In the interest of tooting our own horn,;) LinuxPPC 1999 ships with three installers: an X-based installer, the traditional Redhat installer, and a text-only no-frills Perl script that is the back end of the X installer.
The X installer isn't as fully fleshed out as Caldera's, but combined with the Mac OS side installer, it's very very easy to use. The newer versions have improved installation success rates, and future versions will have advanced features like language support.
I've used both the X installer and the RedHat installer on my machines, and they both work fine as long as you avoid Xconfigurator like the plague. Xautoconfig works fine (for me).
> > The Yellow Dog site also cites lower power consumption with 20 G3s than 20 Pentiums, due to the far more power-efficient PowerPC. How useful is this in reality? I don't know.
Not very. Performance matters, and that paper about clustering PPCs says it's not very high on PPC, unfortunately.
An Australian research team clustered a bunch of iMacs, and the results were sad. Intel and Alpha boxes trounced the iMacs. The iMacs weren't designed for that sort of application, either, but it points out some major problems with using PPC (currently) for that sort of application -- at least on the iMac.
As my good friends at The Register pointed out in this article, down in the depths of the page, it says:
"Why don't we address the int'l and accessibility point?"
Yes, why don't they? Hmm.
The Register also scores mega points with me for pointing out that those nice folks at ZDNet probably don't make the best unbiased observers in the world.
That's understatement. But then, The Register is so deliciously good at that.
IMO, it's not the games, or the movies. It's that parents don't care and get involved in their children's lives. They think involvement is getting a bigger SUV to protect their children from those evil bastards with small, fuel-efficient foreign cars. (e.g. me.) Or getting filtering software. NO!
The Ministry song "So What" sampled an old movie about teenage violence, which said "When children grow up among adults who refuse to recognize or teach them.. respect.." (or something like that.)
The problem is not with the games. Yeah, they might be too violent. Yeah, TV might be violent. But I bet the same people filing these frivolous, dangerous lawsuits soak up that same glorious TV violence and abuse of others on TV.
I've been reading Pat Califia's stuff lately. IN her book "Public Sex", she rails on Dworkin. Curiously, she points out, Madonna's "Sex" book wasn't prevented from being shipped into Canada, but some of Califia's books were, and (get this), so were some of Dworkin's!
People who are trying to radicalize and keep disassociating make me angrier than anything M$ does. This case is dangerous because of these reasons. And IMO, the real problem isn't video games. It isn't porn. it's the lack of parental guidance, oversight.
Not constant vigilance and passive nonsense like filtering software, but active monitoring of what the child's playing with. That is to say, the parent should be with the child as they learn about the world. Don't hide the real world from them. That only makes it work when they inevitably discover what it really is.
Anyway. Reading Califia has been really eye-opening, especially as a well-off white guy. I don't agree with everything she says, but I've learned a lot about marginalized people's lives and how people like Dworkin only make it worse for them. How does it protect children to stop informative newsletters and magazines that can help educate people about HIV?
Repression hurts everyone, especially in times like these when repressing information can get people killed, directly or indirectly.
Probably had better sound than when I saw 'em in 94. For some reason, where I was in the stadium caused the sound to be really muddy.:( It was very depressing!
-- haaz, who didn't have that problem Ministry shows for some reason..
...is everything out there mostly sucks, IMO.:) Unless you're an NYSNC/Backstreet Boys/Five/Britney Spears fan.
No thank you!
iMacs are still a pain...
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...because they're so unexandable, unless you format the drive immediately after you get it, you have to wipe out what's there. You can't attach a Jaz drive to back everything up, or to install Linux on.
On the plus side, the video is slowly getting faster, and three-button mice are available for them, which is good, since right now you have to use the one-button mouse with the "=" and "[clear]" keys on the numeric keypad to emulate middle and right click!
I find it very ironic that Ransom Love, CEO of Caldera, is taking RedHat to task for using "closed business practices". Caldera bundles more non-GPL software with its distribution than any other company in the Linux industry!
What exactly are "closed business practices", or "open business practices" for that matter?
Sometimes it's necessary to run your business in a "closed" manner. Other things can be run right out in the open. How many "open" business practices does Ransom Love practice?
Actually, Apple has released one UNIX package and shipped a second. A/UX was Apple's UNIX for 68k Macs, which was around from the late eighties to the early 90s. Apple also shipped IBM's AIX on their Apple Network Server machines, which were big beautiful boxes. Unfortunately, they didn't sell well, and Apple cancelled them.
LinuxPPC made a lot of ANS owners happy when it started running on them.:)
So, Apple does have a past with UNIX -- one that always ended in cancellation...
Well, I'm assuming that they're running that on a high-end Blue G3. They can't compare LinuxPPC on a Blue G3 to MOSX on a Blue G3 because LinuxPPC can't *run* on the Blue G3s.
Steve specifically ignored LinuxPPC, in fact. Not surprising, since I know he knows we exist.
And if they ever announce specs of LinuxPPC on Blue G3s before we get them running, I'm gonna have to hurt people.
No problem.:) Re: 7200: check the linuxppc-user list.. there's been some talk about those boxes lately. Someone got it running with 2.2.1, I think. It's in the archives.
jase, REALLY putting down/. for a while now.. really.. i'm not addicted.. *facial tic*
1. It's not a LinuxPPC product. It's Synergy Microsystems'.
2. It's not a box.:) It's a VME board, designed for embedded applications. They go in a special chassis and sit on a rack. IOW, you won't see them on your desktop anytime soon. Maybe as a cool cube or rack device, though. (hint, hint.)
3. I wish Synergy would put up something about how much these things cost...
4. They're going to have a 433 MHz model available, too. (drool!)
Um. For the record, Apple didn't approach Applix about porting Applixware Office. Jeff Carr and I approached them at the 1998 Atlanta Linux Showcase, and a month and a half later, I was running a prerelease version of it on my PowerBook G3. Apple didn't have anything to do with it!
Their internal Linux development (MkLinux) was all but ended back when Apple bought NeXT. Almost everyone got moved onto the Rhapsody project. As for supporting Linux, they've debated it frequently but haven't settled on anything that I'm aware of.
Now that I've read the article, I can comment on it rather than the technology involved..
It states:
"After all, IBM just announced that its will be shipping and supporting Linux with its PPC server hardware."
IBM has made no announcements about Linux on PowerPC or RS/6000. There have been articles insinuating this, but there have been no announcements about it. IBM's only recent Linux announcement was about RedHat with their x86-based netfinity servers.
"If Apple ships Red Hat, it can benefit from the entire community of Linux programmers and of course Linux already has momentum in the server market."
LinuxPPC Inc. already ships a version Red Hat Linux for PowerPC computers. While we know Apple uses LinuxPPC internally, the upper management seems resistant to any official dealings with us or with Linux.
"IBM and Apple could even work together to optimize Linux for the power PC since IBM is already doing this. Apple would also get to run lotus notes and IBM's web sphere."
Again, IBM has made no announcements or formal plans for work on Linux/PPC.
The guy's got a point, but it's already happened. Whether or not it sees the light of day is a whole 'nother thought altogether.
Apparently someone inside Apple did it, and got his wrist slapped for it. It's not that technlogicly hard.
It'd probably be Mac OS X server running a "Linux server" which is just like what MkLinux is: the mach microkernel running a "Linux server". For this reason, many (including Linus, apparently) don't consider Mklinux a "real" Linux.
Someone will probably hack it to get this to happen even if Apple never tells anyone how.:)
haaz, wadin' in the water and waitin' for the flames..
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In the interest of tooting our own horn, ;) LinuxPPC 1999 ships with three installers: an X-based installer, the traditional Redhat installer, and a text-only no-frills Perl script that is the back end of the X installer.
The X installer isn't as fully fleshed out as Caldera's, but combined with the Mac OS side installer, it's very very easy to use. The newer versions have improved installation success rates, and future versions will have advanced features like language support.
I've used both the X installer and the RedHat installer on my machines, and they both work fine as long as you avoid Xconfigurator like the plague. Xautoconfig works fine (for me).
> > The Yellow Dog site also cites lower power consumption with 20 G3s than 20 Pentiums, due to the far more power-efficient PowerPC. How useful is this in reality? I don't know.
Not very. Performance matters, and that paper about clustering PPCs says it's not very high on PPC, unfortunately.
An Australian research team clustered a bunch of iMacs, and the results were sad. Intel and Alpha boxes trounced the iMacs. The iMacs weren't designed for that sort of application, either, but it points out some major problems with using PPC (currently) for that sort of application -- at least on the iMac.
The article is at:
http://www.dhpc.adelaide.e du.au/reports/065/abs-065.html.
Looks like that page was still in beta, at best.
As my good friends at The Register pointed out in this article, down in the depths of the page, it says:
"Why don't we address the int'l and accessibility point?"
Yes, why don't they? Hmm.
The Register also scores mega points with me for pointing out that those nice folks at ZDNet probably don't make the best unbiased observers in the world.
That's understatement. But then, The Register is so deliciously good at that.
-- h.
Do my taxes go to Microsoft instead of the US gov't now?
That would just make all kinds of sense..
still waiting for my tax return,
Grrr, I think they hit leisuretown.com as well.
LT is definately an adult online comic strip type site. You might find it insanely funny or completely offensive. UAYOR!
Anyway, he had this incredibly funny Dilbert parody stuff on there ("A Comedy Crisis")...
i write text. ;)
couldn't write a line of code to save my life, aside from some basic Perl. but i think i've even forgotten how to do that.
but, that's why i don't program. my calling's different.
What a sad and weak logo!
Comparing the two, I thought, "This logo [the cube] says we make cool, strong, powerful stuff. This new logo looks like someone sat on them."
Sad.
Good comments.
IMO, it's not the games, or the movies. It's that parents don't care and get involved in their children's lives. They think involvement is getting a bigger SUV to protect their children from those evil bastards with small, fuel-efficient foreign cars. (e.g. me.) Or getting filtering software. NO!
The Ministry song "So What" sampled an old movie about teenage violence, which said "When children grow up among adults who refuse to recognize or teach them.. respect.." (or something like that.)
The problem is not with the games. Yeah, they might be too violent. Yeah, TV might be violent. But I bet the same people filing these frivolous, dangerous lawsuits soak up that same glorious TV violence and abuse of others on TV.
I've been reading Pat Califia's stuff lately. IN her book "Public Sex", she rails on Dworkin. Curiously, she points out, Madonna's "Sex" book wasn't prevented from being shipped into Canada, but some of Califia's books were, and (get this), so were some of Dworkin's!
People who are trying to radicalize and keep disassociating make me angrier than anything M$ does. This case is dangerous because of these reasons. And IMO, the real problem isn't video games. It isn't porn. it's the lack of parental guidance, oversight.
Not constant vigilance and passive nonsense like filtering software, but active monitoring of what the child's playing with. That is to say, the parent should be with the child as they learn about the world. Don't hide the real world from them. That only makes it work when they inevitably discover what it really is.
Anyway. Reading Califia has been really eye-opening, especially as a well-off white guy. I don't agree with everything she says, but I've learned a lot about marginalized people's lives and how people like Dworkin only make it worse for them. How does it protect children to stop informative newsletters and magazines that can help educate people about HIV?
Repression hurts everyone, especially in times like these when repressing information can get people killed, directly or indirectly.
Probably had better sound than when I saw 'em in 94. For some reason, where I was in the stadium caused the sound to be really muddy. :( It was very depressing!
-- haaz, who didn't have that problem Ministry shows for some reason..
I really have to protest what they say on their "diffs" faq-- LinuxPPC does come with support from LinuxPPC Inc.
It's with EVERY CD we sell.
Plus, people can buy support from LinuxCare.
Nice FUD, YDL.
At least, you could with the bondi blue ones. :)
...is everything out there mostly sucks, IMO. :) Unless you're an NYSNC/Backstreet Boys/Five/Britney Spears fan.
No thank you!
...because they're so unexandable, unless you format the drive immediately after you get it, you have to wipe out what's there. You can't attach a Jaz drive to back everything up, or to install Linux on.
On the plus side, the video is slowly getting faster, and three-button mice are available for them, which is good, since right now you have to use the one-button mouse with the "=" and "[clear]" keys on the numeric keypad to emulate middle and right click!
So I asked, does that make me Steve Ballmer?
-- jase, who hopes never to be middle-aged, paunchy, and balding. At least not in the order.
I find it very ironic that Ransom Love, CEO of Caldera, is taking RedHat to task for using "closed business practices". Caldera bundles more non-GPL software with its distribution than any other company in the Linux industry!
What exactly are "closed business practices", or "open business practices" for that matter?
Sometimes it's necessary to run your business in a "closed" manner. Other things can be run right out in the open. How many "open" business practices does Ransom Love practice?
Actually, Apple has released one UNIX package and shipped a second. A/UX was Apple's UNIX for 68k Macs, which was around from the late eighties to the early 90s. Apple also shipped IBM's AIX on their Apple Network Server machines, which were big beautiful boxes. Unfortunately, they didn't sell well, and Apple cancelled them.
:)
LinuxPPC made a lot of ANS owners happy when it started running on them.
So, Apple does have a past with UNIX -- one that always ended in cancellation...
Well, I'm assuming that they're running that on a high-end Blue G3. They can't compare LinuxPPC on a Blue G3 to MOSX on a Blue G3 because LinuxPPC can't *run* on the Blue G3s.
Steve specifically ignored LinuxPPC, in fact. Not surprising, since I know he knows we exist.
And if they ever announce specs of LinuxPPC on Blue G3s before we get them running, I'm gonna have to hurt people.
No problem. :) Re: 7200: check the linuxppc-user list.. there's been some talk about those boxes lately. Someone got it running with 2.2.1, I think. It's in the archives.
/. for a while now.. really.. i'm not addicted.. *facial tic*
jase, REALLY putting down
A few things:
:) It's a VME board, designed for embedded applications. They go in a special chassis and sit on a rack. IOW, you won't see them on your desktop anytime soon. Maybe as a cool cube or rack device, though. (hint, hint.)
1. It's not a LinuxPPC product. It's Synergy Microsystems'.
2. It's not a box.
3. I wish Synergy would put up something about how much these things cost...
4. They're going to have a 433 MHz model available, too. (drool!)
Sir,
:)
We're still working on R5. This board isn't ours -- we're just showing it. Believe me, no one is more aware of R5's lateness than us.
Cheers,
Um. For the record, Apple didn't approach Applix about porting Applixware Office. Jeff Carr and I approached them at the 1998 Atlanta Linux Showcase, and a month and a half later, I was running a prerelease version of it on my PowerBook G3. Apple didn't have anything to do with it!
Their internal Linux development (MkLinux) was all but ended back when Apple bought NeXT. Almost everyone got moved onto the Rhapsody project. As for supporting Linux, they've debated it frequently but haven't settled on anything that I'm aware of.
Now that I've read the article, I can comment on it rather than the technology involved..
It states:
"After all, IBM just announced that its will be shipping and supporting Linux with its PPC server hardware."
IBM has made no announcements about Linux on PowerPC or RS/6000. There have been articles insinuating this, but there have been no announcements about it. IBM's only recent Linux announcement was about RedHat with their x86-based netfinity servers.
"If Apple ships Red Hat, it can benefit from the entire community of Linux programmers and of course Linux already has momentum in the server
market."
LinuxPPC Inc. already ships a version Red Hat Linux for PowerPC computers. While we know Apple uses LinuxPPC internally, the upper management seems resistant to any official dealings with us or with Linux.
"IBM and Apple could even work together to optimize Linux for the power PC since IBM is already doing this. Apple would also get to run lotus notes and IBM's web sphere."
Again, IBM has made no announcements or formal plans for work on Linux/PPC.
The guy's got a point, but it's already happened. Whether or not it sees the light of day is a whole 'nother thought altogether.
Apparently someone inside Apple did it, and got his wrist slapped for it. It's not that technlogicly hard.
:)
It'd probably be Mac OS X server running a "Linux server" which is just like what MkLinux is: the mach microkernel running a "Linux server". For this reason, many (including Linus, apparently) don't consider Mklinux a "real" Linux.
Someone will probably hack it to get this to happen even if Apple never tells anyone how.
haaz, wadin' in the water and waitin' for the flames..