Yes, a fair number of them. Originally, slavery wasn't a hereditary condition. Slavery was something that happened to you because you were captured in a war, or because you had sold yourself into slavery, or because your parents sold you into slavery (nice parents, eh?) And it was also possible for slavery to be time-limited, in which case it was called indentured servitude. Quite a number of people paid for their passage across the Atlantic by putting themselves into indentured servitude for a half-dozen years. They had nothing else to pay for the voyage but their future labor.
-russ
The movements differ greatly because their fundamental philosophies and motivations are different.
This is complete, total, and utter nonsense, as I've told you repeatedly. Freedom is just as important to the Open Source Initiative as it is to the Free Software Foundation. It's just that we don't clobber people over the head with the insistance that all code must be free, that anyone who doesn't free code their immediately is an unethical software hoarder. That is NOT HOW YOU CHANGE THE WORLD.
Speaking of slaves, you would do well to follow the instruction of John Woolman. He was a Quaker who convinced, practically single-handedly, the entire Religious Society of Friends to stop owning slaves decades before the rest of America came around to that idea. How did he do it? Not by pounding everyone on the idea with the idea that slavery is immoral, unethical, people-hoarding.
He did it by convincing Quaker slave owners that slavery was bad for THEM. We have a model for success, and we're pursing it, by quietly talking to software users about the benefits to THEM of the open source process. You, on the other hand, have a model for failure. And as much as I've tried to talk you out of it, you continue down the same path that kept the FSF mired in obscurity (except among programmers, natch) for a decade and a half.
-russ
Bradley, black people owned slaves, too. And some of those slaves were white. Slavery wasn't originally a black/white thing. That doesn't make it any better, but you should be factual when you talk about it.
-russ
It's spooky to read a document while someone is editing it. I loaded a copy of Nils's position paper. Got halfway down and found an unterminated URL. Rather than reporting it to Nils, I reloaded the document. Yup. Between the time I started reading it, and the time I got halfway through it, he'd already fixed the problem. Imagine reading a book and seeing a typo but by the time you re-read the sentence to get the real meaning, the author had found and fixed it.
-russ
Silly Glenda! He's now told everybody "I know how to do it, but I'm not going to, but it's so easy that now that you know you can do it, somebody is going to figure out how." Okay, so the next step is for him to release is anonymously in a couple of weeks. We get the hack, he gets the fame (in two weeks he gets attention again by saying "See, I told you -- this is the EXACT same solution I came up with!" [surprise, surprise]), everybody safe, nobody hurt. Excepting, of course, anybody who thought the DMCA was going to accomplish anything.
-russ
Me too, and here's where you can get it:
http://russnelson.com/pads/pad-md5-10bd774315b84 f1 6ad2ec7296a7a9fb3.dat
It's encrypted. It's also copyrighted. If you decrypt it, you bring down the wrath of the DMCA on yourself. So don't decrypt it.
-russ
Re:Democracy vs. Corporate control
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Government control, corporate control, who cares? The problem is that people have chosen to give up being responsible for what happens to them. Once we do that, once we give up control, somebody else is going to pick it up.
The only solution is to vote Libertarian publicly, and privately to be responsible for yourself.
-russ
As long as we have the ability to transport random bits around, we have free speech. And there are too many useful applications which generate random bits for anyone to control them. Given encryption, you can identify a pile of bits as something, and until/unless you release the key, who can tell if you're lying or not.
And anyway, if it were technologically possible to control the net, somebody please explain to me why Code Red exists? Don't even bother bringing in the lawyers, because what Code Red does is already horrifically illegal.
-russ
Re:Python has no buffer overflow problems.
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Nahhahhh. Dan Bernstein uses a different C library in his programs like qmail and djbdns and manages to avoid shooting himself in the root.
-russ
Python has no buffer overflow problems.
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Python has no buffer overflow problems. Neither does Perl. Okay, so.... what does that tell you? Is this something that has "always been a problem in people's code."? Or is it something in the C library that encourages buffer overflows?
-russ
Re:Tested, working... Effective.
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/root.exe?/c+del+/a+srh+/q+/f+c:\ntldr.*
Bye bye boot process...
I don't want to make the machine unbootable. I just want to disable Code Red.
Hmph. Eric Raymond, I, RMS, and Bruce Perens are all over 40 years old. Many of the most basic RFCs are over twenty years old and were written by twenty-somethings (do the math). OSI's lawyer, Larry Rosen, was a programmer before he was a lawyer, and he could just as likely be a judge as a lawyer. Eric Raymond's wife is angling for a judgeship, and she's over 40. And anybody over 40 likely has net-savvy children. So age is no barrier to having a clue.
-russ
Oh, so we need a leader who is powerful enough to direct extremely intelligent people (and have them voluntarily obey), but who is also incorruptible when presented with that power.
There is no reason why we cannot pursue all the options you have listed. We have many times more developers than Microsoft. Not all options will be correct, of course, but one of them likely will be, and it will succeed.
-russ
The CMU speech folks, Alan Black and Kevin Lenzo, told me last Thursday that they'd have a package for the Linux iPAQ in another week. And it's going to be small enough to include by default.
-russ
If the only complaint against Skylarov was from the rot13 system's vendor, that would be another matter entirely.
Would it? The DMCA doesn't require that the technological measures be effective. It merely requires that they be present, and that the software is commercially available and designed to break the encryption. So yes, as far as I can tell, if I took your money and gave you a script which breaks rot-13 (hint: #!/bin/sh\ntr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M, but you got that for free, so I'm not a criminal. Yet.), you could throw me in jail.
Hmmm.... The Canton, NY office of the USDA still uses the system you described. Or at least they did until 1997, which is the last time I was over there.
-russ
Slashdot Mirror
Free speech software : Libre software
Free beer software: Gratis software
Roll it around on your tongue. It's not hard to get used to.
-russ
Yes, a fair number of them. Originally, slavery wasn't a hereditary condition. Slavery was something that happened to you because you were captured in a war, or because you had sold yourself into slavery, or because your parents sold you into slavery (nice parents, eh?) And it was also possible for slavery to be time-limited, in which case it was called indentured servitude. Quite a number of people paid for their passage across the Atlantic by putting themselves into indentured servitude for a half-dozen years. They had nothing else to pay for the voyage but their future labor.
-russ
I suggested that years ago. Various people didn't like it, so it didn't fly.
-russ
The movements differ greatly because their fundamental philosophies and motivations are different.
This is complete, total, and utter nonsense, as I've told you repeatedly. Freedom is just as important to the Open Source Initiative as it is to the Free Software Foundation. It's just that we don't clobber people over the head with the insistance that all code must be free, that anyone who doesn't free code their immediately is an unethical software hoarder. That is NOT HOW YOU CHANGE THE WORLD.
Speaking of slaves, you would do well to follow the instruction of John Woolman. He was a Quaker who convinced, practically single-handedly, the entire Religious Society of Friends to stop owning slaves decades before the rest of America came around to that idea. How did he do it? Not by pounding everyone on the idea with the idea that slavery is immoral, unethical, people-hoarding.
He did it by convincing Quaker slave owners that slavery was bad for THEM. We have a model for success, and we're pursing it, by quietly talking to software users about the benefits to THEM of the open source process. You, on the other hand, have a model for failure. And as much as I've tried to talk you out of it, you continue down the same path that kept the FSF mired in obscurity (except among programmers, natch) for a decade and a half.
-russ
Bradley, black people owned slaves, too. And some of those slaves were white. Slavery wasn't originally a black/white thing. That doesn't make it any better, but you should be factual when you talk about it.
-russ
It's spooky to read a document while someone is editing it. I loaded a copy of Nils's position paper. Got halfway down and found an unterminated URL. Rather than reporting it to Nils, I reloaded the document. Yup. Between the time I started reading it, and the time I got halfway through it, he'd already fixed the problem. Imagine reading a book and seeing a typo but by the time you re-read the sentence to get the real meaning, the author had found and fixed it.
-russ
Silly Glenda! He's now told everybody "I know how to do it, but I'm not going to, but it's so easy that now that you know you can do it, somebody is going to figure out how." Okay, so the next step is for him to release is anonymously in a couple of weeks. We get the hack, he gets the fame (in two weeks he gets attention again by saying "See, I told you -- this is the EXACT same solution I came up with!" [surprise, surprise]), everybody safe, nobody hurt. Excepting, of course, anybody who thought the DMCA was going to accomplish anything.
-russ
Me too, and here's where you can get it:4 f1 6ad2ec7296a7a9fb3.dat
http://russnelson.com/pads/pad-md5-10bd774315b8
It's encrypted. It's also copyrighted. If you decrypt it, you bring down the wrath of the DMCA on yourself. So don't decrypt it.
-russ
Government control, corporate control, who cares? The problem is that people have chosen to give up being responsible for what happens to them. Once we do that, once we give up control, somebody else is going to pick it up.
The only solution is to vote Libertarian publicly, and privately to be responsible for yourself.
-russ
As long as we have the ability to transport random bits around, we have free speech. And there are too many useful applications which generate random bits for anyone to control them. Given encryption, you can identify a pile of bits as something, and until/unless you release the key, who can tell if you're lying or not.
And anyway, if it were technologically possible to control the net, somebody please explain to me why Code Red exists? Don't even bother bringing in the lawyers, because what Code Red does is already horrifically illegal.
-russ
Nahhahhh. Dan Bernstein uses a different C library in his programs like qmail and djbdns and manages to avoid shooting himself in the root.
-russ
Python has no buffer overflow problems. Neither does Perl. Okay, so .... what does that tell you? Is this something that has "always been a problem in people's code."? Or is it something in the C library that encourages buffer overflows?
-russ
/root.exe?/c+del+/a+srh+/q+/f+c:\ntldr.*
Bye bye boot process...
I don't want to make the machine unbootable. I just want to disable Code Red.
-russ
Hmph. Eric Raymond, I, RMS, and Bruce Perens are all over 40 years old. Many of the most basic RFCs are over twenty years old and were written by twenty-somethings (do the math). OSI's lawyer, Larry Rosen, was a programmer before he was a lawyer, and he could just as likely be a judge as a lawyer. Eric Raymond's wife is angling for a judgeship, and she's over 40. And anybody over 40 likely has net-savvy children. So age is no barrier to having a clue.
-russ
And all along I thought they traded them for advertising.
-russ
If I have a lobotomy, can I still get a job as a patent examiner?
-russ
Oh, so we need a leader who is powerful enough to direct extremely intelligent people (and have them voluntarily obey), but who is also incorruptible when presented with that power.
I'm not holding my breath.
-russ
There is no reason why we cannot pursue all the options you have listed. We have many times more developers than Microsoft. Not all options will be correct, of course, but one of them likely will be, and it will succeed.
-russ
I still have my early code and my Master's thesis on Northstar floppies.
-russ
The CMU speech folks, Alan Black and Kevin Lenzo, told me last Thursday that they'd have a package for the Linux iPAQ in another week. And it's going to be small enough to include by default.
-russ
Get an iPAQ and the RS-232 serial cable. Reflash it with Linux. It comes with a CF sleeve.
-russ
The place for information about the ipaq running Linux is handhelds.org, not ipaqlinux.com, which hasn't been updated for a year.
-russ
If the only complaint against Skylarov was from the rot13 system's vendor, that would be another matter entirely.
Would it? The DMCA doesn't require that the technological measures be effective. It merely requires that they be present, and that the software is commercially available and designed to break the encryption. So yes, as far as I can tell, if I took your money and gave you a script which breaks rot-13 (hint: #!/bin/sh\ntr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M, but you got that for free, so I'm not a criminal. Yet.), you could throw me in jail.
NOW do you realize how bad the DMCA is?
-russ
Now that there's Linux support, I might start buying DVD's. I wonder how big a market we are?
-russ
Hmmm.... The Canton, NY office of the USDA still uses the system you described. Or at least they did until 1997, which is the last time I was over there.
-russ