Maybe the edition is limited because it is a heap of crap and Sony don't want to support too many of them???
Besides, why are they in business, to make $$$ or what, if I had a "decent" product and was in the business of selling it, what kind of lame-ass business strategy is it to only move 2000-3000 units when you could be shipping - and profiting from - millions!
I'll wait alright, Sony can email me when Hell freezes over...
To quote a great man, "You do not want to feel the wrath of my bunghole!" - Cornholio
Yet again - they come up with some cool tech, stuff you would love to play with - and what do they do, price it out of the reach of sensible human beings.
Their marketing staff must be idiots, instead of selling a couple of thousand units in total to the priviledged few, they could have made them cheaper (and you can't tell me there's any real cutting edge stuff inside it!), sold a whole sh#tload WORLDWIDE and subsequently made a killing, after all - isn't that why most people are in business, to make money - I wonder what Sony shareholders think of stupidity like this.
When the desktop guys and the window manager folks remember the reason we all got on the Linux "Train", to escape the cutthroat commercialism and proprietary ransom of the M$ monopoly and it's shoddy products, I am sure they will get back on the right track and form at least a defacto standard, then we can have the best of all products, and as you say, that will make it "stupid simple" and Linux will begin to assimilate desktops like it already has done to servers worldwide.
Oooh, I can hear it now: "We are the Penguins, your workstation will adapt to service us, resistance is futile..."
I'm not sure if I would go so far as to say wm works "fine" with kde, it works, yes, but it really doesn't integrate into the kde environment as seamlessly as the default kwm (nor would you expect it to). I've found that even using the versions of wm with the kde extensions added it noticeably detracts from the performance and stability of the environment.
I have no doubt that this will change with time - as all things do - but my experience is that quite often with products in the constant flux of development, which definitely applies to both kde and gnome, the default really is the way to go, unless you really want to be on the bleeding edge, in which case you are sacrificing stability for individuality.
You don't really think that any magazine, online or paper based, always conducts the level of testing they say they claim to - do you???
I *personally* know of a well respected paper based IT magazine in Australia that frequently publishes tests on hardware and software the staff have never seen - written purely from the information in Press Releases...
I think that you should take your own advice before claiming that anyone else is making "Fundamental Assumptions", after all, religion is the number one Fundamental Assumption of all time!
You have no proof that any god exists, yet you foolishly continue to ascribe feats and events to him as if they were historical fact. You fanatics can't even agree on the nature of your own god.
You are so caught up in your own dogma that you can't see the truth! Why does it scare you so much to entertain the notion that someone else could be right, and that we may be (and most likely are) not be the only sentient race in this vast universe. Are you so insecure in your corporeal existence that it worries you to think that you may indeed not be some god's unique little monkey after all?
If you are as intelligent as you seem to think you are - use your brain and you will see that the only logical deduction is that given the astronomical number of stars and systems that exist in the universe, of which we have discovered but a few, surely there must be life on some of them, and of these surely some of the life forms must have evolved sufficiently (they have after all had as much or more time than us) to form some semblance of a social structure, definitely meeting the criteria for sentience.
You fanatics are so ignorant, you cannot be argued with, you are right in your own mind and that is it, no matter what contradictory evidence is introduced. It is precisely this attitude that has caused countless wars in our recorded history alone!
Let's just hope that when (not if!) we do make contact with extraterrestrial races they have evolved sufficiently to have extinguished religious fanatacism, or someone help us if they don't agree with your idea of god's plan, and you fanatics decide to exercise your "god given" right to a holy war.
Keep the religion off/. - lets just stick to the facts eh?
In Australia, there is a guy who clearly labels his letter box and invoices people and businesses $75 per hit for his time incurred having to attend to their physical junk mail. He is well within his legal rights to do this, and is making a tidy sum from it. (Not to mention discouraging time wasters!)
Maybe thinking like this could be applied to spammers, after all, they are in many instances taking up our valuable time, and bandwidth which as someone else mentioned, we do have to pay for.
You know what it sounds like to me - FUD, pure and simple.
He does the same thing every time - I remember a quote from the same BG when in the eighties he was asked about the concept of a GUI (Apple etc) vs DOS, his words were along the lines of "there will never be a place in a serious office for a Graphical User Interface!" - then wham-bam out comes MS Windows. I wonder what hypocrisy he will pull on the world next? "Winux"???
I hate to rain on your "politically correct" parade pal, but that was not a "good post"! It was neither relevant to the topic or objective enough to be an interesting diversion.
Propaganda and fostering socio-cultural bias will never be of interest to people of even mild intellect.
This is slashdot - not rec.fanatic.loony
I give credit for a good post where it is due, but it isn't due here!
DVD - now there's another example of crappy tech being pushed on us at the expense of better stuff.
Why do IT companies jump on the wrong bandwagon every time. Why can't we have decent (RW) MO and MD drives at a decent price? I do suspect it is so they can keep the media RO to reduce piracy, but when will they learn that people are smart and will circumvent these pitiful attempts anyway.
And you know what I reckon Sony can do with their memory sticks...that's right, jam them fair up their buttholes with considerable insertion force!
I did not say at any stage that they were tapping into the signals from the phone itself, merely the system in general. Fact is, I don't know for sure at what level they do it and don't claim to know.
All I do know is that the inauguration of the digital cellular system *was* delayed worldwide until the collective "secret" service (a joke in itself!) organisations could find a way to hack the system - this is an acknowledged, and sad, fact.
I would also wager that this will happen again and again, until personal privacy takes precedence over government prying! If they expect us to be forthcoming with them, why aren't they more honest with us?
Just like digital cellular phones (which we should have had 3 years before we did!) we won't see this tech until the world wide thought police - insert you local federal government's organisation of choice here - are issued (most likely by the manufacturers, as they usually don't have the hacking skills) with a means to invade our collective privacy in yet another way.
If someone was indeed crazy enough to take on one of these "thin" machines, I feel it would be a case of caveat emptor - let the buyer beware!
You may just end up with a rebadged DOS 3.3 - Thats the only compact and stable codebase Microbloat ever had, and they have after all proven themselves to be an environmentally conscious company before - look how many times they've recycled the WinBloats95 engine!!! Woo-Hoo -Windows 2000 Personal Edition, or is it Win95 osr5? It's hard to tell from this distance!
I'll be happy with Linux, thanks all the same fella's, at the rate it's evolving M$ may just have to go into the (X)Window Manager business, or start pinching the code from Gnome and KDE, just to keep Bill in pies...
Those idiots at Sony R & D are nothing but big kids, they have the toys and they won't share!
They tout new tech all of the time, and they don't do much in the way of getting it produced at reasonable prices - just look at the minidisc, if they got off their arses they could make a huge impact in the IT industry with it, but no, they are stuffing around as usual whilst we are stuck with floppy's, cd's and zip media, nowhere near as effective as minidisc (650Mb rw on one of those tiny critters sounds ok to me!).
Then there is their attitude to the entertainment robot (as seen on/.) they have fully working prototypes but no plans to mass produce and market - are they dumb or what? Sony would make a killing selling them to geeks alone!
I don't know what the story is with the Sony marketing strategy, it appears to be along the lines of "alienate the customer at all costs" -"promise stuff and never deliver" and "we've got one and you haven't - na, na!"
I have tried to email them on several occasions to enquire about tech stuff they propose and never seem to market, but they are consistent - no reply!!! They just don't seem to give a stuff!
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Check the gnome.org homepage and you should find a link to some precompiled.debs made by one of the Debian guys, they work, and are an admirable effort - but until Gnome really put their heads together with more of the distro's (not just RH!) we will have to wait for the official Debian Packages.
P.S. (FYI) I have a friend who is a *dedicated* Gnome user - he saw kde 1.1 the other day and his words were, and I quote, "Sometimes I don't know what the F@#$ am I doing struggling with Gnome when I could be using kde without the hassles?"
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The Internet could be well summed up with a little snipit from the Star Trek Universe:
IDIC
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. (Vulcan Saying)
It's as diverse and dynamic as the nature of people themselves.
Maybe the edition is limited because it is a heap of crap and Sony don't want to support too many of them???
Besides, why are they in business, to make $$$ or what, if I had a "decent" product and was in the business of selling it, what kind of lame-ass business strategy is it to only move 2000-3000 units when you could be shipping - and profiting from - millions!
I'll wait alright, Sony can email me when Hell freezes over...
To quote a great man,
"You do not want to feel the wrath of my bunghole!" - Cornholio
Yet again - they come up with some cool tech, stuff you would love to play with - and what do they do, price it out of the reach of sensible human beings.
Their marketing staff must be idiots, instead of selling a couple of thousand units in total to the priviledged few, they could have made them cheaper (and you can't tell me there's any real cutting edge stuff inside it!), sold a whole sh#tload WORLDWIDE and subsequently made a killing, after all - isn't that why most people are in business, to make money - I wonder what Sony shareholders think of stupidity like this.
The mind boggles, I wonder where said cable might plug in on the dog's anatomy???
I agree totally!
When the desktop guys and the window manager folks remember the reason we all got on the Linux "Train", to escape the cutthroat commercialism and proprietary ransom of the M$ monopoly and it's shoddy products, I am sure they will get back on the right track and form at least a defacto standard, then we can have the best of all products, and as you say, that will make it "stupid simple" and Linux will begin to assimilate desktops like it already has done to servers worldwide.
Oooh, I can hear it now:
"We are the Penguins, your workstation will adapt to service us, resistance is futile..."
Yep, tried it dude, same deal, it does work, but not to the standard of integration I expect from a Window Manager within the kde environment...
:-)
0.53 does work nicely by itself though, but I think that's missing the point
I'm not sure if I would go so far as to say wm works "fine" with kde, it works, yes, but it really doesn't integrate into the kde environment as seamlessly as the default kwm (nor would you expect it to). I've found that even using the versions of wm with the kde extensions added it noticeably detracts from the performance and stability of the environment.
I have no doubt that this will change with time - as all things do - but my experience is that quite often with products in the constant flux of development, which definitely applies to both kde and gnome, the default really is the way to go, unless you really want to be on the bleeding edge, in which case you are sacrificing stability for individuality.
You don't really think that any magazine, online or paper based, always conducts the level of testing they say they claim to - do you???
I *personally* know of a well respected paper based IT magazine in Australia that frequently publishes tests on hardware and software the staff have never seen - written purely from the information in Press Releases...
Try this url:
www.stardivision.com
Get your free personal edition of StarOffice 5.01 for Linux, there's enough in this little baby to keep even the most devout M$ Office addict happy...
You bible-bashers make me laugh!
/. - lets just stick to the facts eh?
I think that you should take your own advice before claiming that anyone else is making "Fundamental Assumptions", after all, religion is the number one Fundamental Assumption of all time!
You have no proof that any god exists, yet you foolishly continue to ascribe feats and events to him as if they were historical fact. You fanatics can't even agree on the nature of your own god.
You are so caught up in your own dogma that you can't see the truth! Why does it scare you so much to entertain the notion that someone else could be right, and that we may be (and most likely are) not be the only sentient race in this vast universe. Are you so insecure in your corporeal existence that it worries you to think that you may indeed not be some god's unique little monkey after all?
If you are as intelligent as you seem to think you are - use your brain and you will see that the only logical deduction is that given the astronomical number of stars and systems that exist in the universe, of which we have discovered but a few, surely there must be life on some of them, and of these surely some of the life forms must have evolved sufficiently (they have after all had as much or more time than us) to form some semblance of a social structure, definitely meeting the criteria for sentience.
You fanatics are so ignorant, you cannot be argued with, you are right in your own mind and that is it, no matter what contradictory evidence is introduced. It is precisely this attitude that has caused countless wars in our recorded history alone!
Let's just hope that when (not if!) we do make contact with extraterrestrial races they have evolved sufficiently to have extinguished religious fanatacism, or someone help us if they don't agree with your idea of god's plan, and you fanatics decide to exercise your "god given" right to a holy war.
Keep the religion off
What are you trying to say?
Well, just a thought perhaps.
In Australia, there is a guy who clearly labels his letter box and invoices people and businesses $75 per hit for his time incurred having to attend to their physical junk mail. He is well within his legal rights to do this, and is making a tidy sum from it. (Not to mention discouraging time wasters!)
Maybe thinking like this could be applied to spammers, after all, they are in many instances taking up our valuable time, and bandwidth which as someone else mentioned, we do have to pay for.
For goodness sake don't give them any ideas - they are into us too deep as it is!
:-)
You worship a Web Server - and a crappy one at that!
:-)
You know what it sounds like to me - FUD, pure and simple.
He does the same thing every time - I remember a quote from the same BG when in the eighties he was asked about the concept of a GUI (Apple etc) vs DOS, his words were along the lines of "there will never be a place in a serious office for a Graphical User Interface!" - then wham-bam out comes MS Windows. I wonder what hypocrisy he will pull on the world next? "Winux"???
And they say history never repeats...
I hate to rain on your "politically correct" parade pal, but that was not a "good post"! It was neither relevant to the topic or objective enough to be an interesting diversion.
Propaganda and fostering socio-cultural bias will never be of interest to people of even mild intellect.
This is slashdot - not rec.fanatic.loony
I give credit for a good post where it is due, but it isn't due here!
Yeah, was that just an April Fools joke or what???
DVD - now there's another example of crappy tech being pushed on us at the expense of better stuff.
Why do IT companies jump on the wrong bandwagon every time. Why can't we have decent (RW) MO and MD drives at a decent price? I do suspect it is so they can keep the media RO to reduce piracy, but when will they learn that people are smart and will circumvent these pitiful attempts anyway.
And you know what I reckon Sony can do with their memory sticks...that's right, jam them fair up their buttholes with considerable insertion force!
I did not say at any stage that they were tapping into the signals from the phone itself, merely the system in general. Fact is, I don't know for sure at what level they do it and don't claim to know.
All I do know is that the inauguration of the digital cellular system *was* delayed worldwide until the collective "secret" service (a joke in itself!) organisations could find a way to hack the system - this is an acknowledged, and sad, fact.
I would also wager that this will happen again and again, until personal privacy takes precedence over government prying! If they expect us to be forthcoming with them, why aren't they more honest with us?
Just like digital cellular phones (which we should have had 3 years before we did!) we won't see this tech until the world wide thought police - insert you local federal government's organisation of choice here - are issued (most likely by the manufacturers, as they usually don't have the hacking skills) with a means to invade our collective privacy in yet another way.
They're like cockroaches aren't they, those little sons-of-bitches! Just when you think they are extinct they raise their heads again.
Perhaps after a nuclear holocaust they will be the only thing to survive??? Scary!
Aren't you six days late for a comment like that?
If someone was indeed crazy enough to take on one of these "thin" machines, I feel it would be a case of caveat emptor - let the buyer beware!
You may just end up with a rebadged DOS 3.3 - Thats the only compact and stable codebase Microbloat ever had, and they have after all proven themselves to be an environmentally conscious company before - look how many times they've recycled the WinBloats95 engine!!! Woo-Hoo -Windows 2000 Personal Edition, or is it Win95 osr5? It's hard to tell from this distance!
I'll be happy with Linux, thanks all the same fella's, at the rate it's evolving M$ may just have to go into the (X)Window Manager business, or start pinching the code from Gnome and KDE, just to keep Bill in pies...
>:-)
Those idiots at Sony R & D are nothing but big kids, they have the toys and they won't share!
/.) they have fully working prototypes but no plans to mass produce and market - are they dumb or what? Sony would make a killing selling them to geeks alone!
They tout new tech all of the time, and they don't do much in the way of getting it produced at reasonable prices - just look at the minidisc, if they got off their arses they could make a huge impact in the IT industry with it, but no, they are stuffing around as usual whilst we are stuck with floppy's, cd's and zip media, nowhere near as effective as minidisc (650Mb rw on one of those tiny critters sounds ok to me!).
Then there is their attitude to the entertainment robot (as seen on
I don't know what the story is with the Sony marketing strategy, it appears to be along the lines of "alienate the customer at all costs" -"promise stuff and never deliver" and "we've got one and you haven't - na, na!"
I have tried to email them on several occasions to enquire about tech stuff they propose and never seem to market, but they are consistent - no reply!!! They just don't seem to give a stuff!
Check the gnome.org homepage and you should find a link to some precompiled .debs made by one of the Debian guys, they work, and are an admirable effort - but until Gnome really put their heads together with more of the distro's (not just RH!) we will have to wait for the official Debian Packages.
P.S. (FYI) I have a friend who is a *dedicated* Gnome user - he saw kde 1.1 the other day and his words were, and I quote, "Sometimes I don't know what the F@#$ am I doing struggling with Gnome when I could be using kde without the hassles?"