I'm in the middle of doing a computer speech mini-project at my company. After many, many times of going down to the computer room and finding printers jammed and communications errors unchecked due to our operators not hearing the warning beeps over the noise of the computer room, we came up with a solution.
We were in desperate need of re-writing our network/database/communications monitoring software, so I figured...why not add voice to it? So I added a soundcard and speakers to the new system, and used some text-to-speed software. Result? Pissed off operators!
Printer alert! Printer 1 is jammed!
Communications alert! Dialer 2 is hung!
Printer alert! Printer 2 is out of paper!
Oh well...at least the printer's don't sit around jammed for more than 1 minute now =)
Using this analogy (copying a recorded TV show being a verbatim copy versus lecture notes being a student's impression/interpretation of a lecture), wouldn't this bill also be analogous to banning movie reviews being published in commercial publications?
Either way, it's A Bad Thing (TM) to ban crap like this. Our country's forefathers are rolling in their graves right now.
Hell, their is every possibility that the storyboards were totally fake to begin with, and this is all a disinformation campaign.
Anyone else here remember Return of the Jedi being 'leadked' and later marketed briefly as "Revenge of the Jedi"? I even have a copy of the trailer for the movie under that name somewhere...
And, from what I remember, this happened with the other Star Wars movies as well...So don't let yourselves believe that this means the storyboards were real. They likely weren't.
This is an idea I've been throwing around for a long time now, and have planend it a bit, but not used it.
First off, I planned on two interfaces. One would be a modified version of the myriad of CGI based software for building playlists. You can't get more cross-platform than a web page, although in my case that isn't needed (all machines in my house run Linux primarily).
The other interface was going to be X10 based. Both their MouseRemotes or any of their wall-panel type devices would work well.
I've tinkered a lot with IBM's free ViaVoice software RTK/SDK's under Linux, and it is far better than any other TTS I've tried, including Lucent's online setup. I was going to make a voice readout interface for the remote controls.
As for hardware, I was going to do the same...a simple, central machine, with a crapload of sound cards in it.
In my personal case, I'll probably do this with my current system when I 'retire' it. K62/450, 128MB ram. I intend to get a 60GB maxtor for it (only $269 each locally, and I get 21.4MB/s transfers on it on a Gigabyte slot-A MB at work), and also use it as my central NFS server for other purposes.
Has their been any legal precedence set yet in terms of prosecuting offenders for denial of service attacks?
If so, why not charge RIAA, MPAA, and others that file frivilous lawsuits for denying citizens expedient use of public services (the legal system)?
(Yes, I know the article does state that it is the MP3Board suing AOL and completely understand the irony of it...but everyone here keeps bringing up RIAA over and over again =)
Most people here are NOT confusing NDA's and non-competes. They are worried that if they chose to go to a competitor instead, they become the target or conduit for legal issues between the themselves or the two companies.
Company A makes widgets. You interview with them under NDA, but go to company B instead. A month later, company B starts making their own widgets (which has nothing to do with you). Company A can put you through the legal blender claiming you violated your NDA.
Ages ago, I took trips from San Antonio to Waco. Along the way, we'd pass through the broadcast for the University of Texas in Austin's campus radio station. If we were lucky, we'd pass through at the right time to hear their comedy hour.
I miss it...They used to play stuff like "Seven hillbillies in a haunted house," and "God told me to rob the 7-Eleven". I have NEVER found any tune I heard on that station ANYWHERE else. I'd seriously consider an act of maiming or other carnage for a chance to hear some of them again =)
Many school districts have public funds set aside for work programs for students. During my senior year, the school hired me (2 hours, 2 class periods out of the day) doing computer repair work. During the summer, I was hired for a full 40 hours/week running our computer lab. Due to the nature of the work, I was making about $6 an hour, while everyone else under the program (usually people on the verge of dropping out, who spent their time picking up trash and such) made minimum wage. I even remember being told to make certain I never told anyone else in the program what I was making to avoid retaliation by them =P.
It was good work, good experience, was usable on my resume, and better yet helped me get more financially prepared for college.
As for work OUTSIDE the school districts, if you are part of a dual credit/AP course that is officially though a local university, you might try seeing if they can provide you with any part time work.
There is only one real solution that would actually HURT Microsoft, and break their 'domination.'
Ban Microsoft from every using the name 'Microsoft' again, in any form or fassion. Microsoft is NOT about good software, or services, or whatever market they have their hands dipped into that week. Microsoft is a name and a marketting empire. Microsoft probably has five times more marketters and lawyers than they do programmers or tech support.
Keep in mind that one of the only pieces of software that Microsoft ever wrote--completely on their own--was Bob. That's right, Bob. Every other piece of software has originated from a collaboration (i.e. MS and IBM for Windows), buying up the software (DOS), buying out the company that makes it (most of the Office suite, I believe), or just stealing it.
Let's make a quick comparison here. RIAA and the courts are saying that because Napster is being used to transmit illegal material, it is responsible for the actions of it's users. We have to be honest that this is the only intent and purpose of Napster, but that is aside from the point. Napster CAN be used legally, but it is the responsibility of the end user to see to it they obey the law.
For the comparison, let's take gun manufacturers. Guns have only one purpose--too kill. Please note that I AM in favor of the right to bare arms, but this a valid point. Gun manufacturers are NOT held accountable for the actions of their customers. The addage that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is perfectly valid.
This very point is a contradiction. I'd say that the Napster lawyers should use this as a point of defense, citing past cases against gun manufacturers.
On the otherhand, RIAA could argue about the tabacco manufacturers--but that is not as valid because that concerns blatent lying by tabacco concerns about the addictiveness and hazards of smoking. Irrelevent.
Not checkmate. Try double-checking your board--unless you made a mistake in your transcript of moves above. This is probably a good possibility considering the line 'F2-F4 (white king's pawn)' is a paradox--F2 is white king's bishops pawn.
I'm in charge of a rather large communications system (between a central office, several warehouses, and a few hundred stores). We are now in the process of porting everything, lot stock & barrel, to new hardware and new OS (SCO 5).
A) The *original* system was done on a UNISYS mainframe. Hence the initial style of this pile of rubbish.
B) Half the system is in a 4GL language, written by programmers that were learning the language for the first time.
C) Half the system was written in shell scripts. They were originally plain bourne shell (yuck), and some kind soul decided to convert them all to Korn. Unfortunately, that consisted mainly of changing the #! line. Utterly worthless.
D) Raw SQL is sprawled all throughout this stuff. The statements for executing each of these SQL scripts varries in ways you can't imagine.
E) Three-quarters of this code is on 13 different HP-UX boxes. Very old HP boxes.
F) The rest is on old SCO 3.x/4.x boxes, which were never properly installed to begin with (they core dump every time you try to shutdown the system). There is no way in hell I'm ever trying to re-install them. Never.
G) The entire system consists of about 500 shell scripts, 70 or so 4GL programs, and several hundred SQL scripts -- many of which are dynamically modified and executed by said shell/4GL programs.
H) I'm only about the fifth person to be put in charge of this code since it was written. Nobody with any experience in it works here any longer.
I think I'm going to learn to tie a noose this week =)
From what I've heard (word of mouth), AMD is getting an amazingly low scrap rate on the K7's. So much, in fact, that they have been able to drop prices and not affect their profit margin. This also means more chips for do-it-yourselfers. Originally, I heard that AMD wouldn't even *consider* selling to VAR's until at least December. As of a month ago, several local places have them, and at reasonable prices--not to mention about 25% less than those aluminummines =P
> So AMD had to stick with the Socket370(?) form (which was the non-proprietary Pentium Pro socket.)
AMD has used the 'Socket 7' and 'Super Socket 7' sockets up until now.
>AMD (or somebody) created the Slot A socket which is suprisingly(not!) similar to Slot 1 but not compatible.
Slot A is dimentionally the same as Slot 1 (hence saving motherboard manufacturers money and resources), but uses the EV6 bus architecture, which was designed for the Alpha CPU's. EV6 allows for a 200Mhz system bus, scaling upwards of 400Mhz now on many Alpha motherboards. I think they're aiming for 600Mhz now.
Keep in mind that Intel is still struggling just to get up to a 133Mhz bus.
PS: This is only one bus, from one aspect..the entire system's buses aren't running at 200Mhz, but the capability is there for at least that speed between CPU and memory. Sorry, I'm not an engineer =)
Anyone considered looking for an obvious pattern, such as Amazon or crypto? Pick up values based on position in alphabet, look at the differences, and compare those and look for a pattern.
I was there a few weeks ago, on the dual DS-20 Redhat machine, and even ended up in a talk session with the root user there for well over an hour (wish I could find his email so I could get his name...).
When I first talked with him, I mentioned that I was surprised Slashdot hadn't caught wind of it, though Freshmeat had. I then got to read the root user begging me not to post it here, as he wasn't nearly prepared for it =) Due to the results I'll mention in following, I quickly lost interest in it.
The machine was fairly impressive, but had obvious problems. Compiling was practically impossible as it crashed errors reminicent of a severely overheated CPU. Either that, or they had some major code problems. I only tried out gcc compiling kernels, and never did try out Compaq's compiler.
For years now, the Alpha's have reigned supreme as the absolute best CPU around, despite it's age. If only Compaq or one of the licensee companies, such as Samsung (I believe Intel and a few others have rights to produce the chips as well) would just pump out the chips and eat the losses for a year or so, the x86 architecture would be obsolete in probably 2-4 years. According to the man I spoke to, Compaq was about to start doing exactly that with the less expensive DS-10 chips.
Also, he said they would have a contest soon to win a free DS-10 based machine. I know Compaq has done some publicity on it, but basically it's a contest to write software to best demonstrate the abilities of an Alpha processor versus an x86. Or, at least, that was that I was told a few weeks ago.
Still dreaming of having a quad-81364/2Ghz machine on my desk in a couple years.... [drool]...
I wrote some software a couple years ago using USR voice modems (it was a public number, call up, choose a number from the menu, and have some weather data for one of our stations read back to you). It was done in perl, with out own simple module for doing basic handling. If you don't want to try your hand at it yourself, I'm sure there are several modules out there for it (several have suggested Expect.pm so far).
That program was done in a total of about 150 lines for the main portion of it, and another 100-150 lines in our communications module.
I've moved on, and haven't called it in over a year, but if you are ever in the Corpus Christi, TX area, try it out--it should be at (512) 992-WIND (Windinfo, service of the Conrad Blucher Institute for Surveying Science, Division of Nearshore Research).
I ended up with the same comment appearing twice within the group of 10 metamod articles. Now, that must a one in a million occurence given the shear volume of comments/articles posted here!
PS: It was the joke survey on shift key usage...I assume each person's group of metamod comments is random? Or is it the same group of 10 for everyone to metamod?
Back in high school (I worked for the school district doing computer work), I spent a couple months refitting a bunch of NSA-donated machines. They were 286's, with dual 360k floppies, and 80MB hard drives, complete with stickers on board stating that the machines were not approved for storage of classified information. And to think that was only around 1995 or so....how's that for the 'cutting edge' NSA?
Nice catch. I was only running version 0.46 (not even a full week ago when I got it from the official site). BTW, 50 hours was for 7 blocks, not one (K6-2-450/128MB/Linux 2.2.9).
I've put in about 50 hours of processing time or so under the Linux version so far, receiving 7 blocks up to this point. I have yet to show any results being posted to SETI@Home. I do have an outfile.txt (running around 1.5k so far). After the database came back up, I even tried to get back in using setiathome -login and logging back in. Does the outfile have to reach a 'critical mass' before being sent?
If I remember right, I've seen parts of Redhat's init scripts that look like they'd be related to fixing this symlink, but I've never really looked into it.
The moment I read this (in Texas, 7:30 CST), I rushed to my DSS and flipped to Much music...the second it started. Thanks for the info, Alan!
I can see making Natalie Portman's voice deeper to make her seem older, perhaps, but they made it TOO deep. And while the new footage was wonderful, there was much too little of it =)
As for the music? I heard it a while back (one of the lucky few whose hunt of the 'net was successful), and while I love it, it will take some getting used to. I've always been a big fan of John William. But this video butchered it.
The trailers had a definite flow to them, making them seem very fluid. This video just jumbled miscellaneous bits of footage and slapped them together. I really wonder if any of Lucas' people had anything to do with making this video, as it is of rather substandard quality for them.
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I'm in the middle of doing a computer speech mini-project at my company. After many, many times of going down to the computer room and finding printers jammed and communications errors unchecked due to our operators not hearing the warning beeps over the noise of the computer room, we came up with a solution.
We were in desperate need of re-writing our network/database/communications monitoring software, so I figured...why not add voice to it? So I added a soundcard and speakers to the new system, and used some text-to-speed software. Result? Pissed off operators!
Printer alert! Printer 1 is jammed!
Communications alert! Dialer 2 is hung!
Printer alert! Printer 2 is out of paper!
Oh well...at least the printer's don't sit around jammed for more than 1 minute now =)
Using this analogy (copying a recorded TV show being a verbatim copy versus lecture notes being a student's impression/interpretation of a lecture), wouldn't this bill also be analogous to banning movie reviews being published in commercial publications?
Either way, it's A Bad Thing (TM) to ban crap like this. Our country's forefathers are rolling in their graves right now.
Hell, their is every possibility that the storyboards were totally fake to begin with, and this is all a disinformation campaign.
Anyone else here remember Return of the Jedi being 'leadked' and later marketed briefly as "Revenge of the Jedi"? I even have a copy of the trailer for the movie under that name somewhere...
And, from what I remember, this happened with the other Star Wars movies as well...So don't let yourselves believe that this means the storyboards were real. They likely weren't.
This is an idea I've been throwing around for a long time now, and have planend it a bit, but not used it.
First off, I planned on two interfaces. One would be a modified version of the myriad of CGI based software for building playlists. You can't get more cross-platform than a web page, although in my case that isn't needed (all machines in my house run Linux primarily).
The other interface was going to be X10 based. Both their MouseRemotes or any of their wall-panel type devices would work well.
I've tinkered a lot with IBM's free ViaVoice software RTK/SDK's under Linux, and it is far better than any other TTS I've tried, including Lucent's online setup. I was going to make a voice readout interface for the remote controls.
As for hardware, I was going to do the same...a simple, central machine, with a crapload of sound cards in it.
In my personal case, I'll probably do this with my current system when I 'retire' it. K62/450, 128MB ram. I intend to get a 60GB maxtor for it (only $269 each locally, and I get 21.4MB/s transfers on it on a Gigabyte slot-A MB at work), and also use it as my central NFS server for other purposes.
Has their been any legal precedence set yet in terms of prosecuting offenders for denial of service attacks?
If so, why not charge RIAA, MPAA, and others that file frivilous lawsuits for denying citizens expedient use of public services (the legal system)?
(Yes, I know the article does state that it is the MP3Board suing AOL and completely understand the irony of it...but everyone here keeps bringing up RIAA over and over again =)
Most people here are NOT confusing NDA's and non-competes. They are worried that if they chose to go to a competitor instead, they become the target or conduit for legal issues between the themselves or the two companies.
Company A makes widgets. You interview with them under NDA, but go to company B instead. A month later, company B starts making their own widgets (which has nothing to do with you). Company A can put you through the legal blender claiming you violated your NDA.
Ages ago, I took trips from San Antonio to Waco. Along the way, we'd pass through the broadcast for the University of Texas in Austin's campus radio station. If we were lucky, we'd pass through at the right time to hear their comedy hour.
I miss it...They used to play stuff like "Seven hillbillies in a haunted house," and "God told me to rob the 7-Eleven". I have NEVER found any tune I heard on that station ANYWHERE else. I'd seriously consider an act of maiming or other carnage for a chance to hear some of them again =)
Many school districts have public funds set aside for work programs for students. During my senior year, the school hired me (2 hours, 2 class periods out of the day) doing computer repair work. During the summer, I was hired for a full 40 hours/week running our computer lab. Due to the nature of the work, I was making about $6 an hour, while everyone else under the program (usually people on the verge of dropping out, who spent their time picking up trash and such) made minimum wage. I even remember being told to make certain I never told anyone else in the program what I was making to avoid retaliation by them =P.
It was good work, good experience, was usable on my resume, and better yet helped me get more financially prepared for college.
As for work OUTSIDE the school districts, if you are part of a dual credit/AP course that is officially though a local university, you might try seeing if they can provide you with any part time work.
There is only one real solution that would actually HURT Microsoft, and break their 'domination.'
Ban Microsoft from every using the name 'Microsoft' again, in any form or fassion. Microsoft is NOT about good software, or services, or whatever market they have their hands dipped into that week. Microsoft is a name and a marketting empire. Microsoft probably has five times more marketters and lawyers than they do programmers or tech support.
Keep in mind that one of the only pieces of software that Microsoft ever wrote--completely on their own--was Bob. That's right, Bob. Every other piece of software has originated from a collaboration (i.e. MS and IBM for Windows), buying up the software (DOS), buying out the company that makes it (most of the Office suite, I believe), or just stealing it.
Microsoft is about marketting, not innovation.
Let's make a quick comparison here. RIAA and the courts are saying that because Napster is being used to transmit illegal material, it is responsible for the actions of it's users. We have to be honest that this is the only intent and purpose of Napster, but that is aside from the point. Napster CAN be used legally, but it is the responsibility of the end user to see to it they obey the law.
For the comparison, let's take gun manufacturers. Guns have only one purpose--too kill. Please note that I AM in favor of the right to bare arms, but this a valid point. Gun manufacturers are NOT held accountable for the actions of their customers. The addage that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is perfectly valid.
This very point is a contradiction. I'd say that the Napster lawyers should use this as a point of defense, citing past cases against gun manufacturers.
On the otherhand, RIAA could argue about the tabacco manufacturers--but that is not as valid because that concerns blatent lying by tabacco concerns about the addictiveness and hazards of smoking. Irrelevent.
If you want another real kick, check out his wife's web site and look at her Coups de Gueule pages. Yes, she really is that brutally honest.
Hey if any of you nutcases from Blucher read this, check in once in a while...haven't heard from you guys in a while!
- Brad Hartin
G3-H4 (white king)
Not checkmate. Try double-checking your board--unless you made a mistake in your transcript of moves above. This is probably a good possibility considering the line 'F2-F4 (white king's pawn)' is a paradox--F2 is white king's bishops pawn.
I'm in charge of a rather large communications system (between a central office, several warehouses, and a few hundred stores). We are now in the process of porting everything, lot stock & barrel, to new hardware and new OS (SCO 5).
A) The *original* system was done on a UNISYS mainframe. Hence the initial style of this pile of rubbish.
B) Half the system is in a 4GL language, written by programmers that were learning the language for the first time.
C) Half the system was written in shell scripts. They were originally plain bourne shell (yuck), and some kind soul decided to convert them all to Korn. Unfortunately, that consisted mainly of changing the #! line. Utterly worthless.
D) Raw SQL is sprawled all throughout this stuff. The statements for executing each of these SQL scripts varries in ways you can't imagine.
E) Three-quarters of this code is on 13 different HP-UX boxes. Very old HP boxes.
F) The rest is on old SCO 3.x/4.x boxes, which were never properly installed to begin with (they core dump every time you try to shutdown the system). There is no way in hell I'm ever trying to re-install them. Never.
G) The entire system consists of about 500 shell scripts, 70 or so 4GL programs, and several hundred SQL scripts -- many of which are dynamically modified and executed by said shell/4GL programs.
H) I'm only about the fifth person to be put in charge of this code since it was written. Nobody with any experience in it works here any longer.
I think I'm going to learn to tie a noose this week =)
Hey, I resent them mentioning these beauties! I love using nested ternaries. Strange no body else does, but I actually think they are quite usable.
Then again, I don't get much opportunity to use them these days...damn 4GL gibberish =)
From what I've heard (word of mouth), AMD is getting an amazingly low scrap rate on the K7's. So much, in fact, that they have been able to drop prices and not affect their profit margin. This also means more chips for do-it-yourselfers. Originally, I heard that AMD wouldn't even *consider* selling to VAR's until at least December. As of a month ago, several local places have them, and at reasonable prices--not to mention about 25% less than those aluminummines =P
> So AMD had to stick with the Socket370(?) form (which was the non-proprietary Pentium Pro socket.)
AMD has used the 'Socket 7' and 'Super Socket 7' sockets up until now.
>AMD (or somebody) created the Slot A socket which is suprisingly(not!) similar to Slot 1 but not compatible.
Slot A is dimentionally the same as Slot 1 (hence saving motherboard manufacturers money and resources), but uses the EV6 bus architecture, which was designed for the Alpha CPU's. EV6 allows for a 200Mhz system bus, scaling upwards of 400Mhz now on many Alpha motherboards. I think they're aiming for 600Mhz now.
Keep in mind that Intel is still struggling just to get up to a 133Mhz bus.
PS: This is only one bus, from one aspect..the entire system's buses aren't running at 200Mhz, but the capability is there for at least that speed between CPU and memory. Sorry, I'm not an engineer =)
Anyone considered looking for an obvious pattern, such as Amazon or crypto? Pick up values based on position in alphabet, look at the differences, and compare those and look for a pattern.
I was there a few weeks ago, on the dual DS-20 Redhat machine, and even ended up in a talk session with the root user there for well over an hour (wish I could find his email so I could get his name...).
When I first talked with him, I mentioned that I was surprised Slashdot hadn't caught wind of it, though Freshmeat had. I then got to read the root user begging me not to post it here, as he wasn't nearly prepared for it =) Due to the results I'll mention in following, I quickly lost interest in it.
The machine was fairly impressive, but had obvious problems. Compiling was practically impossible as it crashed errors reminicent of a severely overheated CPU. Either that, or they had some major code problems. I only tried out gcc compiling kernels, and never did try out Compaq's compiler.
For years now, the Alpha's have reigned supreme as the absolute best CPU around, despite it's age. If only Compaq or one of the licensee companies, such as Samsung (I believe Intel and a few others have rights to produce the chips as well) would just pump out the chips and eat the losses for a year or so, the x86 architecture would be obsolete in probably 2-4 years. According to the man I spoke to, Compaq was about to start doing exactly that with the less expensive DS-10 chips.
Also, he said they would have a contest soon to win a free DS-10 based machine. I know Compaq has done some publicity on it, but basically it's a contest to write software to best demonstrate the abilities of an Alpha processor versus an x86. Or, at least, that was that I was told a few weeks ago.
Still dreaming of having a quad-81364/2Ghz machine on my desk in a couple years.... [drool]...
I wrote some software a couple years ago using USR voice modems (it was a public number, call up, choose a number from the menu, and have some weather data for one of our stations read back to you). It was done in perl, with out own simple module for doing basic handling. If you don't want to try your hand at it yourself, I'm sure there are several modules out there for it (several have suggested Expect.pm so far).
That program was done in a total of about 150 lines for the main portion of it, and another 100-150 lines in our communications module.
I've moved on, and haven't called it in over a year, but if you are ever in the Corpus Christi, TX area, try it out--it should be at (512) 992-WIND (Windinfo, service of the Conrad Blucher Institute for Surveying Science, Division of Nearshore Research).
PS: It was the joke survey on shift key usage...I assume each person's group of metamod comments is random? Or is it the same group of 10 for everyone to metamod?
Back in high school (I worked for the school district doing computer work), I spent a couple months refitting a bunch of NSA-donated machines. They were 286's, with dual 360k floppies, and 80MB hard drives, complete with stickers on board stating that the machines were not approved for storage of classified information. And to think that was only around 1995 or so....how's that for the 'cutting edge' NSA?
Vrallis
Nice catch. I was only running version 0.46 (not even a full week ago when I got it from the official site). BTW, 50 hours was for 7 blocks, not one (K6-2-450/128MB/Linux 2.2.9).
Vrallis
I've put in about 50 hours of processing time or so under the Linux version so far, receiving 7 blocks up to this point. I have yet to show any results being posted to SETI@Home. I do have an outfile.txt (running around 1.5k so far). After the database came back up, I even tried to get back in using setiathome -login and logging back in. Does the outfile have to reach a 'critical mass' before being sent?
Vrallis
cd /lib/modules; rm default; ln -s 2.2.9 default
If I remember right, I've seen parts of Redhat's init scripts that look like they'd be related to fixing this symlink, but I've never really looked into it.
The moment I read this (in Texas, 7:30 CST), I rushed to my DSS and flipped to Much music...the second it started. Thanks for the info, Alan!
I can see making Natalie Portman's voice deeper to make her seem older, perhaps, but they made it TOO deep. And while the new footage was wonderful, there was much too little of it =)
As for the music? I heard it a while back (one of the lucky few whose hunt of the 'net was successful), and while I love it, it will take some getting used to. I've always been a big fan of John William. But this video butchered it.
The trailers had a definite flow to them, making them seem very fluid. This video just jumbled miscellaneous bits of footage and slapped them together. I really wonder if any of Lucas' people had anything to do with making this video, as it is of rather substandard quality for them.