Heh, I know the guys who run those sites. Gotta razz them like hell on Monday. In fact, some of them are there in the vault now twittling their thumbs for the next couple hours. I think I'll call them... >:-}
Well, the US Air Force and most of the US Army will be taking their public sites down, too. They are concerned about "hackers" attacking them over the weekend. Well, the bad guys don't have to do anything to take the sites down. Nothing like having your target do your work for you...
2) Tools and a development environment to access coporate databases. Data is the life blood of business. MS makes it easy for developers to get at databases. Linux does not. Not surprisingly MS has made COM objects to access all sorts of databases (I am not talking about the silly data control here either).
Right now PHP and, to a smaller extent Zope, are leading the way to dbms access. And it's not just for the Web, either. PHP is more than able to be a standard application scripting langauge capable of performing the duties of a number of previously entrenched languages/tools. You'd be downright shocked by the number of SysAdmins who are changing their perl scripts over to PHP.
For Internet B2B applications, PHP is very hard to beat.
I think the only things we need to make Linux ready for the corporate desktop is:
- A decent webbrowser. (mozilla / opera coming soon) - A decent Email program (hmm.. kMail is usable, but not great) - A decent Office suite (kOffice coming soon)
I completely agree with you about the web browser. The email client point is ify. I still can't find anything better than pine or mutt for email but I'm sure that a GUI client would be good for the masses.
I will disaree with your point about a good office suite. If you define a "good" office suite by it's capibility and functionality then Linux has two; ApplixWare (which is fantastic) and StarOffice. The problem people have is they define a "good" office suite as being exactlly like MS Office (which is NOT all that great).
Yes there is: Appgen. And you're right about the "huge cost to redo [them] for Linux" but the cost of maintianing them now is pretty close to the cost of converting them. TCO is so much better with Linux it's scary.
Perhaps I'm being dense but I don't see cause and effect in your post. If things aren't going to be disasterous, mearly annoying, then why do you recommend moving money back on-shore?
Not disasterous here in the US and, for the most part, Europe. Very, very bad in the rest of the world. Bringing any funds or other resources that are outside the country is a good idea in that there is a high probability that communications with most of the outside world will be excedingly dificult, at best.
If you don't like that argument (your call), I can offer another one. Firstly, if you're putting money offshore, it's generally a mid- to long-term investment strategy. Secondly, I think most people accept that of all the institutions around, Financial institutes have the most experience with the post-2000 situation (given that most have dealt with long-term loans, accounts or contracts etc).
On the face if it this looks true. Excepr for the facts: The USA is leading all major countries in Y2K conversions of their banking systems. The USA is still unfinished to the point of there being 35% undone when Jan 1, 2000 comes around. Most other countries aren't even 35% started.
Assets that aren't securied in one of the relitively few good institutions are suseptable to, well, errors. We'll just have to wait and see what those errors will be.
The ones that I really like are those which not only have information on subjects and issues I am concerned with now but also are written such that they make good references for future use. Linux Journal, SysAdmin, WebTechniques, Linux Magazine, SC, Security...
These are some that have been on the "keep" list. I get a ton of other mags but most fo them go directly from the mailbox to the library as donations. (Which are tax deductable).
Yes, the movie was full of a lot of very bad tech. Yes, the movie was all flash and no substance. However, anyone who thinks there will be no problems in Jan 2000 is kidding themselves. I know, I have been doing some Y2K retro work and IV&V of others work. Plus I spent most of the 80's and the early 90's writing and maintaining what is laughingly called "legacy code". I've seen what's in there. It's not pretty.
No, we are not going to see anything like the movie. At worst there will be things like rolling brown-outs and spotty system glitches. That's just in the US, though. Most of Europe is in the same situation but the rest of the world will see MASSIVE problems with power, communications, utilities, etc., systems. Nothing totally disastrous, just very annoying and inconvenient. (If you have money in any off-shore banks you might want to think about moving it.)
Anyway, it'll be an interesting time between Jan 1 and (probably) the end of March.
Oh, and for the record, we have 406 days as of 11/22/1999 'till the new millennium. That was probably the one good part of the movie, when the wife mentioned that the new millennium starts on Jan 1, 2001!
E: All soldiers are too stupid to tell whether a shotgun was fired into the air or directly at them.
In all fairness to Pvt. Snuffy, he did have his back turned when "Waco Bill" discharged the shotgun. When he turned back all he saw was his buddy going down.
OC, a real soldier wouldn't have turned his back in the first place...
I've been using XFce from the 1.x days. It is just the best desktop there is. The CDE look'n'feel is much easier to use than the Win95-like layout of KDE & GNOME/E and more intuitive than WindowMaker and AfterStep. Not that the others are bad. The best window manager/desktop is the one that you prefer.
Personally I have been quite disappointed with KDE and GNOME. They are just to clumsy and bloated to be top quality desktop replacements for WinXX. Maybe in the near future they'll be viable but for now, XFce is the best there is.
I have just started to work with a Mega-Alpha (can you say 1.5 Gig of RAM?!?) running True64 and it really is sweet. There's a LOT of very nice things in this OS and it absolutely screems! If you want to see what the next setp in OS technology will be you should try this out. If you don't want to shell out the $99 (plus buy an Alpha system) you can testdrive it at -
I don't think the browser is the war, more like a major battle. However we (the linux community) does need to address this issue. We need alturnatives other than Netscape. Free is better but if Opera would ever become a non-vapor product it would still be a major help.
One point, though. The desktop is not the real battle ground. It is important but it's not the biggest place that Linux needs to win. Linux has to capture the middleware and server (I mean Enterprise server) market. Once that's done we will be able to make MS do what WE want. They will have to make their desktop products work or people will not be able to get anything done and they will start to switch to alturnatives like the Mac and BeOS and Linux and such.
First off, let me say that I am (gasp) not a Linux user. Sorry. I'm too enmeshed in the Windows world to put up with the trouble of dual booting all the time.
No problem. Get VMware and run Linux under NT (or run WinXX under Linux, as I do).
This LinuxLite may just be the next big thing - who, at this point, can really tell?
It's more than obvious that LinuxOne is, well, dubious at best. There are already a number of very good distros for the WinXX crowd. This one really does look like a "get ritch quick" scheme.
The point about trademark dilusion is valid but this is an instence of someone, IDG, taking a genaric phrase and putting a trademark on it. It's almost as bad as the MS Bob® or even Windows® ones.
There's a utility out there somewhere called AutoRPM which does this and more, making the process of keeping your system updated completely transparent and automated.
I do agree that the *BSD way is a very good one, though.
I've heard a number of proplr who aren't techies but work with then claim that they believe Attention Defesit Disorder is part of what makes the techies what they are. I do know that everytime any of "us" get together in any sized group the conversation is likely to wander all over the place and the movement from one topic to another can be nearly instentanious.
I would like to see a neurologival study done of techies/geeks/us to see if there are any common traits that we share which aren't in the so-called normal people. It'd be interesting.
Pardon the spelling and semi-incohearentnes of this post. I'm so doped up I can hardly see the keyboard. Hell, that'd be another good study: Physical injuries to techies and how they are treated. Mine involved large doses of a very strond pain killer, two types of muscle relaxents, two different anti-depressants and three or four other for someoreason I can't remember right now.
[Heh, I kinda prooved my original point in that I got totally off the original thread within my own message]
There is an organization that's been around for 3 or 4 years now that is the leading force behind fighting for the rights of the online professional. It is the Association of Online Professionals and they are the ONLY organization that the governments listen to. I would encourage everyone who has any kind of interest in this topic to go to the AOP site and join. I've seen their work and they have done more for the online world than the ACLU, EFF, etc. combined.
I had to get one of the/. shirts and a hat. I still don't know why I get the hats, though. I have a couple of baseball caps from RH plus 5 or 6 from other companies not to mention I sprung for the RH Fedora (which is definitely worth its price).
OC, I don't wear hats. Never really did. Got 'em all lying around the house here somewhere. Well, except for the fedora. It's just to good a hat not to sit on top of my system.
Read the article. He changed the homepage and some other stuff. In this web enabled world defacing a website is tantamount to taking a sledghammer to store front.
This kid is nothing like Mitnick. He malichously broke into a system to intentionaly cause damage. I happen to personally know the guys who run www.army.mil and the kind of crap this script kiddie pulled isn't really worth space on/. but that's not my call.
The one part that I am behind is the punishment for this crime. It should not be anything near what a "real" crimminal desirves. He should get a big-ass fine and maybe some minimal time in a minimum security place.
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Heh, I know the guys who run those sites. Gotta razz them like hell on Monday. In fact, some of them are there in the vault now twittling their thumbs for the next couple hours. I think I'll call them... >:-}
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Right now PHP and, to a smaller extent Zope, are leading the way to dbms access. And it's not just for the Web, either. PHP is more than able to be a standard application scripting langauge capable of performing the duties of a number of previously entrenched languages/tools. You'd be downright shocked by the number of SysAdmins who are changing their perl scripts over to PHP.
For Internet B2B applications, PHP is very hard to beat.
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- A decent webbrowser. (mozilla / opera coming soon)
- A decent Email program (hmm.. kMail is usable, but not great)
- A decent Office suite (kOffice coming soon)
I completely agree with you about the web browser. The email client point is ify. I still can't find anything better than pine or mutt for email but I'm sure that a GUI client would be good for the masses.
I will disaree with your point about a good office suite. If you define a "good" office suite by it's capibility and functionality then Linux has two; ApplixWare (which is fantastic) and StarOffice. The problem people have is they define a "good" office suite as being exactlly like MS Office (which is NOT all that great).
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Yes there is: Appgen. And you're right about the "huge cost to redo [them] for Linux" but the cost of maintianing them now is pretty close to the cost of converting them. TCO is so much better with Linux it's scary.
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Not disasterous here in the US and, for the most part, Europe. Very, very bad in the rest of the world. Bringing any funds or other resources that are outside the country is a good idea in that there is a high probability that communications with most of the outside world will be excedingly dificult, at best.
On the face if it this looks true. Excepr for the facts: The USA is leading all major countries in Y2K conversions of their banking systems. The USA is still unfinished to the point of there being 35% undone when Jan 1, 2000 comes around. Most other countries aren't even 35% started.
Assets that aren't securied in one of the relitively few good institutions are suseptable to, well, errors. We'll just have to wait and see what those errors will be.
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These are some that have been on the "keep" list. I get a ton of other mags but most fo them go directly from the mailbox to the library as donations. (Which are tax deductable).
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No, we are not going to see anything like the movie. At worst there will be things like rolling brown-outs and spotty system glitches. That's just in the US, though. Most of Europe is in the same situation but the rest of the world will see MASSIVE problems with power, communications, utilities, etc., systems. Nothing totally disastrous, just very annoying and inconvenient. (If you have money in any off-shore banks you might want to think about moving it.)
Anyway, it'll be an interesting time between Jan 1 and (probably) the end of March.
Oh, and for the record, we have 406 days as of 11/22/1999 'till the new millennium. That was probably the one good part of the movie, when the wife mentioned that the new millennium starts on Jan 1, 2001!
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In all fairness to Pvt. Snuffy, he did have his back turned when "Waco Bill" discharged the shotgun. When he turned back all he saw was his buddy going down.
OC, a real soldier wouldn't have turned his back in the first place...
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Personally I have been quite disappointed with KDE and GNOME. They are just to clumsy and bloated to be top quality desktop replacements for WinXX. Maybe in the near future they'll be viable but for now, XFce is the best there is.
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It's more of an obsession... :-)
I'd classify emacs as more of a religion than anything else. I mean, 20+ meg compressed package for a text editor?
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One point, though. The desktop is not the real battle ground. It is important but it's not the biggest place that Linux needs to win. Linux has to capture the middleware and server (I mean Enterprise server) market. Once that's done we will be able to make MS do what WE want. They will have to make their desktop products work or people will not be able to get anything done and they will start to switch to alturnatives like the Mac and BeOS and Linux and such.
At least that's my opinion.
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No problem. Get VMware and run Linux under NT (or run WinXX under Linux, as I do).
This LinuxLite may just be the next big thing - who, at this point, can really tell?
It's more than obvious that LinuxOne is, well, dubious at best. There are already a number of very good distros for the WinXX crowd. This one really does look like a "get ritch quick" scheme.
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There's precedent for this. M$ should get at least what IBM got in the 60's for this.
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I do agree that the *BSD way is a very good one, though.
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I would like to see a neurologival study done of techies/geeks/us to see if there are any common traits that we share which aren't in the so-called normal people. It'd be interesting.
Pardon the spelling and semi-incohearentnes of this post. I'm so doped up I can hardly see the keyboard. Hell, that'd be another good study: Physical injuries to techies and how they are treated. Mine involved large doses of a very strond pain killer, two types of muscle relaxents, two different anti-depressants and three or four other for someoreason I can't remember right now.
[Heh, I kinda prooved my original point in that I got totally off the original thread within my own message]
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OC, I don't wear hats. Never really did. Got 'em all lying around the house here somewhere. Well, except for the fedora. It's just to good a hat not to sit on top of my system.
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The one part that I am behind is the punishment for this crime. It should not be anything near what a "real" crimminal desirves. He should get a big-ass fine and maybe some minimal time in a minimum security place.
That's my opinion.
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I said NEW lines of code. This does not include any of the maintanence work being done on Y2K. This is only for brand new, never before seen projects.
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