The only problem I have with mozilla mail is that there is no support for x509 certificates, which is why I was so happy with seeing the evolution Certificate option (which doesn't work). As soon as SOMEONE other than netscape does x509 certs, I'm ditching that program:)
I haven't run evolution since around.9 or so, so I'm very interested in how far they've come. Here's my experiences in short.
First of all, the link to the sources provided in the original announcement and the "latest release" page on ximian.com has the.10 release. After a bit of digging I found the.11.debs (whoho!) and supporting files that are a bit higher than my unstable system has. A bit of dpkg -i'ing and all installed.
First impression is that it looks great! Well, honestly my first impression was "fscking peice of.... " because the first thing it did was crash on me. I restarted and it was ok though:) It offered to import my netscape and/or pine settings (very cool) and started up the the welcome message.
I'm not going to bitch at UI problems here:) Things I don't like however are:
You have to go to your folders to get to imap mailboxes. When you click on something the mailboxes 'tab' immediately dissapears without what you clicked on highlighting, so you don't know if you mis-clicked or not (unless its showing all the time from the view menu).
I've been so looking forward to the nice integrated GUI gpg support. Sadly, my key id (which the interface for sucks btw, you are not given any idication what you're supposed to put in there or where to get the information from) is NOT SAVED when I apply the settings.
S/MIME certificate support. Oh god I thought I was going to blow a load when I saw this. I have been waiting for ages for this in something other than netscape mail (which sucks) and I was overjoyed to have this. Certificate ID? What is that? Where do I get it? The "digital ids" button does nothing. When I type in my name (no clue what else to do) it isn't saved either, so I guess it doesn't matter.
When I click on tasks I get asked to pick a time zone. When I click on calendar I get asked to pick a time zone. Shouldn't they be able to share information?
Even after picking the time zone it doesn't appear in the tools-> settings menu
Under tasks tools->tasks preferences doesn't do anything
At one point I got a 0x0 window that I couldn't get rid of. It didn't dissapear when I shut down evolution and I ended up having to killall evolution-mail to get rid of it
The "Define Views" is a neat idea, but very buggy.
If the main component crashes (which it did thanks to the above item about defining views) wouldn't it be a good idea to give the user the option to restart it?
Threaded message list option is not saved
All in all a bit dissapointing, especially for the pgp and s/mime options. Also absent were smtp/imap/pop3 over ssl (which I thought were said to be there, but maybe not). These things would be good to have, and would (IMHO) show the mark of a truely mature and advanced mail client (and would make me an instant believer!
So conclusion, much better, and probably great for day to day mail, but still has a ways to go before I'll switch. I'm going to go and file some bugs now, and maybe build from source in case the.debs have features turned off or something.
I can see the latest snapshots which are 0.10+cvsxxxx, but well, where do I download this? I run a debian system without ximian and would like to download via deb (the old spidermonkey.* sources.list is gone) without having to depend on all the ximian stuff and replace half my libs.
And I'm sure that'll get worked out relatively soon, but in the interm, where is the source!?:)
Everything has context yes, but that doesn't mean that it can't be made to make more sense. "Terminal emulator program" means NOTHING to the "average" user, but "Shell" "Console" or "GNOME Prompt" would. They wouldn't make sense to someone who is completely clueless, but I know people who are clued as far as computers go, but are not advanced power users. If these people are the ones that GNOME is going after, they're going to have to start actually implementing some of these suggested changes.
Linux will probably NEVER get the drooling idiots, but do we want them? I think the goal would be the people who know enough to be pissed when Word crashes for the 80th time, or that know enough to know that MS Sucks, but not enough to leave it.
Right, so, who wants to build a space station with me and leave this BS behind? I'll bring cookies.
I'm right behind you. I've been wanting to leave when I heard about the RIAA (or whoever it was) making resturants pay to play the radio (rebroadcasting copyrighted music without consent or some shit like that).
Isn't that exactly what almost happened a while back with the HackSDMI (or whatever it was) contest? They claim it's secure, someone says "no it's not!" and tries to publish a paper proving it's not, and gets the slapdown from lawyers?
Man, sometimes I want to go live in a cave somewhere....
This is true, but the fact that mp3 is the most common format out there (and the one used by the car mp3-cd player) I use it anyway. I'd like to convert all my music to vorbis, but ATM it's sort of pointless. I have considered it though:)
It still doesn't matter to me. If I could listen to WMA on my linux system(s) I would. If I could use WMA on my car mp3-cd player, I would.
I can't though, so it doesn't matter. I'm not a musician by any means, nor can I detect the difference between 160 and 192 mp3 compression. So I'll continue using my inferior, yet cross platform, non-license restricted, used-everwhere, mp3 format.
Do the artists believe this or do the/record companies/ believe this? Personally I'd guess that the artists don't fully understand the technology or the potential of the technology. If you went and asked the artists, after explaining the main points about how try-before-you-buy works, how people buy cds based on napster downloads (yes, I have), and how this is a way to get their music out to billions of people, I think they might say different things.
Chances are they are informed by their lables that napster is evil, is stealing money from them (I'm sure that the label glosses over the bit where they get the lions share of the artists income) and then of course they come out with "I want my stuff off napster!"
This is expected from the boy bands, britney spears and the like who aren't really artists (IMHO) and who are just there to make money, but the real artists out there, who actually care about their music might sing a different tune (pardon the pun) when they see the potential for distribution.
A while back there was a story on pirating in china and how there they *want* their music to be pirated, as it leads to more sales, more fans, and more concert goers (where they make the bulk of their money.
l33t h4xx0r: "What is this VAX doing on a cable modem?"
Do you really think a 31337 h4x0r knows what a VAX is?
Aside: I learned ASM on a vax, and on man did it kick ass over PC ASM... memory to memory copies (or was it register to register?), no 640k limit to mess with, no weird offsets because Bill thought it was a good idea....
This is good news. I'm not a K user, but this still affects the entire linux community, and I think it's a good thing. Inter-operability with other OSs and applications is what makes linux immediately superior to other OSs:)
The problem with supporting these "windows only" plugins is that web developers are STILL filtering their sites based on OS and browser string. Even though my browser (galeon) is perfectly able to display http://www.shockwave.com, I go there and get a "platform not supported" message for EVERY FSCKING PAGE on their site. Someone in the office managed to get in with either Konq or Opera by changing the os and browser string to windows/ie5, but this is not a valid option in my opinion.
Even if galeon or konq suddenly had the ability to view shockwave files, they would still not be allowed into the site, as on every page there is a browser/os check. Now I know this is not true for all sites, or perhaps even a majority of them, but it is something that affects non-windows and non-IE users every day, and I have no idea how to fix it.
Web designers have it in their ability without doing much. A friend of mine supports all OSs and browsers on his site even though it has heavy use of CSS and all the "new" tricks. He could write a huge amount of java script and multiple pages to display different things based on the browser, but he simply supports HTML4 (which is fine for ie, mozilla, galeon, ns6, etc) and strips all CSS for others. So while netscape 4.x doesn't look as pretty, the information is all there.
Even though I give him shit for not taking the time to support a still prominent browser (ns 4.x), I applaud him for not putting a big "you suck, get a new browser and use windows and ie" sign up for all non ie5 users.
I guess the trick is getting the web developers the information that non IE browsers DO support the latest standards and look just dandy.
"Any suggestion that we had hidden motives in the design of Windows XP is untrue."
Erhmm... gee, you've just been found guilty of being a monopoly. Everyone has known you're a monopoly for the last 7 years or so. Suddenly in your new OS it's much easier for people to use your products instead of someone (Kodak) elses, AND it's part of a business plan that's going to give you constant revenue by charging per picture processed through said software?
Personally I think it's a memory problem, the extra memory needed (under windows, I've never seen this under linux netscape/mozilla/galeon) is just too much. When this happens with IE you'll notice other neat things, like icons not rendering in other apps, being unable to open up images/documents, and all sorts of other fun stuff.
Guess the linux memory model works a little better eh Bill?:)
Now, Linux is a great operating system in general, and I love the apt-get part of Debian in particular, but why does it have to be on the command line? I hardly think that the average person, say, my grandfather, for example, would be able to deal with learning all the arcane aspects of a command line utility. To most, it is just too frustrating, poorly documented, and complicated. What we really need in a modern operating system is a package manager that the average Joe or my grandfather could use.
This doesn't have anything to do with this I don't think. This is something that probably belongs on an apt list somewhere. I personally like the apt-get command line method, and never use the apt-get-gtk and other graphical wrappers. Besides, the "graphical" way of doing this is called dselect:)
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Windows Update yet? Not only is it a fully graphical tool, but it automatically detects what software your computer needs, without sending that information to a third party, and then gives you an easy install wizard to update everything.
See above comment about dselect. Same deal, no info sent to anyone, and while the install "wizard" isn't as pretty looking, it does the job.
Personally, I think it is a far superior tool to apt-get, because it can also make recommendations on what kind of cool new screen saver you might want to check out, or update DirectX to improve your gaming framerates and such. I think this goes back to the "apt-get is not all there is to debian packaging" thread above. apt-get is just a way of interacting with dpkg, and dselect is just a way of interacting with apt-get and dpkg. Your arguments against apt-get are perfectly valid, but they don't hold water when used against the whole packaging management package (if you'll pardon the pun) of apt-get, dpkg, and dselect (and deity, aptitude, apt-get-gtk, etc).
Yup. It's great if you want to quickly install something you know. If I want to browse the newest packages, see what package x recommends installing as well (ie: mozilla-browser recommends mozilla-psm and mozilla-mailnews) I use dselect.
apt-get is great if you want to quickly install apache for some testing. 'apt-get install apache' [click, wirr] done. Also, if you get to know the package naming formats you can guess that to install mod_perl you'd do an 'apt-get install libapache-mod-perl', or libapache-mod-ssl or whatever.
I personally prefer dselect for browsing, and apt-get for quick and easy.
IMHO they are doing a Xerox PARC, snatching defeat from the hands of victory. They had millions of people on their servers, downloading songs, and due to their (and the RIAAs) stupidity and incompetance, now they have a few thousand, and very few songs. Bands in China LOVE napster, and encouraging pirating of songs, except over there they call it "sharing". See, they make money off of concerts, and the more people who listen to your music, the more people will like you. If I'm forced to pay $20 for something I may or may not like, chances are I'm not going to put out the money.
First of all, I don't think this is (or it shouldn't be) a Konq vs Galeon vs Mozilla bashing session. The article was just about galeon:)
However, as a galeon user I feel the need to respond to a couple of points:
While Konq itself is small, it brings with it all of KDE. If you are not in the KDE environment, it seems to take a lot longer than 2 seconds to start up (IIRC) because of all the K* services that it has to run to get itself bootstrapped.
I'm not sure how galeon deals with this (as it probably does a bit of the same in looking for/starting up gnome* services like oafd, etc. However, I don't think it's as bad. Granted, I'm not really up on that whole thing... it works and I use it:)
Having all the floppy://, audiocd:// etc etc is great, however, all I want is a web browser! Opening up pdfs maybe (as they are common on the web these days), but other than that I don't care to open up word docs (having kword and it's libraries installed significantly bloats the Konq install size I think:) I just want to browse the web! Adding all the protocol support is cool for a desktop environment (what konq does in file browser mode) but as far as a browser, it's bloat IMHO.
Now that all said, the cruft that is needed to run konq in the KDE and QT libs is equalled in the gtk/gnome libs that galeon requires. Of course, one is designed for gnome, and one is designed for kde, and they work better in their respective environments so.....:)
Guess it goes back to the "which tool is better for the job" philosophy eh?
This is my only bitch about galeon (I have it as my primary browser, and have since I could use cookies and https with it). Because of the way that the gtkmozembed widget is embedded it has to start up the rendering engine of mozilla first (if you look at the output of a galeon start up it's quite similar to that of mozilla), which is quite hefty. However, the browser is quite snappy. Of course, a k7-1G + 256mb ram helps as well:)
Hopefully someday the embedded widget will become lighter weight and easier to integrate into things (not that chris blizzard hasn't done an awsome job already of course!).
Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue
on
Galeon At A Glance
·
· Score: 1
I'm quite sure this will be an option. If you're very concerned you should probably check the gtk-2* and gtk-devel lists to see if the issue has come up yet.
So far we've heard Microsoft describe Linux and the GPL as a cancer, Pac Man, and numerous other things. But while these comparisons may have some sort of PR or "scare" value, they only serve to mislead the public.
Of course they are are PR to scare people. How else can you defend a company in an indefensable position?:) As with my other comment later on, this is how they are attacking the Linux threat, just like they said they would in the Halloween documents.
Personally I've known this was coming for a while, pretty much ever since the original Halloween document. Microsoft is fighting back, not fairly (in some senses) but in a manner that should be expected. They are not attacking linux as not superior software, but attacking the principles behind Linux. The few details about how they got it wrong, well, no ones perfect are they?
Microsoft is doing what they do best, building Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in the minds of those who listen to them, in this case those targetted would be businesses I think. Anyone who thinks they can use linux to build a business on top of, or use linux in anyway, must be "infected" with the doubt that maybe, just maybe, by using linux in some way (or any open source software) they will not be able to make any money without giving all their IP out for free.
Now we all know this is bullshit. Opensource != GPL, Linux Kernel != GPL, GPL != give everything for free, we (for varying values of "we") know this already. My company uses linux to build embedded firewall devices. The ability to do something in a stable OS, without paying $xxx for WinCE licensing gives us huge advantages in that our core OS is free. We then build on that. Our IP is not so much in the OS and the programs that we wrote to run on it (which are not all GPL/LGPL I don't think, or are under a different license), but in the propriatory tool we use to configure this system.
So I say let MS spread their FUD, and mix up the way that linux and oss/gpl are presented to the world, I'm waiting for the next stage after "then they fight you" which is of course "and then you win".
Slashdot Mirror
The only problem I have with mozilla mail is that there is no support for x509 certificates, which is why I was so happy with seeing the evolution Certificate option (which doesn't work). As soon as SOMEONE other than netscape does x509 certs, I'm ditching that program :)
First of all, the link to the sources provided in the original announcement and the "latest release" page on ximian.com has the
First impression is that it looks great! Well, honestly my first impression was "fscking peice of
I'm not going to bitch at UI problems here
You have to go to your folders to get to imap mailboxes. When you click on something the mailboxes 'tab' immediately dissapears without what you clicked on highlighting, so you don't know if you mis-clicked or not (unless its showing all the time from the view menu).
I've been so looking forward to the nice integrated GUI gpg support. Sadly, my key id (which the interface for sucks btw, you are not given any idication what you're supposed to put in there or where to get the information from) is NOT SAVED when I apply the settings.
S/MIME certificate support. Oh god I thought I was going to blow a load when I saw this. I have been waiting for ages for this in something other than netscape mail (which sucks) and I was overjoyed to have this. Certificate ID? What is that? Where do I get it? The "digital ids" button does nothing. When I type in my name (no clue what else to do) it isn't saved either, so I guess it doesn't matter.
When I click on tasks I get asked to pick a time zone. When I click on calendar I get asked to pick a time zone. Shouldn't they be able to share information?
Even after picking the time zone it doesn't appear in the tools-> settings menu
Under tasks tools->tasks preferences doesn't do anything
At one point I got a 0x0 window that I couldn't get rid of. It didn't dissapear when I shut down evolution and I ended up having to killall evolution-mail to get rid of it
The "Define Views" is a neat idea, but very buggy.
If the main component crashes (which it did thanks to the above item about defining views) wouldn't it be a good idea to give the user the option to restart it?
Threaded message list option is not saved
.debs have features turned off or something.
All in all a bit dissapointing, especially for the pgp and s/mime options. Also absent were smtp/imap/pop3 over ssl (which I thought were said to be there, but maybe not). These things would be good to have, and would (IMHO) show the mark of a truely mature and advanced mail client (and would make me an instant believer!
So conclusion, much better, and probably great for day to day mail, but still has a ways to go before I'll switch. I'm going to go and file some bugs now, and maybe build from source in case the
Erhmm... maybe it's just me, but when I go to ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/unstable/sources/evo lution I see LATEST-IS-0.10.
:)
I can see the latest snapshots which are 0.10+cvsxxxx, but well, where do I download this? I run a debian system without ximian and would like to download via deb (the old spidermonkey.* sources.list is gone) without having to depend on all the ximian stuff and replace half my libs.
And I'm sure that'll get worked out relatively soon, but in the interm, where is the source!?
Everything has context yes, but that doesn't mean that it can't be made to make more sense. "Terminal emulator program" means NOTHING to the "average" user, but "Shell" "Console" or "GNOME Prompt" would. They wouldn't make sense to someone who is completely clueless, but I know people who are clued as far as computers go, but are not advanced power users. If these people are the ones that GNOME is going after, they're going to have to start actually implementing some of these suggested changes.
Linux will probably NEVER get the drooling idiots, but do we want them? I think the goal would be the people who know enough to be pissed when Word crashes for the 80th time, or that know enough to know that MS Sucks, but not enough to leave it.
Cool! Thanks for the info. A grep through my own logs showed a lot of similar traffic. Time to start the whois' on those ips!
Right, so, who wants to build a space station with me and leave this BS behind? I'll bring cookies.
I'm right behind you. I've been wanting to leave when I heard about the RIAA (or whoever it was) making resturants pay to play the radio (rebroadcasting copyrighted music without consent or some shit like that).
Isn't that exactly what almost happened a while back with the HackSDMI (or whatever it was) contest? They claim it's secure, someone says "no it's not!" and tries to publish a paper proving it's not, and gets the slapdown from lawyers?
Man, sometimes I want to go live in a cave somewhere....
This is true, but the fact that mp3 is the most common format out there (and the one used by the car mp3-cd player) I use it anyway. I'd like to convert all my music to vorbis, but ATM it's sort of pointless. I have considered it though :)
This is true. I just finished ripping all my Blue Rodeo disks onto a "definitive blue rodeo collection" to be played when I'm in a folky sorta mood.
:)
Maybe I should have written it as "If I could use WMA without all the license BS on my car mp3-cd player I would"
It still doesn't matter to me. If I could listen to WMA on my linux system(s) I would. If I could use WMA on my car mp3-cd player, I would.
I can't though, so it doesn't matter. I'm not a musician by any means, nor can I detect the difference between 160 and 192 mp3 compression. So I'll continue using my inferior, yet cross platform, non-license restricted, used-everwhere, mp3 format.
Do the artists believe this or do the /record companies/ believe this? Personally I'd guess that the artists don't fully understand the technology or the potential of the technology. If you went and asked the artists, after explaining the main points about how try-before-you-buy works, how people buy cds based on napster downloads (yes, I have), and how this is a way to get their music out to billions of people, I think they might say different things.
Chances are they are informed by their lables that napster is evil, is stealing money from them (I'm sure that the label glosses over the bit where they get the lions share of the artists income) and then of course they come out with "I want my stuff off napster!"
This is expected from the boy bands, britney spears and the like who aren't really artists (IMHO) and who are just there to make money, but the real artists out there, who actually care about their music might sing a different tune (pardon the pun) when they see the potential for distribution.
A while back there was a story on pirating in china and how there they *want* their music to be pirated, as it leads to more sales, more fans, and more concert goers (where they make the bulk of their money.
l33t h4xx0r: "What is this VAX doing on a cable modem?"
Do you really think a 31337 h4x0r knows what a VAX is?
Aside: I learned ASM on a vax, and on man did it kick ass over PC ASM... memory to memory copies (or was it register to register?), no 640k limit to mess with, no weird offsets because Bill thought it was a good idea....
This is good news. I'm not a K user, but this still affects the entire linux community, and I think it's a good thing. Inter-operability with other OSs and applications is what makes linux immediately superior to other OSs :)
:)
The problem with supporting these "windows only" plugins is that web developers are STILL filtering their sites based on OS and browser string. Even though my browser (galeon) is perfectly able to display http://www.shockwave.com, I go there and get a "platform not supported" message for EVERY FSCKING PAGE on their site. Someone in the office managed to get in with either Konq or Opera by changing the os and browser string to windows/ie5, but this is not a valid option in my opinion.
Even if galeon or konq suddenly had the ability to view shockwave files, they would still not be allowed into the site, as on every page there is a browser/os check. Now I know this is not true for all sites, or perhaps even a majority of them, but it is something that affects non-windows and non-IE users every day, and I have no idea how to fix it.
Web designers have it in their ability without doing much. A friend of mine supports all OSs and browsers on his site even though it has heavy use of CSS and all the "new" tricks. He could write a huge amount of java script and multiple pages to display different things based on the browser, but he simply supports HTML4 (which is fine for ie, mozilla, galeon, ns6, etc) and strips all CSS for others. So while netscape 4.x doesn't look as pretty, the information is all there.
Even though I give him shit for not taking the time to support a still prominent browser (ns 4.x), I applaud him for not putting a big "you suck, get a new browser and use windows and ie" sign up for all non ie5 users.
I guess the trick is getting the web developers the information that non IE browsers DO support the latest standards and look just dandy.
Oh, and shockwave.com... you suck
So you're saying you need a ECM BUSTA BUSTA BUSTA!!!
.. the quote from MS saying:
"Any suggestion that we had hidden motives in the design of Windows XP is untrue."
Erhmm... gee, you've just been found guilty of being a monopoly. Everyone has known you're a monopoly for the last 7 years or so. Suddenly in your new OS it's much easier for people to use your products instead of someone (Kodak) elses, AND it's part of a business plan that's going to give you constant revenue by charging per picture processed through said software?
Gee, I wonder if I believe them?
Personally I think it's a memory problem, the extra memory needed (under windows, I've never seen this under linux netscape/mozilla/galeon) is just too much. When this happens with IE you'll notice other neat things, like icons not rendering in other apps, being unable to open up images/documents, and all sorts of other fun stuff.
:)
Guess the linux memory model works a little better eh Bill?
Now, Linux is a great operating system in general, and I love the apt-get part of Debian in particular, but why does it have to be on the command line? I hardly think that the average person, say, my grandfather, for example, would be able to deal with learning all the arcane aspects of a command line utility. To most, it is just too frustrating, poorly documented, and complicated. What we really need in a modern operating system is a package manager that the average Joe or my grandfather could use.
:)
This doesn't have anything to do with this I don't think. This is something that probably belongs on an apt list somewhere. I personally like the apt-get command line method, and never use the apt-get-gtk and other graphical wrappers. Besides, the "graphical" way of doing this is called dselect
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Windows Update yet? Not only is it a fully graphical tool, but it automatically detects what software your computer needs, without sending that information to a third party, and then gives you an easy install wizard to update everything.
See above comment about dselect. Same deal, no info sent to anyone, and while the install "wizard" isn't as pretty looking, it does the job.
Personally, I think it is a far superior tool to apt-get, because it can also make recommendations on what kind of cool new screen saver you might want to check out, or update DirectX to improve your gaming framerates and such.
I think this goes back to the "apt-get is not all there is to debian packaging" thread above. apt-get is just a way of interacting with dpkg, and dselect is just a way of interacting with apt-get and dpkg. Your arguments against apt-get are perfectly valid, but they don't hold water when used against the whole packaging management package (if you'll pardon the pun) of apt-get, dpkg, and dselect (and deity, aptitude, apt-get-gtk, etc).
Yup. It's great if you want to quickly install something you know. If I want to browse the newest packages, see what package x recommends installing as well (ie: mozilla-browser recommends mozilla-psm and mozilla-mailnews) I use dselect.
apt-get is great if you want to quickly install apache for some testing. 'apt-get install apache' [click, wirr] done. Also, if you get to know the package naming formats you can guess that to install mod_perl you'd do an 'apt-get install libapache-mod-perl', or libapache-mod-ssl or whatever.
I personally prefer dselect for browsing, and apt-get for quick and easy.
IMHO they are doing a Xerox PARC, snatching defeat from the hands of victory. They had millions of people on their servers, downloading songs, and due to their (and the RIAAs) stupidity and incompetance, now they have a few thousand, and very few songs. Bands in China LOVE napster, and encouraging pirating of songs, except over there they call it "sharing". See, they make money off of concerts, and the more people who listen to your music, the more people will like you. If I'm forced to pay $20 for something I may or may not like, chances are I'm not going to put out the money.
First of all, I don't think this is (or it shouldn't be) a Konq vs Galeon vs Mozilla bashing session. The article was just about galeon :)
:)
:) I just want to browse the web! Adding all the protocol support is cool for a desktop environment (what konq does in file browser mode) but as far as a browser, it's bloat IMHO.
..... :)
However, as a galeon user I feel the need to respond to a couple of points:
While Konq itself is small, it brings with it all of KDE. If you are not in the KDE environment, it seems to take a lot longer than 2 seconds to start up (IIRC) because of all the K* services that it has to run to get itself bootstrapped.
I'm not sure how galeon deals with this (as it probably does a bit of the same in looking for/starting up gnome* services like oafd, etc. However, I don't think it's as bad. Granted, I'm not really up on that whole thing... it works and I use it
Having all the floppy://, audiocd:// etc etc is great, however, all I want is a web browser! Opening up pdfs maybe (as they are common on the web these days), but other than that I don't care to open up word docs (having kword and it's libraries installed significantly bloats the Konq install size I think
Now that all said, the cruft that is needed to run konq in the KDE and QT libs is equalled in the gtk/gnome libs that galeon requires. Of course, one is designed for gnome, and one is designed for kde, and they work better in their respective environments so
Guess it goes back to the "which tool is better for the job" philosophy eh?
This is my only bitch about galeon (I have it as my primary browser, and have since I could use cookies and https with it). Because of the way that the gtkmozembed widget is embedded it has to start up the rendering engine of mozilla first (if you look at the output of a galeon start up it's quite similar to that of mozilla), which is quite hefty. However, the browser is quite snappy. Of course, a k7-1G + 256mb ram helps as well :)
Hopefully someday the embedded widget will become lighter weight and easier to integrate into things (not that chris blizzard hasn't done an awsome job already of course!).
I'm quite sure this will be an option. If you're very concerned you should probably check the gtk-2* and gtk-devel lists to see if the issue has come up yet.
Now if only I could read my verisign x509 encrypted mail I could ditch netscape COMPLETELY!
So far we've heard Microsoft describe Linux and the GPL as a cancer, Pac Man, and numerous other things. But while these comparisons may have some sort of PR or "scare" value, they only serve to mislead the public.
:) As with my other comment later on, this is how they are attacking the Linux threat, just like they said they would in the Halloween documents.
Of course they are are PR to scare people. How else can you defend a company in an indefensable position?
This is the "then they fight you" stage I think.
Personally I've known this was coming for a while, pretty much ever since the original Halloween document. Microsoft is fighting back, not fairly (in some senses) but in a manner that should be expected. They are not attacking linux as not superior software, but attacking the principles behind Linux. The few details about how they got it wrong, well, no ones perfect are they?
Microsoft is doing what they do best, building Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in the minds of those who listen to them, in this case those targetted would be businesses I think. Anyone who thinks they can use linux to build a business on top of, or use linux in anyway, must be "infected" with the doubt that maybe, just maybe, by using linux in some way (or any open source software) they will not be able to make any money without giving all their IP out for free.
Now we all know this is bullshit. Opensource != GPL, Linux Kernel != GPL, GPL != give everything for free, we (for varying values of "we") know this already. My company uses linux to build embedded firewall devices. The ability to do something in a stable OS, without paying $xxx for WinCE licensing gives us huge advantages in that our core OS is free. We then build on that. Our IP is not so much in the OS and the programs that we wrote to run on it (which are not all GPL/LGPL I don't think, or are under a different license), but in the propriatory tool we use to configure this system.
So I say let MS spread their FUD, and mix up the way that linux and oss/gpl are presented to the world, I'm waiting for the next stage after "then they fight you" which is of course "and then you win".