Ok, so you agree that it isn't just OS vendor but also admin.
How about just say the whole industry has been focused on features + improvements and not on security. Only fringe products like OpenBSD have really focused on it (BTW: I use OpenBSD and think it is great, but it does lack features compared to FreeBSD or even Windows. Of course, it is focused, which is why I use it!).
How about we stop bashing Windows and just respect that EVERYONE has to focus on security more. And that such work is adding overhead to how the industry has generally worked in the past.
Example: I still see that SQL Insertion attacks are rarely understood on web site programming samples, and these are not unique to any programming language or platform!
I think you are being a bit hard on the Slashdot editors.
I for one read comments like yours, and also consider my own past experience. The "headline" on Slashdot and even the referenced story is only part of the information.
I often find useful links about a topic in the comments... this is often where the "real story" is found. This is the whole reason I find Slashdot a great place! Warts ("editors") and all.
The point of this event is more to meet people than to do any real technical stuff.
The networking was not that difficult, getting computers / custom AP software to work seemed to take time. Doing the distance we did over open wawa was not very hard.
Too Bad Slashdot posting was 8 hours too late:)
Yes, you can get a sunburn in Seattle. Especially if you are bald at 35 and too stupid to consider it.
Donnie Darko is a great film. Worthy of watching multiple times.
I also suggest October Sky he did an awesome job in this film. Also a great geek story about making it in high school.
We have been using SAPDB for over 2 years, and it is very disorganized. There is no replication of _any kind_ (Microsoft has this with SQL Server and so do others).
I like that it is ivery CLI driven, but the code is a mess of Pascal converted to C and the drivers are poor quality, etc, etc.
Governments are well funded. People trying to run proxies are not. Your proxy will be abused, send bomb threads to whitehouse.gov and you will be shut down. It is NOT easy to keep underground railroad running...
Life is not perfect. We don't all get to live forever. YOu can't outthink the nature of the universe to destroy and create.
Tim McVeigh is going to happen if you have freedom. You can't prevent all of it. Some would argue that Tim McVeigh was a reaction to too much government.
Laws do not prevent crime, they only provide some penalty or instructions. Look at OJ.
The other sad truth: You can't evern be certain that people did something even when it is done. OJ, Tim McVeigh - there are people who believe they did and did not do it.
Now start trying to "prevent" crimes... if you can't be sure of actual events, then how can you be sure of future events?
Life / nature / unknown. All go together. There is a balance, we are heading back to too much government.
Avoid FORD, get a Chevy. I had a Ford break down once...
Avoid Chevy, get a Ford, I had a Ford break down once....
Maybe it is the driver? Maybe if you buy the WORSE model Ford or Chevy makes you have problems? Brands don't mean crap. You have to get _specific_ on which model, which version of the Linksys, etc.
What you describe would almost fit any software product lifecycle.
I think game developers - like any software - want to deliver all the cool features they can dream of. They want every module to be fully exploited... but more features, no matter how much you want them, mean more complexity. More testing, more bugs, more documentation, more confused customers, etc.
Another issue: Most games are released like movies - big introductions, everyone wanting to unpack them and know everything in the first day of play.
Anyone who does even basic business programming should recognize the crazy complexity of these games. The amount of data, the amount of input/output devices you have to deal with, etc.
Oh yha, kids who are high on soda are also not the best customers to provide error details and help track down code problems. And those release schedules - you sell 5 million copies in the first week, that means 5 million newbies all wanting support at one time. That is NUTS!
I don't work in the industry, but anyone who does software should be able to look at the mess these people deal with.
The good side ============== The programmers are often given recognition, and they can often make big money. Games are one of the few areas that a software developer, working like a "Movie director" could actually think of getting $1M or $5M for a project!
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Ok, so you agree that it isn't just OS vendor but also admin.
How about just say the whole industry has been focused on features + improvements and not on security. Only fringe products like OpenBSD have really focused on it (BTW: I use OpenBSD and think it is great, but it does lack features compared to FreeBSD or even Windows. Of course, it is focused, which is why I use it!).
How about we stop bashing Windows and just respect that EVERYONE has to focus on security more. And that such work is adding overhead to how the industry has generally worked in the past.
Example:
I still see that SQL Insertion attacks are rarely understood on web site programming samples, and these are not unique to any programming language or platform!
Yes, OpenBSD has had few flaws in the default remote install.
It also: has way less features than Windows 2000 / XP. Comes with many services turned off (good pratice for a server product).
Yha,
Then it is just a matter of the student running their crap writing through the compiler until it compiles. No effort to improve the content.
Microsoft considers ODBC and OLEDB as legacy in dot net.
Just as Java has native database drivers (JDBC), dotNet has native drivers too. They typically have 5x less overhead on a "null call" to the database.
Actually
I mean GUI programs. "Windows Forms" is what I believe most Microsoft developers call them.
In other words, Visual Basic Applications. C++ Applications.
ASP.NET == Web Applications.
I think you are being a bit hard on the Slashdot editors.
I for one read comments like yours, and also consider my own past experience. The "headline" on Slashdot and even the referenced story is only part of the information.
I often find useful links about a topic in the comments... this is often where the "real story" is found. This is the whole reason I find Slashdot a great place! Warts ("editors") and all.
Yha, great example.
Netscape invented the tag, Microsoft browsers do not even support it.
The point of this event is more to meet people than to do any real technical stuff.
:)
The networking was not that difficult, getting computers / custom AP software to work seemed to take time. Doing the distance we did over open wawa was not very hard.
Too Bad Slashdot posting was 8 hours too late
Yes, you can get a sunburn in Seattle. Especially if you are bald at 35 and too stupid to consider it.
Donnie Darko is a great film. Worthy of watching multiple times.
I also suggest October Sky he did an awesome job in this film. Also a great geek story about making it in high school.
If you haven't seen his films, I recommend seeing October Sky - any geek would love this film. It is about rocks, not a love story :)
Donnie Darko is also good SiFi.
I agree.
We have been using SAPDB for over 2 years, and it is very disorganized. There is no replication of _any kind_ (Microsoft has this with SQL Server and so do others).
I like that it is ivery CLI driven, but the code is a mess of Pascal converted to C and the drivers are poor quality, etc, etc.
Are you forgetting WINE or other similar solutions?
Gee, some people like Budweiser and some like Sierra Nevada.
irony = metaphor == abstraction;
Governments are well funded. People trying to run proxies are not. Your proxy will be abused, send bomb threads to whitehouse.gov and you will be shut down. It is NOT easy to keep underground railroad running...
When are people going to realize:
Life is not perfect. We don't all get to live forever. YOu can't outthink the nature of the universe to destroy and create.
Tim McVeigh is going to happen if you have freedom. You can't prevent all of it. Some would argue that Tim McVeigh was a reaction to too much government.
Laws do not prevent crime, they only provide some penalty or instructions. Look at OJ.
The other sad truth: You can't evern be certain that people did something even when it is done. OJ, Tim McVeigh - there are people who believe they did and did not do it.
Now start trying to "prevent" crimes... if you can't be sure of actual events, then how can you be sure of future events?
Life / nature / unknown. All go together. There is a balance, we are heading back to too much government.
Yes, I was. And people like you and I feel powerless to stand up to the mob mentality.
Hard to blame those Germans in 1935.
Yha, and how many cancer curing guys working in their basement were blocked because they seemed suspcision or didn't have the greatest social skills.
Freedom includes the ability to do stupid things and make mistakes.
Yha, but was HTML really all that exciting when it came out?
HTML is very simple. Nothing special here.
The special thing is what people DID with it! It became the defacto standard.
Avoid FORD, get a Chevy. I had a Ford break down once...
Avoid Chevy, get a Ford, I had a Ford break down once....
Maybe it is the driver? Maybe if you buy the WORSE model Ford or Chevy makes you have problems? Brands don't mean crap. You have to get _specific_ on which model, which version of the Linksys, etc.
Hey - grew up there, is is a nice town. Magnavox did a lot of DoD computer work.
The chocolate at DeBrands is awesome, but very expensive. Just had some in July on my visit to family.
I like how you say you are sure, but you also say you don't know.
Humm....
What you describe would almost fit any software product lifecycle.
I think game developers - like any software - want to deliver all the cool features they can dream of. They want every module to be fully exploited... but more features, no matter how much you want them, mean more complexity. More testing, more bugs, more documentation, more confused customers, etc.
Another issue: Most games are released like movies - big introductions, everyone wanting to unpack them and know everything in the first day of play.
Anyone who does even basic business programming should recognize the crazy complexity of these games. The amount of data, the amount of input/output devices you have to deal with, etc.
Oh yha, kids who are high on soda are also not the best customers to provide error details and help track down code problems. And those release schedules - you sell 5 million copies in the first week, that means 5 million newbies all wanting support at one time. That is NUTS!
I don't work in the industry, but anyone who does software should be able to look at the mess these people deal with.
The good side
==============
The programmers are often given recognition, and they can often make big money.
Games are one of the few areas that a software developer, working like a "Movie director" could actually think of getting $1M or $5M for a project!
Ghost is not free, nor are the constant updates it seems to require.
I remember this too. Mod the parent up, maybe someone will find a link on the web.