why would you get keys out of your pocket? Fobs for years have not needed that. Hell, even my harley doesn't need it. Just be near the car, you can unlock the door. Be in the car, you can start the car with a button push. Fob stays in your pocket/purse/backpack/whatnot.
Great, but will it ever come with anything that will ever use the Eye? I feel like that thing should be a class-action lawsuit, almost (yes, I was one of the original purchasers who bought a bundle that came with an Eye)
oh, and on the "robs/hurts you" bit - your argument was for a travel of a couple blocks. If you're too out of shape to walk 2 blocks, the mugger is going to catch up with you anyway. With your swarms of taxis on the road that are so prolific there is always one right next to you ready to go, traffic won't be moving well thus the mugger can just walk along side you the two blocks and get ya then. Also, that means you live in an area where muggings occur, so 2-block-taxis or no, you're gonna get beat up at some point.
so...your future utopia involves the roads being cram-packed with driverless taxis just waiting to pick up someone for a 2 block walk? You don't think Manhattan isn't already cram-packed with taxis now? Do you really, *really* think the main reason - or even a minor reason, for more than just a handful of people - that people walk 2 blocks instead of calling a taxi to drive them 2 blocks, is that they'd have to wait for the taxi? Err...ok. No sense arguing with you, if that's the case. Is a taxi going to drive you to your desk in the office, too?
Ok - pedestrians, bicycles, animals, and...the backwards compatibility issue. Sure, that bit could eventually work itself out, but even if you mandated all new cars to be driverless by 2017, you'll still have a majority of the cars of the road for years to come be older than that and not have such tech. So you're just going to say people can no longer ride motorcycles or drive old cars? Really think that will fly? Not any time soon. So unless they're talking about some distant future where there are alternate crossing spaces for non-cars, and old cars have been phased out in such a way that everything is already driverless and we're just finally killing off stoplights some decades after the fact, then sure...but won't we have flying cars by then anyway?:)
that doesn't make sense. People can just hop in a non-driverless-car not and go a couple blocks away. It also ignores big cities like manhattan, where most people don't own a car - driverless or no.
Planet is overpopulated anyway. And if the humanity that remains 100 years from now is so stupid it would have watered plants with gatorade, maybe it won't be so bad for robots to be running everything for them.
The "too big to fail" stuff isn't just for banks anymore, I guess. But this didn't work out too well for AOL, in the end - people wised up. Maybe as society starts to care about privacy and security, they'll wise up about facebook too?
As someone with Parkinsons that already has enough problems using modern phones since they all want to do guestures and hover crap, and it has to be turned off per-app, can't be globally (at least, on android), how about a big fark you. I don't need someone telling me my smile isn't an adequate smile at 2am, just because I can't really control my face.
After years of fighting SCO, and seconds after winning, they...do this? As others have said, the patents are reasonable to an extent. What isn't reasonable is not defending them for so long, then suing a blink before they expire.
That's the thing - the people who don't understand what the problem is - and this is absolutely not meant as an insult in any way - don't *understand* what the problem is. They don't get that the whole community, and UNIX in general, was founded on KISS. I should be able to start in single user mode, and step through each thing along the way until the thing that breaks breaks, and fix it. But I can't really do that anymore - sure, systemd is ignorable when everything is working, but when it isn't, then one has to wonder why the 1 second I saved on bootup was necessary. Further - I'm not angry at anything. I'm simply saying that blaming Redhat for systemd is silly, when they weren't the first major distro to replace init (not by a long shot) and it's not like every other major distro hasn't also done the same now. Init wasn't broken, but the replacements are - they don't behave properly, LP is an ass, they break fundamental principles of the community, they make things complicated what should be simple, they decrease stability, they make things more complicated, and all to...make bootup a second or two faster. Err...what why huh? Now I can't even have a functional system unless I've mounted/usr, and sometimes even/var, of all things. Bloody hell, why? Not everything needs to be Windows, where things work at a basic level but can't be troubleshot deeply if anything goes wrong - if the tradeoff to not needing experts is to make something even experts can't easily fix, then you've only lost out, not gained.
do you not get context? systemd, talk about doing it just to speed up boot time, yet I'm still waiting on my system to initialize anyway (regardless whether I have a desktop screen, it's worthless without a network). Do you not remember what init is, or does that simply predate you?
ps - just in case you weren't aware, upstart predates systemd by like, 4 years. And pss, I've been a UNIX admin for 20 years (well, I'm a bit past it now for a while). A fresh, unmolested install of a newbie distro (like fedora) shouldn't require effort to make it happy. That I'll be back to a from-scratch system sometime in a week or two is also irrelevant. The larger point is that one shouldn't just point the finger at redhat for this - pretty much all major distros are using systemd now. And your gentoo example (which I did use for a year or two, many years ago)? Also not using init anymore.
have you volunteered with any of the other distros? They're all going to systemd. With all the problems that could be fixed, init still isn't one of them. Installed Fedora just to see what it's like these days - my laptop starts up fast unless it crashes, but then I have to sit staring at it for a minute or so until the network port icon indicates it's finished. Yay! Hope I didn't want to bind any services to that IP...except, I'll actually do something about it, by going back to a system which doesn't use systemd. And I'll help out with that poettering-free system, and make my voice heard during planning. And want to blame someone? Blame Ubuntu for being the first to "solve" a problem that didn't exist.
Went to Catalina Island for a few days this week and on the way there, saw a sign that is repeated on this website: "Due to the lithium ion batteries Hoverboards are ILLEGAL to transport upon Catalina Express." Disregarding cameras, cell phones, watches, pacemakers, blah small electronics etc, anyone who has been to Catalina knows cars are scarce there (it's a 30 year waiting list to get a car permit) and everyone drives golf carts - which more and more use large lithium ion batteries now. I thought the sign to be really funny, yet sad (obviously). Hoverboards aren't banned because of the lithium-ion batteries, they're banned because they're 90degrees off and they're not hovering. Errr...they're banned because they were very cheaply manufactured, and have safety problems.
that they couldn't effectively execute one of their people-as-a-product initiatives, and didn't close it for moral reasons as you say, is all the more reason they can't claim that moral highground. I'm also not sure how much it's worth defining things which you know what they mean, especially if you're going to sink to insults.
Let's make sure we agree on a couple things - or at least, that we understand from where each other are coming. First, companies aren't people. They have no feelings, no thoughts. They are run by people. Those people have feelings, thoughts. Second, the top execs of Apple have remained unchanged for several years now. So you either blame the fading people-as-products stuff on Saint Steve, or you blame it on Cook. Take your pick there, I suppose - but keep in mind that Cook has been head for going on 5 years now. So going back...where did I lose you? The same people who ran the company when it did something, run it now, so how can you claim that those people have a moral highground as taking a stand against such things? Once I see Apple actually and actively take a stand against people-as-a-product, I'll grant them the respect they rightly deserve for that. For now though, they've actively taken actions to put themselves in the people-as-a-product camp.
Apple is just an electronics, software, and people-as-a-product company. They make money off you being a product - less so than facebook and google, sure, but they still do.
Apple is claiming a moral highground as a company - if they were worried about US citizens they wouldn't do a lot of the things they do. I don't see how liberties of the two companies are relevant to the highground they're claiming.
The number of registered cars doesn't mean that's the number of cars actively driven as a primary car. Think Jay Leno, for instance...he's only driving one of those things at a time. There are only 322m people in the US, a large chunk of that are people who can't drive due to age or physical disabilities. Then remove the 2.4m in prison. Then a large chunk of the remainder are people who can't because of access or affordability. Take Manhattan, for instance - of the 100 or so decently well off people I know that live in Manhattan, only a couple of them own a car. So point being, 500thousand cars is actually a significant number. Stop letting facebook numbers pollute your thinking (ie, facebook counting me as 2-5 facebook users during the day, even though I don't have a facebook account I created for myself)
*shakes tiny fist of rage* Hmm, well, yeah, I guess there is that. However, GMT is an actual timezone, and while the numbers might look the same, they're not reached the same way - one is converted, the other is not. But yeah, fine....you win...*this* time. But I'll be watching you.
please tell me you're kidding. Do you not know what UTC is? Does your logging software not know what UTC is? I mean fark, syslog does utc by default, is this some stupid lennart poettering thing again? Did he re-write syslog because it didn't do message queueing, and now you can't turn on the kitchen sink without logstart running, and it doesn't know what UTC is?
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why would you get keys out of your pocket? Fobs for years have not needed that. Hell, even my harley doesn't need it. Just be near the car, you can unlock the door. Be in the car, you can start the car with a button push. Fob stays in your pocket/purse/backpack/whatnot.
Great, but will it ever come with anything that will ever use the Eye? I feel like that thing should be a class-action lawsuit, almost (yes, I was one of the original purchasers who bought a bundle that came with an Eye)
oh, and on the "robs/hurts you" bit - your argument was for a travel of a couple blocks. If you're too out of shape to walk 2 blocks, the mugger is going to catch up with you anyway. With your swarms of taxis on the road that are so prolific there is always one right next to you ready to go, traffic won't be moving well thus the mugger can just walk along side you the two blocks and get ya then. Also, that means you live in an area where muggings occur, so 2-block-taxis or no, you're gonna get beat up at some point.
so...your future utopia involves the roads being cram-packed with driverless taxis just waiting to pick up someone for a 2 block walk? You don't think Manhattan isn't already cram-packed with taxis now? Do you really, *really* think the main reason - or even a minor reason, for more than just a handful of people - that people walk 2 blocks instead of calling a taxi to drive them 2 blocks, is that they'd have to wait for the taxi? Err...ok. No sense arguing with you, if that's the case. Is a taxi going to drive you to your desk in the office, too?
Ok - pedestrians, bicycles, animals, and...the backwards compatibility issue. Sure, that bit could eventually work itself out, but even if you mandated all new cars to be driverless by 2017, you'll still have a majority of the cars of the road for years to come be older than that and not have such tech. So you're just going to say people can no longer ride motorcycles or drive old cars? Really think that will fly? Not any time soon. So unless they're talking about some distant future where there are alternate crossing spaces for non-cars, and old cars have been phased out in such a way that everything is already driverless and we're just finally killing off stoplights some decades after the fact, then sure...but won't we have flying cars by then anyway? :)
that doesn't make sense. People can just hop in a non-driverless-car not and go a couple blocks away. It also ignores big cities like manhattan, where most people don't own a car - driverless or no.
Planet is overpopulated anyway. And if the humanity that remains 100 years from now is so stupid it would have watered plants with gatorade, maybe it won't be so bad for robots to be running everything for them.
The "too big to fail" stuff isn't just for banks anymore, I guess. But this didn't work out too well for AOL, in the end - people wised up. Maybe as society starts to care about privacy and security, they'll wise up about facebook too?
That is a subject line worthy of being changed. Just sayin - you're helping spread his hate.
As someone with Parkinsons that already has enough problems using modern phones since they all want to do guestures and hover crap, and it has to be turned off per-app, can't be globally (at least, on android), how about a big fark you. I don't need someone telling me my smile isn't an adequate smile at 2am, just because I can't really control my face.
After years of fighting SCO, and seconds after winning, they...do this? As others have said, the patents are reasonable to an extent. What isn't reasonable is not defending them for so long, then suing a blink before they expire.
That's the thing - the people who don't understand what the problem is - and this is absolutely not meant as an insult in any way - don't *understand* what the problem is. They don't get that the whole community, and UNIX in general, was founded on KISS. I should be able to start in single user mode, and step through each thing along the way until the thing that breaks breaks, and fix it. But I can't really do that anymore - sure, systemd is ignorable when everything is working, but when it isn't, then one has to wonder why the 1 second I saved on bootup was necessary. Further - I'm not angry at anything. I'm simply saying that blaming Redhat for systemd is silly, when they weren't the first major distro to replace init (not by a long shot) and it's not like every other major distro hasn't also done the same now. Init wasn't broken, but the replacements are - they don't behave properly, LP is an ass, they break fundamental principles of the community, they make things complicated what should be simple, they decrease stability, they make things more complicated, and all to...make bootup a second or two faster. Err...what why huh? Now I can't even have a functional system unless I've mounted /usr, and sometimes even /var, of all things. Bloody hell, why? Not everything needs to be Windows, where things work at a basic level but can't be troubleshot deeply if anything goes wrong - if the tradeoff to not needing experts is to make something even experts can't easily fix, then you've only lost out, not gained.
do you not get context? systemd, talk about doing it just to speed up boot time, yet I'm still waiting on my system to initialize anyway (regardless whether I have a desktop screen, it's worthless without a network). Do you not remember what init is, or does that simply predate you?
ps - just in case you weren't aware, upstart predates systemd by like, 4 years. And pss, I've been a UNIX admin for 20 years (well, I'm a bit past it now for a while). A fresh, unmolested install of a newbie distro (like fedora) shouldn't require effort to make it happy. That I'll be back to a from-scratch system sometime in a week or two is also irrelevant. The larger point is that one shouldn't just point the finger at redhat for this - pretty much all major distros are using systemd now. And your gentoo example (which I did use for a year or two, many years ago)? Also not using init anymore.
where did I say Ubuntu was the first (big distro) with systemd? I said it was the first to solve that non-existent problem.
have you volunteered with any of the other distros? They're all going to systemd. With all the problems that could be fixed, init still isn't one of them. Installed Fedora just to see what it's like these days - my laptop starts up fast unless it crashes, but then I have to sit staring at it for a minute or so until the network port icon indicates it's finished. Yay! Hope I didn't want to bind any services to that IP...except, I'll actually do something about it, by going back to a system which doesn't use systemd. And I'll help out with that poettering-free system, and make my voice heard during planning. And want to blame someone? Blame Ubuntu for being the first to "solve" a problem that didn't exist.
Went to Catalina Island for a few days this week and on the way there, saw a sign that is repeated on this website: "Due to the lithium ion batteries Hoverboards are ILLEGAL to transport upon Catalina Express." Disregarding cameras, cell phones, watches, pacemakers, blah small electronics etc, anyone who has been to Catalina knows cars are scarce there (it's a 30 year waiting list to get a car permit) and everyone drives golf carts - which more and more use large lithium ion batteries now. I thought the sign to be really funny, yet sad (obviously). Hoverboards aren't banned because of the lithium-ion batteries, they're banned because they're 90degrees off and they're not hovering. Errr...they're banned because they were very cheaply manufactured, and have safety problems.
that they couldn't effectively execute one of their people-as-a-product initiatives, and didn't close it for moral reasons as you say, is all the more reason they can't claim that moral highground. I'm also not sure how much it's worth defining things which you know what they mean, especially if you're going to sink to insults.
that's the point though - if he actually considers it a moral issue, then why are his morals geographically divergent?
Let's make sure we agree on a couple things - or at least, that we understand from where each other are coming. First, companies aren't people. They have no feelings, no thoughts. They are run by people. Those people have feelings, thoughts. Second, the top execs of Apple have remained unchanged for several years now. So you either blame the fading people-as-products stuff on Saint Steve, or you blame it on Cook. Take your pick there, I suppose - but keep in mind that Cook has been head for going on 5 years now. So going back...where did I lose you? The same people who ran the company when it did something, run it now, so how can you claim that those people have a moral highground as taking a stand against such things? Once I see Apple actually and actively take a stand against people-as-a-product, I'll grant them the respect they rightly deserve for that. For now though, they've actively taken actions to put themselves in the people-as-a-product camp.
Apple is just an electronics, software, and people-as-a-product company. They make money off you being a product - less so than facebook and google, sure, but they still do.
Apple is claiming a moral highground as a company - if they were worried about US citizens they wouldn't do a lot of the things they do. I don't see how liberties of the two companies are relevant to the highground they're claiming.
The number of registered cars doesn't mean that's the number of cars actively driven as a primary car. Think Jay Leno, for instance...he's only driving one of those things at a time. There are only 322m people in the US, a large chunk of that are people who can't drive due to age or physical disabilities. Then remove the 2.4m in prison. Then a large chunk of the remainder are people who can't because of access or affordability. Take Manhattan, for instance - of the 100 or so decently well off people I know that live in Manhattan, only a couple of them own a car. So point being, 500thousand cars is actually a significant number. Stop letting facebook numbers pollute your thinking (ie, facebook counting me as 2-5 facebook users during the day, even though I don't have a facebook account I created for myself)
*shakes tiny fist of rage* Hmm, well, yeah, I guess there is that. However, GMT is an actual timezone, and while the numbers might look the same, they're not reached the same way - one is converted, the other is not. But yeah, fine....you win...*this* time. But I'll be watching you.
please tell me you're kidding. Do you not know what UTC is? Does your logging software not know what UTC is? I mean fark, syslog does utc by default, is this some stupid lennart poettering thing again? Did he re-write syslog because it didn't do message queueing, and now you can't turn on the kitchen sink without logstart running, and it doesn't know what UTC is?