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8,000 New US Jobs? Trump Takes Credit For Sprint, Startup Decisions (usatoday.com)
President-elect Donald Trump has announced that Sprint is moving 5,000 offshore jobs back to the United States and OneWeb, a satellite Internet startup, is adding 3,000 more jobs in the U.S. From a report on USA Today: The jobs were made possible, Trump said, through Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son, a Japanese billionaire and technology investor, who met with Trump in New York earlier this month. After that meeting, the two businessmen announced Softbank would invest $50 billion in the U.S. and create 50,000 jobs. Softbank owns 80% of Sprint and this month it invested $1 billion in OneWeb, a venture that intends to offer affordable Internet access. Son called the investment a "first step" in his commitment to Trump.
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
Those 5K jobs were part of a previous announcement from before Trump was elected.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-sprint-jobs-233019
Yeah just wait for the details to come in on this one. I'm sure it will be like the announcement that he saved Ford jobs, only to find out that the company had planned that over a year ago and it had nothing to do with Trump. Or like the Carrier announcement, where he claimed credit for jobs that were never being eliminated, and the rest of them have the big asterisk that Carrier is going to invest millions of dollars which we later discovered were going mostly to automation to eventually replace most of the jobs that were just "saved"
Politicians are self-promoters and they take credit for things other people did.
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
That's pretty much what the guardian is reporting.
Lol....apparently I hadn't been keeping up on the latest news, because after reading other replies, apparently this is exactly what has already come out.
Replying to myself. From 2015:
"Sprint to hire 5,000 as it hand-delivers new phones nationwide"
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article18230624.html
Taking credit for a move that had already been planned for over a year makes you happy?
For the love of Crom, am I the only one here who wants to keep the U.S. technologically competitive?
Yes, it's very impressive to take credit for something that was already going to be done. It's not everybody who can do that.
Damn son !
You've been impressed by him taking credit for a bunch of stuff that he mostly had absolutely nothing to do with? I guess you are easily impressed.
That is how he spend most of his 8 years. Then making executive orders cause he didn't want to work with anyone.
They've already asked, it was already announced, they've already admitted it was part of the already announced spending.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/28/trump-isnt-responsible-for-sprint-bringing-5-000-jobs-to-the-us/
"When I reached out to a Sprint spokeswoman asking if the announcement was a direct result of working with Trump or part of a pre-existing deal, she copy and pasted the press release I'd sent along with my first email. I responded saying I already had the press release and asked again if this was a direct result of working with Trump or part of a pre-existing deal in place. I tagged Sprint in a tweet about the situation, and it wasn't until after that started getting retweeted that the spokesperson responded...."This is part of the 50,000 jobs that Masa previously announced," she said."
I'm afraid Trump is very gullible and very needy. They can tell him anything and he'll fall for it like a child.
Every political leader throughout the history of time tries to take credit for anything good that happens. This is not news. It should not be on slashdot. The only reason it is here is because Trump is a polarizing figure that gets people riled up.
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations, is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind. If Trump keeps those sanctions, his wish of normalizing relations w/ Russia are successfully sabotaged. If he lifts them, Dems can - like their CorrectTheRecord trolls here - claim that Trump is a puppet.
Seriously, I know his term doesn't end until Jan 20th, but this is not the time to start anything new, unless your successor is on board w/ it, and for these 2 policies, he knows that Trump is not. Yet, first he brought this resolution before the security council and it's now international law, and now he's gonna put sanctions on Russia so that his party comrades can assail Trump.
Trump should simply undo every executive order signed since November 8th, and make it clear that none of those things - like the nationalization of the Utah park or sealing off the Arctic - is gonna happen unless and until reviewed by his own administration. He is under no obligations to continue Obama's petulant policies
Uh, Ford had originally planned to move out of Louisville, KY, but after the election, called him to let him know that they reversed course. If that was something that was determined a year earlier, why would they wait until now to break that news, and why then bother telling Trump anything if they weren't planning such a move in the first place?
A politician saying something that's not the whole truth? Inconceivable!
It will be a race to the bottom for Americans to lower their standard of living faster than China, India, Pakistan, Indonedia and Vietnam.
He's also telegraphed every company that the way to be on his good book is jobs... At least, from now on, whenever a company downsizes, it would be b'cos they're actually struggling, not b'cos they want to shave operational costs by moving offshore
Hey moron! Trump got the 5000 jobs to stay in America. The majority of them were going overseas.
Hey moron! you don't know what you're talking about.
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations, is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind. If Trump keeps those sanctions, his wish of normalizing relations w/ Russia are successfully sabotaged. If he lifts them, Dems can - like their CorrectTheRecord trolls here - claim that Trump is a puppet.
Normalizing? You mean like saying the Russians didn't try to influence the election?
Like telling everyone how great Putin is?
Like ignoring when Russia decides to take over the rest of Ukraine?
You're both morons, but a good deal of the jobs were headed overseas. They aren't "good" jobs, customer service and sales jobs. My guess is the tasty programming/IT jobs are still headed overseas.
eh?
"Son called the investment a "first step" in his commitment to Trump."
sounds like he actually had something to do with it...
This is kind of our own fault. We're the ones who vote for POTUS based on how we feel the economy is doing, when there's very little evidence the POTUS has any significant effect on that whatsoever. (In actuality, its probably much like being a coach. A good one can't really help all that much, but it is possible for a bad one to royally screw things up)
If the economy is going to be our metric for how a President is doing, and there's no objective statistical backing for it, its only natural to expect that one would cynically use bogus statistics to pump himself up. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Why did Japan’s SoftBank pledge $50 billion for U.S. investment?
SoftBank Group Corp.'s recent pledge to President-elect Donald Trump that it will invest $50 billion (5.9 trillion yen) in the United States raises the question, what's in it for Chief Executive Masayoshi Son?
The big-money decision prompted speculation that it is Son’s attempt to thaw the frosty relationship between Trump and Silicon Valley tech giants, including Apple Inc., with which Son and Softbank enjoy a highly lucrative relationship.
Another theory is that Son is keen to befriend Trump so he can revive his stalled attempt to buy out U.S. telecoms giant T-Mobile, a deal previously thwarted by the U.S. Democratic administration.
Japanese tech billionaire Son offered the substantial investment to create 50,000 new jobs over the next four years during a meeting at Trump Tower in New York on Dec. 6.
The article goes on to list other deals that Son that made with other world leaders like South Korean President Park Geun-hye and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Softbank Group makes deals advantageous to them and to the politicians who now can claim they brought investments and jobs to their country. This is exactly the kind of deals that Trump claimed he make to bring jobs back to the US.
Normalizing? You mean like saying the Russians didn't try to influence the election?
We have yet to have a single piece of evidence that supports that claim. In fact, we don't even have a NAME of a source that makes the claim. We DO have Assange and others associated with Wikileaks explicitly stating it was NOT the Russians, but an inside job. So who do we believe: nameless, faceless sources in the CIA (who have shown no evidence at all) or Wikileaks who have leaked true and accurate e-mails (as not a single one was disavowed by the Democrats or the Hillary campaigns)? Who stands to benefit, politically, from blaming it on Russia? The same team claiming it was Russia...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
"Jobs created or saved"!
Normalizing? You mean like saying the Russians didn't try to influence the election?
Influence the election? You mean like telling the truth about a corrupt politician?
Normalizing, as in talking to Putin and determining where they have areas of common interest, and where they have differences. The Wikileaks stuff was something Assange got from a Democrat insider, like maybe Seth Rich, who was found dead in a DC park. They've specifically said that Russia is not who provided them the material
God, I hope I'm wrong.... I cannot begin to describe how much I wish he was just a nut.... while the years might not match up exactly with his claims, they wouldn't be off by that much if civil war broke out in the USA within the next 4 years.
And I am genuinely fearful for what is going to happen not only in North America in the near future.... The USA has put the nuclear launch codes in the hands of a man who has a history of acting like a petulant child when he hears something that he doesn't like and fear that there are not enough checks and balances to keep someone who might be mentally unstable from basically ending modern civilization as we know it for everyone just because he happened to lose his temper about something and thought "well I'll show them!"
I am not trying to troll, nor trying to incite any kind of flame war here... this is an honest-as-I-could-ever-be genuine concern that we are about to enter an era that will be remembered as the most destructive in human history.
You're absolutely right about that. Kevin Drum at Mother Jones Magazine posted all the details as part of the following entry on his blog:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/12/donald-trump-holds-micro-press-conference-comes-idiot
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations, is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind.
Good.
He is under no obligations to continue Obama's petulant policies
Yeah, because being the most petulant person ever to win the office, I'm sure he has his own policies to think about.
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
So it's the exact opposite of the UN vote on Israel? That Obama's trying to say he had nothing to do with it, but behind the scenes he orchestrated the whole thing?
(And that UN resolution on Israel pretty much guarantees that there will be no peace - the Palestinians weren't negotiating in good faith before - they've never recognized Israel's right to exist. Why would the Palestinians accept a two-state solution when naifs like Obama keep handing them things? The de facto Palestinian position is to wipe Israel off the map - literally. AKA genocide. And remember - they'll celebrate the deaths of kafirs...)
Or like the Carrier announcement, where he claimed credit for jobs that were never being eliminated
Where did you hear that? These jobs were going to be moved to Mexico:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
if you haven't noticed Trump doesn't care what trolls think, he just does what he wants, so neither should you worry about it. Let the whiners whine.
Even if that were true (and it isn't - as the others have said, this was announced in 2015 before Trump was even running for president), then at best he's created enough regulatory uncertainty that companies are willing to temporarily publicly hedge their bets for PR gains. You think that will last or that they won't continue to do in private what they've always done and just make sure it stays more quiet instead? If so, I have a bridge to sell you. But then, it sounds like you bought Trump's talking points hook, line, and sinker, so I suppose you already bought that bridge.
Every joker is going to pay some lip service to Trump, while doing what they have to do to run their business. The real question is if it is really economically viable to move off-shored jobs back to the US at scale. A 'real' president would have focused on making it so.
Mother Jones? Really?
Any credible sources?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
why stop at November 8th?
you idiots have already made it clear that you don't think the last year of the presidency counts, or hell, even all 8 years of it, questioning and denying the legitimacy of his powers since before he took office.
f all y'all morons.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Those 5K jobs were part of a previous announcement from before Trump was elected.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-sprint-jobs-233019
Just imagine for when Trump gets his twitter bot code back from the Indian shop! Maybe they will even make it go directly to the presidential alert feed that can't be turned off!
Great News. I just $good_thing_exaggerated_or misrepresented. Cheer my greatness.
Sad News. $bad_thing.ToUpperCase() is yet more of the legacy left behind by the $blame_list_decorated[rand()].ToInsultLevel($degree_of_distraction_required).
That's not really the point though.... companies expanding in US will be good guys and companies doing the opposite bad. Just reinforcing the narrative.
love is just extroverted narcissism
" is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind Russia already has sanctions "
So Trump wants them to hack the 2020 election to ensure he gets elected then? Because that's what he's saying when he's telling CIA, FBI etc. to ignore the Russian election hacks. What does he expect in 2020? That they'll put him in power again? Only if he dances to *their* tune. And what does the Republican senators expect? That's Russia will only hack *for* the GOP??? If they dance to Putin's tune and give him whatever he wants.
Trump really needs to stop being a traitor to America.
"Seriously, I know his term doesn't end until Jan 20th, but this is not the time to start anything new, unless your successor is on board w/ it"
Obama doesn't need Putins approval to impose sanctions for Putin's attack on America, and every red blooded Republican should be defending their country against foreign attacks.
Trump still hasn't sold off his foreign businesses, he still hasn't put his US business into a blind trust, he just received a bailout from somebody to keep that business afloat. He needs to be impeached for receiving Rubles for Vetos.
I don't think those 5,000 jobs hand-delivering cellphones announced in 2015 are the same jobs being announced at the end of 2016.
The 2015 announcement is a possible number of jobs as a pilot program grows out of Kansas City.
The 2016 announcement is a transfer of 5,000 existing jobs located outside the US into America.
One is about new jobs, the other is about existing (mostly call center?) jobs back into America.
The only two things these reports have in common is the employer (Sprint) and the number of jobs (5,000)... Is Sprint still planning to hand-deliver cellphones nation-wide? It's been well over a year since they announced plans to do this nation-wide, but I've never heard about it.
Ken
Unemployment running out for someone was counted the same as if they had found a job. We have been seeing that sort of ridiculous behavior for years out of the current regime, but please, continue to bemoan every single step Trump makes. Before he is even in office, no less...
And how many thousand jobs were lost during that time? We have a GE maintenance facility around the corner that will close up shop soon leaving about 100 unemployed. Did anyone see Trump flying in to save those jobs? Before anyone can take credit for anything the net gain is important. Besides that, the Obama administration put the economy in about the best state it could be in after the economic disaster that Bush left. Especially when it comes to unemployment (and no matter how one counts it), it won't get much better.
> He's also telegraphed every company that the way to be on his good book is jobs...
Lol. Not even close.
He gave Carrier $7M tax dollars in order to replace people with robots.
What he's "telegraphed" is that the way to be on his good book is to say great things about him because then he'll say great things about you.
Also, "A guy calls me a genius and they want me to renounce him? I'm not going to renounce him."
So yeah, if you want Donald Trump to like you, all you gotta do is praise him like a puppy.
nameless faceless sources....like the director of the CIA, the head of the DIA, and the head of the NSA.
also, do you think the CIA just burns their sources in Russia so quickly?
or did you not realize that the evidence would itself reveal who those assets are?
read the news, the real news, for once in your life and you'd know why these agencies are being slow to write their report; it has to be done without also tipping their hand to Russia as to how they know.
and again: I am so glad we're more concerned with some DNC emails that showed office staff being office staff, more than we are with electing the most unqualified man to run for office, an admitted sexual assaulter, scam artist, and general nincompoop. we really dodged a bullet there.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
I haven't read anything beyond the article but I don't see where Trump is taking credit. He just describes a sequence of events and talking up a company investing in US jobs.
love is just extroverted narcissism
It's better than that: the story as reported in the summary sounds a whole hell of a lot like political corruption. Trump gets into office, and a businessman is spending billions of dollars to aid his political status? What are these secret meetings about? What advantage is there now to this spending? Who gets the kickbacks?
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You mean like telling the truth about a corrupt politician?
Didn't work.
He got elected anyway.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
I think onshoring has been a trend for a while now.
What I've been noticing about Chinese goods made by Chinese companies versus Western-branded goods made in China is that while you can still get absolute junk for dirt cheap from the Chinese companies, medium- to higher-end goods from Chinese and Western companies is becoming on par in terms of quality and price. In some cases Chinese companies offer a thing that no Western company offers. That's right, actual innovation. For example, my wooden alarm clock/Bluetooth speaker with Qi and USB charging. No Western company offers anything like that. And it costs what you would expect to pay, closer to $100. The better stuff from China nowadays is not a copy of a Western product, and it commands a price premium. What I'm saying, in other words, is that China is making the same transition that Japan made. China will coexist with Japan and the West and focus on the higher end. What's concerning to me is that economic success seems to be making China more authoritarian, although the Chinese people are great at poking holes through to the West. Perhaps the political situation in China will take care of itself.
As such, as did the Japanese, I would expect the Chinese to bring factories online in the US. There is no substitute for the cheap junk, but as Japan learned there is not much profit in it either. The good stuff like automobiles, you manufacture in the United States, and you employ Americans. Trump gets credit, everybody is happy, but it was the best decision purely in terms of the numbers.
And a corrupt businessman?
I swear the man using me as a pawn isn't using me as a pawn.
Trust me.
Also, does anyone else remember the time so long ago, like, about a year ago, maybe a tad more, where the GOP was all "Obama gotta bomb Russia cause UKRAINE, and show them he isn't a weak Russia lover!"
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Don't worry, this doesn't even come close to being the most contentious transition of power in US history. When Thomas Jefferson was elected, the Federalists spent the next couple months of a lame-duck session of Congress creating extra layers of judiciary and packing the bench with Federalists in an attempt to minimize the amount of change the Democratic Republicans could do. Needless to say, that extra layer of Federal judges has since been removed, and the Federalists no longer exist.
Abstaining from a UN resolution saying that Israel isn't being nice, combined with a mealy-mouthed speech from the Secretary of State pales in comparison.
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SoftBank revealed its plans for increased U.S. investment using a fund backed by Saudi Arabia in October — before Trump won the White House
Here's the Softbank announcement on the establishment of the fund. Perhaps you could point out where in the document the details of a US investment of $50 billion dollars and 50,000 US jobs appears?
Well, you can't because the details were only hammered out when Son met Trump in Dec.
Mother Jones, The Guardian, et al. are all credible sources if you follow the Progressive/Socialist/Communist narrative.
> he's already referring to himself in the third person,
Don't you know? That's the sign of a humble, caring man of the people.
After all, that narcissist Obama says "I" way too much in his speeches.
And once again the Clinton Crime Family conspiracy gets spunk . You have zero evidence for the claim
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I don't know what happened in the phone calls between Trump and the executives who control Sprint, who has has worked with before. I do know that just because they were considering a move like this, that doesn't mean discussions with Trump didn't figure into the ultimate decision and announcement. In fact, if I were Sprint (and even actually being the head of a tiny company), I often wouldn't finalize major decisions during a presidential campaign. A year ago, Sprint / Softbank knew that the political and regulatory environment in the US might make a major change either way.
Heck a year ago Bernie Sanders was polling almost as high as Clinton. There was a real chance that Bernie Sanders, the self-described socialist, would be sworn in as president before Sprint opened the US facility. So Sprint was trying to decide where to build the facility, not knowing if they'd be subject to regulations and tax policy from either Sanders, Clinton, trump, or possibly someone else. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the final decision to press "Go" was influenced was a) Trump winning and b) Trump's discussions with them, assuring them that the new president will appreciate the value of jobs, not just at Sprint, but jobs related to the Sprint facility - the cafe where the workers eat lunch, etc.
that's what I think of when I see these stories (read: 1984). That's what 1984 was really about: Manipulating information to oppress people (specifically television).
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You mean like how Al Gore takes credit for inventing the Internet?
Who promised the Rusdian leaders he'd have more 'flexibility' after his re-election? President Obama.
Who mocked claims that Russia posed the greatest threat to America? President Obama.
Who famously attempted to 'reset' relations with Russia, with comic results? Secretary of State Clinton.
You can act like random tweets from the campaign trail are meaningful, that's your right, but the above were all done by our elected/appointed officials while in office.
Ken
Hey moron! I have nothing to add just wanted to continue the moronic posting.
We've never had a President who sells branded merchanise online to anyone with a dollar, ruble or yen free. That's new. We've never had a man trying to take the office of President basically give the law a finger and continue to accept foreign money.
You want tro create jobs? Buy Trump brand merchandise, some of it is still made in the USA. Not the Official Trump Branded clothes, they're made in Bangaladesh, the Trump brand "Success" perfume is still made in the west kinda (in a German chemical factory). The pins are made in, erm China. The wallets are Chinese made, but they're shipped and packed in America!
"President Elect" Trump accepts dollars, rubles, yuan, yen, euros, Panamanian dollars, Nigerian dollars, Israeli shekels, Pounds, Syrian pounds, you name it, he'll accept it.
And do you think for a second, they won't give him a discount in exchange for a favorable deed as President?
This would be the same CIA that claimed that Iraq had WMDs?
The OneWeb jobs will be mostly for skilled technology workers. To the forgotten coal miners, manufacturing workers, etc... too bad. This economy is continuing to leave you behind. Building a satellite is a bit different than building an air conditioner; managing a global data service is different then selling an air conditioner.
Jobs are great, but to the folks who voted for Trump because they wanted their jobs back are in for a disappointment.
The Obama administration took credit for jobs that weren't lost - an essentially made up metric they added to jobs created to claim credit for jobs 'created or saved'... I never heard that metric before Obama was in office, had you?
Ken
I don't think those 5,000 jobs hand-delivering cellphones announced in 2015 are the same jobs being announced at the end of 2016.
You're right, they aren't the same. They probably never materialized in the US, or they were shipped overseas because in November of 2015 Sprint announced thousands of jobs would be cut.
Sprint Forced to Cut Thousands of Jobs
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/11/10/sprint-forced-to-cut-thousands-of-jobs.aspx
And every GOP presidential candidate fell by the wayside against Trump. Russia was a very hot topic in the GOP debates, w/ Trump supported only by Rand Paul on Russia, while most of the other candidates supported being tough on Russia. GOP voters had their own ideas about who's the bigger enemy - Russia, or Obama's beloved Muslims
there was only one politician running last election and it wasn't Trump.
"I am so glad we're more concerned with some DNC emails that showed office staff being office staff, "
Yeah... that's all it was. No attempts to try and get Trump to be the nominee because the DNC didn't feel Clinton beat many of the others... no attempts to sabotage Sanders campaign in various ways. Nobody from CNN provided debate questions to Clinton... Just office staff being office staff.
"nameless faceless sources....like the director of the CIA, the head of the DIA, and the head of the NSA.
also, do you think the CIA just burns their sources in Russia so quickly?
or did you not realize that the evidence would itself reveal who those assets are?"
Except Wikileaks -- who LEADED the emails says they didn't get those from the Russians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
How come Giuliani and Christie didn't end up in his cabinet in positions they liked, if that was all it took? How was it that Romney was seriously considered for the #1 job in the cabinet? And how did Trump consider other serious opponents, like Carly?
GOP Definitions: "Creating jobs":
Keeping jobs that already exist in the US, in the US.
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The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
You guys were optimistic about the new energy jobs Obama touted from the companies that eventually failed but Trump's news you just poor mouth it.
Shovel ready never happened as Obama admitted...
Companies can avoid Trump's wrath by spreading out the downsizing. They can fire a few dozen this week, and a few dozen next week, rather than a thousand all at once. They just need to keep it below the radar.
A better long-term solution is to hire fewer Americans in the first place. That way you don't suffer a political backlash if it doesn't work out.
SoftBank Group Corp. started out in 1981 as a distributor of computer software. As software is called “soft” in Japanese, the name “SoftBank” literally means “a bank of software.” We chose the word “bank” based on our grand aspiration to be a key source of infrastructure for the information society.
from http://www.softbank.jp/en/corp...
Yes that same CIA report that you guys defended in the past.
But let's just assume random forum posters are telling the whole truth! Yeah, that's the ticket!
It is if the facts are what is really happening. Or if there is a more plausible explanation of what is happening.
I would trust Mother Jones over Breitbart or The Blaze to be more accurate.
> .. the name of a telecom company, as opposed to a bank?
That must be really confusing for someone so easily taken in by Trump's brilliant logic.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
I guess soon we'll be executing people in the streets for their dirty looks because some other guy did it since that is the major conservative argument at this point. Once you establish precedent, (notice the spelling?) anything goes. Wonderful political philosophy. I will watch with glee as this country burns. I'm rich and white and can afford it, increasingly so, it may appear.
And nobody tried the same trick ever again! Except when North Carolina just did the same thing and then some.
I note that you don't want to name Clapper, a noted liar, as one of those. Please provide citations for your other claims. And please provide the actual EVIDENCE, of which we've seen none whatsoever. The WMDs had more public evidence than this! Think about that for a second. And no, I won't be impressed when you pull out that article by the people the DNC hired who say that they traced some IP back to Russia and it was used in other hacks and there were RATs that were commonly available on underground forums.
All the articles I've seen quote anonymous high level sources, the big liar Clapper, or the two people in charge of the ODNI, which is the 17 agencies, i.e. the Coast Guard & co.
I expect it to get worse. Especially when the government programs (except military) get cut.
"it invested $1 billion in OneWeb, a venture that intends to offer affordable Internet access".
"affordable Internet access"?
The project is projected to be around $3 billion.
To be affordable, I imagine they're expecting a very high number of users that would use a fairly low average amount of bandwidth each, and would have a very long projection for investment return (many decades to break even). My guess is that it's pricing model will be like 4G\LTE (pay per GB), but have higher latency (but not as bad as traditional satellite internet), and have more range than 4G. Anyone know how big a transmitter and receiver will be? If it's small enough to integrate into a normal smartphone, I could see a big potential there. Otherwise, I think the use cases will be limited, so it will probably not be "affordable" to break even, unless they make a lot with military, gov, big corps, that will pay very big money for internet in remote locations, which would subsidize the rest of the users.
Good luck to them either way.
shocking, making unknowable claims to further your personal agenda? lol the next 4 years are going to be funny for those of us who can weather the storm.
Yes, not entirely accurate, but it's still a step up from the previous administration's definition, which is outright job loss to globalism.
If you believe Trump isn't a politician then I've got a plot of land on Mars to sell you...
what is your argument here? seriously do there remain any political argument that doesn't rest on a deflection to the opposing party?
How does your brain not simply explode from what were ingrained and longstanding policy differences between dnc / gop thrown into the wind with the election of Trump?
Lol it is too much.
... says the AC troll. Are you guys paid to do this kind of shit, or do you think it's funny?
I don't respond to AC's.
He is a politician now but before the election he most certainly was not. Are you that thick to not understand this basic concept? Let me help you out: What political office did he hold before November 8th? Idiot.
Go Trump!!!
Wow, you really aren't very bright are you?
No wonder you think ISIS speaks for all of Islam - its in the name, so it must be true!
So we'll say "Thanks Thump" when anything good happens, like we did the "Thanks Obama" when something bad happened?
My ice cream cone melted and fell on the sidewalk. Thanks Obama...
the Palestinians weren't negotiating in good faith before - they've never recognized Israel's right to exist.
Because Israeli policies are so focused towards a two-state policy. Except they keep building heavily fortified and armed Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land (these settlers are armed by the Israeli government and are afforded practical immunity for killings of Palestinians), have cracked down on elected Arab members of the Knesset (and also passed a law that allows them to be expelled from the Knesset by a 2/3 vote), deny Palestinian building permits and access to reliable water and electricity, and will shoot dead teenagers who throw rocks at armored vehicles.
But in all fairness, Israel and Palestine really are true "co-belligerents", but since the leaders of both sides need the status quo to remain in power the possibility of both sides negotiating in good faith is extremely small. At this point any solution that doesn't involve the eradication or expulsion of one side will have to be enforced. With emphasis on "force".
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
I'm just astounded at the number of folks on Slashdot pointing out "these things have been long time in the works, Trump played no part in this!" That's some USA Today level commenting. Yes, we all know, anything good and the President-elect takes credit, anything bad and the President-elect places blame on the current President. This play is about as old as all get out.
If anyone is on here stating the obvious thinking they somehow are revealing the lie, well my assumption is that the Slashdot users are a little more intelligent to not fall for the "look at what I did" game. If there's anything to note about this, is that it is starting to look like the majority of jobs that Trump aims to "bring back" to the USA are going to be low waged, we're missing one piece in the automation process, jobs that aren't going to on large scales do much for the economy. In order for Trump to make good on the infrastructure changes that he's aiming for and the tax cuts that he's aiming for, he's banking on 4% GDP growth (Note - From rightest leaning website I could find carrying it.) for every year he's in office. You can head over here to see what's been the going rate of change. You'll see lots of ups and downs that average over a year's span don't come out to 4%, ever.
If the old Trumpster fire thinks he's going to get to his goal with repeating over and over the 8000 of jobs that are being indicated here, he's dead wrong. They're jobs, yes. However they do not pay enough, to move the needle much. Even if this was repeated every day dude was in office. Just to note, that Carrier deal that Trump thumps, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt and call it 1000, we'd need roughly five of those per day for every day he's in office for the next four years to reach the GDP growth he's aiming for, if we strictly keep it to trying to grow the economy.
The gaurdian has tons of credibility, especially after the Snowden revelations. They certainly have more credibility than an anon poster who thinks they are pro Islamic? Where you you people get this drivel from?
This would be the same CIA that claimed that Iraq had WMDs?
No. That CIA existed in the early 2000's. This CIA is almost a generation later.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
i look forward to january 20...
This would be the same CIA that claimed that Iraq had WMDs?
Shush! It's completely reasonable to warmonger and attack a nuclear power, risking an escalation to a species-ending event so long as it benefits your political party.
Any sane person on the planet would vote for Zombie Mecha Hitler himself before allowing the same old song and dance of starting a pointless war for political gain the US has done every 15 years except this time picking a fight with a country that has 5300 nukes and leadership prideful enough to use them.
He is a politician now but before the election he most certainly was not. Are you that thick to not understand this basic concept? Let me help you out: What political office did he hold before November 8th? Idiot.
He became a politician when he threw his hat in the ring in 2015. He became a successful politician in 2016. Do you not understand this basic concept?
His training ground on how to lie effectively and influence people was as a CEO.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
Rather than be happy that jobs are returning to the US, you people have to turn it into a polarizing "them vs. us" anti-Trump argument.
Some of you must have friends outside the IT industry, and more to the point in middle America. If you do, then you shouldn't be blind to what's happening to the middle class. I don't give a damn who created the jobs and why - I'm simply happy to see people living with hope again.
Not hope for a wall. not hope for Trump, and not hope for blocking immigration from terrorist-supporting countries. Hope for a future in which they can afford to send their kids to school, hope that they can afford to have medical coverage, and hope that our country has not abandoned them.
Anything Trump-related brings out the worst in the liberally inclined though. I think you all need to look deep within about what you hate so much. Trump ain't all that, but neither is being so distracted by your hatred of others that you cannot see the good that's happening to others.
Will I directly benefit from any of this? No - I'm fortunate to have a good job, but when I see people I grew up with depressed about working 50-60 hours a week, just to take home minimum wage, I have hope again. Not for Trump and what he may or may not do, but for my friends and family who look happy for the first time in a long time.
All right hate mongers - Feel free to insult me, suggest I sleep with relatives, and to call me a racist. If you're going to go down this path though, at least try to seperate yourself from the sheeple and provide something compelling for a change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhY9Zxv1-oo
Oh, you left out the part about expanding power and infrastructure grid on to settlements in Palestinian territory and extending all judicial rights to cover any issues as well as providing defensive protections for the people within the area.
Settlements is not the right word and never has been. The proper term is Annex.
This is a disingenuous argument, so let me do you a solid and explain why so you can stop embarassing yourself. Bush had already decided to invade Iraq and the CIA report was cherry-picked to seem to legitimize his bias. SRC: http://www.rand.org/content/da...
From Ukraine Today:
Kissinger advises Trump to accept Crimea as Russia – Bild
Here's what the old war-criminal envisions:
He believes that rapprochement with Russia is the right move to position itself against the increasing militarization of China. A balance between America and Russia would strengthen global stability.
According to the analysis of Western European intelligence services, which refers to the information from the Trump team, the future U.S. president is also seeking the abolition of the Russian sanctions on the "Kissinger's recommendation".
Kissinger also recommends recognizing the dominance of Russia in the former Soviet republics of Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia and Kazakhstan. This means: The US politically confers Russia's space between Poland / Baltics and Iran, Afghanistan and China as a sphere of influence.
The long-time Putin confidant has also his plan for political and economic development of Ukraine. The core of the idea is that Russia guarantees the security of the eastern Ukraine, gradually withdrawing from there. The West, in return, does not interfere with the Crimean question.
> why would they wait until now to break that news, and why then bother telling Trump anything if they weren't planning such a move in the first place?
Holy crap you are naive.
Sitting on a news release until it can be used for maximum gain is standard operating procedure. Giving the president a freebie, regardless of party, in exchange for amplifying the PR benefits isn't suspicious, its utterly predictable.
Look, you can debate how deep a recession would have been without any particular set of policies. But this isn't an "up for debate" issue. The move was planned. There is no ground whatsoever to take credit for it.
For the love of Crom, am I the only one here who wants to keep the U.S. technologically competitive?
Announcing intent to run a campaign to become a politician is the same as being a politician? Running a campaign to get elected is now the same as being elected?
If I apply for a job does that make me employed? Or does that make me a prospective employee?
If I go to school for science does that make me a scientist? Or does it make me a prospective scientist?
If I announce my candidacy for political office does that make me a politician? Or does it make me a prospective politician?
"and again: I am so glad we're more concerned with some DNC emails that showed office staff being office staff, more than we are with electing the most unqualified man to run for office, an admitted sexual assaulter, scam artist, and general nincompoop. we really dodged a bullet there."
Your talking about 8 years ago ... what does it matter now?
Obama has also taken fewer vacation days than most recent presidents; although it's a bit of a weird concept. All presidents still work a ton on these vacations. So instead of "vacation", much of it is "same job, different scenery". There are lots of records that prove all this, for all presidents.
and you're ALREADY blaming him for company decision, just let him get in office and THEN berate him for autocracy!
What..? HE is taking the credit? Does he know people are also blaming him for cockups happening now? So he accepts the cockups, then, right? No? Well surely the trump supporters will be wondering why he's to blame for bad and good things before he's president. No?
Damn.
That's just something I don't get. Investing USD 1 million in something and then creating just a single job in the process?! It's as if there's at least a zero wrong somewhere.
and will shoot dead teenagers who throw rocks at armored vehicles.
If dead teenagers are throwing rocks at armored vehicles then I strongly support not only shooting them but decapitating them and burning the zombie corpses. The last thing that area needs is a zombie apocalypse.
Really? Because he lies and capitalizes on fear with the best of them.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
He became a politician when he threw his hat in the ring in 2015. He became a successful politician in 2016.
By that argument, he became a politician long before 2015.
His first attempt to run for the presidency was in 2000, when he sought the nomination of the Reform Party. In fact, he toyed with the idea of running for president at least as early as 1987.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Cherry-picked huh?
https://fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html
Confidence Levels for Selected Key Judgments in This Estimate
High Confidence:
-Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding, its chemical, biological, nuclear and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions.
-We are not detecting portions of these weapons programs.
-Iraq possesses proscribed chemical and biological weapons and missiles.
-Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grad fissile material
[CIA had high confidence in things that were found to be completely false.]
Moderate Confidence:
-Iraq does not yet have a nuclear weapon or sufficient material to make one but is likely to have a weapon by 2007 to 2009. (See INR alternative view, page 84).
Low Confidence
-When Saddam would use weapons of mass destruction.
-Whether Saddam would engage in clandestine attacks against the US Homeland.
-Whether in desperation Saddam would share chemical or biological weapons with al-Qa'ida.
Bush lied about Iraq being an imminent threat, but the justification came from the CIA's 2002 NIE tailored made by then DCI George Tenet. He also had this to say about Iraq in 1997 in front the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Hearing on Current and Projected National Security Threats:T
Mr. Chairman, Iraq, under Saddam, continues to present a serious threat to US forces, interests and allies. Our principal aim must be to ensure that Saddam does not have weapons of mass destruction or the capacity to regain any he has lost. As my statement for the record points out in greater detail, we assess that Iraq continues to hide critical WMD production equipment and material from UN inspectors.
Let me make three points.
We stand by the judgments in the NIE.
The NIE demonstrates consistency in our judgments over many years and are based on a decade's worth of work. Intelligence is an iterative process and as new evidence becomes available we constantly reevaluate.
We encourage dissent and reflect it in alternative views. ...
We stand behind the judgments of the NIE as well as our analyses on Iraq’s programs over the past decade. Those outside the process over the past ten years and many of those commenting today do not know, or are misrepresenting, the facts. We have a solid, well-analyzed and carefully written account in the NIE and the numerous products before it
We have no doubt, however, that the NIE was the most reasonable, well-grounded, and objective assessment of Iraq’s WMD programs that was possible at the time it was produced
Cherry picked my ass.
Hmm.. Must have screwed up a tag or something. The content that starts with "Let me make three points." is from a press release by DCI Tenet on Aug 2003 defending the 2002 NIE that said Iraq had, and was continuing to develop WMD's
Statement by Director of Central Intelligence George J. Tenet on the
2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on
Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction
https://fas.org/irp/cia/product/dci081103.html
I love that liberals are now defending the CIA and that conservatives are condemning them.
There many articles about US politics for 2017, but just two headlines. Use whichever one suits the story:
1) Trump lies about stuff
2) Trump is a whiny little bitch
> why would they wait until now to break that news, and why then bother telling Trump anything if they weren't planning such a move in the first place?
Holy crap you are naive.
Sitting on a news release until it can be used for maximum gain is standard operating procedure. Giving the president a freebie, regardless of party, in exchange for amplifying the PR benefits isn't suspicious, its utterly predictable.
In which case, if Clinton had won every Slashdotter's opinion would be the reversal of the position they're arguing now, right?
Mother Jones is as credible as Stormfront. Echo chamber for a fringe.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Is presidential vacationing a dumb non-issue? Sure! Didn't stop people from slamming bush on it, though.
There are no facts. Reality is a myth. Existence is a myth; descartes was wrong, cogito non ergo sum.
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
My take: the companies in question are letting him take credit for it. They want to be on his good side. And the way to be on Trump's good side entails the following: (1) be obsequious to him; and (2) bring celebrities. One out of two doesn't hurt.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
That's what I want to know! What are all those nasty dictatorship oil companies donating tens of millions to the Clinton charity expecting in return? And now that it is a wasted investment, what next?
Oops, wrong official. Oh well, "follow the money" and all that...
What's to hate?
If you think Hillary was somehow less corrupt than Trump then you are part of the problem. I know you'll get a lot of cheerleading for saying crap like that but the woman was involved in so many shady incidents during her entire legal and political career that she made Nixon look like high schooler sneaking in a flash to his prom.
Not to mention that running about 80% of your ads in a swing state that never mentioned a single accomplishment but told you how "EBIL!11!1!!" The Wicked Frump was is a big time red flag. The other 20% never touched on any real accomplishments, they just said that she thought kids were important and she liked them. Wowzer!
But hey, keep blaming racism as the reason even tho Hillary had quotable racist ramblings to her name where Trump has none... You keep thinking like this and you'll keep losing. That's fine by me.
They planned to move one line to Mexico, but not eliminate any jobs in the US (expanding production on another line).
LOL!! Wow. Just wow. With thinking like that there is no defeating your "logic."
Do you have any evidence that CorrectTheRecord ever paid people to visit slashdot? Even assuming they did, why would they be still operating this far past the election?
Seems you're just in denial that people would have opinions different from yours without being paid for it.
Minimization is the opposite of hyperbole. There are two extremes held by liberals, almost at the same time, for every position Trump takes. Here, I'll give you my latest discovery ....
Trumpism: "Make America Great Again"
Liberal: "America was never great!!!" (Minimization)
Same LIberal, five minutes later: "America was always great!!!!" (Hyperbole)
A liberal can hold both views at the same time, without even knowing it. The views come out depending on topic. In each case above, if it is something they don't like "Never Great!!!", if it is something they do like "Always Great!!!"
Once you realize that their opinions are fully dependent on the cause they are supposedly supporting, it all starts to make sense. A professor berates and verbally abuses Trump's Daughter on a plane ... meh. A professor says they don't support Abortion and "TEHY MUST BE FIRED!!!!" (sic)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Yeah, these are the same powers liberals fear in Trump, and will spend the next odd years "questioning and denying the legitimacy of his powers since before he took office". You know, kinda like they are doing now.
Don't act like your side is better than the other side, they both fucking suck.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Let's just hope that Assange is telling the truth about it not being Russia, even if the assertion does not seem particularly credible.
Why do I say it doesn't seem credible? Well, for starters, Russia clearly has means, motive, and opportunity to perform such a hack and subsequently provide the results to Wikileaks. Moreover, any insider would have a strong incentive to submit such a leak via Tor (especially given the fact that DKIM lets anybody verify their validity, eliminating the need for a "credible" source), in which case Assange would have no clue who leaked them. So whoever leaked the emails was either (i) anonymous, (ii) recklessly stupid, or (iii) very well protected from legal/personal backlash. The most likely scenario seems to be that both (i) and (iii) hold simultaneously, but Julian assures the public that it is (ii). (I suppose that the leak coming from the Trump camp would qualify as (iii), but I suspect they would go the (i) route.)
Why do I say let's hope Assange is telling the truth? Because the FBI's and CIA's investigation doesn't just support the claim that Russia was behind the attack, but it also suggests that Russia performed a similar hack on the GOP, but is keeping its findings secret for purposes of blackmail. And it would be ludicrous to think that the dirt revealed about Hillary is any worse than the dirt you could dig up on any randomly selected GOP (or DNC) member, and that the dirt you could dig up on The Donald would make said random GOPer/DNCer look like a saint.
So, while none of us know what role Russia played, if any, in the election, what we do know is that *if* Russia were behaving like a rational, self-interested party, *then* they would have hacked both the DNC and the GOP, leaked dirty secrets about whichever side they had the "least dirt" on to get the "most blackmailable" side elected, and then leverage the really dirty secrets to turn the winner into a sock puppet.
The FBI/CIA seem to suggest that Russia did, in fact, act rationally. Julian Assange promises us that they did not. For everybody's sake, let's hope Julian is telling the truth.
Here is the actual list of all his golfing .... http://obamagolfcounter.com/
It is pretty long list.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Haha well seeing as Obama had YEARS to retaliate against Russia for Ukraine and failed miserably, I think I'll hold my breath on him doing fuck all in under 30 days.
I'm confused. Surely the Republicans believe in the free market, which means companies should be able to do whatever the fuck they want.
Because anything else is cormanizzum, death panels and being obliged to make pink cakes for raving mincers.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
If they tell Trump it's because of him... then it's probably because of him.
Or did I misunderstand the establishment's stances on regulation, taxation and globalism?
Not any longer, ever since Trump figured out the Republican voters didn't believe Republican economic theory further than they could spit a two-headed rat. And as it turns out, the Republicans in Congress were only spouting it because it sounded good at the time. Now it sounds good to suck up a lying sack of shit, they recognized him as one of their own.
Tell you what, as soon as Trump says something that is true, then we'll give him plaudits for saying it.
Well, they didn't have much to say about him. Name calling is not the same as the person having actually done something. If he had broken as many moral rules/codes and laws as Hillary I'm sure we would have heard about it and he would not have been elected. All we got now was "He is a misogynist bastard racist nazi warmonger idiot incompetent rapist... because I said so!" I guess that wasn't enough....
Trump supporters are likely too uneducated to qualify for these jobs.
I don't think Trump's term has started yet, but still he's credited for personally saving jobs which is something no president has any real power over. But everyone likes to shrink down the terms of office: can't take action just before a congressional break, or during a break, or just before midterm elections, or just after midterm elections when the lame ducks are still there, or during the holidays, or on a Tuesday, ...
Hey morons! "Moron" is a medical term for which none of you qualifies.
This has been your pedantic post for the day. Also I, too, had nothing of value to add and just wanted to get in on the moronic thread.
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
You are a politician if you are running for office, and even if you lose. When one is in office, ideally the politics should stop and the governing should begin.
I guess, when I apply for a job I am an employee. Not a prospective employee.
I thought you had to hold a political office to be a politician like being employed to be an employee.
Words have meaning.
The gaurdian has tons of credibility, especially after the Snowden revelations. They certainly have more credibility than an anon poster who thinks they are pro Islamic? Where you you people get this drivel from?
From led-tainted water and a lifetime of supersized freedom fries cooked on bald eagle oil.
Multiple meanings.
https://www.merriam-webster.co...
Because David Brock's Ex has a certain Pizza joint everyone has been paying attention to.
Lots of politicians never run for any elected office. Any General Officer got there by being a pretty damn good politician, the officers that aren't good politicians never make it past LT Colonel.
If you hold an elected office then you are an Incumbent.
Yes, but the point is over the fact that Trump has never held political office. That was a strength for Trump in this last election as much as being a politician was a weakness for Clinton. If you want to argue the semantics of definitions I concede to your dictionary definitions but that doesn't undermine the point of my original post.
The fact is Trump was a not a politician until this election cycle. If I had added that one word 'cycle' it would have made the statement more accurate but does not undermine my original point. There was one politician running for POTUS and it wasn't Trump. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
What is unknowable? It was pretty much on the record that Trump and Paul were for working w/ Russia where possible, while the others, like Rubio, Fiorina, Graham and Bush were opposed. Then there was Cruz, whose stance on Russia was unstated.
If you are referring to my comment on Obama, his actions last few days on the Palis, and his denunciation of the Assad regime while turning a blind eye to human rights abuses by Jihadi forces like the Free Syrian Army - which drove Christians out of Aleppo when they first captured the city - pretty much prove that the goodwill of Muslims is closest to his heart.
Trump has always been about dealmaking, and getting Moscow to stop its operations in the Donbass in return for Kyiv recognizing the Crimea as a part of Russia is a good start.
Not just China, but it's also a good idea to form a partnership w/ Russia and isolate Muslim powers in the Middle East - be it Saudi Arabia, Turkey or Iran.
Breaking into computer systems is something anybody w/ the knowledge of network security can do: it doesn't require a state action in the same way that slipping polonium tablets into somebody's chai would be. Which is why Trump's statement that a 400lb guy in his mom's basement could have done the job
Remember how Ed Snowden spoke up in support of the Clinton's when Trump questioned how Comey could have reviewed those documents so quickly. Why would he do that if Russia had an interest in Trump's win, when we know that they control him more than they control Assange
You indeed are a world class cretin
Yeah, Obama was elected for 8 years, and he's still the president. But on November 8th, voters did NOT vote for him. They would have voted either for Clinton or Trump. Even if Clinton had won, he'd still have been expected to get a buy in from her, since she was the chosen one, and then execute on it. In fact, everybody knows that had Clinton won, all he would be doing would be transitioning. But since Trump won, and he's still bitter about the birther saga, he's doing a payback by pulling off moves that Trump would be forced to either endorse or reverse. Which Trump will reverse, since he's on record as being opposed.
As a reference, neither of the Bushes did anything like it when they passed on power to Bill Clinton or Obama. Even Bill Clinton did nothing like it, even though juvenilles in his office removed the 'W's off keyboards. In fact, that stunt looks pretty graceful compared to the shit that Obama's been pulling off
The resolution doesn't state that 'Israel isn't being nice': it states that Israel is expected to dismantle all settlements not only outside the pre-1967 borders, but in the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem as well. It has a lot more teeth than is understood, which is why the new discussion is about de-fanging and de-funding the UN
Yeah, you missed all the CorrectTheRecord signed posts that were frequently posted here
Dear AC, its impossible to tell if you are sarcastic or not. I'm flipping back and forth.
Your ad here. Ask me how!
There were 1,750 people at the Carrier plant (and another 700 at their nearby plant that makes electronic components). 1,400 jobs from the Carrier plant (and all 700 from the other) were slated to go to Mexico. 350 people were slated to stay behind, mostly R&D types. As a result of Pence's $7MM bribe, 800 jobs stayed in Indiana. 1,300 still went to Mexico (600 from Carrier, 700 from the nearby plant).
The fuzzy math is that Trump focusing on the Carrier plant says "They were planning to move 1,400 jobs, and now they're keeping 1,150 jobs." This makes it sound like he saved most of the jobs. In reality, he's counting the 350 people who were never leaving as staying, but not counting them in the "out of" group.
This type of deception can be made apparent if you consider a company planning on shipping half its jobs overseas. Let's say its a 100,000 person company, because that makes numbers easy. I talk to the CEO. Then I announce "They were going to ship 50,000 jobs overseas, but after talking with Joe, I can assure you that there will still be 50,000 good jobs here for years to come" and having it reported on like I saved a town when nothing changed.
BTW, sources on my numbers were your wikipedia link.
Your ad here. Ask me how!
Yes, since it is an act of becoming a person who works in politics.
Sober up and you'll remember.
Yes, which is why all that "I'm not one of them" stuff rang hollow.
Ask your Dad, Reagan played the same silly game AFTER being a State Governor for a few years.
I very much doubt there were any. People in politics like to jump on good news and pretend they were involved.
Shiesty deals behind closed doors? Yeah, that's how the government should do business. What the fuck are you doing Trump?
Ah well it's helpful that they sign them. Must not be around much these days.
This page hasn't been updated since last year. Beyond that, the list is exactly as long as I said it was....
The pro-Islamic comment was complete claptrap.
However, The Guardian lost credibility after Snowden, and after they were forced to destroy some hard drives in front of GCHQ personnel.
Glenn Grenwald caught them lying, distorting and dissembling just recently.
"The Guardian’s Summary of Julian Assange’s Interview Went Viral and Was Completely False"
https://theintercept.com/2016/...
USB, USB, USB!
Neat.
Neet.
there was only one politician running last election and it wasn't Trump.
True. Both parties were challenged by the people's desire for something other than yet another corrupt politician. On the Democrat side where the challenger lost, they tried getting rid of the corrupt part. On the republican side where the challenger one, they got rid of the politician part. Of course, now he is a poltician, with the highest post in the land, and there untested and with no experience.
. On the Democrat side where the challenger lost,
I wish they didn't lose that particular fight. :(
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations,...
Somehow, I hardly think that abstaining from a vote of the UN security council where everybody else, including all the other permanent members voted in favor, is hardly the Obama and the US creating a problem. Perhaps if it had been a contentious, highly split vote, but in this case, it's pretty much a polite notice that Israel is creating a problem for the US with the rest of the world. Settlements are not part of Israeli security and just a land grab by what seems to obviously be a strong faction of Israeli politics that has no interest in peace.
I apply for programming jobs because I program. people apply for office because they politic. its a required skill for that job
Actually this is what would happen if he were effective. If firing people becomes very hard/impossible, companies will simply not hire.
And to the people happy to have a president meddling into private business operation, well enjoy it.
I am not american btw, do not bother replying.
I thought that the counterpart to Alt-Right was Ctrl-Left - all taken from the keys of our keyboards
Not just that - but that Liberals today exhibit even a greater hostility to the Russians that Conservatives displayed towards the Soviets. Only that they want to follow it up w/ pinpricks - target only Putin and his inner circle, but not touch the Russian people.
Given this surgical policy which is impossible to execute, Trump's preference - regardless of what the Russians may have done - makes sense.
You are right - presidents don't have real power over jobs. However, in this case, Trump has personally gotten involved in lobbying CEOs not to move operations overseas, or to hire more people within the US. That does change the complexion of the game here.
No, this vote was instigated by the US, according to what the Israelis have discovered. Initially, the State Department worked w/ Egypt to draft the resolution that Egypt would introduce, since it is the current Arab League member of the Security Council. Trump then contacted Egypt and told them that if they brought this forward, his administration would not be on good terms w/ them, so they withdrew their sponsorship. Kerry then had other countries, like Senegal, New Zealand and Venezuela introduce this resolution instead, so that it could pass
As is well known by everybody including Israel hating neo-Nazis - both Muslim and non Muslim - Israel not only ended settlements in Gaza some years ago, but uprooted all existing settlements, including Jewish graves, and gave it all to the Palis. Since then, Hamas has been bombarding Israeli border areas like Sderot from Gaza. So Israel would be pretty stupid to end settlements anywhere. The people who are not interested in peace have always been the Arabs (the term 'Pali' is an invented and fictitious term) - from 1949 to today. Not just that, this resolution also requires Israel to vacate the Jewish quarters of Jerusalem, which includes the Western Wall and the Temple Mount. Let's have non-Muslim forces from any country seize Mecca and Medina, and even build, say, a Buddhist monastery there, and watch Muslims worldwide scream bloody murder.
Also, it's always been recognized that about territory conquered in war, to the victor belongs the spoils. If the UN disagrees here, let's have Germany regain all East Prussian territories that were given to Poland after WWII, Poland regain Belorussian lands and Belarus regain parts of Russia. Or better yet, let's have Arabs from all countries from Morocco to Iraq return to the Gulf states, since it was Arab armies that overran the Byzantine and Sassanid Empires in the 7th century. If they're not willing to do that, then stop demanding that Israel turn back territory that it conquered in the 1967 war.
The Republicans who believed in the 'free market' were trounced in the elections. Even in the debates, if you recall, they didn't try to refute Trump when he'd condemn TPP and trade agreements w/ China. Only Ted Cruz tried it towards the end, while arguing that it would start a trade war. Although the argument against that is that tariffs can be charged on products at the point of entry into the US, not at the point of sale. So if a company ships a product in, pays a tarrif and then can't sell, or has to do a firesale, it's screwed. Which is why it needs to look at the most cost effective US manufacturing
It doesn't matter how conservative or republican voters may be: if they see their jobs disappearing to countries where the currency is valued 2% that of the US, thereby causing labor costs that are orders of magnitude lower, they're not gonna keep supporting policies that allow it, no matter how purist it may be ideologically. Which is why the GOP lost its ideological purity. The Dems had a better chance by going pure socialism, but rigged it, and lost the election as a result
Slightly. It's like volunteering to cook and serve food at the homeless shelter on Thanksgiving. It doesn't solve the problem of hunger in the country and it's certainly not a long term plan. Neither will picking a few companies and personally asking them to save 1000 jobs today solve the employment crisis and it's not at all a long term plan on how to deal with the issue.
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