a law can't say "journalists can protect their source, except that tool wikileaks"
Says who?
(at least before bush)
Someone didn't pay attention in school.
Private bills have existed for a long time. Plenty of individuals and companies throughout American history have been favored and singled out. Just look into the history of the steel industry and railroads.
It is far worse than that. The summary says it is a meltdown! I don't know how IT could cause that, but terrorism must be involved. From what I've heard, they are evacuating New Jersey and calling in the National Guard.
No. Their IT infrastructure is so power-hungry that they co-located a nuclear plant with their main data center.
I could produce a thousand pictures a day, but I would not be an artist.
Why not?
Art has always been defined by the creating artist, hasn't it?
After all someone says the piles of welded metal that the transit district installs as part of public "art" are art, right? Because it sure as hell looks like a reject from a scrapyard, not art, to me.
So who decides what is art and what is not? You? The NEA? Me?
Furthermore, this is my private residential gargage bin we are talking about.
If I threw my trash in a *public* trash can, I would not expect it to be unmolested. That addresses your "photographing in public" argument.
If it was a transparent bin, I would not expect that nobody would look at the visible contents. I would continue to expect that it would not be opened by anyone except for me or the garbage company or our authorized agents.
I should point out that once the garbage company has picked up the trash (and therefore obtained ownership of said trash), then I do not care what they do with it at that point. Hand it over to the cops with no warrant, give it to homeless people to rifle through, whatever.
However, when it is in the trash can, it is mine. I authorize the ownership to be transferred upon pickup to garbage company. I own it, and then they do.
In my view there is no transitional "unowned" state.
It is a bin that I leased through the service and is therefore mine to control.
Back to the car analogy (and wikipedia articles or legal opinion on "expectation of privacy" be damned)... if I lease a car or an apartment and leave it unsecured, you still do not have any right to rifle through it, and especially do not have any right to relieve me of that item.
Is it okay if you open my unlocked car and take a crumpled-up McDonalds wrapper in a bag marked "trash"? I think you'd have a hard time making that argument.
And you dodged the supporting arguments made in my parent post.
I felt they were irrelevant, because I do not view the inside of my trash can as a public space.
Stop playing the victim. You don't like something in your life, it's up to you to change it.
Clearly not...
Universal health care is a good thing. It's not socialist. Get over it.
the government should obviously change it!
I like the GP's point at your "pick up and move" comment. Though, I am no victim. There are still things that are out of my control that stop me from moving that obviously outweigh the occasional person rifling through *my* trash.
I mean, sure, I could move. I could just pack up my family and drive somewhere, right? When I get wherever that somewhere happens to be, I'll just find a job in a day or two. The exact right housing will be available in no time. The bank will forget about all the money I owe on my current house.
Or, I could deal with the occasional meth-head or thief, which almost any potential destination is sure to have whether they are acknowledged or not. Maybe you'd be willing to "just move" and sacrifice the other advantages you have, but I am not.
I own one of those cane swords. Made of fine steel in a lightweight twist-off cane scabbard, it's a fabulous looking accessory that goes great with the limp I have that I developed from injuries during military service.
I know you Brits hate us low-brow American colonials for having bastarded the language.
But, cut us some slack. We only did to the language the best that we poor rejects of your society could do with what we had. So is it really our fault that we Americaned the language?
I mean, what could you expect after you antagonied us into revolting? You forced our hand, we had no choice but to become denationed from Britain. You may think that I am being over-dramaed here, but I am not.
And now, here we are with the Americaned English, such as it is, anthologued by countless works, and forever atomed into individual words as listed American English dictionaries.
Maybe someone will invent a vaccine for this hostility over language. That way we'll all be immuned against it. I am sure the inventor of such a vaccine would be idoled. His name will be memoried by school children across the globe.
No, it isn't. It's in a bin that has a lid. You have to open the bin to get to the trash.
The police don't need to get a warrant to rifle through your trash
You're right, of course. And that is complete and utter bull. The police should have to have a warrant to gather *any* evidence against you that is not in plain sight.
My trash in a closed opaque garbage bin is not plain sight.
As far as your linked wikipedia article goes: Just because "expectation of privacy" as described there is the status quo doesn't mean it is the way things ought to be.
you clearly don't want it anymore
No, but that doesn't mean I want anyone but the garbage company to have it. I want to give it to the garbage company, that is my intent.
Nice troll
Honestly, I wasn't intending to troll, though I do see how it could be taken that way after the fact.
I could, but the trash company only picks up from their bins that they lease out to you as part of the contract. You only get one recycling bin and they only offer it in one size. Oddly enough, you can pay for larger bins for regular trash.
stick some in your neighbor's bin
You are assuming (1) that they don't have the same problem (they do, and they don't have an adequately-sized regular bin, either) and (2) that they'd give me permission to do so, and (3) that I'd be willing to touch their garbage bins.
or come up with any other solution?
I suppose I could go ask someone with an appropriate vehicle to come haul my excess recyclables for me every other week. You'd do that for me, right? Oh, wait... that would meet the city ordinance definition of a "refuse service" and it's not legal for you or anyone else to do that for me.
You really have to throw them away and then make comments on slashdot about how you would "rather" have that stuff recycled?
I could just litter it into the streets like other people do, I suppose.
Looking at other people's cans on trash day, it is clear that the garbage/recycling service is completely inadequate for most residences in this area. *That* is my complaint.
It's the result of a government-sanctioned monopoly that allows the local garbage company to be the only game in town. It's not legal to have garbage services from anyone else. Say, from the neighboring city that has a garbage company that picks up recyclables once per week.
Where I live it's not just homeless people picking through your trash cans. The meth-heads and other criminals also do so.
If you put a box for a computer or TV in your recycling bin, you'd better make sure it can't be recognized as such, or sooner or later your house will be burglarized.
I don't know about the GP, but where I live some of the cities mandate that all homeowners buy garbage pickup service from a single private company (if there is more than one contracted, they have "territories"). If you do not buy garbage service from this company, you get fined.
In the case of my particular city, you can haul your own garbage, but the city requires that the garbage company report anyone whose garbage service is discontinued. If you are on that list, your property is subject to inspection for compliance by the public works office.
This garbage company only picks up recyclables once every two weeks, which is not often enough given the amount of recyclables I have. So, I put overflow recyclables into the trash can that is emptied weekly once my recycle bin is full. I'd rather have them recycled. Further, according to the city ordinances it is illegal to possess garbage on your property for more than 7 days. My recyclable waste is "garbage"... so the city's contracted service doesn't even allow me to meet the letter of the law.
I see other posts mentioning how waste companies break (or nearly break) even or even make a profit selling the recyclables. Why the hell don't they pick up weekly, then?
which, last I recall, anyone else could legally do just as easily.
If it is, it shouldn't be. The trash is mine until the garbage truck picks it up, then it belongs to whoever runs the garbage truck.
If I park my car on the curb and leave it unlocked, you don't have any right to go rifling through it. You shouldn't be able to do that with my trash can, either.
BTW, when I catch people going through my trash can, I ask them to politely leave. They always do when they see the pistol holstered on my belt. Yay, open carry!
If someone is drunk and hits a car or if someone has diabetes with has low blood sugar and hits a car... the result is the same.
Yes, and you can still be charged in either case, though drunk driving is seen as a willful act and you will be charged for a voluntary act.
The case where the diabetic has low blood sugar because of a bad meter reading or accidental overdose of insulin would at most bring up charges for an involuntary act.
However, if someone has an acute medical condition while driving... say a seizure, having never had a seizure before. The ultimate result is the death of another driver. What charges do you levy against the person? Failure to see into the future?
Presumably, when they sense that the power is cut these hard drives convert the momentum in the spinning disks into enough electricity to zero out the onboard encryption key, which would take moments and render the contents unrecoverable.
The KISS principle suggests that they would use a capacitor.
In many (probably most) U.S. jurisdictions, using a firearm during the commission of a felony is an enhancing factor for charges and/or sentencing. Here in Oregon, it results in mandatory minimum sentencing of 5 years for the first offense.
I don't know if anyone has studied if that actually reduces the number of guns being used during commissions of ordinary burglaries.
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Wikileaks is not the entity the law would apply to, though. The law would apply to journalists.
I think that's the critical difference here.
I'm not saying I agree with it, I just don't think that claims it would be unconstitutional aren't so clear-cut.
It's true. Not only do you not bite the hand that feeds you, you do whatever you can to get more.
a law can't say "journalists can protect their source, except that tool wikileaks"
Says who?
(at least before bush)
Someone didn't pay attention in school.
Private bills have existed for a long time. Plenty of individuals and companies throughout American history have been favored and singled out. Just look into the history of the steel industry and railroads.
It is far worse than that. The summary says it is a meltdown! I don't know how IT could cause that, but terrorism must be involved. From what I've heard, they are evacuating New Jersey and calling in the National Guard.
No. Their IT infrastructure is so power-hungry that they co-located a nuclear plant with their main data center.
*That* is what is melting down.
I could produce a thousand pictures a day, but I would not be an artist.
Why not?
Art has always been defined by the creating artist, hasn't it?
After all someone says the piles of welded metal that the transit district installs as part of public "art" are art, right? Because it sure as hell looks like a reject from a scrapyard, not art, to me.
So who decides what is art and what is not? You? The NEA? Me?
It has been. Of all the people that responded to this thread I've created, you've been the one who has made me think the most. I appreciate it.
Furthermore, this is my private residential gargage bin we are talking about.
If I threw my trash in a *public* trash can, I would not expect it to be unmolested. That addresses your "photographing in public" argument.
If it was a transparent bin, I would not expect that nobody would look at the visible contents. I would continue to expect that it would not be opened by anyone except for me or the garbage company or our authorized agents.
I should point out that once the garbage company has picked up the trash (and therefore obtained ownership of said trash), then I do not care what they do with it at that point. Hand it over to the cops with no warrant, give it to homeless people to rifle through, whatever.
However, when it is in the trash can, it is mine. I authorize the ownership to be transferred upon pickup to garbage company. I own it, and then they do.
In my view there is no transitional "unowned" state.
An entirely unsecured bin which you don't own
It is a bin that I leased through the service and is therefore mine to control.
Back to the car analogy (and wikipedia articles or legal opinion on "expectation of privacy" be damned)... if I lease a car or an apartment and leave it unsecured, you still do not have any right to rifle through it, and especially do not have any right to relieve me of that item.
Is it okay if you open my unlocked car and take a crumpled-up McDonalds wrapper in a bag marked "trash"? I think you'd have a hard time making that argument.
And you dodged the supporting arguments made in my parent post.
I felt they were irrelevant, because I do not view the inside of my trash can as a public space.
Stop playing the victim. You don't like something in your life, it's up to you to change it.
Clearly not...
Universal health care is a good thing. It's not socialist. Get over it.
the government should obviously change it!
I like the GP's point at your "pick up and move" comment. Though, I am no victim. There are still things that are out of my control that stop me from moving that obviously outweigh the occasional person rifling through *my* trash.
I mean, sure, I could move. I could just pack up my family and drive somewhere, right? When I get wherever that somewhere happens to be, I'll just find a job in a day or two. The exact right housing will be available in no time. The bank will forget about all the money I owe on my current house.
Or, I could deal with the occasional meth-head or thief, which almost any potential destination is sure to have whether they are acknowledged or not. Maybe you'd be willing to "just move" and sacrifice the other advantages you have, but I am not.
I own one of those cane swords. Made of fine steel in a lightweight twist-off cane scabbard, it's a fabulous looking accessory that goes great with the limp I have that I developed from injuries during military service.
You abandon it, it's not your property anymore
It is not abandoned. It is carefully placed in a bin and ownership is intended to be transferred to the garbage company.
If it was abandoned, I'd just toss it in the street.
I know you Brits hate us low-brow American colonials for having bastarded the language.
But, cut us some slack. We only did to the language the best that we poor rejects of your society could do with what we had. So is it really our fault that we Americaned the language?
I mean, what could you expect after you antagonied us into revolting? You forced our hand, we had no choice but to become denationed from Britain. You may think that I am being over-dramaed here, but I am not.
And now, here we are with the Americaned English, such as it is, anthologued by countless works, and forever atomed into individual words as listed American English dictionaries.
Maybe someone will invent a vaccine for this hostility over language. That way we'll all be immuned against it. I am sure the inventor of such a vaccine would be idoled. His name will be memoried by school children across the globe.
Did I get those right?
That is correct, but in my mind is definitely not "right".
I don't get people who don't see a problem with the ability of police or anyone else to rifle through your trash.
Why? It's refuse that you left out in the open.
No, it isn't. It's in a bin that has a lid. You have to open the bin to get to the trash.
The police don't need to get a warrant to rifle through your trash
You're right, of course. And that is complete and utter bull. The police should have to have a warrant to gather *any* evidence against you that is not in plain sight.
My trash in a closed opaque garbage bin is not plain sight.
As far as your linked wikipedia article goes: Just because "expectation of privacy" as described there is the status quo doesn't mean it is the way things ought to be.
you clearly don't want it anymore
No, but that doesn't mean I want anyone but the garbage company to have it. I want to give it to the garbage company, that is my intent.
Nice troll
Honestly, I wasn't intending to troll, though I do see how it could be taken that way after the fact.
They only offer the containers in one size.
They seem to be fine picking up regular garbage weekly.
I'd be willing to pay more to have recycles picked up more often, to be honest.
And you can't just buy another bin
I could, but the trash company only picks up from their bins that they lease out to you as part of the contract. You only get one recycling bin and they only offer it in one size. Oddly enough, you can pay for larger bins for regular trash.
stick some in your neighbor's bin
You are assuming (1) that they don't have the same problem (they do, and they don't have an adequately-sized regular bin, either) and (2) that they'd give me permission to do so, and (3) that I'd be willing to touch their garbage bins.
or come up with any other solution?
I suppose I could go ask someone with an appropriate vehicle to come haul my excess recyclables for me every other week. You'd do that for me, right? Oh, wait... that would meet the city ordinance definition of a "refuse service" and it's not legal for you or anyone else to do that for me.
You really have to throw them away and then make comments on slashdot about how you would "rather" have that stuff recycled?
I could just litter it into the streets like other people do, I suppose.
Looking at other people's cans on trash day, it is clear that the garbage/recycling service is completely inadequate for most residences in this area. *That* is my complaint.
It's the result of a government-sanctioned monopoly that allows the local garbage company to be the only game in town. It's not legal to have garbage services from anyone else. Say, from the neighboring city that has a garbage company that picks up recyclables once per week.
Where I live it's not just homeless people picking through your trash cans. The meth-heads and other criminals also do so.
If you put a box for a computer or TV in your recycling bin, you'd better make sure it can't be recognized as such, or sooner or later your house will be burglarized.
I don't know about the GP, but where I live some of the cities mandate that all homeowners buy garbage pickup service from a single private company (if there is more than one contracted, they have "territories"). If you do not buy garbage service from this company, you get fined.
In the case of my particular city, you can haul your own garbage, but the city requires that the garbage company report anyone whose garbage service is discontinued. If you are on that list, your property is subject to inspection for compliance by the public works office.
This garbage company only picks up recyclables once every two weeks, which is not often enough given the amount of recyclables I have. So, I put overflow recyclables into the trash can that is emptied weekly once my recycle bin is full. I'd rather have them recycled. Further, according to the city ordinances it is illegal to possess garbage on your property for more than 7 days. My recyclable waste is "garbage"... so the city's contracted service doesn't even allow me to meet the letter of the law.
I see other posts mentioning how waste companies break (or nearly break) even or even make a profit selling the recyclables. Why the hell don't they pick up weekly, then?
which, last I recall, anyone else could legally do just as easily.
If it is, it shouldn't be. The trash is mine until the garbage truck picks it up, then it belongs to whoever runs the garbage truck.
If I park my car on the curb and leave it unlocked, you don't have any right to go rifling through it. You shouldn't be able to do that with my trash can, either.
BTW, when I catch people going through my trash can, I ask them to politely leave. They always do when they see the pistol holstered on my belt. Yay, open carry!
Umm, probably he thinks that the FM receiver circuitry will use power (including leakage when it is "off"), and therefore diminish the battery life.
If someone is drunk and hits a car or if someone has diabetes with has low blood sugar and hits a car... the result is the same.
Yes, and you can still be charged in either case, though drunk driving is seen as a willful act and you will be charged for a voluntary act.
The case where the diabetic has low blood sugar because of a bad meter reading or accidental overdose of insulin would at most bring up charges for an involuntary act.
However, if someone has an acute medical condition while driving... say a seizure, having never had a seizure before. The ultimate result is the death of another driver. What charges do you levy against the person? Failure to see into the future?
A previous post mentioned the ability to read the contents of memory for several minutes after power-off.
I suspect the drive would actively zero the key at power events in order to make sure that nobody can pull that trick off.
Presumably, when they sense that the power is cut these hard drives convert the momentum in the spinning disks into enough electricity to zero out the onboard encryption key, which would take moments and render the contents unrecoverable.
The KISS principle suggests that they would use a capacitor.
In many (probably most) U.S. jurisdictions, using a firearm during the commission of a felony is an enhancing factor for charges and/or sentencing. Here in Oregon, it results in mandatory minimum sentencing of 5 years for the first offense.
I don't know if anyone has studied if that actually reduces the number of guns being used during commissions of ordinary burglaries.