1st Ammendment. Yep, it's a government run by people, alright. Don't blame the government, don't blame corporations. Don't credit them, either. They're both constructs. People suck, people always have sucked, people always will suck. If you want to fix the world, encourage people to join VHEMT.
Have you talked to any recent graduates of the Philadelphia public school system? Or visited any Philadelphia public schools lately? It might be tasteless, but it's not too far off. Public schools in Philadelphia are hurting very badly, for a variety of reasons. I can think of several approaches that MS and the BSA could take in dealing with schools and other non-profits that would make compliance verification much easier to do and much less of a burden.
See, if you pay attention to the creaking and bending in your lego crane, you learn what to do to make it non-creaky on your next version. That was always the best part of lego, imho. Way better than erector sets because you don't have the mindless tedium of putting it together with nuts and bolts, but you can get the same effect. Plus, since lego has less inherent structural strength, you had to build better and smarter to get the same effect.
Hey there dirty hippie. If you want to criticize the military, do it right and check your facts. Air Force, not Marines. As for the history, govt, and politics, you left out religion(s), culture, race relations, etc. Finally, whether the military gets involved is a political issue, and the individual soldiers don't get a say.
No, the problem is that regardless of the performance of the recognition system (be it 5% accurate or 95%), it is generating probable cause to search. The thing that makes the 4th Ammendment so powerful is the burden of proof that it places on the police. With the camera system, they are creating an excuse, a way that they can say "well, he looked like the guy, and even though he wasn't, we decided to search him and his belongings and we found " The 4th Ammendment prohibits random stop&searches like that. A camera system like this, although it might not be violating the letter of the law (I think it is, but it is open to interpretation) is most definitely violating the spirit of the 4th Ammendment. You have to remember that the police are not going to recognize the individual just because the camera does. Say you are walking down the street. The camera thinks that you look like some random 3rd party who is wanted for some crime. The police who respond wont know what the 3rd party looks like, and they wont know that you aren't that party. They now have probable cause to search you based on the camera. This is the same as walking down the street with a drug sniffing dog, pointing it at passers-by and searching people that the dog alerts at. They have no probable cause to sniff at them with the dog, so they aren't allowed to do this. The only difference here is that they are using a camera rather than a dog, and they are just as much in violation of my constitutional rights either way.
But the cop on the street doesn't remember the faces of every single person with a warrant. The cop wont stop you if you walk down the street past them with dozens of warrants, because the cop wont look at you and say "hey, that gal/guy has a warrant out because they have 30 unpaid parking tickets" The cop doesn't have the face of every single person with an outstanding warrant memorized. The cop might know the faces of some people who are wanted for major felonies, and the cop might recognize people that they have arrested before. So the cop wont have probable cause, and you wont get stopped. The camera, however, will say that you might be that person, and then the cop will have probable cause to stop you and search you. Hence, the camera is a probable cause generator. Look at it this way - if you were walking down the street, and the cop was walking down the sidewalk with a drug sniffing dog, and the cop was pointing the dog at every single passer-by, would that be okay? That's what the camera system is. Even in public, you have some expectation of privacy - public pay phones do not make your conversation public, you have the right to expect that people wont go digging through your pockets, etc. It's not the same as being in your own home, but there is an expectation of a degree of privacy.
And if the camera system tells the cop that you look like that guy with the warrant (even though you have no warrants and have never done anything wrong...), the system functions as a probable cause generator. So we're back where we started - it's scary and wrong.
Apparently, you don't live in the DC metro area. If you trust the police and the local government to not abuse the authority that you give them, you deserve what they will do to you. I live in Philly, I watched the DNC and the police reaction. I think that Philly cops are 99% great people doing a 99% great job. It's the 1% bad cop, and that 1% bad job that bother me. That 1% makes camera systems like this terrifying.
Well, it IS a Speilberg movie... And it was initially a Kubrick project... I imagine it'd be cheaper to realize that it's a bad plan to begin with and not waste the $7.
No, see, they hadn't logged into the console and typed "show log", or they would've seen the failover attempt. In fact, as far as I can tell, they didn't log into any of the network devices before the rebooted ALL OF THEM! Managed network devices are usually pretty helpful in terms of troubleshooting if you go to the trouble of getting console access. In this case, they went with the "Reboot, then troubleshoot" approach, which is dumb.
As for routers and switches being user-serviceable, sure, you aren't supposed to be in there with a soldering iron and a multimeter, but a config is absolutely user-servicable. If it might be a config error, rebooting will do more harm than good. The only time you should need reboot a piece of serious network hardware (by price alone, I think we can define a 6509 as serious hardware) is when you have no console access, the lights that are supposed to blink aren't blinking and the lights that aren't supposed to blink are blinking. Or smoke. That might also be a valid excuse. But it would have to be a lot of smoke...
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I would tell Mom and Pop that Mac OS X server with a FileMakerPro database and Apache would get the same work done, but far more securely. OS X Server has Apache built in, and some known & stable firewalling built in (it's either ipf of ipfw, I forget). FMP has a nifty web plugin that gives it a web front end (disabled out of the box, but there) for the dynamic stuff, and then use Apache for the static stuff. Sure, the performance would be just as bad as NT/IIS, but it would be safer and just as manageable by Mom and Pop. Even better, I would tell Mom and Pop to arrange their web presence through a colo/hosting company with a skilled tech staff.
itachi
Well, open up terminal.app, you're running a BSD right there. I haven't had much chance to play with OS X, but it's very BSD. Also, most of the Macs that run OS X will also run OpenBSD. If you're interested in trying out OpenBSD (or NetBSD, for that matter) it shouldn't be too difficult to set up a dual boot on your mac.
itachi, who is planning on getting a new powerbook just for that dual-boot combo
Vast majority of cops? You're probably right about that, but the rotten ones seem to gather. Read the Washington Post's excellent series of articles about the Prince George's County, MD police dept. More shootings per officer than any other dept. in the nation, and yet somehow, the officers were never wrong. For the last 7(8?) years, they have not found the officer to be in the wrong in any of the shootings. Sure, every other police officer in MD might be a perfect at their job and never do anything wrong, but you better hope you aren't a minority and in PG county, or mentally/emotionally disturbed and in PG county, or even in PG county when the cops are pissed off.
itachi
How can you not know what channel you're watching with those transparent (and sometimes opaque UGH!) station icons in the right lower corner all the time?
It's getting worse, too. The local fox affiliate has started using the top 1/4 of the screen to remind us viewers what we're watching and that we're watching it on fox. So far I haven't seen it more than once or twice in a 30min. time slice, but how short do they think my attention span is? I mean, just because I'm watching "When good pets go bad and write IIS exploits, part 3"...
itachi
Correction: the SE doesn't run *BSD as it has no MMU. The SE/30 has a 68030 and *does* run *BSD.
D'oh! My bad. Although the fact that you're stuck running MacOS on it might actually make the keyboard more sniffable. I recall a freeware/shareware keyboard sniffer for the mac, basically a hidden executable that gets left in the extensions folder and logs to a text file of your choosing. I know it ran on pretty much any mac with the right versions of MacOS. I don't think it ran on anything much older than system 7, though. Maybe 6.
itachi
For me, the issue is what anime tries to be vs. what CG tries to be. I loved Toy Story and Toy Story 2, and I love pretty much any anime. I can't stand CG, though, because when they try to make it look real, it fails. The lighting is wrong (oh so wrong), the textures don't work, and there is something not right with the movement. Animated CG that doesn't try to blend is a lot easier to watch, imho. There isn't the same jarring, disconcerting moment of disconnect where the person/dinosaur/effect tries to interact with the non-CG environment. Example - Blade, the scene at the very end where there is CG blood. Or Kennedy's lips in Forrest Gump. Or Jar Jar Binks (Lucas owes everyone $7 for that crime against moviegoers) The disconnect between what you know you should be seeing and what the CG can do tears you out of the moment, and breaks your suspension of disbelief. With all an all animated (cel or CG) movie, you don't have those moments of disconnect. Ditto in a movie with no CG (or minimized/backgrounded CG, such as the fleets in any of the Star Wars re-releases).
itachi
I think we can respect the FBI's right to technological privacy when they can remember how to respect the 4th Amendment rights of the people they are investigating. This is a clear and blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, they are obviously collecting a data stream, and therefore the obviously need a wiretapping warrant. Until the FBI can clean up their act, I'm al in favor of providing free consulting services for any mobster/terrorist/political subversive who managed to piss off Dubya/etc.
itachi
There was a "good faith" exception to the Exclusionary Rule that sprang out of a court case in 1983. If the cops belive that they are conducting a legal search (eg, they get a warrant, but the judge inserts a typo and the warrant is for the wrong apt), the evidence is not excluded. It does fit well with the 4th Amendment.
itachi
An SE is an old motorola 68k chipped macintosh. It does run NetBSD, as well as OpenBSD. Running PGP on it should be no problem. I suspect that either software or hardware, it shouldn't be that much of a challenge to port a keystroke recorder to a new architechture. It's just not that complicated.
itachi
Oh, wake up. You can't even get national news from most television news, let alone world news. Those that do provide national or world news do it so badly, so filtered, so biased that it's hardly watchable. I can't remember the last time I was able to watch an american news program all the way through without getting set off on a rant or losing my lunch over the inaccuracies and glossing over... Don't belive that the average US citizen relies on that pablum for their major news? Ask anyone in the US about the current situation in Chechnya, or foot and mouth in the UK, or the goings on in Israel & Palestine, or anything else that's getting coverage in the world press. Does Joe U.S. know how the India/Pakistan talks are going? Even what they're about?
As for Israel, I hope that in a dozen or so years, when the current govt. of Israel is being prosecuted at the Hague for crimes against humanity, they at least try to charge GWB and friends as accomplices.
You didn't refute anything, dude. The previous AC is right, the U.S. is egotistical, disrespectful of others, ignorant, greedy, wasteful, selfish, etc. And I wont even mention politics here, where we now have a President who can't even speak his native tongue. What sort of moron does it take to vote for a moron like that?
bitter
If you want to know why women (and men, too) raising kids don't counts as workers, merely look at the kids that they raise.
itachi, feeling bitter about humans in general anyway.
No, Bush smuggled the drugs for him. He got the drugs from some friends he met through George and George's CIA buddies.
itachi
If caffeine isn't habit forming, why do I get a splitting headache and mild shakes if i don't get my morning coffee? On the (addmitedly rare) occasions when I decide to decaf myself for a period of time, I am non-functional for the first week or so... Then again, my average daily morning caffeine dose is about 300mg, more as needed as the day continues, so it's a bit more than your average soda.
itachi
Read "The Big White Lie", by Michael Levine (former DEA agent), he has a chapter or so detailing the "cocaine coup" in Bolivia. The CIA helped some right wing drug kingpins take power. Klaus Barbie, nazi war criminal, was part of the government.
Read "Dark Alliance", by Gary Webb. Find out just how reponsible the CIA is for the explosion of crack in the US. Take a look at the Sandanista government in Nicaragua in the early to mid 1980s, and then look at the Contras who were fighting them. Look at the whole Iran-Contra scandal. The government, because it is comprised of people, is faliable. Very faliable.
itachi
ps - if you don't trust those two books, there was a congressional investigation in 1989 headed by John Kerry that found links between the CIA-controlled Contras and drug smuggling
The government works for the good of all, because the government is constructed by the people.
Cointelpro, Mk-ultra, CIA drug smuggling, Iran-Contra, Samoza, Marcos, the v-chip, WWII internment camps, testing LSD (among other things) on unsuspecting citizens, saying "Never again" and watching it happen every day since then, handing over federal funds to groups who promise to discriminate, and my own personal favorite, writing laws that flagrantly ignore the 1st Ammendment. Yep, it's a government run by people, alright. Don't blame the government, don't blame corporations. Don't credit them, either. They're both constructs. People suck, people always have sucked, people always will suck. If you want to fix the world, encourage people to join VHEMT.
itachi
Have you talked to any recent graduates of the Philadelphia public school system? Or visited any Philadelphia public schools lately? It might be tasteless, but it's not too far off. Public schools in Philadelphia are hurting very badly, for a variety of reasons. I can think of several approaches that MS and the BSA could take in dealing with schools and other non-profits that would make compliance verification much easier to do and much less of a burden.
itachi
Hey, look on the bright side, nodody brought up British cars yet :)
itachi
See, if you pay attention to the creaking and bending in your lego crane, you learn what to do to make it non-creaky on your next version. That was always the best part of lego, imho. Way better than erector sets because you don't have the mindless tedium of putting it together with nuts and bolts, but you can get the same effect. Plus, since lego has less inherent structural strength, you had to build better and smarter to get the same effect.
itachi
Hey there dirty hippie. If you want to criticize the military, do it right and check your facts. Air Force, not Marines. As for the history, govt, and politics, you left out religion(s), culture, race relations, etc. Finally, whether the military gets involved is a political issue, and the individual soldiers don't get a say.
itachi
No, the problem is that regardless of the performance of the recognition system (be it 5% accurate or 95%), it is generating probable cause to search. The thing that makes the 4th Ammendment so powerful is the burden of proof that it places on the police. With the camera system, they are creating an excuse, a way that they can say "well, he looked like the guy, and even though he wasn't, we decided to search him and his belongings and we found " The 4th Ammendment prohibits random stop&searches like that. A camera system like this, although it might not be violating the letter of the law (I think it is, but it is open to interpretation) is most definitely violating the spirit of the 4th Ammendment. You have to remember that the police are not going to recognize the individual just because the camera does. Say you are walking down the street. The camera thinks that you look like some random 3rd party who is wanted for some crime. The police who respond wont know what the 3rd party looks like, and they wont know that you aren't that party. They now have probable cause to search you based on the camera. This is the same as walking down the street with a drug sniffing dog, pointing it at passers-by and searching people that the dog alerts at. They have no probable cause to sniff at them with the dog, so they aren't allowed to do this. The only difference here is that they are using a camera rather than a dog, and they are just as much in violation of my constitutional rights either way.
itachi
But the cop on the street doesn't remember the faces of every single person with a warrant. The cop wont stop you if you walk down the street past them with dozens of warrants, because the cop wont look at you and say "hey, that gal/guy has a warrant out because they have 30 unpaid parking tickets" The cop doesn't have the face of every single person with an outstanding warrant memorized. The cop might know the faces of some people who are wanted for major felonies, and the cop might recognize people that they have arrested before. So the cop wont have probable cause, and you wont get stopped. The camera, however, will say that you might be that person, and then the cop will have probable cause to stop you and search you. Hence, the camera is a probable cause generator. Look at it this way - if you were walking down the street, and the cop was walking down the sidewalk with a drug sniffing dog, and the cop was pointing the dog at every single passer-by, would that be okay? That's what the camera system is. Even in public, you have some expectation of privacy - public pay phones do not make your conversation public, you have the right to expect that people wont go digging through your pockets, etc. It's not the same as being in your own home, but there is an expectation of a degree of privacy.
itachi
And if the camera system tells the cop that you look like that guy with the warrant (even though you have no warrants and have never done anything wrong...), the system functions as a probable cause generator. So we're back where we started - it's scary and wrong.
itachi
Apparently, you don't live in the DC metro area. If you trust the police and the local government to not abuse the authority that you give them, you deserve what they will do to you. I live in Philly, I watched the DNC and the police reaction. I think that Philly cops are 99% great people doing a 99% great job. It's the 1% bad cop, and that 1% bad job that bother me. That 1% makes camera systems like this terrifying.
itachi
Well, it IS a Speilberg movie... And it was initially a Kubrick project... I imagine it'd be cheaper to realize that it's a bad plan to begin with and not waste the $7.
Itachi
No, see, they hadn't logged into the console and typed "show log", or they would've seen the failover attempt. In fact, as far as I can tell, they didn't log into any of the network devices before the rebooted ALL OF THEM! Managed network devices are usually pretty helpful in terms of troubleshooting if you go to the trouble of getting console access. In this case, they went with the "Reboot, then troubleshoot" approach, which is dumb.
As for routers and switches being user-serviceable, sure, you aren't supposed to be in there with a soldering iron and a multimeter, but a config is absolutely user-servicable. If it might be a config error, rebooting will do more harm than good. The only time you should need reboot a piece of serious network hardware (by price alone, I think we can define a 6509 as serious hardware) is when you have no console access, the lights that are supposed to blink aren't blinking and the lights that aren't supposed to blink are blinking. Or smoke. That might also be a valid excuse. But it would have to be a lot of smoke...
itachi