If someone had broken into NT via IIS would we still be saying "it's not the OS's fault"? I doubt it.
What I would like to know is, did the CGI ship with the RH distro they used... if so, that's part of the OS in my book just as IIS shipping with NT is part of the OS when used in that fashion.
I believe that they have forgotten, or maybe outgrown some of them, but CV&B #5 still holds true: We will preserve and protect our company's resources with at least the same vigilance with which we protect our own personal resources.
Weren't the CV&B's numbered by priority with much of the first four being customer oriented? I guess you're right, it does seem that Mindspring is only looking out for Mindspring at this point.
For the record, I did contact support via online chat and the tech I spoke with was not very familiar with the policy. When I asked where it had been posted online he had to go ask someone. After a 15 minute wait, he sent me to a URL buried deep in the knowledge base.
How can you hold your customers to an expectation of knowledge that your own employees don't even possess?
Brewer sends out an email to EVERY Mindspring member almost monthly, how hard would it have been to mention it in that? Word it so that the non-techies don't even understand it and don't worry but the people who DO understand it can be informed and make decisions accordingly?
An increase in customer support calls is not an excuse for keeping your paying customers in the dark on an policy change that directly affects their usage of your product.
If anything it only shows their disregard for the customers who made them a TOP ISP and their tunnel vision in regards to the bottom line.
"We can't do the right thing, it would cost too much."
And the sad thing is, I've met Mike McQuary and he's a good guy. He had a grand ideal of what Mindspring would be... the consumer's ISP... well, that idea has been trampled by greed and profit mongering.
{smtp2|smtp3|smtp5}.mindspring.com are all listed by ORBS. That means sending mail through them is basically hit or miss since various sites WILL deny delivery based on that listing.
So not only do they force us to use their server, they force us to use servers that, in many cases, are BANNED from sending mail in the first place.
If I own/lease a dedicated server, why should I not be allowed port 25 access to that server due to my dialup's restrictions? People make prank phone calls all the time but you don't see Bell Atlantic restricting my dial out at home due to this.
There are also times when, to portray a more professional look, you don't WANT mail being routed through your ISP, rather you want mail being routed through your own server.
Saying that the only people who use mail servers other than their own ISPs are spammers is simply wrong and asking for a "legitimate" reason does not negate the fact that I'm paying for unrestricted access. That is reason enough in my opinion.
Yeah, I got the "spam prevention" explanation when I asked about this. While I understand their concerns and applaud their pro-active approach towards spam, I can't condone the penalization of the masses for the actions of a few.
The fact that no one was notified of this change also makes it stick in my craw.
I'm with you, I'm all for no more spam, but if the cost is my freedom to send email through more than one server... I'll take the spam.
Not only has the service gone to the crapper for the 4 years I've been with Mindspring, their policies suck now too. Like their policy to block ALL port 25 traffic to all servers other than smtp.mindspring.com which means you can't send mail thru ANY server other than Mindspring's.
They still advertise "unrestricted" net access but that's pretty damn restrictive if you ask me.
I guess this is to be exptected tho... Murphy's Law, the bigger they get... the more they suck.
As would be expected, 2600.com is blocked by my local firewall admin as is all of the anonymous proxies that I know of. Anyone have a non-assuming mirror of this article?
Ok... here's a question, now that their are alternative domain registrars, how do I leave NSI? Is it possible or do I have to wait for my domain to expire in 2 years, then reregister it with an alternative vendor? My fear is that when I paid my $70, I agreed to a 2 year exclusive contract but what else was I to do, NSI was the only registrar! Is such a contract even enforceable?
Doesn't anderover.net also do sites such as Davecentral, Internet Traffic Report, and Slaughter House? Of the 11 anderover.net "holdings", 3 are Linux/Open Source, yet the press release makes them seem like Linux/Open Source is all they do. A bit misleading if you ask me.
I understand they're trying to work off the RHAT Linux buzz to boost their IPO price but it's still an inaccurate characterization of the company as a whole.
On the way to work this morning, I heard of a woman in Ohio or somewhere that was born at 9:09 on Sept 9th, 1900. That means at 9:09 on 9/9/99, she is 99. Freaky.
Casio PV-200, Royal DaVinci, TI Avigo (discontinued but I have one), Sharp SE-300. There's four that, in my opinion, are as good or better than a Palm in the same price range give or take $50. (notice the opinion part *grin*)
You're comparing apples (current Palm street-prices) with oranges (Visor suggested prices).
And what should I compare them to since there has been ZERO details about availability or resellers for the Visor. As far as we know, it'll be a direct sales only deal right from Handspring and those ARE the street prices.
While I agree that their "street" price may be lower, I don't really have much more than what was given in the article.
Palm isn't the only OS in town ya know... there are many sub $100 PDAs on the market today that work as good or BETTER than Palms or Palm clones. You can also get a Palm III for as little as $164 online (2MB, IR, etc.) or a Palm Professional for as little as $132 (1MB) which makes Palm clone's price even less attractive.
Also, what value is proprietary modularization in an open world? There is already a modular "standard" of sorts.. it's called Compact Flash cards or PCMCIA for larger form factors.
I know another soon to be PDA which has had a module slot for years... Game boy. You can attach a camera to your gameboy, a printer, add memory, and even play games... all on a color screen!
The only thing about the springboard module slot that would make it attractive would be the accessories available like an MP3 player. But given the existing price structure of the Visor, you'll be paying $100+ for that plug in module and how many MP3's can a 2MB unit hold... not even one. So you'll have to buy the 8MB Visor Deluxe plus the 8MB MP3 module to give you an 8MB, B/W MP3 player with no stereo out for $349... why not drop $100 more and get a 16 to 32MB Casio E-100 with a color display and stereo output?
You fail to recognize the statements from the Handspring owners when they first left 3Com and formed... they said things like they'd be making a sub $99 consumer PDA that would revolutionize the industry. Then they zipped up and let the press hype their product with completely incorrect information (color screen, smaller than Palm V, etc.) They fanned the flames and then let it burn... and when it's done, we're left with a simple rock where a diamond should be.
I blame Handspring for giving the media a few vague buzzwords and allowing them to run with them unchecked. Their "silence" only propagated the misinformation that was given out which was building expectations for a product that they knew they could not deliver.
Your point is taken that the price is ground-breaking for a Palm OS device but since it's the first non-phone unit to license the PalmOS... the simple fact that it's a Palm clone could be considered "ground breaking" in itself. The price comparative to other PDAs on the market is not ground breaking at all when you consider the 4MB Helio, 2MB DaVinci, 2MB Casio PV-200, etc.
Ok, I've been bagging on the Visor all morning (ZDNet, PDABuzz.com, etc.) so I'll just say that I'll be a bit let down *IF* the Visor ends up being what ZD says it will be. Handspring released statements like "groundbreaking PDA" and "revolutionary design" then said nothing and let the rumor and speculation fly. Now they give us a Palm clone.
Honestly, I don't find any aspect of the Visor revolutionary or ground breaking.
I just hope I'm missing something BIG here (very possible) and the Visor does live up (to an extent) to the hype that Handspring propagated through their self imposed silence.
Psion announced their netBook for enterprise users a few weeks ago which has the EXACT size and weight dimensions as the Series 7. It's also running the same StrongARM processor as the Series 7 yet 90MHz faster. The netBook ships with 32MB while the Series 7 ships with 16MB.
Could this simply be a dumbed down netBook model? Hrmmmm....
Forget about the Dreamcast, what about Handheld PCs based on the SH4! The Compaq Aero 8000 comes to mind right away and many of the next generation CE machines will also run the SH4.
Imagine being able to break free from Windows on your workstation, PDA, AND console game machine.
I think this is great, the more competition in the office suit market the better! I've been chained to MS office waaaay to long, you know how corporations are.
Star Office is a bit slow (seems faster on Win32 to me), it's innovative enough to grab some attention and hopefully marketshare.
The site is already fubar if you use NS or IE 3 so to even read the text you'll need IE 4 or 5. This is Microsoft's evil plan since any cracker out there who installs IE 4 or 5 will have their name and SSN sent to the FBI. *grin*
Slashdot Mirror
It was bad enough that we're the home of AOL ... now this.
... quick, someone tell him he pioneer DNA cloning!
We need Al Gore to proclaim something outrageous again to divert attention
If someone had broken into NT via IIS would we still be saying "it's not the OS's fault"? I doubt it.
... if so, that's part of the OS in my book just as IIS shipping with NT is part of the OS when used in that fashion.
What I would like to know is, did the CGI ship with the RH distro they used
I believe that they have forgotten, or maybe outgrown some of them, but CV&B #5 still holds true: We will preserve and protect our company's resources with at least the same vigilance with which we protect our own personal resources.
Weren't the CV&B's numbered by priority with much of the first four being customer oriented? I guess you're right, it does seem that Mindspring is only looking out for Mindspring at this point.
For the record, I did contact support via online chat and the tech I spoke with was not very familiar with the policy. When I asked where it had been posted online he had to go ask someone. After a 15 minute wait, he sent me to a URL buried deep in the knowledge base.
How can you hold your customers to an expectation of knowledge that your own employees don't even possess?
Brewer sends out an email to EVERY Mindspring member almost monthly, how hard would it have been to mention it in that? Word it so that the non-techies don't even understand it and don't worry but the people who DO understand it can be informed and make decisions accordingly?
An increase in customer support calls is not an excuse for keeping your paying customers in the dark on an policy change that directly affects their usage of your product.
... the consumer's ISP ... well, that idea has been trampled by greed and profit mongering.
If anything it only shows their disregard for the customers who made them a TOP ISP and their tunnel vision in regards to the bottom line.
"We can't do the right thing, it would cost too much."
And the sad thing is, I've met Mike McQuary and he's a good guy. He had a grand ideal of what Mindspring would be
{smtp2|smtp3|smtp5}.mindspring.com are all listed by ORBS. That means sending mail through them is basically hit or miss since various sites WILL deny delivery based on that listing.
So not only do they force us to use their server, they force us to use servers that, in many cases, are BANNED from sending mail in the first place.
Nice customer oriented policy.
If I own/lease a dedicated server, why should I not be allowed port 25 access to that server due to my dialup's restrictions? People make prank phone calls all the time but you don't see Bell Atlantic restricting my dial out at home due to this.
There are also times when, to portray a more professional look, you don't WANT mail being routed through your ISP, rather you want mail being routed through your own server.
Saying that the only people who use mail servers other than their own ISPs are spammers is simply wrong and asking for a "legitimate" reason does not negate the fact that I'm paying for unrestricted access. That is reason enough in my opinion.
Yeah, I got the "spam prevention" explanation when I asked about this. While I understand their concerns and applaud their pro-active approach towards spam, I can't condone the penalization of the masses for the actions of a few.
... I'll take the spam.
The fact that no one was notified of this change also makes it stick in my craw.
I'm with you, I'm all for no more spam, but if the cost is my freedom to send email through more than one server
Not only has the service gone to the crapper for the 4 years I've been with Mindspring, their policies suck now too. Like their policy to block ALL port 25 traffic to all servers other than smtp.mindspring.com which means you can't send mail thru ANY server other than Mindspring's.
... Murphy's Law, the bigger they get ... the more they suck.
They still advertise "unrestricted" net access but that's pretty damn restrictive if you ask me.
I guess this is to be exptected tho
What better way to get a hacker profile database then offer a huge carrot to them to attack a system?
Next it'll be "Win $1,000,000 if you can assassinate [insert public official's name here]", Sponsored by Wal-Mart.
As would be expected, 2600.com is blocked by my local firewall admin as is all of the anonymous proxies that I know of. Anyone have a non-assuming mirror of this article?
Ok ... here's a question, now that their are alternative domain registrars, how do I leave NSI? Is it possible or do I have to wait for my domain to expire in 2 years, then reregister it with an alternative vendor? My fear is that when I paid my $70, I agreed to a 2 year exclusive contract but what else was I to do, NSI was the only registrar! Is such a contract even enforceable?
Doesn't anderover.net also do sites such as Davecentral, Internet Traffic Report, and Slaughter House? Of the 11 anderover.net "holdings", 3 are Linux/Open Source, yet the press release makes them seem like Linux/Open Source is all they do. A bit misleading if you ask me.
I understand they're trying to work off the RHAT Linux buzz to boost their IPO price but it's still an inaccurate characterization of the company as a whole.
On the way to work this morning, I heard of a woman in Ohio or somewhere that was born at 9:09 on Sept 9th, 1900. That means at 9:09 on 9/9/99, she is 99. Freaky.
Ha! Name one.
Casio PV-200, Royal DaVinci, TI Avigo (discontinued but I have one), Sharp SE-300. There's four that, in my opinion, are as good or better than a Palm in the same price range give or take $50. (notice the opinion part *grin*)
You're comparing apples (current Palm street-prices) with oranges (Visor suggested prices).
And what should I compare them to since there has been ZERO details about availability or resellers for the Visor. As far as we know, it'll be a direct sales only deal right from Handspring and those ARE the street prices.
While I agree that their "street" price may be lower, I don't really have much more than what was given in the article.
Palm isn't the only OS in town ya know ... there are many sub $100 PDAs on the market today that work as good or BETTER than Palms or Palm clones. You can also get a Palm III for as little as $164 online (2MB, IR, etc.) or a Palm Professional for as little as $132 (1MB) which makes Palm clone's price even less attractive.
.. it's called Compact Flash cards or PCMCIA for larger form factors.
Also, what value is proprietary modularization in an open world? There is already a modular "standard" of sorts
I know another soon to be PDA which has had a module slot for years ... Game boy. You can attach a camera to your gameboy, a printer, add memory, and even play games ... all on a color screen!
... not even one. So you'll have to buy the 8MB Visor Deluxe plus the 8MB MP3 module to give you an 8MB, B/W MP3 player with no stereo out for $349 ... why not drop $100 more and get a 16 to 32MB Casio E-100 with a color display and stereo output?
The only thing about the springboard module slot that would make it attractive would be the accessories available like an MP3 player. But given the existing price structure of the Visor, you'll be paying $100+ for that plug in module and how many MP3's can a 2MB unit hold
You fail to recognize the statements from the Handspring owners when they first left 3Com and formed ... they said things like they'd be making a sub $99 consumer PDA that would revolutionize the industry. Then they zipped up and let the press hype their product with completely incorrect information (color screen, smaller than Palm V, etc.) They fanned the flames and then let it burn ... and when it's done, we're left with a simple rock where a diamond should be.
I blame Handspring for giving the media a few vague buzzwords and allowing them to run with them unchecked. Their "silence" only propagated the misinformation that was given out which was building expectations for a product that they knew they could not deliver.
... the simple fact that it's a Palm clone could be considered "ground breaking" in itself. The price comparative to other PDAs on the market is not ground breaking at all when you consider the 4MB Helio, 2MB DaVinci, 2MB Casio PV-200, etc.
Your point is taken that the price is ground-breaking for a Palm OS device but since it's the first non-phone unit to license the PalmOS
Ok, I've been bagging on the Visor all morning (ZDNet, PDABuzz.com, etc.) so I'll just say that I'll be a bit let down *IF* the Visor ends up being what ZD says it will be. Handspring released statements like "groundbreaking PDA" and "revolutionary design" then said nothing and let the rumor and speculation fly. Now they give us a Palm clone.
Honestly, I don't find any aspect of the Visor revolutionary or ground breaking.
I just hope I'm missing something BIG here (very possible) and the Visor does live up (to an extent) to the hype that Handspring propagated through their self imposed silence.
(Damn I'm ranting a lot today.)
More useless PDA babble @ PDA Buzz
Psion announced their netBook for enterprise users a few weeks ago which has the EXACT size and weight dimensions as the Series 7. It's also running the same StrongARM processor as the Series 7 yet 90MHz faster. The netBook ships with 32MB while the Series 7 ships with 16MB.
....
Could this simply be a dumbed down netBook model? Hrmmmm
Even more useless PDA babble @ PDA Buzz
Forget about the Dreamcast, what about Handheld PCs based on the SH4! The Compaq Aero 8000 comes to mind right away and many of the next generation CE machines will also run the SH4.
Imagine being able to break free from Windows on your workstation, PDA, AND console game machine.
How sweet it is.
PDA Buzz Guy
I think this is great, the more competition in the office suit market the better! I've been chained to MS office waaaay to long, you know how corporations are.
Star Office is a bit slow (seems faster on Win32 to me), it's innovative enough to grab some attention and hopefully marketshare.
The site is already fubar if you use NS or IE 3 so to even read the text you'll need IE 4 or 5. This is Microsoft's evil plan since any cracker out there who installs IE 4 or 5 will have their name and SSN sent to the FBI. *grin*
Either you are joking, or you should give evidence that the MS PPP dialer sends your ISP password to Redmond.
Yes, I was being overly dramatic to make a point. I don't have any proof *yet* that MS has my ISP username/password. *grin*