I don't think someone who "knows what's going on" should sit down and tell him anything - that would be just as bad as his lawyer doing so. In fact, so far as he's concerned this might have already happened - we just might not like what he was told!
What needs to happen is for someone to show Lars what Napster is, sans commentary, and let him spend some time himself looking for music, listening to what he downloads, and generally getting to know the product a bit more.
Despite some of the comments to the contrary, Lars struck me as someone who can actually think on his own a little bit. However he's obviously NOT spent much time on the 'net, doesn't completely understand Napster (or MP3 maybe), and has so far refused to educate himself about it all.
If you take a step back and realize that not everyone spends 12+ hours a day on the 'net then you can understand how this might have occured (smile). Lars has probably got the average Joe's level of knowledge about the 'net - or at least the average Congresscritters level of knowledge. This is particularly scary when someone like Lars who has money (or power) decides that something on the 'net he's "heard about" is "bad" and decides to sue - ala Napster. It doesn't take but a brief read of some of the proposed legislation being put through the United States legislatures (sp?) to realize that Lars is far from the only one who's a bit ignorant as to how this "stuff all works" (ahem).
Personally, before educating someone like Lars about the 'net I think we need to educate our lawmakers. Let Lars sue all he wants but God help us when the ignorant lawmakers decide we should ban file all sharing to save us from the Kiddie P0rn! Or maybe ban reverse engineering because exposing security holes is bad - unless it's a federal team that strolls into your office ala Reno (lol).
I bought both games - Q3 and UT but I find myself playing UT almost 100% of the time. My purchase of Q3 was partially based on loyalty to ID - I've spent hundreds of hours playing their games! But the bots in UT actually make mistakes and I can play a game of UT that's not so hectic that it loses all strategy. Q3 was pretty cool but the CTF wasn't too hot and CTF is all I ever play except maybe a bit of assualt.
Maybe it's just me but I LIKE strategy, I LIKE defending a goal, deathmatch is just not interesting to me. As such UT is what I play and while I still believe in ID, having bought all of their games since Castle Wolfenstien (sp?), I think that it's time they changed direction a bit.
UT has some pretty good innovations, and Tribes has also got some awesome innovations - for that matter I did liek SOME of what Q3 brought to us. I just hope that the next ID game is bigger, possibly has some sort of "world" like UO and Everquest, and isn't quite so fast paced. I just can't get into twitch fests with jumping eyeballs and while that was cool for awhile it quickly wore off.
Heh, it's funny - until I read this thread I didn't even realize that he'd released a map pack. The as shipped CTF maps blew and the lack of a grapple ticked me off too.
Good luck to Zoid, he really did make Quake fun for me as without CTF I'd have stopped playing it much more quickly!
I'm not running 10machines here so for my calcs I reduced the keyrate to about 1million per box. I also did some other figuring, if my current employer would do this and we've got 20K+ employees - all with machines - and assuming they all had decent CPUs (*cough*) then we'd blow these guys into the weeds.
Of course, getting the buy-in would take forever and would require leadership on the part of the managers. It would also require us to have recapped our computer hardware and be up to snuff on every box. Yup, the hope for us ever doing this is pretty dim huh? (smile) Maybe they've got 6 or 7K bokes laying around to get 2gigakeys. If the rate fluctuates up and down a good bit this could be more believable. For now I'm still a bit skeptical but if the d.net admins have confirmed this is correct it's a much needed boost in our overall keyrate and I'm happy to have them aboard. It's been a year plus and I'd really like to move onto something more fun to crunch without abandoning this project like so many have for SETI.
I've got 6 computers here - all Intel, all overclocked. My keyrate is generally around 9.5-10million keys per second. Two of these boes are dual SMP Celerons - one running 2X464, the other 2X450 or so (Damn 366s!). My lowliest Celeron - a 266 Celeron runs 448mhz and cranks over 1million keys itself. Despite lacking a cache it flies on RC5 and DES. The dual boxes crank out over 2million keys per second each BTW.
Now - do I believe that this is a real team and number? Well - I'm very skeptical. 2Giga keys - ponder that a moment and compare it to what I'm running. 10 machines here crank say 10million keys - this guy is MANY times that. What does this company do? How many people does it have? How many workstations? Do all of these keys come through one Proxy? I figure he'd have to be running something like 2000 machines in the 450+mhz range to be getting this (unless my math is off and it's more). Mind you, my machines keyrate drops like a rock when I run something intensive so he must have more than what I calculated or be rolling in cash to let that many machines be dedicated to this task. Nugget said that this was a couple of SPARCs and the rest WIN32 machines so this isn't a CPU breakthrough here. That leaves one serious bunch of CPUs.
I dunno' - I guess if I had buy-in from the agency I work for and loaded RC5 on EVERY machine AND managed to coax the users NOT to turn off their machines at night I'd be able to have 2K+ machines doing this but what big company is going to allow this? In 3 days they went from zero to 2giga. Did that not ramp up over days as software was installed? Perhaps it was remotely installed but still that'd have to be one seriously organized company and administrative staff.
If this is real, and I'm skeptical, my hat's off to them. Sure wish I could get my employer to do this but we've got brickwalls instead of firewalls:-)
Heh, perhaps a bit of justice is being meeted out. IMO anything done to trash his site is fine by me, I'm more than a little ticked his rant has removed one of my favorite sites! Wonder how JP might feel when his content gets trashed? What a jerk, not sure Harvard looks much better in this either....
Ken's site was pretty dynamic and he just overhauled the entire thing when he moved it over to Harvard's server (grr). Files and exploits were posted on a daily basis if not hourly. On top of that mirroring it for yourself might have been complicated by the fact that his site blocked tools that honored "robot rules" (right term?). Tools that I attempted to use to suck down interesting files during off hours were blocked by his site - yeah these were Wintel tools. Obviously there are tools that would've ignored the rules but having to find such a tool would've made mirroring things harder.
This is a REAL shame and I'm most distressed. If it comes to a legal fight for Ken I'll be contributing to any fund that gets setup. A shame he didn't provide any addresses for the schmoes at Harvard that claim to be destroying his data before he has a chance to stop them - something smells badly here.
That site was one of the best resources on the 'net for security related stuff. I used it on a regualr basis along with several others to keep tabs on what was coming out in the way of exploits. As a sys admin in the INFOSEC field the loss of this site hurts. JP's AntiOnline crap site isn't worth a damn and his antics to get this site removed are pathetic.
your statements concerning this site make it obvious that you've not been paying attention and that you've never visited Packet Storm prior to it's being pulled. You're much the poorer for it....
I live in Manassas VA - a suburb of Washington D.C.
I'm saddled with GTE as my phone company and a company named Jones Communications for my cable. GTE has actually signed me up for ADSL 4 times now only to come back later - sometimes days later - and tell me that it's not yet available! One GTE rep actually told me that not only wasn't it available but they had no plans, this despite the fact that the WEB page had sme as being in an area that received it and despite the fact that the local phone store was handing out brochures for it! When I asked about ADSL at the phone store they told me they had thrown away the brochures because they couldn't get a clear answer from their HQ about availability and were sick of being stuck in the middle - yikes! These people are boobs!
Meanwhile Jones, who sold one-way cable for a couple of months and then stopped, has been telling me for nearly two years that it was just "six months away"! Now I'm being told July August for Jones and since I've gotten this twice in the last few months I might believe it. Seems they've been "redoing their cable plant" - tell the guy to stop taking coffee breaks please! Now the holdup is "we're waiting for modems". I was so pissed at all of this I dumped cable and went with DISH but I know latency would kill any sort of on-line game so even if they offered it I'd decline (sigh)At least they claim to be building a 2way system, I'll believe it when the fairy godmother puts a box on my desk.
I checked into ISDN in my area too. Would you believe GTE charges DOUBLE what Bell charges? They want per minute plus mileage and it's time zoned cost wise! BA territory is just up the road - I actually checked into having a line pulled in but the tariffs would kill me according to the BA rep - at least the BA guys sounded intelligent. I'm so close to BA territory that I get their marketing papers sent to my home - pure torture!
Now I've discovered COVAD. What started out as costing me $49 w/GTE ISP (my first call to GTE - found out later they have no ISP offering in this area!) and which later escalated to $80 a month with GTE (partnered with a single ISP who is out to rape everyone) is now up to $90 a month with COVAD. Add to this nearly $500 in install and modem costs - ouch!
Even then I have to wait a couple of weeks while they get their equipment up, so I'm still stuck at 56K (cough42K). At least COVAD will let me have a static IP for an extra $6 a month and didn't choke when I told them I had 5+ computers - sheesh! Oh, did I mention this is for SDSL 144K? Seems I'm 3.1 miles from their equipment and that's as fast as I can go, ADSL if it were available would cost me on the order of $49 a month - I just can't win!
At least calling COVAD wasn't like calling GTE. With GTE getting a rep that could SPELL ADSL was difficult enough, finding one that wouldn't bounce me between business and residential in an endless loop was impossible. TIP: tell the business guy you want to buy the service, THEN tell them it's for home - ignore them when they ask you what business it's for! How stupid are these people?
I finally told them all - "this is a race, whoever offers me service first wins" - looks like COVAD gets to take my money, Jones and GTE are pathetic! Jones even told me they weren't worried about GTE and owuld be offering dialtone too - that's a truly frightning thought with those morons! I told them I'd been waiting for over a year and that promises didn't connect me any quicker..
So, who else besides COVAD and Flashcom offer ADSL? I heard something about a company named USConnect or net - ring any bells? Flashcom is 404 in my area - surprise!
I'll assume you mean.Gov.. Anyway - why is this a big surprise? Do you really think this was media monitoring or simply smart business? Let me put it another way - I work with one of those three letter Agencies - we monitor CNN all the time. Why? Simple - we\they can't be everywhere at once! Most of these agencies run just liek big newspapers - gather information, draw conclusions, write papers, alert concerned consumers, and try to stay current on what's going on. Would it make sense for an outfit like that to ignore a news source liek CNN or FOX news? That would simply be stupid for them to try and duplicate what already exists.
Having said that - you'd better belkieve that everything of interest that gets reported gets crosschecked and refeenced. More than once I've seen stories that I've got personal knowledge of slanted by the likes of CNN. CNN and all the others want something sensational - if you listened to everything they reported on you'd never board a plane for fear of it crashing seeing's how they make every plane crash out to be a disaster. Never mind that you're more likely to get killed in a car (smile).
Anyway, IMO it's simply smart "business" for organizations that need to stay on top of "news" to monitor ALL sources of potential information... No cloak and dagger stuff here!
Speak to any number of pilots who fly jamming missions for the Stealth. Contrary to much of what's been posted here the "Stealth" doesn't "disappear" from radar. In fact, depending upon the wavelength it does indeed show up just fine on radar - hence the jammers and anti-rad flights.
The Stealth is indeed an amazing plane but it's NOT magic and they have been shot down. What you've said about the gold plating it supposed to be true or at least I've heard it before.
FWIW I'm told (obviously not confirmed) that without the computer aided fly-by-wire a pilot would quickly lost control of the jet. It's supposedly incredibly unstable without computer assistance due to it's flat panels. It's also pretty damned slow:-)
The Lotus "example" is pure unsubstatianted, poorly researched garbage!!!
I have been working with Lotus Notes since version 2 first came out, I know the product well. The entire time Lotus and now Lotus\IBM (actually IRIS) have been producing Notes the Govt. has been all over them about their encryption. The entire time Lotus has been putting out a "weaker" 40bit version of Notes to satisfy the export laws, until R5.
Now, Lotus has come up with a compromise that they had hoped would allow them to get back to having only one code stream. That solution was to escrow 24bits (believe that's right) with NSA such that they could export Notes without major changes. This has been PUBLICLY STATED BY LOTUS in at least two VERY PUBLIC conferences dedicated to Notes that I have personally attended - and probably many others I haven't. Anyone attend Euro-Lotusphere that can comment? Folks, IT WAS NO SECRET! Period - end of story - full stop. Lotus made this known! To assert otherwise is truly funny!
This story about the Swiss is pure BS - if they didn't know that 24bits were escrowed with NSA it was because they didn't ask - not the fault of Lotus is it? Is the US Govt. policy on encryption so secret that the Swiss never bothered to wonder how it was Lotus got a product "stronger" than 40bits out of the country? Come on - are they that stupid? Someone in Switzerland didn't do their homework, covering it up by saying Lotus did this in "secret" is pretty silly.
If you want really bad - look at the French version of Notes. It's WEAKER than 40bits! How, Why?! Well, it seems the French Govt. wouldn't allow them to sell Notes in their country if it wasn't this weak! Yup, R5 French is weak as wet tissue and not because Lotus wanted it this way. In a security forum hosted by Lotus they publicly stated they wouldn't use the French version no matter what - it's that weak and they hate it! But, they had to satisfy the French Govt. or not sell their product. I THINK the French version is only 24bit - I'm not positive.
Lotus is NOT a bad guy in this, stupid reporters to the contrary. Sit in on any of the security forums at Lotusphere and listen to the Lotus guys talk about how they don't think 64bit is strong enough anymore, how they intend to go 128bit or better (did R5 get this? I'm not yet using it yet), and how they do their Public Key stuff. These guys are and have been so far ahead of the X509 crap it's not even funny. These guys have had certificates for years and STILL have useful features not yet implemented in X509 (hello - cert chaining?). They did this for funsies? And then we get articles that blast Lotus for being in cahoots with the Govt or NSA? Obviously someone isn't paying attention and hasn't done any research on Lotus - their making encryption so easy to use in Notes has NOT made them the US Govt's friend by ANY stretch of the imagination!
P.S. Know what's really funny? That someone will read an article like this or the one dealing with the Swiss and take it as gospel without ever researching it. Heh, if you want to know how it all really works Lotus has a White Paper in PDF on their site that goes DEEP into the details. I'd provide an URL but it's not handy, I'm only part way through it myself but it's damned detailed. Let's see M$ put something this detailed together about Exchange or NT! (lol)
Check through the MS part about accessibility and internationalization. See this -> "Why don't we address the int'l and accessibility point?" -
LOL! Looks to me like someone made a comment or edit and it didn't get yanked before it hit the WEB! Considering that the int'l part was recently discussed on/. I'm pretty sure I know where they got that data point!
Still, I hope Linux wins or at least makes a good showing.
I'm new to Linux and still learning (damn RH6 won't recognize my NIC and RH 5.2 did!)but if some of what MS said is true then it would seem they've helped identify areas that need work. The beauty of this is that those points will get worked out far faster Open Source then they would in the closed offices of Microsoft. A nice GUI for admin and Kernel compiling would sure help me out - and no Xconfig isn't what I mean! I only wish I had the programming skills required to help...
It paused for a loooong time and I actually killed the window a couple of times before I decided to just let it ride. After hanging on the first 30K about three times it finally spat the whole page out real fast. This on a T1 connection so it wasn't a bandwidth thing...
The Celeron is NOT to underestimated. I've got a PPGA 300A running 504mhz no sweat with only a TEC and decent heatsink to cool it. Another system runs SMP Celerons@464mhz each. I measure performance by the bang for the buck ruler - Celerons clearly win that battle right now! None of my CPUs cost me much more than $60 plus heatsink and MSI adapter. That's dirt cheap computing and I'm going to be very interested to see how my NT server responds to an overclocked PPGA 366. Don't worry - the SMP system is RH5.2 right now...
As for the K7 - I'm waiting for it to arrive with bated breath. I've got contacts in the hardware world telling me that the performance numbers quoted by so many hardware sites are crap - the K7 configs seen by those sites were far from shipping systems. Whether or not this is true I don't know but I REALLY want the K7 to succeeed. My biggest concern is cost - will this puppy be so expensive that no one can afford it? I'm hearing that the new PIIIs are overheating so maybe the competition is faltering and AMD will have a good chance - we'll see. AMD is supposed to release this chip in July at something like 550mhz, meanwhile Intel readies it's 600mhz PIII to counter the faster AMD. If both chips benchmark closely (FPU on the K7 promises to be stellar tho') then it'll be interesting to see who decides to switch. Overall cost of switching (mb etc.) may be what stops many from doing it.
Next couple of months are going to be VERY interesting. I'm rooting for AMD myself and have bought some stock as well. If nothing they'll give Intel a pretty good run for their money. Don't use their previous CPUs as a benchmark for the K7 - I don't believe those had the benefits of Alpha technology. The yield they can produce from such a big die will make a difference, K6-3 are supposed to be hard to get now (sigh). When they goto.18 it's supposed to halve the wafer real-estate needed and increase the number of chips produced by better than half....
P.S. Since AMD has said they won't be locking these chips it's overclocking ability will be fun to explore - someone needs to mass produce a cooling system like HOCP used, I'd buy one!
I use several products that display ads while running. The best one is GoZilla! which is an excellent download manager. I don't notice the ads usually and once in awhile I actually click on one if it's interesting enough. I paid nothing for the software, it works well, so I don't worry about it. A word processor might be different since i'd certainly be staring at it more often. I'd expect that as things got bad people would beging hacking the code to disable the banners - already I run banner blocking software when surfing pages.
It's a battle for our eyes. It's not so bad when it's a minor skirmish or two but can you imagine if every app on your screen did it? Or if you had oen of those "free" PCs with banners all over the screen? How much bandwidth might you lose when all of those apps are reporting hit rates back to their servers and dowloading new ads? Yikes - this oculd get really UGLY.....
I use several products that display ads while running. The best one is GoZilla! which is an excellent download manager. I don't notice the ads usually and once in awhile I actually click on one if it's interesting enough. I paid nothing for the software, it works well, so I don't worry about it. A word processor might be different since i'd certainly be staring at it more often. I'd expect that as things got bad people would beging hacking the code to disable the banners - already I run banner blocking software when surfing pages.
It's a battle for our eyes. It's no so bad when it's a minor skirmish or two but can you imagine if every app on your screen did it? Or if you had oen of those "free" PCs with banners all over the screen? How much bandwidth might you lose when all of those apps are reporting hit rates back to their servers and dowloading new ads? Yikes - this oculd get really UGLY.....
Those "punk kids" are tomorrow's (if not today's) decision makers. Belittling them isn't a bright move on any company's part. This guy sounds like he's on the defensive or simply doesn't understand the market. Linux is only going to get better, he may one day regret those harsh words ala "640K is all anyone will ever need" (ahem).
Hrm, wonder how he'd feel if the "next big app" his customer wanted had a license that stated specificly that it could be ported anywhere but to SCO UNIX?:-)
After high school one of the punks that used to pick on me spotted me driving down the road. He in a jeep full of jocks me in my late model Mustang. When we pulled up to a light I was first in line and he was just behind me while cars whizzed by just ahead of me in the intersection. Sure enough the dork contacts my bumper and tries to PUSH my car into traffic! He wasn't successful and was soon pounding on my window threatening me. When the light turned green he followed me to my friend's home, nearly hitting a pedestrian. We called the cops from his phone and he left before they arrived.
The next day I was in the magistrate's office with the cop swearing a warrant - the cop it seems had examined his record and found it "interesting".
He didn't show up in traffic court but he did try to appeal after being found guilty. I had witnesses and he was again found guilty - and his fine more than doubled. what fun it was riding the elevator down with him and a balif as he set off to pay his hefty fee. I and my friend just chuckled...
Use the law when you can and when it's on your side. Don't hesitate but do be aware when you might be crossing the line. You're no better than they are if you cross the line, do so at your own risk. It's much better to simply get past high school and move on than get stupid and get caught trying to get your revenge.....
Dude, you're making it through, not taking it too seriously, and are getting something out of it to boot. Why do you think anyone would flame you for that?
If you can get through high school and get something out of it, bonus! If you can't because you're too bright and are bored to tears in class just suffer through - it'll get better. There's no reason to flame someone who's managed to make the best of it - I reserve my flames for idiots instead:-)
I too got into fights in school - all the way up from elementary school through high school. I got my ass kicked on a regular basis mostly but by the time I reached high school I was doing a bit of damage myself. Sure, you get your butt kicked, but let a jock walk away with a bloody nose a time or two and people stop trying to fight you.
I was small (6'2 now) and weaker but when I fought there were no rules. Bite one of those jerks, pull their hair out - they'll think you're crazy. By the time you hit high school everyone is big enough to hurt one another so make sure that you're not the only one walking away hurt. Even the victor bears scars when you get big enough.
Always walk away when you can (others have said that), don't run, and stand your ground even when it means getting a bit beat up. If you must fight school is the best place, witnesses abound and there are people around to stop it from getting really bad. Never throw the first punch - that's all my parents ever cared about. Let them swing first and try to have witnesses.
Eventually you'll get older and this kind of petty crap ought to stop. I may never have won a fight in school but I always made sure I wasn't an easy target to swing at either - hurt 'em back.
Ya' know - it's truly sad this crap still goes on...
Yeah, no shooting but how many geeks can watch that and not see some of themselves in each of the characters? That movie came out when I was in high school - me and my outcast friends cried at the end and got stinking drunk - Keith Merrifield where are you now?
Sad to say, I actually remember those days fondly now but back then life was a real bitch...
For this crowd I suppose I'm an old fart - pushing 32 years old. When I was in school I too was set apart from the others and ridiculed. I and my friends fit in with NO group and often received the scorn of others. The biggest thing that bound us together was our being different. Some of us were into D&D, some of us built homemade bombs for fun, most all of us had IQs that would shame the popular people.
I'll never forget NOT going to the senior prom. A couple of weeks before that date one of the popular girls asked me to go with her, I turned her down because I thought it was a setup for a joke - I've always wondered. I once lost a good friend who was one of the popular girls after a mistaken comment overheard by someone else. This after she and I managed to get pretty friendly one evening but not THAT friendly. She told me that even if she could believe I wasn't telling people things that she could no longer be seen with me - that hurt.
I graduated high school with low grades and lower self esteem. I worked in a drug store for a year full time before going to a local tech school to learn computer repair. I landed a halfway decent job that was a foot in the door and worked two jobs to afford my own apt. away from home. Times were pretty tough but I had a computer and 2400baud modem at home. I owned no TV and spent ALL of my time on BBS and learned a great deal. All of my equipment was second hand and it was a wonderous day when I got a HD and 286 CPU.
It wasn't long before it was realized by my supervisors that no one else in the shop knew shit about software. Everyone knew hardware fine but I was the only one in the shop who could diagnose software problems and before long I was the one going on the really tough service calls.
I left that company just after trying to learn a bit about DbaseIV - I'd never done any real programming before and had failed a FORTAN class years before on a CP/M machine in high school. My first day on the new job I was introduced as the "new DbaseIV expert" and had 30 days overlap with the guy I was replacing to learn it!
I learned well and before long made more than my supervisor. That was several companies ago and I've busted my ass sucking up knowledge as fast as I can. I never got a degree but nearly everyone I work with these days has a Bachelors and is working on a Masters or two. Where they spend a bit of time learning computer "things" I spend hours and it shows when the rubber meets the road. I'll gross a bit over 80K this year not including bonuses and I own my own home along with a couple of cars I like to play\tinker\modify. Not only that but I've found a good Girl who was interested in me because I had a mind and when SHE calls me a geek it's with affection. She doesn't have my computer skills but she's got a brain and I can respect her as much as she does me.
I still remember high school. I most remember the first reunion I went to with an ex-girlfriend who graduated one year ahead of me. I bumped into a teacher who now saw me more as a peer. The other punks there were just getting out of college, heavy in debt. I was living on my own and doing okay at the time. The teacher, she looked at me, smiled, and said "you're doing pretty damned good!". I looked arond, saw the other for what they were and just nodded. The next year it was my reunion and I felt great pride looking at all th elosers who used to be so popular. Few of them got anywhere but some of my friends did. Two own their own companies and one actually dumped one of the most popular girls in our class. When I asked him how they met I found out they worked in the same building and had met in an elevator. She'd never have talked to him in school but she dated him in the real world. He dumped her because she wasn't too bright and couldn't hold a conversation - I just had to laugh. My hat's off to you Lee B. - you know who you are - send me some mail.
Anyway, trust me gang life gets better. Slough off the jerks, work hard, catch a break. Want to feel better? Get a good job and let them eat your dust!
I play every one of the games mentioned in various news reports. I blast people like nobody's business and love every minute of it. I'd never go postal like those kids did but I can understand where they came from. I was ridiculed for being different and I watched my friends suffer too. We had the capability to do what those kids did back then but why bother? We weren't happy but we weren't that unhappy either. We all felt confident that when push came to shove we'd wind up ahead, with the exception of the few who got deep into drugs we all did. I almost shit my pants when one friend brought a gun to school and showed me, thank god he never used it. Funny thing was, I never worried that he would nor did I tell anyone about it at the time. I don't know why...
If you identify with those kids, take heart. Eventually you'll be away from the jerks and in the real world where your achievements get you ahead and people care far less about what you wear. FWIW I too got interrogated once or twice for things I didn't do and each time they finally gave up. Had I known then what I know now there would've a lawsuit or two (sigh). When the going gets real tough simply ask them to charge you or get you a lawyer. Discuss it with your folks before you're ever questioned and get their backing to pick you up out front if you have to walk out of school. Hope that it never gets that bad but it might and it did for me at least once. I was lucky enough to have parents that supported me like that may they RIP, I hope you do too.
Hang in there! BLKMGK
P.S. GeekGirls? Where were you when I was that age? There still aren't enough of you out there but I've found mine:-P
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I've been interested in this sort of thing for a long while and have been overclocking since the old 8088 days when it took a soldering iron and crystals from the local 'Shack.
Anyway, cooling with refrigerant has never really appealed to me much. There may be some danger in working with the Freon, I'm not terribly familiar with the technology involved, and the power drain could wind up being significant. Some of you have posted about simply placing a computer in a small refrigerator - this has already been done and it was found that the compressor in the 'frig couldn't keep up with the heavy heat load of an overclocked CPU - the compressor ran full time. The OCP article mentions this problem too, frankly I found the article very well written covering many bases most people forget.
Anyway, my focus has been to build a water cooled Peltier assembly. I currently use Peltiers to cool a PPGA 300A enough to go 504mhz (stable) but the heatsink become significantly warmer due to the Pelt's heat. Obviously such a setup isn't ever likely to go below ambient either.
Some have mentioned condensation and water as being really big issues. So long as the water is sealed out of your sink this isn't an issue. Condensation can be avoided by decent insulation - remember that condensation only forms when components cooler than the dew point meet humid air. Avoid this and you're fine.
One of the last hurdles to consider (IMO) FSB speeds. Currently there just aren't enough selections and Intel's damned multiplier locking is making life a bitch. The Turbo.PLL the Japanese are working on may fix this as it'll allow you to vary the FSB in increments while keeping things liek the AGP and PCI cards at a normal speed.
Way below are some URLs to check out. Note that some are in Kanji as the Japanese have really had a good time with this. Note too that Melcor sells components to water cool Peltiers for industrial applications and apparently not retail, someone needs to resell these parts! Lastly, the Socket 7 CPUs and the PPGA Celerons share a common size, the PPGA chips also appear to run cooler than their slot one brothers. My fastest systems all run the PPGA Celerons including one dual SMP system that's not actively cooled but still gets 2X464mhz. Note that I've not yet managed to get a successful water system running but am working on it. Car heater cores work well for heat exchanges, RedLine Water Wetter helps improve heat transfer, and small fountain pumps move massive amounts of water - these are designed to be constant duty too. All Electronics sells Pelts cheap BTW.
On with the URLs! Here are just a few of what I've got and I'd welcome correspondance on this subject if my HotMail 'box can handle it! ------------ http://www.melcor.com/ - Industrial hardware cooling supplier http://www.agaweb.com/coolcpu/ English water cooling site w/plans http://e-sdi.com/west/intro.htm English water cooling project, self contained http://www.mune.com/mcp2.htm Japanese site, Kanji w/Multiple projects shown. http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/index.html Japanese hardware site - Kanji http://www.jah.ne.jp/~ken1/kenO.htm Japanese project - Kanji
I'd post more but after 5 Netscape crashes I've got to run. Explore the Japanese sites and check out the Turbo.PLL if you happen across it - that site is slowly being translated. If this is of real interest I'll try to post more URLs when I've more time!
Enjoy!
P.S. no time to preview, hope it comes across okay!
And who's to say that any of those are easier? Does RH have marketing, you bet they do! Is that bad? I don't think so - it makes others including myself aware of their product. If the other groups don't market is that reason for RH to be booed or handicapped in any way? I don't think so!
Will I try other distributions? Maybe, but right now I need the training wheels that RH is lending me. As I get deeper into the nuances I'll more likely appreciate the differences between various distributions but right now I went with the shiny box that had the really decent install book inside. Yup, that book really helped me learn some of the really basic stuff - things that most everyone else takes for granted. Am I stupid? No, I'm just ignorant about Linux and RH is providing me with a way to learn. That was worht the $20 entrance fee. Perhaps next time I'll simply DL a copy but $20 is a pittance for an OS and I'm willing to pay for someone's sweat who took the time to put it together for me.
Look at it this way, there are lot's of bicycles out there, I simply chose the one I wanted that stood out and came with training wheels. Flipping a coin wasn't an option and none of the other distributions had done anything to stand out in my mind - that's not Red Hat's fault is it? (shrug) I can't use ESP to pick "easiest" but if it's any consolation I did wait till it was on sale and I didn't buy the most expensive one on the shelf....
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I don't think someone who "knows what's going on" should sit down and tell him anything - that would be just as bad as his lawyer doing so. In fact, so far as he's concerned this might have already happened - we just might not like what he was told!
What needs to happen is for someone to show Lars what Napster is, sans commentary, and let him spend some time himself looking for music, listening to what he downloads, and generally getting to know the product a bit more.
Despite some of the comments to the contrary, Lars struck me as someone who can actually think on his own a little bit. However he's obviously NOT spent much time on the 'net, doesn't completely understand Napster (or MP3 maybe), and has so far refused to educate himself about it all.
If you take a step back and realize that not everyone spends 12+ hours a day on the 'net then you can understand how this might have occured (smile). Lars has probably got the average Joe's level of knowledge about the 'net - or at least the average Congresscritters level of knowledge. This is particularly scary when someone like Lars who has money (or power) decides that something on the 'net he's "heard about" is "bad" and decides to sue - ala Napster. It doesn't take but a brief read of some of the proposed legislation being put through the United States legislatures (sp?) to realize that Lars is far from the only one who's a bit ignorant as to how this "stuff all works" (ahem).
Personally, before educating someone like Lars about the 'net I think we need to educate our lawmakers. Let Lars sue all he wants but God help us when the ignorant lawmakers decide we should ban file all sharing to save us from the Kiddie P0rn! Or maybe ban reverse engineering because exposing security holes is bad - unless it's a federal team that strolls into your office ala Reno (lol).
I bought both games - Q3 and UT but I find myself playing UT almost 100% of the time. My purchase of Q3 was partially based on loyalty to ID - I've spent hundreds of hours playing their games! But the bots in UT actually make mistakes and I can play a game of UT that's not so hectic that it loses all strategy. Q3 was pretty cool but the CTF wasn't too hot and CTF is all I ever play except maybe a bit of assualt.
Maybe it's just me but I LIKE strategy, I LIKE defending a goal, deathmatch is just not interesting to me. As such UT is what I play and while I still believe in ID, having bought all of their games since Castle Wolfenstien (sp?), I think that it's time they changed direction a bit.
UT has some pretty good innovations, and Tribes has also got some awesome innovations - for that matter I did liek SOME of what Q3 brought to us. I just hope that the next ID game is bigger, possibly has some sort of "world" like UO and Everquest, and isn't quite so fast paced. I just can't get into twitch fests with jumping eyeballs and while that was cool for awhile it quickly wore off.
Heh, it's funny - until I read this thread I didn't even realize that he'd released a map pack. The as shipped CTF maps blew and the lack of a grapple ticked me off too.
Good luck to Zoid, he really did make Quake fun for me as without CTF I'd have stopped playing it much more quickly!
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I'm not running 10machines here so for my calcs I reduced the keyrate to about 1million per box. I also did some other figuring, if my current employer would do this and we've got 20K+ employees - all with machines - and assuming they all had decent CPUs (*cough*) then we'd blow these guys into the weeds.
Of course, getting the buy-in would take forever and would require leadership on the part of the managers. It would also require us to have recapped our computer hardware and be up to snuff on every box. Yup, the hope for us ever doing this is pretty dim huh? (smile) Maybe they've got 6 or 7K bokes laying around to get 2gigakeys. If the rate fluctuates up and down a good bit this could be more believable. For now I'm still a bit skeptical but if the d.net admins have confirmed this is correct it's a much needed boost in our overall keyrate and I'm happy to have them aboard. It's been a year plus and I'd really like to move onto something more fun to crunch without abandoning this project like so many have for SETI.
I've got 6 computers here - all Intel, all overclocked. My keyrate is generally around 9.5-10million keys per second. Two of these boes are dual SMP Celerons - one running 2X464, the other 2X450 or so (Damn 366s!). My lowliest Celeron - a 266 Celeron runs 448mhz and cranks over 1million keys itself. Despite lacking a cache it flies on RC5 and DES. The dual boxes crank out over 2million keys per second each BTW.
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Now - do I believe that this is a real team and number? Well - I'm very skeptical. 2Giga keys - ponder that a moment and compare it to what I'm running. 10 machines here crank say 10million keys - this guy is MANY times that. What does this company do? How many people does it have? How many workstations? Do all of these keys come through one Proxy? I figure he'd have to be running something like 2000 machines in the 450+mhz range to be getting this (unless my math is off and it's more). Mind you, my machines keyrate drops like a rock when I run something intensive so he must have more than what I calculated or be rolling in cash to let that many machines be dedicated to this task. Nugget said that this was a couple of SPARCs and the rest WIN32 machines so this isn't a CPU breakthrough here. That leaves one serious bunch of CPUs.
I dunno' - I guess if I had buy-in from the agency I work for and loaded RC5 on EVERY machine AND managed to coax the users NOT to turn off their machines at night I'd be able to have 2K+ machines doing this but what big company is going to allow this? In 3 days they went from zero to 2giga. Did that not ramp up over days as software was installed? Perhaps it was remotely installed but still that'd have to be one seriously organized company and administrative staff.
If this is real, and I'm skeptical, my hat's off to them. Sure wish I could get my employer to do this but we've got brickwalls instead of firewalls
Heh, perhaps a bit of justice is being meeted out. IMO anything done to trash his site is fine by me, I'm more than a little ticked his rant has removed one of my favorite sites! Wonder how JP might feel when his content gets trashed? What a jerk, not sure Harvard looks much better in this either....
Ken's site was pretty dynamic and he just overhauled the entire thing when he moved it over to Harvard's server (grr). Files and exploits were posted on a daily basis if not hourly. On top of that mirroring it for yourself might have been complicated by the fact that his site blocked tools that honored "robot rules" (right term?). Tools that I attempted to use to suck down interesting files during off hours were blocked by his site - yeah these were Wintel tools. Obviously there are tools that would've ignored the rules but having to find such a tool would've made mirroring things harder.
This is a REAL shame and I'm most distressed. If it comes to a legal fight for Ken I'll be contributing to any fund that gets setup. A shame he didn't provide any addresses for the schmoes at Harvard that claim to be destroying his data before he has a chance to stop them - something smells badly here.
That site was one of the best resources on the 'net for security related stuff. I used it on a regualr basis along with several others to keep tabs on what was coming out in the way of exploits. As a sys admin in the INFOSEC field the loss of this site hurts. JP's AntiOnline crap site isn't worth a damn and his antics to get this site removed are pathetic.
your statements concerning this site make it obvious that you've not been paying attention and that you've never visited Packet Storm prior to it's being pulled. You're much the poorer for it....
A shame you couldn't tell us who you were - some of us in VA would kill to find someone capable of handling a DSL order. Oh well!
I live in Manassas VA - a suburb of Washington D.C.
I'm saddled with GTE as my phone company and a company named Jones Communications for my cable. GTE has actually signed me up for ADSL 4 times now only to come back later - sometimes days later - and tell me that it's not yet available! One GTE rep actually told me that not only wasn't it available but they had no plans, this despite the fact that the WEB page had sme as being in an area that received it and despite the fact that the local phone store was handing out brochures for it! When I asked about ADSL at the phone store they told me they had thrown away the brochures because they couldn't get a clear answer from their HQ about availability and were sick of being stuck in the middle - yikes! These people are boobs!
Meanwhile Jones, who sold one-way cable for a couple of months and then stopped, has been telling me for nearly two years that it was just "six months away"! Now I'm being told July August for Jones and since I've gotten this twice in the last few months I might believe it. Seems they've been "redoing their cable plant" - tell the guy to stop taking coffee breaks please! Now the holdup is "we're waiting for modems". I was so pissed at all of this I dumped cable and went with DISH but I know latency would kill any sort of on-line game so even if they offered it I'd decline (sigh)At least they claim to be building a 2way system, I'll believe it when the fairy godmother puts a box on my desk.
I checked into ISDN in my area too. Would you believe GTE charges DOUBLE what Bell charges? They want per minute plus mileage and it's time zoned cost wise! BA territory is just up the road - I actually checked into having a line pulled in but the tariffs would kill me according to the BA rep - at least the BA guys sounded intelligent. I'm so close to BA territory that I get their marketing papers sent to my home - pure torture!
Now I've discovered COVAD. What started out as costing me $49 w/GTE ISP (my first call to GTE - found out later they have no ISP offering in this area!) and which later escalated to $80 a month with GTE (partnered with a single ISP who is out to rape everyone) is now up to $90 a month with COVAD. Add to this nearly $500 in install and modem costs - ouch!
Even then I have to wait a couple of weeks while they get their equipment up, so I'm still stuck at 56K (cough42K). At least COVAD will let me have a static IP for an extra $6 a month and didn't choke when I told them I had 5+ computers - sheesh! Oh, did I mention this is for SDSL 144K? Seems I'm 3.1 miles from their equipment and that's as fast as I can go, ADSL if it were available would cost me on the order of $49 a month - I just can't win!
At least calling COVAD wasn't like calling GTE. With GTE getting a rep that could SPELL ADSL was difficult enough, finding one that wouldn't bounce me between business and residential in an endless loop was impossible. TIP: tell the business guy you want to buy the service, THEN tell them it's for home - ignore them when they ask you what business it's for! How stupid are these people?
I finally told them all - "this is a race, whoever offers me service first wins" - looks like COVAD gets to take my money, Jones and GTE are pathetic! Jones even told me they weren't worried about GTE and owuld be offering dialtone too - that's a truly frightning thought with those morons! I told them I'd been waiting for over a year and that promises didn't connect me any quicker..
So, who else besides COVAD and Flashcom offer ADSL? I heard something about a company named USConnect or net - ring any bells? Flashcom is 404 in my area - surprise!
I'll assume you mean .Gov.. Anyway - why is this a big surprise? Do you really think this was media monitoring or simply smart business? Let me put it another way - I work with one of those three letter Agencies - we monitor CNN all the time. Why? Simple - we\they can't be everywhere at once! Most of these agencies run just liek big newspapers - gather information, draw conclusions, write papers, alert concerned consumers, and try to stay current on what's going on. Would it make sense for an outfit like that to ignore a news source liek CNN or FOX news? That would simply be stupid for them to try and duplicate what already exists.
Having said that - you'd better belkieve that everything of interest that gets reported gets crosschecked and refeenced. More than once I've seen stories that I've got personal knowledge of slanted by the likes of CNN. CNN and all the others want something sensational - if you listened to everything they reported on you'd never board a plane for fear of it crashing seeing's how they make every plane crash out to be a disaster. Never mind that you're more likely to get killed in a car (smile).
Anyway, IMO it's simply smart "business" for organizations that need to stay on top of "news" to monitor ALL sources of potential information... No cloak and dagger stuff here!
Speak to any number of pilots who fly jamming missions for the Stealth. Contrary to much of what's been posted here the "Stealth" doesn't "disappear" from radar. In fact, depending upon the wavelength it does indeed show up just fine on radar - hence the jammers and anti-rad flights.
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The Stealth is indeed an amazing plane but it's NOT magic and they have been shot down. What you've said about the gold plating it supposed to be true or at least I've heard it before.
FWIW I'm told (obviously not confirmed) that without the computer aided fly-by-wire a pilot would quickly lost control of the jet. It's supposedly incredibly unstable without computer assistance due to it's flat panels. It's also pretty damned slow
The Lotus "example" is pure unsubstatianted, poorly researched garbage!!!
I have been working with Lotus Notes since version 2 first came out, I know the product well. The entire time Lotus and now Lotus\IBM (actually IRIS) have been producing Notes the Govt. has been all over them about their encryption. The entire time Lotus has been putting out a "weaker" 40bit version of Notes to satisfy the export laws, until R5.
Now, Lotus has come up with a compromise that they had hoped would allow them to get back to having only one code stream. That solution was to escrow 24bits (believe that's right) with NSA such that they could export Notes without major changes. This has been PUBLICLY STATED BY LOTUS in at least two VERY PUBLIC conferences dedicated to Notes that I have personally attended - and probably many others I haven't. Anyone attend Euro-Lotusphere that can comment? Folks, IT WAS NO SECRET! Period - end of story - full stop. Lotus made this known! To assert otherwise is truly funny!
This story about the Swiss is pure BS - if they didn't know that 24bits were escrowed with NSA it was because they didn't ask - not the fault of Lotus is it? Is the US Govt. policy on encryption so secret that the Swiss never bothered to wonder how it was Lotus got a product "stronger" than 40bits out of the country? Come on - are they that stupid? Someone in Switzerland didn't do their homework, covering it up by saying Lotus did this in "secret" is pretty silly.
If you want really bad - look at the French version of Notes. It's WEAKER than 40bits! How, Why?! Well, it seems the French Govt. wouldn't allow them to sell Notes in their country if it wasn't this weak! Yup, R5 French is weak as wet tissue and not because Lotus wanted it this way. In a security forum hosted by Lotus they publicly stated they wouldn't use the French version no matter what - it's that weak and they hate it! But, they had to satisfy the French Govt. or not sell their product. I THINK the French version is only 24bit - I'm not positive.
Lotus is NOT a bad guy in this, stupid reporters to the contrary. Sit in on any of the security forums at Lotusphere and listen to the Lotus guys talk about how they don't think 64bit is strong enough anymore, how they intend to go 128bit or better (did R5 get this? I'm not yet using it yet), and how they do their Public Key stuff. These guys are and have been so far ahead of the X509 crap it's not even funny. These guys have had certificates for years and STILL have useful features not yet implemented in X509 (hello - cert chaining?). They did this for funsies? And then we get articles that blast Lotus for being in cahoots with the Govt or NSA? Obviously someone isn't paying attention and hasn't done any research on Lotus - their making encryption so easy to use in Notes has NOT made them the US Govt's friend by ANY stretch of the imagination!
P.S. Know what's really funny? That someone will read an article like this or the one dealing with the Swiss and take it as gospel without ever researching it. Heh, if you want to know how it all really works Lotus has a White Paper in PDF on their site that goes DEEP into the details. I'd provide an URL but it's not handy, I'm only part way through it myself but it's damned detailed. Let's see M$ put something this detailed together about Exchange or NT! (lol)
Check through the MS part about accessibility and internationalization. See this -> "Why don't we address the int'l and accessibility point?" -
/. I'm pretty sure I know where they got that data point!
LOL! Looks to me like someone made a comment or edit and it didn't get yanked before it hit the WEB! Considering that the int'l part was recently discussed on
Still, I hope Linux wins or at least makes a good showing.
I'm new to Linux and still learning (damn RH6 won't recognize my NIC and RH 5.2 did!)but if some of what MS said is true then it would seem they've helped identify areas that need work. The beauty of this is that those points will get worked out far faster Open Source then they would in the closed offices of Microsoft. A nice GUI for admin and Kernel compiling would sure help me out - and no Xconfig isn't what I mean! I only wish I had the programming skills required to help...
It paused for a loooong time and I actually killed the window a couple of times before I decided to just let it ride. After hanging on the first 30K about three times it finally spat the whole page out real fast. This on a T1 connection so it wasn't a bandwidth thing...
The Celeron is NOT to underestimated. I've got a PPGA 300A running 504mhz no sweat with only a TEC and decent heatsink to cool it. Another system runs SMP Celerons@464mhz each. I measure performance by the bang for the buck ruler - Celerons clearly win that battle right now! None of my CPUs cost me much more than $60 plus heatsink and MSI adapter. That's dirt cheap computing and I'm going to be very interested to see how my NT server responds to an overclocked PPGA 366. Don't worry - the SMP system is RH5.2 right now...
.18 it's supposed to halve the wafer real-estate needed and increase the number of chips produced by better than half....
As for the K7 - I'm waiting for it to arrive with bated breath. I've got contacts in the hardware world telling me that the performance numbers quoted by so many hardware sites are crap - the K7 configs seen by those sites were far from shipping systems. Whether or not this is true I don't know but I REALLY want the K7 to succeeed. My biggest concern is cost - will this puppy be so expensive that no one can afford it? I'm hearing that the new PIIIs are overheating so maybe the competition is faltering and AMD will have a good chance - we'll see. AMD is supposed to release this chip in July at something like 550mhz, meanwhile Intel readies it's 600mhz PIII to counter the faster AMD. If both chips benchmark closely (FPU on the K7 promises to be stellar tho') then it'll be interesting to see who decides to switch. Overall cost of switching (mb etc.) may be what stops many from doing it.
Next couple of months are going to be VERY interesting. I'm rooting for AMD myself and have bought some stock as well. If nothing they'll give Intel a pretty good run for their money. Don't use their previous CPUs as a benchmark for the K7 - I don't believe those had the benefits of Alpha technology. The yield they can produce from such a big die will make a difference, K6-3 are supposed to be hard to get now (sigh). When they goto
P.S. Since AMD has said they won't be locking these chips it's overclocking ability will be fun to explore - someone needs to mass produce a cooling system like HOCP used, I'd buy one!
I use several products that display ads while running. The best one is GoZilla! which is an excellent download manager. I don't notice the ads usually and once in awhile I actually click on one if it's interesting enough. I paid nothing for the software, it works well, so I don't worry about it. A word processor might be different since i'd certainly be staring at it more often. I'd expect that as things got bad people would beging hacking the code to disable the banners - already I run banner blocking software when surfing pages.
It's a battle for our eyes. It's not so bad when it's a minor skirmish or two but can you imagine if every app on your screen did it? Or if you had oen of those "free" PCs with banners all over the screen? How much bandwidth might you lose when all of those apps are reporting hit rates back to their servers and dowloading new ads? Yikes - this oculd get really UGLY.....
I use several products that display ads while running. The best one is GoZilla! which is an excellent download manager. I don't notice the ads usually and once in awhile I actually click on one if it's interesting enough. I paid nothing for the software, it works well, so I don't worry about it. A word processor might be different since i'd certainly be staring at it more often. I'd expect that as things got bad people would beging hacking the code to disable the banners - already I run banner blocking software when surfing pages.
It's a battle for our eyes. It's no so bad when it's a minor skirmish or two but can you imagine if every app on your screen did it? Or if you had oen of those "free" PCs with banners all over the screen? How much bandwidth might you lose when all of those apps are reporting hit rates back to their servers and dowloading new ads? Yikes - this oculd get really UGLY.....
Those "punk kids" are tomorrow's (if not today's) decision makers. Belittling them isn't a bright move on any company's part. This guy sounds like he's on the defensive or simply doesn't understand the market. Linux is only going to get better, he may one day regret those harsh words ala "640K is all anyone will ever need" (ahem).
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Hrm, wonder how he'd feel if the "next big app" his customer wanted had a license that stated specificly that it could be ported anywhere but to SCO UNIX?
After high school one of the punks that used to pick on me spotted me driving down the road. He in a jeep full of jocks me in my late model Mustang. When we pulled up to a light I was first in line and he was just behind me while cars whizzed by just ahead of me in the intersection. Sure enough the dork contacts my bumper and tries to PUSH my car into traffic! He wasn't successful and was soon pounding on my window threatening me. When the light turned green he followed me to my friend's home, nearly hitting a pedestrian. We called the cops from his phone and he left before they arrived.
The next day I was in the magistrate's office with the cop swearing a warrant - the cop it seems had examined his record and found it "interesting".
He didn't show up in traffic court but he did try to appeal after being found guilty. I had witnesses and he was again found guilty - and his fine more than doubled. what fun it was riding the elevator down with him and a balif as he set off to pay his hefty fee. I and my friend just chuckled...
Use the law when you can and when it's on your side. Don't hesitate but do be aware when you might be crossing the line. You're no better than they are if you cross the line, do so at your own risk. It's much better to simply get past high school and move on than get stupid and get caught trying to get your revenge.....
Dude, you're making it through, not taking it too seriously, and are getting something out of it to boot. Why do you think anyone would flame you for that?
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If you can get through high school and get something out of it, bonus! If you can't because you're too bright and are bored to tears in class just suffer through - it'll get better. There's no reason to flame someone who's managed to make the best of it - I reserve my flames for idiots instead
I too got into fights in school - all the way up from elementary school through high school. I got my ass kicked on a regular basis mostly but by the time I reached high school I was doing a bit of damage myself. Sure, you get your butt kicked, but let a jock walk away with a bloody nose a time or two and people stop trying to fight you.
I was small (6'2 now) and weaker but when I fought there were no rules. Bite one of those jerks, pull their hair out - they'll think you're crazy. By the time you hit high school everyone is big enough to hurt one another so make sure that you're not the only one walking away hurt. Even the victor bears scars when you get big enough.
Always walk away when you can (others have said that), don't run, and stand your ground even when it means getting a bit beat up. If you must fight school is the best place, witnesses abound and there are people around to stop it from getting really bad. Never throw the first punch - that's all my parents ever cared about. Let them swing first and try to have witnesses.
Eventually you'll get older and this kind of petty crap ought to stop. I may never have won a fight in school but I always made sure I wasn't an easy target to swing at either - hurt 'em back.
Ya' know - it's truly sad this crap still goes on...
Yeah, no shooting but how many geeks can watch that and not see some of themselves in each of the characters? That movie came out when I was in high school - me and my outcast friends cried at the end and got stinking drunk - Keith Merrifield where are you now?
Sad to say, I actually remember those days fondly now but back then life was a real bitch...
For this crowd I suppose I'm an old fart - pushing 32 years old. When I was in school I too was set apart from the others and ridiculed. I and my friends fit in with NO group and often received the scorn of others. The biggest thing that bound us together was our being different. Some of us were into D&D, some of us built homemade bombs for fun, most all of us had IQs that would shame the popular people.
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I'll never forget NOT going to the senior prom. A couple of weeks before that date one of the popular girls asked me to go with her, I turned her down because I thought it was a setup for a joke - I've always wondered. I once lost a good friend who was one of the popular girls after a mistaken comment overheard by someone else. This after she and I managed to get pretty friendly one evening but not THAT friendly. She told me that even if she could believe I wasn't telling people things that she could no longer be seen with me - that hurt.
I graduated high school with low grades and lower self esteem. I worked in a drug store for a year full time before going to a local tech school to learn computer repair. I landed a halfway decent job that was a foot in the door and worked two jobs to afford my own apt. away from home. Times were pretty tough but I had a computer and 2400baud modem at home. I owned no TV and spent ALL of my time on BBS and learned a great deal. All of my equipment was second hand and it was a wonderous day when I got a HD and 286 CPU.
It wasn't long before it was realized by my supervisors that no one else in the shop knew shit about software. Everyone knew hardware fine but I was the only one in the shop who could diagnose software problems and before long I was the one going on the really tough service calls.
I left that company just after trying to learn a bit about DbaseIV - I'd never done any real programming before and had failed a FORTAN class years before on a CP/M machine in high school. My first day on the new job I was introduced as the "new DbaseIV expert" and had 30 days overlap with the guy I was replacing to learn it!
I learned well and before long made more than my supervisor. That was several companies ago and I've busted my ass sucking up knowledge as fast as I can. I never got a degree but nearly everyone I work with these days has a Bachelors and is working on a Masters or two. Where they spend a bit of time learning computer "things" I spend hours and it shows when the rubber meets the road. I'll gross a bit over 80K this year not including bonuses and I own my own home along with a couple of cars I like to play\tinker\modify. Not only that but I've found a good Girl who was interested in me because I had a mind and when SHE calls me a geek it's with affection. She doesn't have my computer skills but she's got a brain and I can respect her as much as she does me.
I still remember high school. I most remember the first reunion I went to with an ex-girlfriend who graduated one year ahead of me. I bumped into a teacher who now saw me more as a peer. The other punks there were just getting out of college, heavy in debt. I was living on my own and doing okay at the time. The teacher, she looked at me, smiled, and said "you're doing pretty damned good!". I looked arond, saw the other for what they were and just nodded. The next year it was my reunion and I felt great pride looking at all th elosers who used to be so popular. Few of them got anywhere but some of my friends did. Two own their own companies and one actually dumped one of the most popular girls in our class. When I asked him how they met I found out they worked in the same building and had met in an elevator. She'd never have talked to him in school but she dated him in the real world. He dumped her because she wasn't too bright and couldn't hold a conversation - I just had to laugh. My hat's off to you Lee B. - you know who you are - send me some mail.
Anyway, trust me gang life gets better. Slough off the jerks, work hard, catch a break. Want to feel better? Get a good job and let them eat your dust!
I play every one of the games mentioned in various news reports. I blast people like nobody's business and love every minute of it. I'd never go postal like those kids did but I can understand where they came from. I was ridiculed for being different and I watched my friends suffer too. We had the capability to do what those kids did back then but why bother? We weren't happy but we weren't that unhappy either. We all felt confident that when push came to shove we'd wind up ahead, with the exception of the few who got deep into drugs we all did. I almost shit my pants when one friend brought a gun to school and showed me, thank god he never used it. Funny thing was, I never worried that he would nor did I tell anyone about it at the time. I don't know why...
If you identify with those kids, take heart. Eventually you'll be away from the jerks and in the real world where your achievements get you ahead and people care far less about what you wear. FWIW I too got interrogated once or twice for things I didn't do and each time they finally gave up. Had I known then what I know now there would've a lawsuit or two (sigh). When the going gets real tough simply ask them to charge you or get you a lawyer. Discuss it with your folks before you're ever questioned and get their backing to pick you up out front if you have to walk out of school. Hope that it never gets that bad but it might and it did for me at least once. I was lucky enough to have parents that supported me like that may they RIP, I hope you do too.
Hang in there!
BLKMGK
P.S. GeekGirls? Where were you when I was that age? There still aren't enough of you out there but I've found mine
I've been interested in this sort of thing for a long while and have been overclocking since the old 8088 days when it took a soldering iron and crystals from the local 'Shack.
Anyway, cooling with refrigerant has never really appealed to me much. There may be some danger in working with the Freon, I'm not terribly familiar with the technology involved, and the power drain could wind up being significant. Some of you have posted about simply placing a computer in a small refrigerator - this has already been done and it was found that the compressor in the 'frig couldn't keep up with the heavy heat load of an overclocked CPU - the compressor ran full time. The OCP article mentions this problem too, frankly I found the article very well written covering many bases most people forget.
Anyway, my focus has been to build a water cooled Peltier assembly. I currently use Peltiers to cool a PPGA 300A enough to go 504mhz (stable) but the heatsink become significantly warmer due to the Pelt's heat. Obviously such a setup isn't ever likely to go below ambient either.
Some have mentioned condensation and water as being really big issues. So long as the water is sealed out of your sink this isn't an issue. Condensation can be avoided by decent insulation - remember that condensation only forms when components cooler than the dew point meet humid air. Avoid this and you're fine.
One of the last hurdles to consider (IMO) FSB speeds. Currently there just aren't enough selections and Intel's damned multiplier locking is making life a bitch. The Turbo.PLL the Japanese are working on may fix this as it'll allow you to vary the FSB in increments while keeping things liek the AGP and PCI cards at a normal speed.
Way below are some URLs to check out. Note that some are in Kanji as the Japanese have really had a good time with this. Note too that Melcor sells components to water cool Peltiers for industrial applications and apparently not retail, someone needs to resell these parts! Lastly, the Socket 7 CPUs and the PPGA Celerons share a common size, the PPGA chips also appear to run cooler than their slot one brothers. My fastest systems all run the PPGA Celerons including one dual SMP system that's not actively cooled but still gets 2X464mhz. Note that I've not yet managed to get a successful water system running but am working on it. Car heater cores work well for heat exchanges, RedLine Water Wetter helps improve heat transfer, and small fountain pumps move massive amounts of water - these are designed to be constant duty too. All Electronics sells Pelts cheap BTW.
On with the URLs! Here are just a few of what I've got and I'd welcome correspondance on this subject if my HotMail 'box can handle it!
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http://www.melcor.com/ - Industrial hardware cooling supplier
http://www.agaweb.com/coolcpu/ English water cooling site w/plans
http://e-sdi.com/west/intro.htm English water cooling project, self contained
http://www.mune.com/mcp2.htm Japanese site, Kanji w/Multiple projects shown.
http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/index.html Japanese hardware site - Kanji
http://www.jah.ne.jp/~ken1/kenO.htm Japanese project - Kanji
I'd post more but after 5 Netscape crashes I've got to run. Explore the Japanese sites and check out the Turbo.PLL if you happen across it - that site is slowly being translated. If this is of real interest I'll try to post more URLs when I've more time!
Enjoy!
P.S. no time to preview, hope it comes across okay!
And who's to say that any of those are easier? Does RH have marketing, you bet they do! Is that bad? I don't think so - it makes others including myself aware of their product. If the other groups don't market is that reason for RH to be booed or handicapped in any way? I don't think so!
Will I try other distributions? Maybe, but right now I need the training wheels that RH is lending me. As I get deeper into the nuances I'll more likely appreciate the differences between various distributions but right now I went with the shiny box that had the really decent install book inside. Yup, that book really helped me learn some of the really basic stuff - things that most everyone else takes for granted. Am I stupid? No, I'm just ignorant about Linux and RH is providing me with a way to learn. That was worht the $20 entrance fee. Perhaps next time I'll simply DL a copy but $20 is a pittance for an OS and I'm willing to pay for someone's sweat who took the time to put it together for me.
Look at it this way, there are lot's of bicycles out there, I simply chose the one I wanted that stood out and came with training wheels. Flipping a coin wasn't an option and none of the other distributions had done anything to stand out in my mind - that's not Red Hat's fault is it? (shrug) I can't use ESP to pick "easiest" but if it's any consolation I did wait till it was on sale and I didn't buy the most expensive one on the shelf....