That's a good point. But would you rather use that device, or one that's been tested, and meets all of the requirements, paid for by your medical insurance?
Please don't try to pigeon-hole me into the health care issues of today argument...
We have no idea what the conditions actually were.
I used to work at a place that created software for a certain part of the car manufacturing business. The product of the company was the software, however they acted as a middle-man for the hardware, simply making profit for being the middle-man. The owners of the company had no idea about hardware, and didn't care to learn. They just wanted to "git-r-dun", if you know what I mean. So they hired a few folks to run that dept, but never really had any respect for these people, I was one of them. Management's point of view was that hardware was stuff that came in boxes, and if things broke, then you just get another one and replace, they didn't know or care about configuring devices, or what it meant, but their system depended upon it being done correctly always. Despite countless occasions where failure was warned about, where problems were pointed out prior to actually manifesting, and despite indisputable facts being pointed out, management didn't want to listen, and never gained respect for "the hardware guys". They would require us to do things that would depend on us breaking other rules that were established.
The result was that prior to quitting the job, we simply stopped trying to make things better, and stopped "pestering" management about future problems, and we just played by their rules - which sometimes meant sending out servers with faulty fans that would fail after 3 weeks, sensors that didn't seem to work, and chips that melted - servers generally lasted no more than 7 weeks, when sent out in this condition. This was, in our way of thinking, a protest. And as you point out, "destruction of property", but what to do?
Google has no mouth so it is not going to say "fuck it".
Yeah, that's a good point, I stand corrected.
Some person working for google will have to decide and authorize this
Ahh, that's what I probably meant... How about I will still say "Google" where you will have to say "Some person working for google", that way we both feel better.
It is not really a big problem to find out who is going rot in prison.
Ok, so who is it then?
Google would never risk doing something like that - they have way too much to lose
I find that impossible to understand. Google is practically a government entity these days.
if Google declines to hand over data quietly, FBI (or whoever) could take it themselves - seize all Google datacenters and search them for evidence for next several years.
I can't say that I agree with that, but what a show it'd be, eh? Google's (or as you would have to say, "Some person working for google") lawyers would push paperwork longer than any prosecutor could. Don't forget that some of these servers are in other countries.
Ultimately you missed my point. My point is that Google (and others like Google) don't push back because they're an integrated part of our government's method of fighting "terrorism". I'm sure that tax dollars are in the mix, and it's awful.
There's a difference between "meets none of the standards" and "compliant, but untested".
Yeah there's a difference in the meanings of the words as seen in a dictionary, but if it's "untested" then it meets none of the standards of the medical industry in America.
What if Google decided to say, "fuck it", and not only publicly post when they're asked for data, but details as to which accounts, what data.... everything! We all assume that the feds will scoop someone off to jail, but who'd it be? It's not like the government will take everyone that works at Google, or the stock holders, to jail. Google is huge, with more money than the government, could they not just bail out of jail, and fight it out in court? I mean the whole idea of there being a way that the American government can legally be able to go into private organizations and get their data puts in my mind the feeling that the American government is the head (CEO?) of all companies.
In short, who cares to know the numbers of accounts "searched", I'd only want to know if my account was searched. The rest is nonsense.
You are exactly correct. The FBI telling the public, "We were hacked" is the same thing as me telling the FBI "I was hacked". They'd want to know what I meant by "hacked". Because "Hacked" isn't a real term on any level, it just means to be Macgyver-like in an approach to problem-solving. So basically the FBI issued a statement that there was a problem, and someone came up with a clever way around the problem. I don't get it, and that they expect me to get it, makes me think that they're trying to sneak something by.
I am stupid. But your point is still moot. All I am pointing out is that there are no details, other than "HACKED!!" and not by regular "people" rather "HACKATIVISTS!!" No one is being charged with anything, and yet there is already a group of people named "Anonymous" that are being blamed. So yes, while you're correct that it does make the one who mentions it "stupid", I share this stupidity with the ones that are blaming a group of people that they do not name. AKA terrorists without a face.
Sometimes I feel that they sell those masks just so a bunch of mad people will portray it as a reality, just so that they can then use them as a scapegoat.
Ok, I know what hacking is. But I hate how it's become a term that allows for future explanation(s). "We've been hacked!" is something that someone who knows what just happened, tells another person that hasn't got a clue, to tell the masses, while some story is created to eventually explain to the masses, or not at all.
"An FBI Spokeswoman declined to elaborate"
I mean to say, what the hell happened? "Being hacked" isn't a real thing. You're missing stuff, or you see that stuff was accessed, or you found some new shit that shouldn't be there... Why aren't they telling us? Could it be because they left something wide open, and cannot legally admit to that?
You're not calculating all of the people that work at the power company, and the paycheck that they need. So basically, if there are still physical components that the power company is required to to do upkeep on, then they need to keep a staff to do so.
Suppose that everyone goes all in on solar, and they each have enough electricity during sunshine periods to run their whole house, and what they don't use gets sold back to the power company. Then during times when there is not enough sunlight to really run your home, they need to get electricity from the electric company. This leaves the power company in the hole, eventually not able to do regular upkeep on their components (lines down!) or pay their staff (dude, lines down!), eventually leaving everyone without electricity (because no one wants to work for the power company because it sucks so bad).
Yes it'd be great if everyone could live by the sun during the day, and burning wood at night, but with all the people on the planet, there's no way that can happen (at least not the wood burning part), and so we're all left with what we have now. Yeah, the power company could come down on their rates, and pass the savings to the fat-cats that live nicely off of those rates, but it's not going to happen because you're in a capitalist country. So unless the government takes over controlling the power throughout the country (ouch), the way the current power company runs things seems to be as nice as it can get, without significant changes to other parts of our lives that is.
There's a book called "Darwin's Unfinished Business" written by a guy named Simon G. Powell. He goes into depth on evolution, and how it's inherently intelligent, and self-improving. I'm not going to go all in here explaining more about it, read that book if you're interested. But he nails it, in my opinion. The fact that a seed has embedded into it the instructions to not only build another tree, but another fruit, and another seed - and not just a seed, but a seed that is able to continue on carrying the intelligence torch as it were, in order to continue evolving in a manner that continuously becomes more and more intelligent, or more and more able to make sense of it's surroundings.
What we are to do is adjust our system in such a way that this type of behavior is accepted as unacceptable, and not questioned in the least manner. I mean to say that if this type of behavior (the TSA taking advantage of The People) should be rioted against, and it not looked at as a riot, but as the next logical steps to achieve law and order.
Yeah I guess. I was more going toward the point of it being Sears, going into the server-farm business. Any employees rolling over? Probably just higher management, fat cats. And wtf do they know about server-farms, much less who to hire that does. Sounds like there was a lot of brandy that night.
Using a smart-phone to send notes. Seems like the smart-phone crafters would have crafted a pencil (oh shit, what about a pen instead!) into the smart-device, in case the users wanted to write a note. Seriously, what kind of belligerent use of a smart-device is typing notes to each other? It's got the ability to take in your actual voice, and send it over the planet.
I say, if you see someone texting (you know that they're not simply dialing a number to call someone - and yeah I know that it's illegal to talk while driving in a lot of states) you should feel it to be your duty to humanity to get in front of that person and mash the brakes at juuust the right moment. This applies more so if your car is in need of repairs anyway. Any judge and/or jury would decide in your favor, since it's so easy to get records of time-stamps on texts.
We as humans are not able to "remember" back further than 100 years. I mean that you cannot get any information from anyone that would give you a clear, practical understanding of the mindset from 100 years ago. You can go ask your grandparent(s) things about the past, but the vocabulary that they use more than likely won't fit your vocabulary and therefor you will not be able to get the understanding that they're trying for. Maybe 100 years is to small, but it can't be far from the real number, plus it's nice and round;)
In this way, our society(s) are going through life sorta like that movie Memento. All that has to happen is a slight variation of the real story, that would produce the same basic result, but with a new context - Christopher Columbus "discovered" America comes to mind. Perhaps the powers that be depend on this, and are looking to make that number (100 here) smaller.
So the MPAA will have to be able to not only talk, but also illustrate the idea to the children. Good luck. Because the children are already being primed to understand things like addition/subtraction and multiplication/division in real-world ways. It's going to be hard to lay into them about how it's theft (subtraction) when they'll know that it's really copies being made (multiplication). Besides these kids have parents that will be able to attend the public stage at the school that the MPAA takes to talk to the kids (at least this is always the case at my kids' school - because the principal is the shizzle) and will be able to ask questions/give comments.
In other news, is music these days even worth buying? Is this a last-attempt for the MPAA? I keep waiting for it...
I don't know about things on the space station, but I had previously assumed that any or all equipment aboard was specifically for the space station. In any way of thinking, Linux is certainly open to attacks, but it seems that a simple file on a USB stick is not enough. To infect a Linux system, one has to directly run some thing as root. It's not a matter of, "Woops, shit I put the USB into the drive, and it ran something..." So someone would have had to have a good amount of understanding as to how that USB drive was going to be used, in order to write something that would then be run in the space station's environment.
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That's a good point. But would you rather use that device, or one that's been tested, and meets all of the requirements, paid for by your medical insurance?
Please don't try to pigeon-hole me into the health care issues of today argument...
All good points, no doubt. But I just think he'll have a hard time selling them.
We have no idea what the conditions actually were.
I used to work at a place that created software for a certain part of the car manufacturing business. The product of the company was the software, however they acted as a middle-man for the hardware, simply making profit for being the middle-man. The owners of the company had no idea about hardware, and didn't care to learn. They just wanted to "git-r-dun", if you know what I mean. So they hired a few folks to run that dept, but never really had any respect for these people, I was one of them. Management's point of view was that hardware was stuff that came in boxes, and if things broke, then you just get another one and replace, they didn't know or care about configuring devices, or what it meant, but their system depended upon it being done correctly always. Despite countless occasions where failure was warned about, where problems were pointed out prior to actually manifesting, and despite indisputable facts being pointed out, management didn't want to listen, and never gained respect for "the hardware guys". They would require us to do things that would depend on us breaking other rules that were established.
The result was that prior to quitting the job, we simply stopped trying to make things better, and stopped "pestering" management about future problems, and we just played by their rules - which sometimes meant sending out servers with faulty fans that would fail after 3 weeks, sensors that didn't seem to work, and chips that melted - servers generally lasted no more than 7 weeks, when sent out in this condition. This was, in our way of thinking, a protest. And as you point out, "destruction of property", but what to do?
And that's how to properly protest something that you don't agree with!
Google has no mouth so it is not going to say "fuck it".
Yeah, that's a good point, I stand corrected.
Some person working for google will have to decide and authorize this
Ahh, that's what I probably meant... How about I will still say "Google" where you will have to say "Some person working for google", that way we both feel better.
It is not really a big problem to find out who is going rot in prison.
Ok, so who is it then?
Google would never risk doing something like that - they have way too much to lose
I find that impossible to understand. Google is practically a government entity these days.
if Google declines to hand over data quietly, FBI (or whoever) could take it themselves - seize all Google datacenters and search them for evidence for next several years.
I can't say that I agree with that, but what a show it'd be, eh? Google's (or as you would have to say, "Some person working for google") lawyers would push paperwork longer than any prosecutor could. Don't forget that some of these servers are in other countries.
Ultimately you missed my point. My point is that Google (and others like Google) don't push back because they're an integrated part of our government's method of fighting "terrorism". I'm sure that tax dollars are in the mix, and it's awful.
Is that what they did when Google drove around the planet, finding.. er, "hacking" (I know, I know), people's wifi?
There's a difference between "meets none of the standards" and "compliant, but untested".
Yeah there's a difference in the meanings of the words as seen in a dictionary, but if it's "untested" then it meets none of the standards of the medical industry in America.
"Here's a medical device that meets none of the standards of today, and it has bugs that need to be worked out. But, it's cheap!"
No one wants a medical device if they're not able to sue the pants off of someone, in the event that it fails.
What I've never understood:
What if Google decided to say, "fuck it", and not only publicly post when they're asked for data, but details as to which accounts, what data.... everything! We all assume that the feds will scoop someone off to jail, but who'd it be? It's not like the government will take everyone that works at Google, or the stock holders, to jail. Google is huge, with more money than the government, could they not just bail out of jail, and fight it out in court? I mean the whole idea of there being a way that the American government can legally be able to go into private organizations and get their data puts in my mind the feeling that the American government is the head (CEO?) of all companies.
In short, who cares to know the numbers of accounts "searched", I'd only want to know if my account was searched. The rest is nonsense.
Torches and pitchforks? Mere non-participation (on a wide scale, of course) in today's zeitgeist is enough to out the powers that be.
You are exactly correct. The FBI telling the public, "We were hacked" is the same thing as me telling the FBI "I was hacked". They'd want to know what I meant by "hacked". Because "Hacked" isn't a real term on any level, it just means to be Macgyver-like in an approach to problem-solving. So basically the FBI issued a statement that there was a problem, and someone came up with a clever way around the problem. I don't get it, and that they expect me to get it, makes me think that they're trying to sneak something by.
I am stupid. But your point is still moot. All I am pointing out is that there are no details, other than "HACKED!!" and not by regular "people" rather "HACKATIVISTS!!" No one is being charged with anything, and yet there is already a group of people named "Anonymous" that are being blamed. So yes, while you're correct that it does make the one who mentions it "stupid", I share this stupidity with the ones that are blaming a group of people that they do not name. AKA terrorists without a face.
Sometimes I feel that they sell those masks just so a bunch of mad people will portray it as a reality, just so that they can then use them as a scapegoat.
"An FBI Spokeswoman declined to elaborate"
I mean to say, what the hell happened? "Being hacked" isn't a real thing. You're missing stuff, or you see that stuff was accessed, or you found some new shit that shouldn't be there... Why aren't they telling us? Could it be because they left something wide open, and cannot legally admit to that?
You're not calculating all of the people that work at the power company, and the paycheck that they need. So basically, if there are still physical components that the power company is required to to do upkeep on, then they need to keep a staff to do so.
Suppose that everyone goes all in on solar, and they each have enough electricity during sunshine periods to run their whole house, and what they don't use gets sold back to the power company. Then during times when there is not enough sunlight to really run your home, they need to get electricity from the electric company. This leaves the power company in the hole, eventually not able to do regular upkeep on their components (lines down!) or pay their staff (dude, lines down!), eventually leaving everyone without electricity (because no one wants to work for the power company because it sucks so bad).
Yes it'd be great if everyone could live by the sun during the day, and burning wood at night, but with all the people on the planet, there's no way that can happen (at least not the wood burning part), and so we're all left with what we have now. Yeah, the power company could come down on their rates, and pass the savings to the fat-cats that live nicely off of those rates, but it's not going to happen because you're in a capitalist country. So unless the government takes over controlling the power throughout the country (ouch), the way the current power company runs things seems to be as nice as it can get, without significant changes to other parts of our lives that is.
It's 18:14 here in central time zone (America) and the number is still busy, nice.
Is this a form of DoS attack?
There's a book called "Darwin's Unfinished Business" written by a guy named Simon G. Powell. He goes into depth on evolution, and how it's inherently intelligent, and self-improving. I'm not going to go all in here explaining more about it, read that book if you're interested. But he nails it, in my opinion. The fact that a seed has embedded into it the instructions to not only build another tree, but another fruit, and another seed - and not just a seed, but a seed that is able to continue on carrying the intelligence torch as it were, in order to continue evolving in a manner that continuously becomes more and more intelligent, or more and more able to make sense of it's surroundings.
It turns out, that this isn't so much "fuck the TSA" as it is human nature itself. Check out the Stanford Experiment.
What we are to do is adjust our system in such a way that this type of behavior is accepted as unacceptable, and not questioned in the least manner. I mean to say that if this type of behavior (the TSA taking advantage of The People) should be rioted against, and it not looked at as a riot, but as the next logical steps to achieve law and order.
Yeah I guess. I was more going toward the point of it being Sears, going into the server-farm business. Any employees rolling over? Probably just higher management, fat cats. And wtf do they know about server-farms, much less who to hire that does. Sounds like there was a lot of brandy that night.
How in the world did this get modded insightful?
For the same reason that it sucks to live in America. Here's a start.
“We really want to be the McDonald’s or Starbucks of data centers,”
Wait, what? Sounds like these people heard the word "Technology" and signed at the bottom line, no?
Using a smart-phone to send notes. Seems like the smart-phone crafters would have crafted a pencil (oh shit, what about a pen instead!) into the smart-device, in case the users wanted to write a note. Seriously, what kind of belligerent use of a smart-device is typing notes to each other? It's got the ability to take in your actual voice, and send it over the planet.
I say, if you see someone texting (you know that they're not simply dialing a number to call someone - and yeah I know that it's illegal to talk while driving in a lot of states) you should feel it to be your duty to humanity to get in front of that person and mash the brakes at juuust the right moment. This applies more so if your car is in need of repairs anyway. Any judge and/or jury would decide in your favor, since it's so easy to get records of time-stamps on texts.
We as humans are not able to "remember" back further than 100 years. I mean that you cannot get any information from anyone that would give you a clear, practical understanding of the mindset from 100 years ago. You can go ask your grandparent(s) things about the past, but the vocabulary that they use more than likely won't fit your vocabulary and therefor you will not be able to get the understanding that they're trying for. Maybe 100 years is to small, but it can't be far from the real number, plus it's nice and round ;)
In this way, our society(s) are going through life sorta like that movie Memento. All that has to happen is a slight variation of the real story, that would produce the same basic result, but with a new context - Christopher Columbus "discovered" America comes to mind. Perhaps the powers that be depend on this, and are looking to make that number (100 here) smaller.
I actually wonder why it was secret to begin with
Governmental secrecy only proves that they know the power that The People wield.
So the MPAA will have to be able to not only talk, but also illustrate the idea to the children. Good luck. Because the children are already being primed to understand things like addition/subtraction and multiplication/division in real-world ways. It's going to be hard to lay into them about how it's theft (subtraction) when they'll know that it's really copies being made (multiplication). Besides these kids have parents that will be able to attend the public stage at the school that the MPAA takes to talk to the kids (at least this is always the case at my kids' school - because the principal is the shizzle) and will be able to ask questions/give comments.
In other news, is music these days even worth buying? Is this a last-attempt for the MPAA? I keep waiting for it...
I don't know about things on the space station, but I had previously assumed that any or all equipment aboard was specifically for the space station. In any way of thinking, Linux is certainly open to attacks, but it seems that a simple file on a USB stick is not enough. To infect a Linux system, one has to directly run some thing as root. It's not a matter of, "Woops, shit I put the USB into the drive, and it ran something..." So someone would have had to have a good amount of understanding as to how that USB drive was going to be used, in order to write something that would then be run in the space station's environment.
In other words, it seems like sabotage, no?