Open Konqueror and point it at espn.com and you'll see that it doesn't render properly at all. Mozilla has rendered this just fine since 0.9.1 (Flash & Real plugins included).
Now, go to your Hotmail account. Notice how there's no "Add/Edit Attachments" button? It's there in Mozilla. This is also true of IMP, which I run on my mailserver. You can click to add an attachment under IMP, but when you browse to the file, highlight it and click OK, it says "You must choose a file to attach".
Don't get me wrong, Konqueror is a nice browser and improving all the time, but for general browsing (under Linux anyway), Mozilla is the best overall at rendering and handling pages properly.
Ooohhh, good one! You're a real sharp guy, aren't ya, buddy? Proud of yourself? Did you think that one up all by your lonesome, or did YOUR MOM help you out?
IE on Windows 2000 is an excellent browsing platform (recent problems with auto-executing readme.eml notwithstanding) and anyone who says otherwise is lying or kidding themselves. We finally have a good browser for Linux and we're happy about it.
If you like W2K, USE IT! No one cares what you do (except YOUR MOM). Why do you bother with such childish comments anyway?
Oh, well, if it makes you feel better, help yourself. I certainly feel better now.:)
How odd. On my Debian 2.2r3 system, there is only the slightest pause when right-clicking in a window for the menu to come up (I have Duron 750/256mb).
Opening a new window (Ctrl-N) takes a little more than a second.
Regardless, all this stuff has gotten better with each successive release, so hang in there, all the performance issues will eventually just go away.:)
One question: there is only one drawback to Mozilla on Linux left for me, which is that I can't access my credit card account at CapitolOne.com. They say my browser (Netscape 6.0) is Non-Compliant, but they're "working on it".
Do you have any insight into this?
Thanks for all your (and everyone else's) great work! (and for putting up with all our whining while we were waiting to get to this point:)
I'm not familiar with what you mean, I'm afraid. I'm using Mozilla0.9.4 under Debian 2.2r3 to send this and for ALL my web browsing. It is (finally) a browser that is as good as the latest versions of IE.
P.S. I know you're a Troll, but sometimes I just can't help it.
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I never bothered to check what version I had...
Yeah, and that's the point for me: I just don't see any reason to go to Woody. I use Mozilla0.9.4 as my browser, and I can't think of anything that 2.2.1 has that 2.1.x doesn't, at least that I want or need.
How wonderful that Linux has gotten to the point that I can be 6 months (or more) behind the times and not even care.:)
My God, that was the most lucid, insightful comment I have yet read on this subject. (Maybe Slashdot should hire you?:)
Do you mind if I put that up on my website? (comments about Katz edited out, of course)
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I tried Sid (when KDE 2.2 first came out), and it worked more or less, but fonts were all screwed up and there were a couple of things that were broken ( I forget what now). I decided to just go back to Potato.
I don't see any reason to upgrade until Woody is ready since I'm not missing anything. I have a mailserver/firewall on my DSL connection at mattyt.net and I access my mail there using Pine (from anywhere, even Windoze using PuTTY, gawd I love Linux!) and I also have IMP installed so I can get my mail through a browser.
On my workstation, XMMS plays mp3's, smpeg-gtv plays.mpg's (I haven't found anything to reliably play.avi's, suggestions?), Mozilla0.9.4 is GREAT!, and KDE 2.1.2 is really nice. Yes, KDE 2.2.x is faster and has a few more features, but I have a 750mhz machine with 256mb so speed isn't really an issue and, as I said, I'm not missing anything.
Sometimes Sid, or even Woody, breaks things and I'm tired of mucking about with things. Potato is just totally rock stable and provides everything I want, so I just use it.
Cheers!:)
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...but I'm going to respond intelligently anyway, just so anyone who reads this is completely clear.
Anyone who uses a packaged, shrink-wrapped version of Linux which uses KDE as it's default desktop and who waits for officially supported KDE 2.2.1 packages isn't going to have any problems. When a reasonably large, fairly established company like Mandrake or TurboLinux puts their name on it, shrink-wraps it and charges you money, you can be sure they've done a fair bit of testing.
The people above who are having problems are mixing and matching compilers and libraries and are using unofficial packages. The cool thing about this is: LINUX ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT!! It's called freedom, something Windows (or Mac or most other closed, proprietary OS's) gives you very little of.
Even non-commercial version of Linux like Debian will work smoothly, they just happen to be about 6 months behind the the other distributions since they are all volunteers and there's no profit motive to get a release out the door right away after new software is released. Of course, many people are running the 'testing' version of Debian with KDE 2.2.1 just fine, but I don't recommend that if you're worried about 'incompatibility' and don't want to get your hands dirty.
I run Debian Potato (stable) and KDE 2.1.2 and am quite happy with it. I'm content to wait until the next version is ready with KDE 2.2.1.
Hope that helped clear things up for you!:)
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apt can only -get the packages that are available, or that the dependencies are fulfilled on. Debian is usually behind other distros when it comes to the latest software, but it's just rock stable and also very secure. Nothing else compares.
I'm running Potato with KDE 2.1.2 and am very happy with it (using Mozilla0.9.4 as my browser, which is very nice). Woody will be out next year and KDE 2.2.1 with it. I can wait.:)
Sure, it's laid out like Win9x, but it's FAST! I haven't looked at memory footprints, but it loads in a snap.
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...and it never will be. There are too many changes in libraries, etc. and the backporting would not only be way more work than it is worth, but then you wouldn't have a very "stable" environment due to a lack of testing, which is why you use a stable environment in the first place, right?
Many people are using Debian testing and unstable with quite good results. I am using Potato (stable) with KDE 2.1.2 and am very happy with it. Woody should be out next spring with KDE 2.2 and I can wait until then, myself.
If someone were able to take GPL'd code proprietary simply due to a 'loophole', this obviously runs 180 degrees against the spirit of the GPL. The FSF is doing its best to see that no one does this.
When I type it in above, there's no space, but when it shows up as a comment, there's a space between 2812 and 834. Just copy and paste, then remove that space.
I'll save you some time: it's anti-OSS FUD saying that Open Source is "Rocked" by this awful transgression. Yeah, right. It was a minor dispute, nothing more.
P.S. I don't think ZDNet is anti-Linux "at it's core", they simply have some writers that are anti-Linux, just as they have some writers that are pro-Linux (like Evan Liebovitch [sp?]).
Thanks for calling me an idiot, that was sure helpful.
I wasn't saying that Bush's presidency is less valid because of the popular vote totals, I was just wondering if the original poster was referring to that or something else.
Many have stated the flaws in this piece by RMS. I won't repeat them.
However, since RMS is always a lightning rod for discussion, we are now all continuing to talk about the possibility of the US federal government lessening the civil liberties of the citizens it represents.
Please keep discussing it. Please contact your elected representatives (RMS's unnecessary anti-Bush statement notwithstanding) and tell them what you think. And RMS, please keep having opinions. If nothing else, it keeps us all talking, and that is A Good Thing (c).
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Cool, thanks! :)
It certainly does load faster without the Flash, but the point is that the main page doesn't render properly under Konqueror.
Open Konqueror and point it at espn.com and you'll see that it doesn't render properly at all. Mozilla has rendered this just fine since 0.9.1 (Flash & Real plugins included).
Now, go to your Hotmail account. Notice how there's no "Add/Edit Attachments" button? It's there in Mozilla. This is also true of IMP, which I run on my mailserver. You can click to add an attachment under IMP, but when you browse to the file, highlight it and click OK, it says "You must choose a file to attach".
Don't get me wrong, Konqueror is a nice browser and improving all the time, but for general browsing (under Linux anyway), Mozilla is the best overall at rendering and handling pages properly.
I would if I could find a bank that offers 9.9% interest standard on a VISA card. That's all I have with them (the credit card).
Any suggestions?
Ooohhh, good one! You're a real sharp guy, aren't ya, buddy? Proud of yourself? Did you think that one up all by your lonesome, or did YOUR MOM help you out?
:)
IE on Windows 2000 is an excellent browsing platform (recent problems with auto-executing readme.eml notwithstanding) and anyone who says otherwise is lying or kidding themselves. We finally have a good browser for Linux and we're happy about it.
If you like W2K, USE IT! No one cares what you do (except YOUR MOM). Why do you bother with such childish comments anyway?
Oh, well, if it makes you feel better, help yourself. I certainly feel better now.
How odd. On my Debian 2.2r3 system, there is only the slightest pause when right-clicking in a window for the menu to come up (I have Duron 750/256mb).
:)
Opening a new window (Ctrl-N) takes a little more than a second.
Regardless, all this stuff has gotten better with each successive release, so hang in there, all the performance issues will eventually just go away.
Thanks for reading this thread and replying. :)
:)
One question: there is only one drawback to Mozilla on Linux left for me, which is that I can't access my credit card account at CapitolOne.com. They say my browser (Netscape 6.0) is Non-Compliant, but they're "working on it".
Do you have any insight into this?
Thanks for all your (and everyone else's) great work! (and for putting up with all our whining while we were waiting to get to this point
Cheers!
My only problem with mozilla is how long it takes to create a new window.
Really? It takes about 1 second on my system (750mhz Duron/256mb, Debian 2.2r3). What kind of hardware do you have?
SHIP???
I'm not familiar with what you mean, I'm afraid. I'm using Mozilla0.9.4 under Debian 2.2r3 to send this and for ALL my web browsing. It is (finally) a browser that is as good as the latest versions of IE.
P.S. I know you're a Troll, but sometimes I just can't help it.
I never bothered to check what version I had...
:)
Yeah, and that's the point for me: I just don't see any reason to go to Woody. I use Mozilla0.9.4 as my browser, and I can't think of anything that 2.2.1 has that 2.1.x doesn't, at least that I want or need.
How wonderful that Linux has gotten to the point that I can be 6 months (or more) behind the times and not even care.
My God, that was the most lucid, insightful comment I have yet read on this subject. (Maybe Slashdot should hire you? :)
Do you mind if I put that up on my website? (comments about Katz edited out, of course)
I tried Sid (when KDE 2.2 first came out), and it worked more or less, but fonts were all screwed up and there were a couple of things that were broken ( I forget what now). I decided to just go back to Potato.
.mpg's (I haven't found anything to reliably play .avi's, suggestions?), Mozilla0.9.4 is GREAT!, and KDE 2.1.2 is really nice. Yes, KDE 2.2.x is faster and has a few more features, but I have a 750mhz machine with 256mb so speed isn't really an issue and, as I said, I'm not missing anything.
:)
I don't see any reason to upgrade until Woody is ready since I'm not missing anything. I have a mailserver/firewall on my DSL connection at mattyt.net and I access my mail there using Pine (from anywhere, even Windoze using PuTTY, gawd I love Linux!) and I also have IMP installed so I can get my mail through a browser.
On my workstation, XMMS plays mp3's, smpeg-gtv plays
Sometimes Sid, or even Woody, breaks things and I'm tired of mucking about with things. Potato is just totally rock stable and provides everything I want, so I just use it.
Cheers!
...but I'm going to respond intelligently anyway, just so anyone who reads this is completely clear.
:)
Anyone who uses a packaged, shrink-wrapped version of Linux which uses KDE as it's default desktop and who waits for officially supported KDE 2.2.1 packages isn't going to have any problems. When a reasonably large, fairly established company like Mandrake or TurboLinux puts their name on it, shrink-wraps it and charges you money, you can be sure they've done a fair bit of testing.
The people above who are having problems are mixing and matching compilers and libraries and are using unofficial packages. The cool thing about this is: LINUX ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT!! It's called freedom, something Windows (or Mac or most other closed, proprietary OS's) gives you very little of.
Even non-commercial version of Linux like Debian will work smoothly, they just happen to be about 6 months behind the the other distributions since they are all volunteers and there's no profit motive to get a release out the door right away after new software is released. Of course, many people are running the 'testing' version of Debian with KDE 2.2.1 just fine, but I don't recommend that if you're worried about 'incompatibility' and don't want to get your hands dirty.
I run Debian Potato (stable) and KDE 2.1.2 and am quite happy with it. I'm content to wait until the next version is ready with KDE 2.2.1.
Hope that helped clear things up for you!
apt can only -get the packages that are available, or that the dependencies are fulfilled on. Debian is usually behind other distros when it comes to the latest software, but it's just rock stable and also very secure. Nothing else compares.
:)
I'm running Potato with KDE 2.1.2 and am very happy with it (using Mozilla0.9.4 as my browser, which is very nice). Woody will be out next year and KDE 2.2.1 with it. I can wait.
Sure, it's laid out like Win9x, but it's FAST! I haven't looked at memory footprints, but it loads in a snap.
...and it never will be. There are too many changes in libraries, etc. and the backporting would not only be way more work than it is worth, but then you wouldn't have a very "stable" environment due to a lack of testing, which is why you use a stable environment in the first place, right?
Many people are using Debian testing and unstable with quite good results. I am using Potato (stable) with KDE 2.1.2 and am very happy with it. Woody should be out next spring with KDE 2.2 and I can wait until then, myself.
Cheers.........
If someone were able to take GPL'd code proprietary simply due to a 'loophole', this obviously runs 180 degrees against the spirit of the GPL. The FSF is doing its best to see that no one does this.
They aren't perfect, but who is?
Oh, all right, I didn't know that, thanks.
I sure wish they would do that for personal URL's, tho.......
correct is still incorrect says page not found
...there's a space between 2812 and 834. Just copy and paste, then remove that space.
Did you follow those directions? I just did and it worked fine for me.
Well, I tried to post a corrected link, but there must be a problem with Slashcode. Here's my attempt below:
8 12 834,00.html?chkpt=zdnnp1tp02
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2
When I type it in above, there's no space, but when it shows up as a comment, there's a space between 2812 and 834. Just copy and paste, then remove that space.
I'll save you some time: it's anti-OSS FUD saying that Open Source is "Rocked" by this awful transgression. Yeah, right. It was a minor dispute, nothing more.
P.S. I don't think ZDNet is anti-Linux "at it's core", they simply have some writers that are anti-Linux, just as they have some writers that are pro-Linux (like Evan Liebovitch [sp?]).
Thanks for calling me an idiot, that was sure helpful.
I wasn't saying that Bush's presidency is less valid because of the popular vote totals, I was just wondering if the original poster was referring to that or something else.
Thanks for that link. That was excellent. :)
Word. I voted for Gore and I'm sure sick of it.
Many have stated the flaws in this piece by RMS. I won't repeat them.
However, since RMS is always a lightning rod for discussion, we are now all continuing to talk about the possibility of the US federal government lessening the civil liberties of the citizens it represents.
Please keep discussing it. Please contact your elected representatives (RMS's unnecessary anti-Bush statement notwithstanding) and tell them what you think. And RMS, please keep having opinions. If nothing else, it keeps us all talking, and that is A Good Thing (c).
Fewer than half voted for Bush, you know. Or did you mean something else?
(Mods: this is not a Troll or Flamebait, I'm actually asking a serious question.)