Move by Intel to try to kill FireWire?
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USB2 Specs Are In
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I believe that I read somewhere (MacWEEK? The Register?) that USB 2.0, which isn't even being developed beyond a spec, was a move by Intel to try to squash FireWire for some reason. My memory fails me as to where I read that article. It was speculative, not stating it as fact, but it said basically what the comment said: not really being developed, just announced. What sort of practice does this remind you of? (Answer: MS in the 1980s and early 90s.)
We have enough trouble getting USB 1.16 to work under Linux.. don't need to mess with 2.0.
October 7, 1999 -- Pasadena, CA -- Scientists were stunned to discover the tasty cheese flavor of Bugles brand snacks in a galaxy forming deep in the Milky Way. The most compelling revelation: we can find great cheesy flavor almost anywhere in the universe.
"This is a real breakthrough in snackonomy," said Gerald Swoboda, senior astronomer at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "Not only that, but it solves the burning issue: what did Mike Nelson eat during all those years on the Satellite of Love? If Bugles form naturally in outer space, we can only dream of what else may discovered."
In his 1975 book "The Artificial Flavor of the Universe," science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke forsaw this very event. "While there may be diamonds falling to the core of the outer gas giants of our solar system, imagine wholesome, filling showers of Ho-Hos or Ding Dongs. These delicous, tempting snack cakes are formed under much the same conditions as outer space diamonds."
Until this day, we didn't know just how right Clarke was.
NASA is planning on launching a deep space probe to the nearby Magellenic Cluster to find out if it too is packed full of nutty goodness and giant interstellar squirrels that all-too-cleverly steal mankind's galactic breakfast cereal.
Sir, I was ranking on the iMac keyboard. I love Apple's old keyboards! The Apple II Plus was my favorite.. the case made this cool ringing sound when you'd strike the keys.
I _miss_ my old Apple Ext. kbd. (the "aircraft carrier"). The current flimsy Kensington I have is hell on my fingers. Getting a Kenisis soon anyway.:)
Not booting Linux and the Return of the Mac 128
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New iMac Rolled Out
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Well, word is that they don't boot Linux for now. They have an all-new chip set that we need to adapt to. We'll do it, though.:) For now, though, they don't boot. So if you have a significant other that's thinking about getting an iMac but doesn't want you trying to put Linux on it, you're all set -- they're impervious for now.;)
Also, anyone else notice that these are kind of like a much more expandable Mac 128?
- Crappy keyboard;) - Built-in monitor - No fan
OTOH, the iMac is almost infinitely more expandable and capable, with 100BT Ethernet, FireWire, and DVD.:)
An Apple exec (Shiller, forgot his title) has proclaimed that Mac OS X (Server, Client) will not be ported to the CHRP boxes by Apple.
Their loss.
Again, Apple has given up a major opportunity to expand their base, and still have time to reverse their decision. But, like that article says, if we get in there with our cheap CHRP boxes running LinuxPPC, will Apple have anywhere to grow?
That they said "No MOSX on CHRP" does indicate that it was discussed at a high level. That's good. What will change their minds is money. If they can make money (lots) off of it, they'll do it. The casual observer will probably say that by not doing it, they're going to lose money. Lots of it.
Put in your email address, and the system will send you an email with the status of your order.
Best,
Our experience with LinuxPPC Lite
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Linux Lite?
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We (LinuxPPC Inc.) used to have a "lite" version of LinuxPPC R4, our old glibc-1.99 distro. Lite was a minor debacle..
First, it was hard to install. I actually can't remember why at this point, but it rarely seemed to work.
It was hard to figure out what needed to be in, and what people would want, and still give it a small footprint. The final cut was a 104 MB distro that could be installed into as little as 30 or 50 MB. But really, you can do that with R4 anyway. I installed from an R4 CD onto a Zip disk. I had Apache running, but no X. It was slow, but it worked!
Then there was LinuxPPC Live, which was an all-in-one distro similar to the recently announced "DemoLinux". Live consisted of a big fat ramdisk.image.gz file and a bigger, fatter live.filesystem file.
Now, the problem with Live was that to make it small enough to fit on demo CD-ROMs and Zip disks, we had to (again) do a lot of cutting, which made it semi-useless. You could set up a PPP dialup with netcfg (kppp was a buggy pile of junk at the time, and of no use). But, if you booted it off a CD, it took forever to boot, and it couldn't save any settings.
Linux on PowerPC still has to contend with users who have HFS Extended formatted drives. HFS Extended, or HFS+, is a more efficient disk format than Apple's original HFS, the Heirarchical File System. (Anyone else remember MFS?) Most Macs now ship with HFS+ formatted HDs, and Linux can't boot from a live filesystem on an HFS+ disk.
Live worked better than Lite, but only slightly. I never had problems with it (that is, it booted, it ran), but it just wasn't usable for much.
The good news is that doing Live provided a lot of solid R&D ground for us to do our current release's installer on. LinuxPPC 1999 (and the new Q3) can boot right from the CD-ROM, into Linux, into X, and into the installer. And it's all under the GPL. C'mon, Caldera! You made such a big deal about releasing Lizard under a semi-open license.. let's see you go all the way.;)
Live as a standalone distribution isn't a totally dead concept, though. It's got a lot of merit, and it's served nicely as a proof of concept for the live filesystem. It's not perfect, definately not ideal for power users, but it's a good way to get people into Linux with a minimum of fuss.
Re: Sawtooth: It'll be a while. It _will_ work eventually, but not right away. There's a lot of new chips on there that will need working on, so we're going to buy a few and send them to the best of the best out there.:) I don't have an ETA.
I'll mention your comment to Steve the next time we seem him.;) (e.g., the next Macworld party)
The 400 Mhz boxes should be running pretty shortly after they're out. The processor already can run Linux, and the patches are making their way to the right people.
We tried 'em. They work.:) We've had a few machines for a few months now, so we've been playing with 'em like mad -- and making sure Linux runs on 'em. Helping with the ROMs, for instance, and just doing general stress testing. The existing boards are rock-solid!
An SGI programmer asked me if we were hiring while we were at Linuxworld. Apparently it's gotten so bad that people would rather work for us than SGI! Scary.;-)
crack is running LinuxPPC 1999 (glibc2.1, kernel 2.2.whatever). It's a default LPPC 1999 install, except telnet and httpd are active. Those are turned off by default in normal installs.
Trust me. It really is stock, but with additions. The truly stock install has no httpd or telnet services running. So, you're right. Kinda.;) The stock install includes X.
We haven't done anything to enhance its security. Bare box, running Linux and a few services. I'll ask Jeff if X is running on it.
crack is running LPPC 1999, the current glibc 2.1-based distro. it's a plain installation from the cd-rom, with the X-based installer. only difference is that telnet's been enabled; it's not on in the default install.
I still have nightmares about disassembling those and 8500s to install RAM in them at my old job.
*yank out logic board*
*cringe* at sound of board bending wayyyy too far..
They're still pretty sweet boxes, especially if you upgrade 'em with a G3 and USB and.. hmm.. you could probably buy a new Blue G3 at that point and get the same stuff at the same price with a new warranty.;)
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I believe that I read somewhere (MacWEEK? The Register?) that USB 2.0, which isn't even being developed beyond a spec, was a move by Intel to try to squash FireWire for some reason. My memory fails me as to where I read that article. It was speculative, not stating it as fact, but it said basically what the comment said: not really being developed, just announced. What sort of practice does this remind you of? (Answer: MS in the 1980s and early 90s.)
We have enough trouble getting USB 1.16 to work under Linux.. don't need to mess with 2.0.
October 7, 1999 -- Pasadena, CA -- Scientists were stunned to discover the tasty cheese flavor of Bugles brand snacks in a galaxy forming deep in the Milky Way. The most compelling revelation: we can find great cheesy flavor almost anywhere in the universe.
"This is a real breakthrough in snackonomy," said Gerald Swoboda, senior astronomer at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "Not only that, but it solves the burning issue: what did Mike Nelson eat during all those years on the Satellite of Love? If Bugles form naturally in outer space, we can only dream of what else may discovered."
In his 1975 book "The Artificial Flavor of the Universe," science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke forsaw this very event. "While there may be diamonds falling to the core of the outer gas giants of our solar system, imagine wholesome, filling showers of Ho-Hos or Ding Dongs. These delicous, tempting snack cakes are formed under much the same conditions as outer space diamonds."
Until this day, we didn't know just how right Clarke was.
NASA is planning on launching a deep space probe to the nearby Magellenic Cluster to find out if it too is packed full of nutty goodness and giant interstellar squirrels that all-too-cleverly steal mankind's galactic breakfast cereal.
Sir, I was ranking on the iMac keyboard. I love Apple's old keyboards! The Apple II Plus was my favorite.. the case made this cool ringing sound when you'd strike the keys.
:)
I _miss_ my old Apple Ext. kbd. (the "aircraft carrier"). The current flimsy Kensington I have is hell on my fingers. Getting a Kenisis soon anyway.
Well, word is that they don't boot Linux for now. They have an all-new chip set that we need to adapt to. We'll do it, though. :) For now, though, they don't boot. So if you have a significant other that's thinking about getting an iMac but doesn't want you trying to put Linux on it, you're all set -- they're impervious for now. ;)
;)
:)
Also, anyone else notice that these are kind of like a much more expandable Mac 128?
- Crappy keyboard
- Built-in monitor
- No fan
OTOH, the iMac is almost infinitely more expandable and capable, with 100BT Ethernet, FireWire, and DVD.
Their loss.
Again, Apple has given up a major opportunity to expand their base, and still have time to reverse their decision. But, like that article says, if we get in there with our cheap CHRP boxes running LinuxPPC, will Apple have anywhere to grow?
That they said "No MOSX on CHRP" does indicate that it was discussed at a high level. That's good. What will change their minds is money. If they can make money (lots) off of it, they'll do it. The casual observer will probably say that by not doing it, they're going to lose money. Lots of it.
We'll see. Our ball!
MkLinux runs on the 6100-series. http://www.mklinux.org/. We also put it on the LinuxPPC 1999 CD-ROMs. :)
How about sending them to me, instead of the ng, which I don't have much time to read? :)
It's Bochs, the x86 emulator.
The manual is on the CD in PDF format.
You can check on your order online right now.
https://order.linuxppc.com/status/
Put in your email address, and the system will send you an email with the status of your order.
Best,
We (LinuxPPC Inc.) used to have a "lite" version of LinuxPPC R4, our old glibc-1.99 distro. Lite was a minor debacle..
;)
First, it was hard to install. I actually can't remember why at this point, but it rarely seemed to work.
It was hard to figure out what needed to be in, and what people would want, and still give it a small footprint. The final cut was a 104 MB distro that could be installed into as little as 30 or 50 MB. But really, you can do that with R4 anyway. I installed from an R4 CD onto a Zip disk. I had Apache running, but no X. It was slow, but it worked!
Then there was LinuxPPC Live, which was an all-in-one distro similar to the recently announced "DemoLinux". Live consisted of a big fat ramdisk.image.gz file and a bigger, fatter live.filesystem file.
Now, the problem with Live was that to make it small enough to fit on demo CD-ROMs and Zip disks, we had to (again) do a lot of cutting, which made it semi-useless. You could set up a PPP dialup with netcfg (kppp was a buggy pile of junk at the time, and of no use). But, if you booted it off a CD, it took forever to boot, and it couldn't save any settings.
Linux on PowerPC still has to contend with users who have HFS Extended formatted drives. HFS Extended, or HFS+, is a more efficient disk format than Apple's original HFS, the Heirarchical File System. (Anyone else remember MFS?) Most Macs now ship with HFS+ formatted HDs, and Linux can't boot from a live filesystem on an HFS+ disk.
Live worked better than Lite, but only slightly. I never had problems with it (that is, it booted, it ran), but it just wasn't usable for much.
The good news is that doing Live provided a lot of solid R&D ground for us to do our current release's installer on. LinuxPPC 1999 (and the new Q3) can boot right from the CD-ROM, into Linux, into X, and into the installer. And it's all under the GPL. C'mon, Caldera! You made such a big deal about releasing Lizard under a semi-open license.. let's see you go all the way.
Live as a standalone distribution isn't a totally dead concept, though. It's got a lot of merit, and it's served nicely as a proof of concept for the live filesystem. It's not perfect, definately not ideal for power users, but it's a good way to get people into Linux with a minimum of fuss.
Does the Tivo _run_ Linux, or could it just theoretically run Linux since it's using an embedded PPC?
Curiously,
Re: Sawtooth: It'll be a while. It _will_ work eventually, but not right away. There's a lot of new chips on there that will need working on, so we're going to buy a few and send them to the best of the best out there. :) I don't have an ETA.
;) (e.g., the next Macworld party)
:)
I'll mention your comment to Steve the next time we seem him.
Later,
jase
Good man. ;)
The 400 Mhz boxes should be running pretty shortly after they're out. The processor already can run Linux, and the patches are making their way to the right people.
And just wait until there's multi-CPU G4 boards. Oh, baby!
:)
We know the G4 already can run linuxppc. now we just need the boxes.
We tried 'em. They work. :) We've had a few machines for a few months now, so we've been playing with 'em like mad -- and making sure Linux runs on 'em. Helping with the ROMs, for instance, and just doing general stress testing. The existing boards are rock-solid!
An SGI programmer asked me if we were hiring while we were at Linuxworld. Apparently it's gotten so bad that people would rather work for us than SGI! Scary. ;-)
I believe the next version of gcc is supposed to have rudimentary 750 optimization built in. It's better than nothing. :)
crack is running LinuxPPC 1999 (glibc2.1, kernel 2.2.whatever). It's a default LPPC 1999 install, except telnet and httpd are active. Those are turned off by default in normal installs.
Trust me. It really is stock, but with additions. The truly stock install has no httpd or telnet services running. So, you're right. Kinda. ;) The stock install includes X.
We haven't done anything to enhance its security. Bare box, running Linux and a few services. I'll ask Jeff if X is running on it.
crack is running LPPC 1999, the current glibc 2.1-based distro. it's a plain installation from the cd-rom, with the X-based installer. only difference is that telnet's been enabled; it's not on in the default install.
I still have nightmares about disassembling those and 8500s to install RAM in them at my old job.
;)
*yank out logic board*
*cringe* at sound of board bending wayyyy too far..
They're still pretty sweet boxes, especially if you upgrade 'em with a G3 and USB and.. hmm.. you could probably buy a new Blue G3 at that point and get the same stuff at the same price with a new warranty.
I've been collating articles and various observations at
:) Please don't confuse them. ;)
www.linuxppc.com/crack/,
which is not the same as the crack target server, crack.linuxppc.org.
We _do_ want to take over the world, but we're going to share the spoils with our friends. ;-)
LinuxPPC is the distribution. Linux/PPC is the general project. :)