It makes sense, just not the way you think. The customer is hoping to not get a receipt, so they can get money. But in order to get the money, they have to point out they didn't get a receipt and probably call in a manager. So, the manager is "hiring" the customer, in Schneier's words, by enlisting him to start screaming whenever an employee doesn't hand over the receipt. It would have made more sense to say "The customer makes sure to keep an eye on whether or not he gets a receipt, and employee theft is reduced accordingly."
But they're consistent with OS X, now... just sort of an evolutionary step I guess. I still concur that they're ugly as shite within the context of OS 8/9
Hmmm... Well considering that every Mac made in what... A year at least, probably closer to two has had a Gee3 in it, that's only a "new" Mac relatively speaking.
In the end it's all personal judgement, but to be fair they're not *insane* hardware demands. Just a Mac that's, say, made in the last year.
Does this seem like a dumbass to anyone else?
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I mean, first the guy can't even properly spell OS 9 (there isn't a dash). Then he says that the attack can be easily perpetrated by people with root access to a large university system, as long as they can then erase all logs of their activity.
Yup. Sounds easy as pie to me.
Then there's some of his "proof", like the CERT email. From which he removes a paragraph with no indication what it used to say, and removes the PGP signature. It also merely talks about a completely different attack, and says "if we get time to look at this alleged OS 9 thing, we'll try."
Walt Disney World falls under the police jurisdiction of Orange County (FL) sheriff's department. They do have their own security, which has about as much clout as your local rent-a-cop. I don't know where this "judicial system" business comes from.
Take your paranoia outside, or at least do your homework
Worked hard? Who worked hard? What I remember from my history is, some old white dudes moved in to a resource-rich land, killed damn near everyone there, enslaved the population of another continent to work that land and since then has been moving on momentum.
Sure, some people worked hard. But to *expect* this great life is the problem with this article. This author expects that everything should be handed to him, that he shouldn't have to work hard to get it. Do you think the people that "worked hard" to bring us our American Dream loved their jobs? No. But now people want everything.
If you think we should all just sit on our asses and live off of the spoils of our ancestry, you've got to give me some of whatever you've been smoking.
I'm sick and tired of people whose lives center around computers, and themselves. Points:
1) Your dog lives a better and healthier life tha 90% of the people on this planet. Cry me a river for the woes of not having "fun" at work, when in most of the world people are shitting their intestines out because they can't get any food.
2) Stop using hyperbolic exaggeration. If I read one more fucking paranoid computer user talk about "big brother" reading their email, I'll flip. Big Brother is the one that shoots you if talk bad about the government in China, not the one that simply suggests that maybe you don't talk about felching in the Barney newsgroups.
3) I don't care which platform you like. Can we move on to something important?
In short, this article is whiny. I'd lay dollars to donuts that this author is a rich white male. Guess what? No matter what insignificant, lame job you take you're still going to be successful. You can afford a computer! You eat 500% more food than you need to survive! You're killing hundreds of people every day through your incessant consumption!
"We don't give damn if some shit-for-brains filtering software filters your site. We're not in the business of guaranteeing that everyone on earth can see your site. If somebody can't see it, tough shit."
They're saying "these are sites that *WE* think are offensive. If you choose to use our product, and abide by our opinions, they will be blocked, at your discretion to remove them if you want to"
That's because astroturfers don't exist. They are another meme which has been blown out of proportion by slashdotters to help them destroy any post they don't agree with w/o actually resorting to a Clear Logical Argument.
Other memes blown out of proportion by Slashdotters:
1) FUD (this is the big one) 2) the slashdot effect (every time someone's internet connection is slow, they post about this)
Flames != responds to. If nobody ever flamed a Linux article, that would be a Good Thing. If nobody ever replied calmly to a Linux article, pointing out factual error, that would be a Bad Thing.
To summarize: Good Thing: "Your article was incorrect in claiming that the Linux kernel does not have support for multiple processors, it has had this feature since version 2.2x. Thank you."
Bad Thing: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries. L1nU>>> MS will *always* try to take advantage of any situation. It doesn't matter what you write to them, they will try to gain something from it. >>>
So? Are we trying to produce good software, or give MS things to talk about?
Not all damaging zealotry is of the obscenity-laced kind. I find much of the "good" advocacy to also be pretty zealotous. For example, the fact that no article about Microsoft can be posted without immediately being called FUD, and no one can possibly agree with any of it, even if it does make some good points, because they are obviously astroturfing.
These memes - FUD and astroturfing - occur in probably every 2 out of 3 posting on/. and in numerous other places. They don't get anything done, and frankly they make people look bad. You heard the term FUD bandied about like it was gospel truth - but maybe some people actually *aren't* in the pay of Microsoft. Ever think about that? Maybe some people actually do like Windows. Doesn't mean they get a paycheck from BillG, doesn't mean they're trying to spread the wicked FUD (is there any more nebulous a term?)...
Many might reply to this saying that I am, in fact, a Microsoft mouthpiece. That is sad, and that is zealotry just as well as if you flame my mother.
> And also like the doctor who heals the patient, > the lawyer that provides legal advice, the > stock broker that provides financial advice, > the psychiatrist that provides therapy.
Explain to me how any of these, except perhaps the first, is a Good Thing?
> This has some disturbing connotations, if taken to its logical conclusion. How long before writing foul language to a newsgroup in America results in extradition to Australia, or posting dirty stories results in incarceration in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or elsewhere? >
A fairly long time, actually, because this "precedent" has nothing to do with that. If this bizarre scenario did come about, the US would probably fight extradition because of the First Amendment.
However, if you commit a *crime* against a person in Australia, knowing that they are in Australia, knowing that damage will be caused in Australia, then yes, you might be extradited. Australian foul language censorship laws do *not* count as crimes causing damage against a specific Australian, nor does it imply that you specifically made minimum contact with Australian jurisdiction.
I'd agree with that. But I think that many others wouldn't. The sentiment is that Linux (and by extension all free software) is "the next big thing" - anyone that doesn't think so, or anyone that uses "proprietary mindraping garbage" is just a tool of the establishment.
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It makes sense, just not the way you think. The customer is hoping to not get a receipt, so they can get money. But in order to get the money, they have to point out they didn't get a receipt and probably call in a manager. So, the manager is "hiring" the customer, in Schneier's words, by enlisting him to start screaming whenever an employee doesn't hand over the receipt. It would have made more sense to say "The customer makes sure to keep an eye on whether or not he gets a receipt, and employee theft is reduced accordingly."
I'm beginning to think it's a /. conspiracy!
But they're consistent with OS X, now... just sort of an evolutionary step I guess. I still concur that they're ugly as shite within the context of OS 8/9
They don't have to give credit to NeXT, since they *own* NeXT. You don't have to say "Oh, and kudos to us, btw" - it's kind of implicit. :)
r
I saw a little Movie on the Mac OS X site (Here) that seems to indicate that the little buttons gain icons when you pass the mouse over them.
ryan
Hmmm... Well considering that every Mac made in what... A year at least, probably closer to two has had a Gee3 in it, that's only a "new" Mac relatively speaking.
In the end it's all personal judgement, but to be fair they're not *insane* hardware demands. Just a Mac that's, say, made in the last year.
I mean, first the guy can't even properly spell OS 9 (there isn't a dash). Then he says that the attack can be easily perpetrated by people with root access to a large university system, as long as they can then erase all logs of their activity.
Yup. Sounds easy as pie to me.
Then there's some of his "proof", like the CERT email. From which he removes a paragraph with no indication what it used to say, and removes the PGP signature. It also merely talks about a completely different attack, and says "if we get time to look at this alleged OS 9 thing, we'll try."
Just smells fishy to me.
ryan
Walt Disney World falls under the police jurisdiction of Orange County (FL) sheriff's department. They do have their own security, which has about as much clout as your local rent-a-cop. I don't know where this "judicial system" business comes from.
Take your paranoia outside, or at least do your homework
ryan
Worked hard? Who worked hard? What I remember from my history is, some old white dudes moved in to a resource-rich land, killed damn near everyone there, enslaved the population of another continent to work that land and since then has been moving on momentum.
Sure, some people worked hard. But to *expect* this great life is the problem with this article. This author expects that everything should be handed to him, that he shouldn't have to work hard to get it. Do you think the people that "worked hard" to bring us our American Dream loved their jobs? No. But now people want everything.
If you think we should all just sit on our asses and live off of the spoils of our ancestry, you've got to give me some of whatever you've been smoking.
ryan
I'm sick and tired of people whose lives center around computers, and themselves. Points:
1) Your dog lives a better and healthier life tha 90% of the people on this planet. Cry me a river for the woes of not having "fun" at work, when in most of the world people are shitting their intestines out because they can't get any food.
2) Stop using hyperbolic exaggeration. If I read one more fucking paranoid computer user talk about "big brother" reading their email, I'll flip. Big Brother is the one that shoots you if talk bad about the government in China, not the one that simply suggests that maybe you don't talk about felching in the Barney newsgroups.
3) I don't care which platform you like. Can we move on to something important?
In short, this article is whiny. I'd lay dollars to donuts that this author is a rich white male. Guess what? No matter what insignificant, lame job you take you're still going to be successful. You can afford a computer! You eat 500% more food than you need to survive! You're killing hundreds of people every day through your incessant consumption!
Get over yourselves!
ryan
> Not to mention the fact that someone keeps killing /bin/cat.
Actually, I'm not sure whether mine's dead or alive. I'd better go check...
ryan
I'd just add a line to my Terms Of Service:
"We don't give damn if some shit-for-brains filtering software filters your site. We're not in the business of guaranteeing that everyone on earth can see your site. If somebody can't see it, tough shit."
ryan
They're saying "these are sites that *WE* think are offensive. If you choose to use our product, and abide by our opinions, they will be blocked, at your discretion to remove them if you want to"
That's a bit different.
ryan
That's because astroturfers don't exist. They are another meme which has been blown out of proportion by slashdotters to help them destroy any post they don't agree with w/o actually resorting to a Clear Logical Argument.
Other memes blown out of proportion by Slashdotters:
1) FUD (this is the big one)
2) the slashdot effect (every time someone's internet connection is slow, they post about this)
ryan
For me, sound doesn't work if I double-click BootX from the Finder, but does work if I choose Linux at system start up.
:)
Worth a try, no? And I'm the fourth running LinuxPPC.
ryan
>>>Scenerio: Nobody ever flames a Linux article.
Flames != responds to. If nobody ever flamed a Linux article, that would be a Good Thing. If nobody ever replied calmly to a Linux article, pointing out factual error, that would be a Bad Thing.
To summarize:
Good Thing: "Your article was incorrect in claiming that the Linux kernel does not have support for multiple processors, it has had this feature since version 2.2x. Thank you."
Bad Thing: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries. L1nU>>>
MS will *always* try to take advantage of any situation. It doesn't matter what you write to them, they will try to gain something from it.
>>>
So? Are we trying to produce good software, or give MS things to talk about?
ryan
Not all damaging zealotry is of the obscenity-laced kind. I find much of the "good" advocacy to also be pretty zealotous. For example, the fact that no article about Microsoft can be posted without immediately being called FUD, and no one can possibly agree with any of it, even if it does make some good points, because they are obviously astroturfing.
/. and in numerous other places. They don't get anything done, and frankly they make people look bad. You heard the term FUD bandied about like it was gospel truth - but maybe some people actually *aren't* in the pay of Microsoft. Ever think about that? Maybe some people actually do like Windows. Doesn't mean they get a paycheck from BillG, doesn't mean they're trying to spread the wicked FUD (is there any more nebulous a term?)...
These memes - FUD and astroturfing - occur in probably every 2 out of 3 posting on
Many might reply to this saying that I am, in fact, a Microsoft mouthpiece. That is sad, and that is zealotry just as well as if you flame my mother.
IMHO (and not Microsoft's)
ryan
> And also like the doctor who heals the patient,
> the lawyer that provides legal advice, the
> stock broker that provides financial advice,
> the psychiatrist that provides therapy.
Explain to me how any of these, except perhaps the first, is a Good Thing?
:)
Yep, forcing me to view it using a particular program on a particular platform - gotta love the OSS movement.
"We let you do whatever you want! - as long as it's Linux"
;)
I'm not sure where they are, but I'm sure they exist.
Slashdot != News for Linux Nerds. Stuff that matters.
Though it might seem that way at times.
So we have to discount any neat technology ideas, just because they might someday be used for advertising?
"Hello, nose? I really like you but I must spite the face. I know. It's not you, it's me"
ryan
You lose!
>
This has some disturbing connotations, if taken to its logical conclusion. How long before writing foul language to a newsgroup in America results in extradition to Australia, or posting dirty stories results in incarceration in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or elsewhere?
>
A fairly long time, actually, because this "precedent" has nothing to do with that. If this bizarre scenario did come about, the US would probably fight extradition because of the First Amendment.
However, if you commit a *crime* against a person in Australia, knowing that they are in Australia, knowing that damage will be caused in Australia, then yes, you might be extradited. Australian foul language censorship laws do *not* count as crimes causing damage against a specific Australian, nor does it imply that you specifically made minimum contact with Australian jurisdiction.
ryan
Hear hear!
I'd agree with that. But I think that many others wouldn't. The sentiment is that Linux (and by extension all free software) is "the next big thing" - anyone that doesn't think so, or anyone that uses "proprietary mindraping garbage" is just a tool of the establishment.
ryan