Genocide and terrorism are crimes against humanity, at least in my book. And terrorism (waging war on civilians) is illegal in most of the world through the ratification of the Geneva convention. But then again, the US Congress never ratified the protocols of the Geneva convention relating to the protection of civilians. That's why it's bad to kill American civilians, while others are termed 'collateral damage'.:-(
Oh, don't get me wrong, this intervention was a good thing, and it should have happened much much earlier.. The difference is that it happened at the plea of the Bosnian government, and was not an invasion based on some fishy 'evidence' of weapons of mass destruction.
I agree. Shame on Australia for acting like a bitch and foregoing their own territorial independence for a pat on the head:(
But I'm worried if this disease spreads to other countries. It's a dangerous precedent. Until now, we knew the US could arrest you for no reason, as soon as you land (Sklyarov), but now they can do that even if you've never set foot in the US. Scary.
I thought he was in Australia when he committed the crimes?
It would be like meeting a person on a chat service and getting into internet-sex with this person. But then you find out that this person is 16 and in the US (illegal in the US).
Then you get extradited to the US and put into prison because of having virtual sex with the minor, even though you never left your armchair in Oz (or some other place).
Or saying "I think that the communist party is a bit bonkers, really" on a Chinese forum. Then, bang, the French police come and arrest you in Marseille and hand you over to China to serve your sentence near the North Korean border. Freedom of speech? Not on the internet, bud, you broke the Chinese law.
You are underestimating the role of the US in the world. Currently many Eastern European countries are being coerced into signing a non-extradition treaty with the US. The treaty goes like this:
You sign that you will never hand over an American citizen for whatever reason, or whatever crime to anyone other than the US. You, on the other hand, get to extradite your own citizens whenever anyone asks. Bosnia and Romania have already signed. Do you know why?
If Americans leave Bosnia, there will likely be another genocide just like during the 92-95 war.
No. There is enough evidence against Osama bin Laden to convict him. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a case in the US either. Countries like China and Russia and Belarus were openly sympathetic to Milosevic's genocide, and yet there he is in the Hague, likely to get a life sentence.
I think that the idea of a international tribunal is not popular in the US because it would not dish out a death sentence.
Here we go again. Al Qaida under bin Laden did not only attack Americans, or only targets in America. He, as a terrorists, affects every citizen of the world and requires an international tribunal to try him. Why wouldn't Sudan get to try him, as he committed a crime in Sudan first? You'd probably like that.
Milosevic did not get extradited to Croatia for his crimes, but handed over to an international tribunal. Those were the crimes that took place in Croatia and Bosnia, not in the Hague. Funny that, he'll serve at least as much time as a result of the Hague ruling than he would have in Croatia, probably more. It just that with crimes against humanity, such as genocide, ethnocide and terrorism, the whole humanity gets to have a say.
No, because he would not be tried for attacking the United States and he would not be judged by the American people - he would be tried for the murder of almost 3,000 people in the United States, and he would be judged by trained and experienced legal professionals just like every other case in this country.
And we all know that trained and experienced legal professionals don't exist anywhere but in the US. Why would you give such a case to a bunch of savages from overseas (like French) when you can have impartial American professionals who will deal out just punishment?
Obviously, as in any other case, the judge would have to have had no personal involvement in the attacks. It's a judge's duty by law to be impartial; now, not all of them are, but I'd trust a US federal judge any day of the week over any international court, which these days would almost necessarily be comprised primarily of countries not friendly to us and in many cases openly sympathetic to bin Laden's cause.
But maybe you can send missionaries to colonise us savages from abroad, give us TV and coca-cola, and we might learn to read. With time, we might have a competent judge or two ourselves. Please educate us, great white man, because we are not worthy!
By this logic, arguably the US wouldn't be able to try Osama Bin Laden if he was captured, despite the fact that he allegedly facilitated and conspired in the murder of 3000 people in the US. And the country whose laws he was under at the time wasn't particularly interested in trying him either.
Some of us feel that Osama should be tried by an international tribunal, just like Milosevic, for his crimes against humanity.
I like his logic. Bits are information. Otherwise, you'd be able to try every writer who has ever written a book, just because someone read this book in a country which doesn't agree with its views. Think Salman Rushdie and 'Satanic Verses'. Should he have been extradited to Iran because of the fatwa and sentenced to death?
Very good. So you'll be perfectly happy if the Chinese police come to arrest you for spreading reactionary propaganda? Or when a Saudi policemen come and take you in front of a Saudi court for selling alcohol to a Saudi citizen (accomplice in a crime).
Last time I checked, the DRI drivers run only on ancient hardware, and for anything from this century, you needed the binary drivers. Has this changed?
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You are both wrong. The danger Iraq posed to the US was/is the same to the danger China poses to the US. None.
Having said this, I personally believe the chances of an accident in a modern reactor are very low. If they could be sited in useless land (e.g. desert) as well, they benefits would outweigh the risks.
That would have to be the most coveted career choice for young and aspiring Chinese youth! Go work in a nuclear reactor. In the middle of a friggin desert where nobody wants to live!!!:-)
Besides, the deserts of China are mostly populated by ethnic minorities. Can you imagine the backlash if they stored them all there?
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While I prefer cleaner energy sources (like water) and am not a fan of nuclear reactors (I experienced some of the Chernobyl 'magic' cloud a couple of decades ago), what the hell is China supposed to do?
Not so long ago, Slashdot carried a story about the gigantic hydro power plant built by flooding the three gorges canyon, and everyone cried how bad that was, how heritage and natural beauty is being lost etc. But China is growing at an enormous pace and they have to provide electricity to their population.
China builds a dam, evil China. China builds a nuclear reactor, evil China. China builds 100 coal-burning black-smoking power plants... I don't even want to imagine the backlash.
Whatever your stance on publishing these kinds of lists, Indymedia is one of the few remaining grassroots information outlets left on the internet, free from corporate money, sleaziness and lies. It would be a shame to have them shut down, and would really represent the end of the Internet as we knew it.
Sure, there are Indymedia branches in many countries (mostly European) but if we get our own version of the Patriot act the way we're getting software patents and DMCA and other crappy corporate America anti-freedom laws, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with only CNN and other big-money propaganda machines.:-(
I definitely wouldn't count Indymedia as a pro-Democratic-party news outlet. They do prefer it to the Bush government, though, as does most of the free world.
I have most of my (legally purchased) CDs ripped into high quality MP3s for listening on my laptop. It's a lot more convenient than changing CDs all the time. It is also safe in the case my CDs get damaged, which has happened in the past.
Sure, I agree with you. But I'm not talking about burning CDs, ripping MP3s and doing wordprocessing from the command-line. All of that is easily and superbly handled by various Linux/Unix GUIs.
But I don't agree with the idea that if a user has to type a command once a year to do something out of the ordinary, that his penis will fall off:)
6. There's no Dreamweaver, but the latest Quanta versions allow you to make pages visually and generates the code for you. It's supposed to be quite good nowadays, especially for generating dynamic pages. If you're only interested in static stuff, the Mozilla fork NVU offers visual page creation too. 7. Nothing here yet 8. GAIM/Kopete are both multi-protocol clients which work quite well. If you're only into ICQ, LICQ is a superb client. 9. Eclipse? Don't know too much about Java so maybe I'm off. 10. Kuickshow for KDE is quite good at viewing many pages (no browser though). Konqueror offers previews. A combination of the two can work well for browsing stuff. Pixie and Pixie plus are the more muscle-bound ACDSee-workalikes. There are plenty more, this is something every programmer seems to write:) 11. Nokia communicator? I don't know, but there's software to interface with many mobile phones and PDAs. Perhaps there is a communicator plugin somewhere.
Of course Debian users will argue "well, just do an apt-get install foo", and Gentoo people will tell you to use emerge, but the point for Joe User is not to have to use the command line.
OK, I realise that the command line is not everyone's thang and I'm not arguing that Joe User wants to type apt-get install blahblah on some terminal, but it never ceases to amuse me how much the command line is villified. It's like the second coming of Satan or something. I could imagine many sentences similar to yours:
...but the point for Joe User is not to have to swim 2000 miles through a cold ocean, exposed to hungry sharks and harsh weather!
...but the point for Joe User is not to have his leg cut off and the wound rubbed with salt and then burnt while his children are watching!
...but the point for Joe User is not to have to eat his own parents after being marooned on a desert island full of cannibals!
But the Joe User could handle all of these, just PLEASE PLEASE don't make him type three letters in a console, it could make his fingers fall off and curse his soul to eternal suffering. Geeze, it's just a command line, not a world war.
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Genocide and terrorism are crimes against humanity, at least in my book. And terrorism (waging war on civilians) is illegal in most of the world through the ratification of the Geneva convention. But then again, the US Congress never ratified the protocols of the Geneva convention relating to the protection of civilians. That's why it's bad to kill American civilians, while others are termed 'collateral damage'. :-(
Oh, don't get me wrong, this intervention was a good thing, and it should have happened much much earlier.. The difference is that it happened at the plea of the Bosnian government, and was not an invasion based on some fishy 'evidence' of weapons of mass destruction.
You're right. And he should be tried IN AUSTRALIA. Because Australia respects the western copyright. Not extradited to the US.
I agree. Shame on Australia for acting like a bitch and foregoing their own territorial independence for a pat on the head :(
But I'm worried if this disease spreads to other countries. It's a dangerous precedent. Until now, we knew the US could arrest you for no reason, as soon as you land (Sklyarov), but now they can do that even if you've never set foot in the US. Scary.
I thought he was in Australia when he committed the crimes?
It would be like meeting a person on a chat service and getting into internet-sex with this person. But then you find out that this person is 16 and in the US (illegal in the US).
Then you get extradited to the US and put into prison because of having virtual sex with the minor, even though you never left your armchair in Oz (or some other place).
Or saying "I think that the communist party is a bit bonkers, really" on a Chinese forum. Then, bang, the French police come and arrest you in Marseille and hand you over to China to serve your sentence near the North Korean border. Freedom of speech? Not on the internet, bud, you broke the Chinese law.
Ridiculous.
You are underestimating the role of the US in the world. Currently many Eastern European countries are being coerced into signing a non-extradition treaty with the US. The treaty goes like this:
You sign that you will never hand over an American citizen for whatever reason, or whatever crime to anyone other than the US. You, on the other hand, get to extradite your own citizens whenever anyone asks. Bosnia and Romania have already signed. Do you know why?
If Americans leave Bosnia, there will likely be another genocide just like during the 92-95 war.
No. There is enough evidence against Osama bin Laden to convict him. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a case in the US either. Countries like China and Russia and Belarus were openly sympathetic to Milosevic's genocide, and yet there he is in the Hague, likely to get a life sentence.
I think that the idea of a international tribunal is not popular in the US because it would not dish out a death sentence.
Here we go again. Al Qaida under bin Laden did not only attack Americans, or only targets in America. He, as a terrorists, affects every citizen of the world and requires an international tribunal to try him. Why wouldn't Sudan get to try him, as he committed a crime in Sudan first? You'd probably like that.
Milosevic did not get extradited to Croatia for his crimes, but handed over to an international tribunal. Those were the crimes that took place in Croatia and Bosnia, not in the Hague. Funny that, he'll serve at least as much time as a result of the Hague ruling than he would have in Croatia, probably more. It just that with crimes against humanity, such as genocide, ethnocide and terrorism, the whole humanity gets to have a say.
No, because he would not be tried for attacking the United States and he would not be judged by the American people - he would be tried for the murder of almost 3,000 people in the United States, and he would be judged by trained and experienced legal professionals just like every other case in this country.
And we all know that trained and experienced legal professionals don't exist anywhere but in the US. Why would you give such a case to a bunch of savages from overseas (like French) when you can have impartial American professionals who will deal out just punishment?
Obviously, as in any other case, the judge would have to have had no personal involvement in the attacks. It's a judge's duty by law to be impartial; now, not all of them are, but I'd trust a US federal judge any day of the week over any international court, which these days would almost necessarily be comprised primarily of countries not friendly to us and in many cases openly sympathetic to bin Laden's cause.
But maybe you can send missionaries to colonise us savages from abroad, give us TV and coca-cola, and we might learn to read. With time, we might have a competent judge or two ourselves. Please educate us, great white man, because we are not worthy!
By this logic, arguably the US wouldn't be able to try Osama Bin Laden if he was captured, despite the fact that he allegedly facilitated and conspired in the murder of 3000 people in the US. And the country whose laws he was under at the time wasn't particularly interested in trying him either.
Some of us feel that Osama should be tried by an international tribunal, just like Milosevic, for his crimes against humanity.
I like his logic. Bits are information. Otherwise, you'd be able to try every writer who has ever written a book, just because someone read this book in a country which doesn't agree with its views. Think Salman Rushdie and 'Satanic Verses'. Should he have been extradited to Iran because of the fatwa and sentenced to death?
Very good. So you'll be perfectly happy if the Chinese police come to arrest you for spreading reactionary propaganda? Or when a Saudi policemen come and take you in front of a Saudi court for selling alcohol to a Saudi citizen (accomplice in a crime).
Last time I checked, the DRI drivers run only on ancient hardware, and for anything from this century, you needed the binary drivers. Has this changed?
You are both wrong. The danger Iraq posed to the US was/is the same to the danger China poses to the US. None.
Europe is quite divided. France and the UK are heavy on nuclear power, while the German population, for example, is vehemently opposed to it.
Let me guess, you're from the US, right?
Having said this, I personally believe the chances of an accident in a modern reactor are very low. If they could be sited in useless land (e.g. desert) as well, they benefits would outweigh the risks.
:-)
That would have to be the most coveted career choice for young and aspiring Chinese youth! Go work in a nuclear reactor. In the middle of a friggin desert where nobody wants to live!!!
Besides, the deserts of China are mostly populated by ethnic minorities. Can you imagine the backlash if they stored them all there?
While I prefer cleaner energy sources (like water) and am not a fan of nuclear reactors (I experienced some of the Chernobyl 'magic' cloud a couple of decades ago), what the hell is China supposed to do?
Not so long ago, Slashdot carried a story about the gigantic hydro power plant built by flooding the three gorges canyon, and everyone cried how bad that was, how heritage and natural beauty is being lost etc. But China is growing at an enormous pace and they have to provide electricity to their population.
China builds a dam, evil China. China builds a nuclear reactor, evil China. China builds 100 coal-burning black-smoking power plants... I don't even want to imagine the backlash.
Bad wording on my part. I meant corporate money, corporate sleaziness and corporate lies.
Sure, their info is not always accurate and, depending on your viewpoint, it might be sleazy. But it's grassroots, often written by eye-witnesses.
Whatever your stance on publishing these kinds of lists, Indymedia is one of the few remaining grassroots information outlets left on the internet, free from corporate money, sleaziness and lies. It would be a shame to have them shut down, and would really represent the end of the Internet as we knew it.
:-(
Sure, there are Indymedia branches in many countries (mostly European) but if we get our own version of the Patriot act the way we're getting software patents and DMCA and other crappy corporate America anti-freedom laws, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with only CNN and other big-money propaganda machines.
I definitely wouldn't count Indymedia as a pro-Democratic-party news outlet. They do prefer it to the Bush government, though, as does most of the free world.
I have most of my (legally purchased) CDs ripped into high quality MP3s for listening on my laptop. It's a lot more convenient than changing CDs all the time. It is also safe in the case my CDs get damaged, which has happened in the past.
Sure, I agree with you. But I'm not talking about burning CDs, ripping MP3s and doing wordprocessing from the command-line. All of that is easily and superbly handled by various Linux/Unix GUIs.
:)
But I don't agree with the idea that if a user has to type a command once a year to do something out of the ordinary, that his penis will fall off
6. There's no Dreamweaver, but the latest Quanta versions allow you to make pages visually and generates the code for you. It's supposed to be quite good nowadays, especially for generating dynamic pages. If you're only interested in static stuff, the Mozilla fork NVU offers visual page creation too. :)
7. Nothing here yet
8. GAIM/Kopete are both multi-protocol clients which work quite well. If you're only into ICQ, LICQ is a superb client.
9. Eclipse? Don't know too much about Java so maybe I'm off.
10. Kuickshow for KDE is quite good at viewing many pages (no browser though). Konqueror offers previews. A combination of the two can work well for browsing stuff. Pixie and Pixie plus are the more muscle-bound ACDSee-workalikes. There are plenty more, this is something every programmer seems to write
11. Nokia communicator? I don't know, but there's software to interface with many mobile phones and PDAs. Perhaps there is a communicator plugin somewhere.
HTH.
Of course Debian users will argue "well, just do an apt-get install foo", and Gentoo people will tell you to use emerge, but the point for Joe User is not to have to use the command line.
OK, I realise that the command line is not everyone's thang and I'm not arguing that Joe User wants to type apt-get install blahblah on some terminal, but it never ceases to amuse me how much the command line is villified. It's like the second coming of Satan or something. I could imagine many sentences similar to yours:
...but the point for Joe User is not to have to swim 2000 miles through a cold ocean, exposed to hungry sharks and harsh weather!
...but the point for Joe User is not to have his leg cut off and the wound rubbed with salt and then burnt while his children are watching!
...but the point for Joe User is not to have to eat his own parents after being marooned on a desert island full of cannibals!
But the Joe User could handle all of these, just PLEASE PLEASE don't make him type three letters in a console, it could make his fingers fall off and curse his soul to eternal suffering. Geeze, it's just a command line, not a world war.
Yup, you're right, got the two mixed up.
Hrm, I thought Quake4 was outsourced to Valve, but based on the Doom3 engine? Did that fall through? Got a link?