At best, this is only an argument that they didn't intend to dox them when they doxed them. But speculation about their intentions is just that: speculation. What we know for a fact is that they took no steps whatsoever to avoid it, and that's what happened.
Sufficiently advanced incompetence or apathy is indistinguishable from malice.
Because they want that magic checkmark. That's why its only talking about "verified" users. There's no other way to verify an account actually belongs to a specific real person without exchanging some kind of real-world identification information. It looks like he's saying Wikileaks got hold of that database.
Its not all twitter users, just the verified ones. So relax, its not ALL twitter users they are doxxing; only 237 thousand of them.
If he behaved this way towards regular people, folks like you might see it differently
Actually, he does. Read your sibling post. He doxxes people who disagree with him on twitter. He doxxes people who donate to politicians he doesn't like. He doxxes government officials when some agency annoys him. For fun, he even doxxed every woman in Turkey back in July. (Met a Turkish babe who wouldn't give you her cell number? Wikileaks has your back, bro!)
So its no real mystery what he wants to do with this information. These days he's basically just trying to run his own personal crowd-sourced KGB.
Originally, I believe the idea of Wikileaks was to have a place for people to safely and anonymously without fear of retaliation, leak information people in power didn't want publicized.
Now in the last day, Wikileaks has come out againstgovernment leaks, and anonymity, and in support of retaliation against people (eg: Doxing). In our own little real-life version of Animal Farm, it looks like we're now near the end of the story.
Or like @ElliotHiggins said on Twitter:
Feels like WikiLeaks stared into the abyss, then fell into it, befriended the monsters, and is now looking upwards with them.
Buy some Bolivars? Then you can haul them to market in a wheel barrow and get some exercise while you're at it!
Bah. Those only ever fluctuate in one direction! Where' the gambling-like adrenaline fix of not knowing until the moment of transaction if a $200-value purchase will end up being essentially free, or soak up your entire life savings?
You know what traditional currency like the Dollar was really missing? All the excitement of the random wild value fluctuations inherent in a dot-com stock! I for one find it tedious and boring to walk up to the checkout line in a retailer or grocery store already knowing that I have sufficient funds to pay for my purchase. Yawn.
I went home and checked last night. It is indeed true that NBC Sport Live Extra (that's a mouthful) does not have Sling listed as a provider, but does have PlayStation VUE. I'm going to sign up for the free trial of the latter today and see how it works.
The interesting thing about sports is its the one thing that really loses value if you don't provide it live. It just isn't the same sitting through 2 hours of a competition for which the result is already known, and for which you can't really participate in the live-social media aspect of at all. Even if you aren't personally into it, millions are, which makes live sports effectively the "killer app" that is keeping broadcast TV alive right now.
A really big part of the good that will come out of a Trump presidency is that Congress will now clip the wings of the Executive Branch and widespread out-of-control Executive Orders will become a thing of the past.
. If you tried to tune into a sports channel that had a game you wanted to see, you wouldn't accept it if the streaming service told you that the game was not available but they had a small set of recorded games from 2014 that you could watch
Hmmm. Was going to go pick up Sling this evening, but this was the exact use-case I was thinking of.
Supposedly, you CAN use Sling to watch NBC Sports live sports channels. I assumed that included the ability to stream NBC Sports Live Extra online (or from mobile devices). It requires login credentials from a provider to do so, where currently I'm supplying my Cox credentials.
Not really. However, all those mountains they live in would be great places to put big wind turbines. Somebody local has to construct and maintain those things.
Perhaps it doesn't have quite the glamor of living 8+ hours a day underground breathing coal dust in constant terror of a gas leak or mine collapse, or ripping the entire side of a mountain off to get at the goodies underneath (incidentally drinking the runoff). But it is something.
Wouldn't shock me. CNN has gotten to the point where I don't accept references to it, like Fox. In a way, its worse than Fox. At least the folks there think they have a noble reason to be misleading people. CNN is just doing it to attract eyeballs.
This isn't just partisan Democrats driving it. The stance of Congressional Republicans on this issue hasn't been denial (like you are seeing here from the Putin trolls), but rather that the FACT that this occurred is all Obama's fault for being too nice to Putin over the last 8 years. That's where the partisan argument over this is.
There is bipartisan agreement on what actually happened here. Its literally just Trump trying to imply otherwise.
#2 is only truish. The FBI says what they have is pretty incontrovertible. If you insist on seeing the FBI's methods to judge for yourself, that may be a problem, since telling you that would tell the hackers how to avoid FBI detection, and they won't want do that. The FBI admittedly has been known to lie about things in the past, but usually in a right-wing direction. So this really comes down to how much you trust the FBI in matters like this.
The emails in question were primarily sent after Sanders was practically but not literally out of the race. Usually what happens at this point is that the loser admits defeat and quits campaigning, but instead Sanders kept going. During this time desperate Sanders supporters started to mine the rich anti-Clinton bullshit mines the Republicans have been stocking at great expense over the last 3 decades. The emails were thus all about loyal party operatives attempting to think of ways to end an already-decided primary before it got destructive to their party's candidate. Not all of the ideas were carried out, presumably at least partly because that would be wrong. But of course that's not how it was reported. Particularly by the aforementioned desperate Sanders supporters.
The rest of the five are dead on. In particular, Trump got almost the exact same number of votes in those three states that Romney got 4 years ago. So there really wasn't any Republican wave here at all, just a receeding of the Democratic tide.
However, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said that "senior administration officials have regularly provided extensive, detailed classified and unclassified briefings to members and staff from both parties on Capitol Hill since this past summer and have continued to do so after Election Day."
"Last week, the President ordered a full Intelligence Community review of foreign efforts to influence recent presidential elections — from 2008 to present," the director's office said in a statement Wednesday. "Once the review is complete in the coming weeks, the Intelligence Community stands ready to brief Congress — and will make those findings available to the public consistent with protecting intelligence sources and methods. We will not offer any comment until the review is complete."
Its you who are talking about two completely different things as if they are the same. Not that I blame you overly. Reading through that other Fox link, it looks like some people have gone through a lot of effort to frame things in just that way. This is why good brain hygene demands that you avoid Fox News.
Both parties were acting like little 2 year olds! They should all be thrown out and we should all be thrown out and we should re-vote for EVERY one of them!
I firmly believe that in an alternate universe, Hillary decided to run in 2016 on a platform of getting rid of the "do-nothing Congress", and won in a landslide.
These changes will help ensure that order and decorum are preserved in the House of Representatives so lawmakers can do the people's work," a spokeswoman for Ryan said
That's rich. In case you'd forgotten, the incident that caused this is when The House went into recessrather than work on more legislation, and the minority party thought they ought to stay and get more work done. The current Congress ended up being the 3rd least productive in history (being edged out for worst only by the previous two).
So the FIFY here is "These changes will help ensure order and decorum are preserved in the House of Representatives' home districts so lawmakers can continue to not do the people's work".
Sanctions have never worked, at any time they have been implemented.
Untrue. It is true that they aren't as quick and viscerally satisfying as dropping bombs on someone, but they have been known to be quite effective. Particularly if they are targeted to the class of people who actually have the power (/money) in the country, and can be universally enforced.
It is true that they *can* be quite ineffective, if improperly targeted or implemented. But the same holds true for a military strike (or really anything).
If true, this raises the ethical question of America justifying meddling in the next Russian Presidential Election in 2018,
Not really. According to Russia, the US (particularly the State Department) has been meddling in every Russian Presidential election since the USSR dissolved. According to the US, all of Putin's elections since his first have been sham elections, so "meddling" in one of them would be a complete waste of effort. So no matter which side of the Putin-verse you are on, this isn't an issue.
Please look at what they provided. There is literally no evidence given in the document, not even an attempt. They make up some names
That's because you don't have both a security clearance and a need-to-know. Revealing *how* they figured out that different attacks came from the same group, and where that group is based, would allow such groups to figure out how to hide their tracks from the FBI better. That would obviously be injurious to the US and....
...OH! I see what you are doing now. Nice try, Anonymous Comrade.
Oh, you mean I have to choose?:-( I was kinda hoping we were allowed to hate them both.
I'm not a fan of promoting hate against other human beings (it is literally against my religion). However, honesty forces me to admit I have no good comeback for this...
This is kind of our own fault. We're the ones who vote for POTUS based on how we feel the economy is doing, when there's very little evidence the POTUS has any significant effect on that whatsoever. (In actuality, its probably much like being a coach. A good one can't really help all that much, but it is possible for a bad one to royally screw things up)
If the economy is going to be our metric for how a President is doing, and there's no objective statistical backing for it, its only natural to expect that one would cynically use bogus statistics to pump himself up. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Never heard of the other two, but we actually lost TWO members of Emmerson, Lake, and Palmer (AKA: ELP) this year; Keith Emerson and Greg Lake. Perhaps you've never heard of them, but in their day, they were a stadium-filling rock band.
Point being, just because the name isn't familiar to you, doesn't automatically make them not celebrities.
Meh. I'll give you perhaps a half credit for that one. My main problem with Buttercup is that she tried to talk with an accent, as did her costar (not very American at all), and her character basically existed as the movie's McGuffin to be rescued. In other words, she was a fairly generic European romantic "princess". That was a European princess, invented by some Americans.
Princess Leia swore, punched people, shot people, turned wrenches, led a rebellion, etc. That's how we do it.
One user on Twitter I thought summed it up well; this was from @osheamobile:
Be Princess Leia in 2017
Fight on the front lines. Strangle fascists with the chains they would have you wear. Be a motherfuckin' general.
In Monaco perhaps. Rich American women marrying into European royalty is hardly anything new. Likely a few female members of nobility have come over here and become Naturalized Citizens too. But we don't recognize such titles here in the USA.
Carrie Fisher was different in that WE gave her that title.
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At best, this is only an argument that they didn't intend to dox them when they doxed them. But speculation about their intentions is just that: speculation. What we know for a fact is that they took no steps whatsoever to avoid it, and that's what happened.
Sufficiently advanced incompetence or apathy is indistinguishable from malice.
Because they want that magic checkmark. That's why its only talking about "verified" users. There's no other way to verify an account actually belongs to a specific real person without exchanging some kind of real-world identification information. It looks like he's saying Wikileaks got hold of that database.
Its not all twitter users, just the verified ones. So relax, its not ALL twitter users they are doxxing; only 237 thousand of them.
If he behaved this way towards regular people, folks like you might see it differently
Actually, he does. Read your sibling post. He doxxes people who disagree with him on twitter. He doxxes people who donate to politicians he doesn't like. He doxxes government officials when some agency annoys him. For fun, he even doxxed every woman in Turkey back in July. (Met a Turkish babe who wouldn't give you her cell number? Wikileaks has your back, bro!)
So its no real mystery what he wants to do with this information. These days he's basically just trying to run his own personal crowd-sourced KGB.
Originally, I believe the idea of Wikileaks was to have a place for people to safely and anonymously without fear of retaliation, leak information people in power didn't want publicized.
Now in the last day, Wikileaks has come out against government leaks, and anonymity, and in support of retaliation against people (eg: Doxing). In our own little real-life version of Animal Farm, it looks like we're now near the end of the story.
Or like @ElliotHiggins said on Twitter:
Feels like WikiLeaks stared into the abyss, then fell into it, befriended the monsters, and is now looking upwards with them.
Buy some Bolivars? Then you can haul them to market in a wheel barrow and get some exercise while you're at it!
Bah. Those only ever fluctuate in one direction! Where' the gambling-like adrenaline fix of not knowing until the moment of transaction if a $200-value purchase will end up being essentially free, or soak up your entire life savings?
You know what traditional currency like the Dollar was really missing? All the excitement of the random wild value fluctuations inherent in a dot-com stock! I for one find it tedious and boring to walk up to the checkout line in a retailer or grocery store already knowing that I have sufficient funds to pay for my purchase. Yawn.
I went home and checked last night. It is indeed true that NBC Sport Live Extra (that's a mouthful) does not have Sling listed as a provider, but does have PlayStation VUE. I'm going to sign up for the free trial of the latter today and see how it works.
The interesting thing about sports is its the one thing that really loses value if you don't provide it live. It just isn't the same sitting through 2 hours of a competition for which the result is already known, and for which you can't really participate in the live-social media aspect of at all. Even if you aren't personally into it, millions are, which makes live sports effectively the "killer app" that is keeping broadcast TV alive right now.
A really big part of the good that will come out of a Trump presidency is that Congress will now clip the wings of the Executive Branch and widespread out-of-control Executive Orders will become a thing of the past.
And you are basing this on what empirical evidence exactly? The last two times we had one-party government, I don't believe either POTUS (one of each party) felt the need to veto a single bill. If you think this time it will be different, then why just yesterday did this new Congress rescind their very first attempt at legislation after a very mildly disapproving tweet from the PEOTUS?
. If you tried to tune into a sports channel that had a game you wanted to see, you wouldn't accept it if the streaming service told you that the game was not available but they had a small set of recorded games from 2014 that you could watch
Hmmm. Was going to go pick up Sling this evening, but this was the exact use-case I was thinking of.
Supposedly, you CAN use Sling to watch NBC Sports live sports channels. I assumed that included the ability to stream NBC Sports Live Extra online (or from mobile devices). It requires login credentials from a provider to do so, where currently I'm supplying my Cox credentials.
Looking a bit more online, I'm seeing someone saying Sling can't do that, but you can do that with PlayStation's VUE. Any comments from someone who's actually tried this?
Not really. However, all those mountains they live in would be great places to put big wind turbines. Somebody local has to construct and maintain those things.
Perhaps it doesn't have quite the glamor of living 8+ hours a day underground breathing coal dust in constant terror of a gas leak or mine collapse, or ripping the entire side of a mountain off to get at the goodies underneath (incidentally drinking the runoff). But it is something.
Wouldn't shock me. CNN has gotten to the point where I don't accept references to it, like Fox. In a way, its worse than Fox. At least the folks there think they have a noble reason to be misleading people. CNN is just doing it to attract eyeballs.
This isn't just partisan Democrats driving it. The stance of Congressional Republicans on this issue hasn't been denial (like you are seeing here from the Putin trolls), but rather that the FACT that this occurred is all Obama's fault for being too nice to Putin over the last 8 years. That's where the partisan argument over this is.
There is bipartisan agreement on what actually happened here. Its literally just Trump trying to imply otherwise.
A few missed nuances.
#2 is only truish. The FBI says what they have is pretty incontrovertible. If you insist on seeing the FBI's methods to judge for yourself, that may be a problem, since telling you that would tell the hackers how to avoid FBI detection, and they won't want do that. The FBI admittedly has been known to lie about things in the past, but usually in a right-wing direction. So this really comes down to how much you trust the FBI in matters like this.
The emails in question were primarily sent after Sanders was practically but not literally out of the race. Usually what happens at this point is that the loser admits defeat and quits campaigning, but instead Sanders kept going. During this time desperate Sanders supporters started to mine the rich anti-Clinton bullshit mines the Republicans have been stocking at great expense over the last 3 decades. The emails were thus all about loyal party operatives attempting to think of ways to end an already-decided primary before it got destructive to their party's candidate. Not all of the ideas were carried out, presumably at least partly because that would be wrong. But of course that's not how it was reported. Particularly by the aforementioned desperate Sanders supporters.
The rest of the five are dead on. In particular, Trump got almost the exact same number of votes in those three states that Romney got 4 years ago. So there really wasn't any Republican wave here at all, just a receeding of the Democratic tide.
However, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said that "senior administration officials have regularly provided extensive, detailed classified and unclassified briefings to members and staff from both parties on Capitol Hill since this past summer and have continued to do so after Election Day."
"Last week, the President ordered a full Intelligence Community review of foreign efforts to influence recent presidential elections — from 2008 to present," the director's office said in a statement Wednesday. "Once the review is complete in the coming weeks, the Intelligence Community stands ready to brief Congress — and will make those findings available to the public consistent with protecting intelligence sources and methods. We will not offer any comment until the review is complete."
Its you who are talking about two completely different things as if they are the same. Not that I blame you overly. Reading through that other Fox link, it looks like some people have gone through a lot of effort to frame things in just that way. This is why good brain hygene demands that you avoid Fox News.
No, I didn't notice that at all. Probably because it doesn't exist. Congress has been briefed about these investigations for months.
I think that "red flag" you are waving around looks more like a herring than a flag.
Both parties were acting like little 2 year olds! They should all be thrown out and we should all be thrown out and we should re-vote for EVERY one of them!
I firmly believe that in an alternate universe, Hillary decided to run in 2016 on a platform of getting rid of the "do-nothing Congress", and won in a landslide.
These changes will help ensure that order and decorum are preserved in the House of Representatives so lawmakers can do the people's work," a spokeswoman for Ryan said
That's rich. In case you'd forgotten, the incident that caused this is when The House went into recess rather than work on more legislation, and the minority party thought they ought to stay and get more work done. The current Congress ended up being the 3rd least productive in history (being edged out for worst only by the previous two).
So the FIFY here is "These changes will help ensure order and decorum are preserved in the House of Representatives' home districts so lawmakers can continue to not do the people's work".
Sanctions have never worked, at any time they have been implemented.
Untrue. It is true that they aren't as quick and viscerally satisfying as dropping bombs on someone, but they have been known to be quite effective. Particularly if they are targeted to the class of people who actually have the power (/money) in the country, and can be universally enforced.
It is true that they *can* be quite ineffective, if improperly targeted or implemented. But the same holds true for a military strike (or really anything).
If true, this raises the ethical question of America justifying meddling in the next Russian Presidential Election in 2018,
Not really. According to Russia, the US (particularly the State Department) has been meddling in every Russian Presidential election since the USSR dissolved. According to the US, all of Putin's elections since his first have been sham elections, so "meddling" in one of them would be a complete waste of effort. So no matter which side of the Putin-verse you are on, this isn't an issue.
Please look at what they provided. There is literally no evidence given in the document, not even an attempt. They make up some names
That's because you don't have both a security clearance and a need-to-know. Revealing *how* they figured out that different attacks came from the same group, and where that group is based, would allow such groups to figure out how to hide their tracks from the FBI better. That would obviously be injurious to the US and ....
...OH! I see what you are doing now. Nice try, Anonymous Comrade.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Oh, you mean I have to choose? :-( I was kinda hoping we were allowed to hate them both.
I'm not a fan of promoting hate against other human beings (it is literally against my religion). However, honesty forces me to admit I have no good comeback for this...
This is kind of our own fault. We're the ones who vote for POTUS based on how we feel the economy is doing, when there's very little evidence the POTUS has any significant effect on that whatsoever. (In actuality, its probably much like being a coach. A good one can't really help all that much, but it is possible for a bad one to royally screw things up)
If the economy is going to be our metric for how a President is doing, and there's no objective statistical backing for it, its only natural to expect that one would cynically use bogus statistics to pump himself up. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Never heard of the other two, but we actually lost TWO members of Emmerson, Lake, and Palmer (AKA: ELP) this year; Keith Emerson and Greg Lake. Perhaps you've never heard of them, but in their day, they were a stadium-filling rock band.
Point being, just because the name isn't familiar to you, doesn't automatically make them not celebrities.
Meh. I'll give you perhaps a half credit for that one. My main problem with Buttercup is that she tried to talk with an accent, as did her costar (not very American at all), and her character basically existed as the movie's McGuffin to be rescued. In other words, she was a fairly generic European romantic "princess". That was a European princess, invented by some Americans.
Princess Leia swore, punched people, shot people, turned wrenches, led a rebellion, etc. That's how we do it.
One user on Twitter I thought summed it up well; this was from @osheamobile:
Be Princess Leia in 2017
Fight on the front lines. Strangle fascists with the chains they would have you wear. Be a motherfuckin' general.
In Monaco perhaps. Rich American women marrying into European royalty is hardly anything new. Likely a few female members of nobility have come over here and become Naturalized Citizens too. But we don't recognize such titles here in the USA.
Carrie Fisher was different in that WE gave her that title.