Private industry is not held to the same hiring standards as public government, for exactly this reason. It is not illegal in most states for a private business owner to discriminate against job applicants over a wide range of issues, from physical fitness to religious affiliation to even political affiliation. OTOH: it is illegal for government to do the same, especially to filter applicants on political grounds for permanent staff positions (political appointees are different and can be partisan).
You may disagree with this law. OK, contact your representative and ask that he sponsor a bill repealing these provisions. However, it is currently law and members of the executive clearly broke that law knowingly and with intent. Is that the kind of behavior you expect from your elected leaders?
I'm done with party politics. The leadership of both political parties have shown that they are willing to trade the legal principals of our founding fathers for short-term political gain. The parties have acted to retain their own power and authority at the expense of our Bill of Rights. This is simply unacceptable.
But the solution cannot be found in insular political organization. That is, organized liberals cannot fix this. Nor can organized conservatives. The only solution here is for the population of liberals and conservatives to realize they have a greater sense of purpose by opposing the GOP/DNC lock on national politics. Political enemies must become friends in order to oust the real enemy of freedom. And they have a lock on all the power the state can muster.
I sadly believe that our republic has already fallen, and the "great experiment" is now over.
I don't consider him a loony because of his words, period. I also don't expect you to "believe" my account, in the sense that it is worth considering as a relevant document on the subject. My experience was personal. IMO, without multiple witnesses and/or instrument recordings of the event, it is not worth pursuing.
But there are many such examples of events with multiple credible witnesses - often military pilots, multiple simultaneous RADAR returns from multiple vectors, infrared and optical film / video, and detection of ionizing radiation around so-called 'physical traces.' In my book, that's evidence.
I have absolutely no idea what this phenomena is. But I believe it to be real, physical, and so thoroughly outside the norms of human culture that general society - even government officials - have no context with which to knowledgeably speculate. I think the real secret of a government UFO conspiracy is that seventy years after having noticed them during WWII, world governments - the US included - have absolutely no idea what's causing these sightings. But if you believe government records published by FOIA requests, then without a doubt UFO phenomena in and around nuclear military installations has deeply concerned governments around the world. And they can't stop it.
IMO: our airspace is not under our control. And we have no idea who - if anyone - is doing it, what the consequences of this phenomena might be, or even why this is the case - as there is no factual evidence to back-up any hypothesis of origin. IOW: I recognize the ETH (extra-terrestrial hypothesis) has no backing evidence as yet. But I also don't discount it.
In most of these cases, a flying object with physical form - generally a silver/metallic disc shaped object - that moves seemingly without concern for the laws of inertia. Further, numerous examples exist where the military planes and ground radar have painted these objects, they were witnessed by multiple people at once, and on approach they appeared to have taken evasive maneuvers to avoid contact.
This is in the US public record from FOIA requests, though there are plenty of non-US examples where the foreign government has been more open to answering questions. For example: the governments of Brussels, France, and Brazil have all published reports on military sightings with multiple witnesses and air/ground RADAR returns. I recommend reading the French government's COMETA Report, if you don't believe this.
I'm not here to argue that aliens are driving UFOs in Earth airspace. I'm here to argue that at least some so-called UFOs - metallic disc shaped objects - show all the hallmarks of being physical objects: they return RADAR signals, and have been recorded returning from multiple angles with multiple RADAR transmitters simultaneously (thus ruling out atmospheric effects as a cause); multiple people have sighted them; daylight nose-camera footage exists from US fighter planes exists; multiple highly competent witnesses have viewed the same event from multiple angles.
I don't know what this phenomena is, but one thing I believe for sure is that it is not an illusion, a misunderstanding, or a fraud. Something real is happening. And I don't know what that something is.
Oh no. Aliens could have easily found us with nothing more than a very large optical telescope and some spectral analysis. And if they're in space, an interferometer might even give them a pretty photograph of our planet.
I'm not too worried about television broadcasts any longer. Any intelligent aliens close enough to receive our radio waves will have long since learned of our existence via astronomical instruments.
I didn't see a "light in the dark", I saw a silver disc shaped object in broad daylight. I'm not much interested in those unidentified objects that can easily be explained, or that lack enough context or data to be explainable. I'm much more interested in events with clear sightings, multiple witnesses, and instrument recordings of the event.
Many such incidents like that have occurred and are in the public record.
My position is that many highly credible people with military backgrounds keep saying similar stuff as has Mr. Cooper. For this reason, I don't discount it. But I have never seen an alien, nor has anyone credible ever given me private information to confirm Mr. Cooper's statement.
This is what it means to not know. Perhaps aliens are buzzing Earth; perhaps not. But I do not insult nor demean astronaut Cooper because of what he claims. I listen to him. I find it particularly relevant that he has continued making these statements for decades, and further, these statements have increased as he nears death. That's a most interesting fact.
Finally, here is an account of the only UFO I've witnessed:
But that experience completely changed my view on the subject. I saw one, personally. And I am convinced that what I saw was a physical object under intelligent control. That's all I know.
I said nothing of the sort. He claims to have witnessed a briefing on the subject. I do know that he has said this. I wasn't present at that briefing and do not know what happened there or what was said.
And to the slashdot editors: the time limits on posting make it *impossible* to hold a debate on/. now. Most sucky.
That's not true. Many astronauts claim to have witnessed UFOs either in space or while flying military aircraft. Some examples: Gordon Cooper; Donald Slayton; Robert White; Joseph Walker; and both Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman witnessed an object while in orbit together.
Perhaps they're all wrong. Or conspiracy theorists. Or just plain nuts. But if they're all nuts, then they shouldn't be called "flight-ready" now should they?
He landed on the moon. He has actually been in space, unlike you or me. Further, he has been making these claims for decades. Now, he could be wrong - but your analysis is made of pure bias and no facts whatsoever. I'll take his direct claims - right or wrong - over your nonfactual bias any day. -M
I did. The problem is that the article referenced is right on the narrow facts listed within it, but wrong on the outcome. IOW: You've linked to a strawman, of course it's "right".
By quaffing civil investigations, there is no discovery of documents or testimony that proves criminal conduct. Without discovery, there is no criminal investigation. Without that investigation, the result is criminal immunity without ever formally having voted on it.
I've left the Democratic Party and I won't vote for Obama any longer. Both parties are completely irresponsible and don't deserve any support. Further, I'd support general strikes and mass protests to demand our supposed "inalienable rights" back. They've been alienated from me, a citizen, and I'm pissed off about that.
I have sent off my registration form and am now officially "unenrolled". I'll not donate to the Democrats any longer. And I certainly won't vote for Obama, who may have voted for Dodd's amendment but clearly supported this constitutional obscenity.
No more political parties. Its time to boot both Democrats and Republicans from governance. Both party leaderships have proven themselves utterly corrupt.
The project has $ billions sunk into it already and international partners who will be most unhappy if the US can't allocate a shuttle mission to launch this baby to the ISS. Unfortunately, the article didn't list which missions had been selected. In fact, it didn't say much at all.
Not accurate. It earns me a living and also costs my employer many salaries. My employer and me are not alone. So, I guess that means my time is worth something and Linux is definitely not free beer. In fact, I can prove that! I have an old Yggdrasil CD here covered in beer, and none of that wonderful bubbly nectar in my mouth.
I'll have a hell of a lot more respect for Linus after he's bought me a beer.
He was a constitutional law professor. When professors speak, I listen. If that's gullibility, I'll accept that kind of gullible. It's better than attentively considering Rush Limbaugh's meaningless words. Though, it would appear, the outcome is the same.
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Private industry is not held to the same hiring standards as public government, for exactly this reason. It is not illegal in most states for a private business owner to discriminate against job applicants over a wide range of issues, from physical fitness to religious affiliation to even political affiliation. OTOH: it is illegal for government to do the same, especially to filter applicants on political grounds for permanent staff positions (political appointees are different and can be partisan).
You may disagree with this law. OK, contact your representative and ask that he sponsor a bill repealing these provisions. However, it is currently law and members of the executive clearly broke that law knowingly and with intent. Is that the kind of behavior you expect from your elected leaders?
Call me when the Democrats care about our Bill of Rights again. Until then, as far as I'm concerned they are the same on the issues that truly matter.
I'm done with party politics. The leadership of both political parties have shown that they are willing to trade the legal principals of our founding fathers for short-term political gain. The parties have acted to retain their own power and authority at the expense of our Bill of Rights. This is simply unacceptable.
But the solution cannot be found in insular political organization. That is, organized liberals cannot fix this. Nor can organized conservatives. The only solution here is for the population of liberals and conservatives to realize they have a greater sense of purpose by opposing the GOP/DNC lock on national politics. Political enemies must become friends in order to oust the real enemy of freedom. And they have a lock on all the power the state can muster.
I sadly believe that our republic has already fallen, and the "great experiment" is now over.
I don't consider him a loony because of his words, period. I also don't expect you to "believe" my account, in the sense that it is worth considering as a relevant document on the subject. My experience was personal. IMO, without multiple witnesses and/or instrument recordings of the event, it is not worth pursuing.
But there are many such examples of events with multiple credible witnesses - often military pilots, multiple simultaneous RADAR returns from multiple vectors, infrared and optical film / video, and detection of ionizing radiation around so-called 'physical traces.' In my book, that's evidence.
I have absolutely no idea what this phenomena is. But I believe it to be real, physical, and so thoroughly outside the norms of human culture that general society - even government officials - have no context with which to knowledgeably speculate. I think the real secret of a government UFO conspiracy is that seventy years after having noticed them during WWII, world governments - the US included - have absolutely no idea what's causing these sightings. But if you believe government records published by FOIA requests, then without a doubt UFO phenomena in and around nuclear military installations has deeply concerned governments around the world. And they can't stop it.
IMO: our airspace is not under our control. And we have no idea who - if anyone - is doing it, what the consequences of this phenomena might be, or even why this is the case - as there is no factual evidence to back-up any hypothesis of origin. IOW: I recognize the ETH (extra-terrestrial hypothesis) has no backing evidence as yet. But I also don't discount it.
In most of these cases, a flying object with physical form - generally a silver/metallic disc shaped object - that moves seemingly without concern for the laws of inertia. Further, numerous examples exist where the military planes and ground radar have painted these objects, they were witnessed by multiple people at once, and on approach they appeared to have taken evasive maneuvers to avoid contact.
This is in the US public record from FOIA requests, though there are plenty of non-US examples where the foreign government has been more open to answering questions. For example: the governments of Brussels, France, and Brazil have all published reports on military sightings with multiple witnesses and air/ground RADAR returns. I recommend reading the French government's COMETA Report, if you don't believe this.
I'm not here to argue that aliens are driving UFOs in Earth airspace. I'm here to argue that at least some so-called UFOs - metallic disc shaped objects - show all the hallmarks of being physical objects: they return RADAR signals, and have been recorded returning from multiple angles with multiple RADAR transmitters simultaneously (thus ruling out atmospheric effects as a cause); multiple people have sighted them; daylight nose-camera footage exists from US fighter planes exists; multiple highly competent witnesses have viewed the same event from multiple angles.
I don't know what this phenomena is, but one thing I believe for sure is that it is not an illusion, a misunderstanding, or a fraud. Something real is happening. And I don't know what that something is.
The man acted bravely and with honor in his mission to the moon. None of his Apollo compatriots have claimed otherwise.
Oh no. Aliens could have easily found us with nothing more than a very large optical telescope and some spectral analysis. And if they're in space, an interferometer might even give them a pretty photograph of our planet.
I'm not too worried about television broadcasts any longer. Any intelligent aliens close enough to receive our radio waves will have long since learned of our existence via astronomical instruments.
I didn't see a "light in the dark", I saw a silver disc shaped object in broad daylight. I'm not much interested in those unidentified objects that can easily be explained, or that lack enough context or data to be explainable. I'm much more interested in events with clear sightings, multiple witnesses, and instrument recordings of the event.
Many such incidents like that have occurred and are in the public record.
Ten minutes per comment? Fuck off /.
My position is that many highly credible people with military backgrounds keep saying similar stuff as has Mr. Cooper. For this reason, I don't discount it. But I have never seen an alien, nor has anyone credible ever given me private information to confirm Mr. Cooper's statement.
This is what it means to not know. Perhaps aliens are buzzing Earth; perhaps not. But I do not insult nor demean astronaut Cooper because of what he claims. I listen to him. I find it particularly relevant that he has continued making these statements for decades, and further, these statements have increased as he nears death. That's a most interesting fact.
Finally, here is an account of the only UFO I've witnessed:
http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=48139&cid=4930168
But that experience completely changed my view on the subject. I saw one, personally. And I am convinced that what I saw was a physical object under intelligent control. That's all I know.
That's absolutely true. He could well be wrong, or even be lying. I don't know. But I do know that:
A) he is not the only astronaut to make these claims.
B) he has been making these claims for some time.
I said nothing of the sort. He claims to have witnessed a briefing on the subject. I do know that he has said this. I wasn't present at that briefing and do not know what happened there or what was said.
And to the slashdot editors: the time limits on posting make it *impossible* to hold a debate on /. now. Most sucky.
Are you going to make a factual argument, or just play little games of sophistry?
That's not true. Many astronauts claim to have witnessed UFOs either in space or while flying military aircraft. Some examples: Gordon Cooper; Donald Slayton; Robert White; Joseph Walker; and both Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman witnessed an object while in orbit together.
Perhaps they're all wrong. Or conspiracy theorists. Or just plain nuts. But if they're all nuts, then they shouldn't be called "flight-ready" now should they?
So said Occam. However, which of these alternatives is the least likely? And why?
He landed on the moon. He has actually been in space, unlike you or me. Further, he has been making these claims for decades. Now, he could be wrong - but your analysis is made of pure bias and no facts whatsoever. I'll take his direct claims - right or wrong - over your nonfactual bias any day. -M
How the hell do you know which is the truth?
I did. The problem is that the article referenced is right on the narrow facts listed within it, but wrong on the outcome. IOW: You've linked to a strawman, of course it's "right".
By quaffing civil investigations, there is no discovery of documents or testimony that proves criminal conduct. Without discovery, there is no criminal investigation. Without that investigation, the result is criminal immunity without ever formally having voted on it.
Ain't congress wonderful?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/7/20470/12276/237/547944
It went to the ACLU instead.
I've left the Democratic Party and I won't vote for Obama any longer. Both parties are completely irresponsible and don't deserve any support. Further, I'd support general strikes and mass protests to demand our supposed "inalienable rights" back. They've been alienated from me, a citizen, and I'm pissed off about that.
I have sent off my registration form and am now officially "unenrolled". I'll not donate to the Democrats any longer. And I certainly won't vote for Obama, who may have voted for Dodd's amendment but clearly supported this constitutional obscenity.
No more political parties. Its time to boot both Democrats and Republicans from governance. Both party leaderships have proven themselves utterly corrupt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Magnetic_Spectrometer
The project has $ billions sunk into it already and international partners who will be most unhappy if the US can't allocate a shuttle mission to launch this baby to the ISS. Unfortunately, the article didn't list which missions had been selected. In fact, it didn't say much at all.
Not accurate. It earns me a living and also costs my employer many salaries. My employer and me are not alone. So, I guess that means my time is worth something and Linux is definitely not free beer. In fact, I can prove that! I have an old Yggdrasil CD here covered in beer, and none of that wonderful bubbly nectar in my mouth.
I'll have a hell of a lot more respect for Linus after he's bought me a beer.
Yeah. Someone else made that point. I thanked him. However, I had this in mind when I wrote that:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/feb/20/court-turns-away-fisa-challenge/
He was a constitutional law professor. When professors speak, I listen. If that's gullibility, I'll accept that kind of gullible. It's better than attentively considering Rush Limbaugh's meaningless words. Though, it would appear, the outcome is the same.