Of course it is not. But it is not a vital feature either. I even doubt it have a real help in parenting.
Maybe not a vital feature, but a good one (IMHO). IANAP either, but I can definately agree that while yes, you should talk to your children and tell them what is right, wrong, acceptable and not, you may not want to leave the (perverbial) playboy channel unlocked. This doesn't have to deal with violent video games either, what about pornographic (or explicit, like Duke3d (maybe a stretch, but you get what I'm talking about)) games? Yes, there is a time and place to talk to your children about sex, girls and boys and why they are different, but that doesnt' mean I want my 5 year old son/daughter accidently turning on my xbox and starting up "Hot Redhead Nurse Strip Poker" which I left in the night before.
Don't forget, this has been done in a variety of ways before, to some degree anyway. The PS2 we have at work had a code to lock out DVDs if we wanted to, and games from as far back as... erhm... duke3d anyway, have had a "parental lock" feature, and no one complained. Non-parents ignored it, parents (probably) used it, and everyone was happy. MS has just taken the next step and put it on the console level, like the v-chip.
Whether this feature is used or not is going to be the thing, but not I hope, whether it was a good idea.
Yes, I agree, PLEASE DON'T SUCK! I've got all the guys (and gals) from work who are interested in this meeting in the recroom to watch it all on the bigscreen projector... Just hope that they (and I) aren't dissappointed.
This is great that the record labels get all that money. Do you *really* think that all the artists out there are going to get a nice fat raise after this? I think not. The RIAA lines their pockets, feels happy to have saved the world for democracy (and capitalism).
I'd be much happier paying my $5.00 (or whatever my piece of the $1B pie is) to a fund which then divides it up correctly between the artists on napster (by percentage or whatever) and then sends the $ directly to them (ie: straight to Courtney Love, NOT her label). I'd like to see how a suggestion like that flies to the record companies who are trying to "protect the artists".
What about the coders over at slashcode? I have no clue how many of them there are though:)
But yea, you're right, not a lot of overhead, comparitely. A friend of mine just got laid off from their.com, along with a bunch of their staff... course, they were stupid (and typical) in getting a bunch of staff, an office, etc, all with 0 tangible product.
Slashdot is owned by anover^Wva^Wwhoever, and it's owners (*wave* to taco and hemos) are paid from the.com pool of ca$h that have been sustaining a lot of companies for a while now.
So what happens when that money runs out? Will/. still exists? Maybe this is a better question for Ask Slashdot, but I figure I'd post it here. If VA is laying off 25%, then the demise of the.coms is coming closer to home, and I'm wondering how this will affect/. and it's users.
Will you guys (taco, hemos, cowboyneil, etc) continue on and try to scrape by with what you can get from t-shirts and banner ads, or will you go back to having a "real job" and doing/. on the side like in the old days? Will/. be immune to the.com deaths? I would have thought so, simply because of it's popularity, but if VA is cutting back, the the possibility exists. I wonder if the/. owners have thought that far ahead:)
True, however don't forget there is also the "zen" of programming that is needed. Someone who is used to writing servers (or console, non-gui apps) can't just jump into gtk or mfc because it's a different way of thinking. Event queues and callbacks just aren't used (as much in my experience) in your standard server which does "while(1){recieve_packet(); switch(packet); do_stuff_with(packet); }"
There's a lot in palm programming that, while easy for those familiar with the realm, would be very confusing to someone who has written a few apps.
However, as the author says, a familar platform will let you write in whatever you're most familar with, be it bash, perl, or gtk:)
Thank $DEITY my upgrade subscription process involves "apt-get upgrade && apt-get upgrade":) (or rpm equiv for the redhat people out there).
This is another reason I'm here with linux. Because linux is by users for users, and because of that there is none of this pesky money stuff to worry about:)
Yes, why should MS loose out on those million$ when they can give the government proprietory, closed, non-free software. Security audits? Nah, you don't need to do that. If you do though, you can get access to the source code at the special gov't rate of $100,000 a library.
This is especially interesting as there has been interested expressed by gov'ts (china among others) in open source software.
When is the last time you got any support from M$?
About 3 or 4 years ago, when I was playing around with Visual C++ 4 and had a question that wasn't answered in the FAQ, docs, etc. So I call up the support number. They tell me (after a bunch of wading thought phone systems and waiting on hold) that I should call the non-1800 number. OK I figured, why not, a quick call may cost a couple of buck, but it'll answer my question, so why not.
So I waded through more phone systems, and waited on hold some more. When I finally got to talk to a real person, they asked me all sorts of information. Name, address, phone number, zip/postal code, version, place of purchase, etc etc. Finally I got around to telling her my serial number.
"Sir, this serial number is registered to a canadian location."
"Yes" (I had given my location when she asked for it, as "BC Canada", and a Postal code not a zip code.
"... and it also appears to be an educational version"
"Yes" (I had given my place of purchase as University College of the Fraser Valley, and I don't think you can get more educational than that).
"Well, you'll have to call [random non-toll free number] in Ottawa to get support for this product."
By this time I had randomly clicked around and figured the answer to this question, and hung up in discust.
And *that* is the last time I got "support" from MS. I guess you can get support for Linux by paying other people for it, OR you can get support from MS and pay them for it. Last I heard "real" incidents of MS support are charged $100/$200 or so to get support.
This would be the part where MS realizes that "oh my, maybe we *should* do something to crush this threat to our way of making money". Whatever to do? Well, according to the halloween documents, it was embrace and extend open source protocols (kerberos was an example). This just takes it to another level. Attack Linux and open source in general.
This falls perfectly in line with this osopinion article about Ballmer's ideas on how to "attack" (not "compete with") linux.
This is an interesting tactic though, using the 'ol american patriotism against open source. The thing is, to "us" (the geeks of the world) this is complete BS and we know it. However, to the average american (I'm guessing (I'm.ca)) will probably think that "hey, they're right! damn those open source people!" I'm surprised they haven't taken it to the supreme court to force legislation against anyone doing any of the evil anti-american stuff.
I wonder if this sort of tactic will work against big companies. Sure, the average geek is ignoring this, but how about the average fortune 500 CEO?
I've been running the latest CVS snapshots (debs) of nautilus and IMHO it's not ready for primetime. Unless they have a LOT of debugging code still in there, it's just too slow.
On my P3-550/256 it runs slooooooooooow, from starting up, opening new windows, rendering files in a directory, etc. Yes, turning off the "extra sweet" icons helps things, but should this really be needed? What sort of machine are they aiming for?
Now I don't use nautilus that much, or gmc for that matter, because if I want to do file maintenance I'm more comfortable doing it on the command line, but that's just me. However, one of the reasons that sawfish, and gnome is good (IMHO) is that it doesn't require huge amounts of hardware. Now if suddenly nautilus goes in and requires a P3 just to run at an acceptable speed, suddenly down comes gnome (for the people who are installing for the first time anyway, or who don't know how to disable nautilus or replace it with gmc).
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a pretty cool file manager, I just hope that by the 1.4 release it's not the ram/cpu sucking pig I've seen it to be.
Excellent point. It harkens back to the beginning of the net as well, when there were websites, but not a huge number (Ok, maybe that's an exageration). Nowadays chances are you have a site, as well as your mom, dad, siblings, and cat, as well as the business you run on the side. We're running out of IP addresses and the problem isn't going away. I forsee the same thing happening if this sort of thing goes on. Hopefully there will be some regulation however, unlike the net.
You do have visual feedback actually. What you type appears in the middle of your desktop. Stop typing, and it fades, continue, and what you had typed appears again.
Tab-completion works as well:)
It is like the embedded terminal view, except there is no terminal, and no line between what is GUI, and what is command line.
Anyway, Advogato is a stronghold of the "It didn't exist anywhere until Gnome added it." mentality so there's no point raising these points there.
:)
In this case, it's neither gnome, nor KDE that got this (in what I consider) right, but raster and mandrake and the E guys. I just wish they'd re-release it, or re-write it or something.
As I mentioned in my other comment, EFM has (had, now it's out of cvs) exactly this. Not built in command line, no constantly running terminal, but the ability to just type and have your typing be a BASH command (or do things like open directories, etc).
KDE's command line ALT-F2 is just a way of running a program, not a true combination of GUI and CLI. Konq's terminal emulator is closer, but still not there.
Note: I don't run E, nor am I a KDE basher:) I just happen to have installed EFM one day and went WOW!!!
This is exactly what I liked about EFM (before the beta was removed). It combined command line and GUI filemanager perfectly (IMHO).
For those of you who never got a chance to use it, it worked like this: It had your standard desktop with icons and folders that you could open, but at anytime you could just start typeing and hit enter. What you typed could be a directory name (ie:/etc) and it would open a window with that directory. It could be a command, simple or complex such as "rm foo" or "for i in *.foo ; do foobar $i; done" and the command would execute.
It probably had a lot more than that (beautiful graphics, alpha blending, a background you configured via layers (a la gimp/photoshop), etc), but those were the things that made people go "oooohhhhh" when I showed them to them.
I know there are some systems that have something like this (konqueror has a command line option in it I think), but it still is a separate entity. EFM had a (mostly) seemless integration of command line into a GUI filemanager.
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Apparently, ol' Peter Parker gets bitten by a genetically altered spider, rather than a radioactive one. I guess radiation isn't as unknown
Thank god, I thought you were going to say he was bitten by a genetically altered goat!
While that is a good idea, a friend of mine has a theory that if a movie has midgets in it, it's an immediate classic. I am getting close to agreeing....
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Maybe not a vital feature, but a good one (IMHO). IANAP either, but I can definately agree that while yes, you should talk to your children and tell them what is right, wrong, acceptable and not, you may not want to leave the (perverbial) playboy channel unlocked. This doesn't have to deal with violent video games either, what about pornographic (or explicit, like Duke3d (maybe a stretch, but you get what I'm talking about)) games? Yes, there is a time and place to talk to your children about sex, girls and boys and why they are different, but that doesnt' mean I want my 5 year old son/daughter accidently turning on my xbox and starting up "Hot Redhead Nurse Strip Poker" which I left in the night before.
Don't forget, this has been done in a variety of ways before, to some degree anyway. The PS2 we have at work had a code to lock out DVDs if we wanted to, and games from as far back as
Whether this feature is used or not is going to be the thing, but not I hope, whether it was a good idea.
Yes, but we can hope :)
Yes, I agree, PLEASE DON'T SUCK! I've got all the guys (and gals) from work who are interested in this meeting in the recroom to watch it all on the bigscreen projector... Just hope that they (and I) aren't dissappointed.
This is great that the record labels get all that money. Do you *really* think that all the artists out there are going to get a nice fat raise after this? I think not. The RIAA lines their pockets, feels happy to have saved the world for democracy (and capitalism).
I'd be much happier paying my $5.00 (or whatever my piece of the $1B pie is) to a fund which then divides it up correctly between the artists on napster (by percentage or whatever) and then sends the $ directly to them (ie: straight to Courtney Love, NOT her label). I'd like to see how a suggestion like that flies to the record companies who are trying to "protect the artists".
What about the coders over at slashcode? I have no clue how many of them there are though :)
.com, along with a bunch of their staff... course, they were stupid (and typical) in getting a bunch of staff, an office, etc, all with 0 tangible product.
But yea, you're right, not a lot of overhead, comparitely. A friend of mine just got laid off from their
All depends on how much you're going to offer :) Now I just have to aim to get a "cool" high number, like "696969" or "123456"
Does that mean we get a cmdrtaco of our own? I could use a red-shirted ensign to make "whooosh" noises every time I open the door :)
On a serious note....
.com pool of ca$h that have been sustaining a lot of companies for a while now.
/. still exists? Maybe this is a better question for Ask Slashdot, but I figure I'd post it here. If VA is laying off 25%, then the demise of the .coms is coming closer to home, and I'm wondering how this will affect /. and it's users.
/. on the side like in the old days? Will /. be immune to the .com deaths? I would have thought so, simply because of it's popularity, but if VA is cutting back, the the possibility exists. I wonder if the /. owners have thought that far ahead :)
Slashdot is owned by anover^Wva^Wwhoever, and it's owners (*wave* to taco and hemos) are paid from the
So what happens when that money runs out? Will
Will you guys (taco, hemos, cowboyneil, etc) continue on and try to scrape by with what you can get from t-shirts and banner ads, or will you go back to having a "real job" and doing
True, however don't forget there is also the "zen" of programming that is needed. Someone who is used to writing servers (or console, non-gui apps) can't just jump into gtk or mfc because it's a different way of thinking. Event queues and callbacks just aren't used (as much in my experience) in your standard server which does "while(1){recieve_packet(); switch(packet); do_stuff_with(packet); }"
:)
There's a lot in palm programming that, while easy for those familiar with the realm, would be very confusing to someone who has written a few apps.
However, as the author says, a familar platform will let you write in whatever you're most familar with, be it bash, perl, or gtk
Thank $DEITY my upgrade subscription process involves "apt-get upgrade && apt-get upgrade" :) (or rpm equiv for the redhat people out there).
:)
This is another reason I'm here with linux. Because linux is by users for users, and because of that there is none of this pesky money stuff to worry about
I'm much more excited about the upcoming lone gunmen series.
How about this.
Yes, why should MS loose out on those million$ when they can give the government proprietory, closed, non-free software. Security audits? Nah, you don't need to do that. If you do though, you can get access to the source code at the special gov't rate of $100,000 a library.
This is especially interesting as there has been interested expressed by gov'ts (china among others) in open source software.
When is the last time you got any support from M$?
About 3 or 4 years ago, when I was playing around with Visual C++ 4 and had a question that wasn't answered in the FAQ, docs, etc. So I call up the support number. They tell me (after a bunch of wading thought phone systems and waiting on hold) that I should call the non-1800 number. OK I figured, why not, a quick call may cost a couple of buck, but it'll answer my question, so why not.
So I waded through more phone systems, and waited on hold some more. When I finally got to talk to a real person, they asked me all sorts of information. Name, address, phone number, zip/postal code, version, place of purchase, etc etc. Finally I got around to telling her my serial number.
"Sir, this serial number is registered to a canadian location."
"Yes" (I had given my location when she asked for it, as "BC Canada", and a Postal code not a zip code.
"... and it also appears to be an educational version"
"Yes" (I had given my place of purchase as University College of the Fraser Valley, and I don't think you can get more educational than that).
"Well, you'll have to call [random non-toll free number] in Ottawa to get support for this product."
By this time I had randomly clicked around and figured the answer to this question, and hung up in discust.
And *that* is the last time I got "support" from MS. I guess you can get support for Linux by paying other people for it, OR you can get support from MS and pay them for it. Last I heard "real" incidents of MS support are charged $100/$200 or so to get support.
This would be the part where MS realizes that "oh my, maybe we *should* do something to crush this threat to our way of making money". Whatever to do? Well, according to the halloween documents, it was embrace and extend open source protocols (kerberos was an example). This just takes it to another level. Attack Linux and open source in general.
.ca)) will probably think that "hey, they're right! damn those open source people!" I'm surprised they haven't taken it to the supreme court to force legislation against anyone doing any of the evil anti-american stuff.
This falls perfectly in line with this osopinion article about Ballmer's ideas on how to "attack" (not "compete with") linux.
This is an interesting tactic though, using the 'ol american patriotism against open source. The thing is, to "us" (the geeks of the world) this is complete BS and we know it. However, to the average american (I'm guessing (I'm
I wonder if this sort of tactic will work against big companies. Sure, the average geek is ignoring this, but how about the average fortune 500 CEO?
I've been running the latest CVS snapshots (debs) of nautilus and IMHO it's not ready for primetime. Unless they have a LOT of debugging code still in there, it's just too slow.
On my P3-550/256 it runs slooooooooooow, from starting up, opening new windows, rendering files in a directory, etc. Yes, turning off the "extra sweet" icons helps things, but should this really be needed? What sort of machine are they aiming for?
Now I don't use nautilus that much, or gmc for that matter, because if I want to do file maintenance I'm more comfortable doing it on the command line, but that's just me. However, one of the reasons that sawfish, and gnome is good (IMHO) is that it doesn't require huge amounts of hardware. Now if suddenly nautilus goes in and requires a P3 just to run at an acceptable speed, suddenly down comes gnome (for the people who are installing for the first time anyway, or who don't know how to disable nautilus or replace it with gmc).
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a pretty cool file manager, I just hope that by the 1.4 release it's not the ram/cpu sucking pig I've seen it to be.
Dude that's deep....
Excellent point. It harkens back to the beginning of the net as well, when there were websites, but not a huge number (Ok, maybe that's an exageration). Nowadays chances are you have a site, as well as your mom, dad, siblings, and cat, as well as the business you run on the side. We're running out of IP addresses and the problem isn't going away. I forsee the same thing happening if this sort of thing goes on. Hopefully there will be some regulation however, unlike the net.
You do have visual feedback actually. What you type appears in the middle of your desktop. Stop typing, and it fades, continue, and what you had typed appears again.
:)
Tab-completion works as well
It is like the embedded terminal view, except there is no terminal, and no line between what is GUI, and what is command line.
Anyway, Advogato is a stronghold of the "It didn't exist anywhere until Gnome added it." mentality so there's no point raising these points there.
:)
In this case, it's neither gnome, nor KDE that got this (in what I consider) right, but raster and mandrake and the E guys. I just wish they'd re-release it, or re-write it or something.
Oh, I agree completely.
HOWEVER, it does fullfill the original question's requirements completely. Maybe not EFM exactly, but something that is smaller, faster, better....
As I mentioned in my other comment, EFM has (had, now it's out of cvs) exactly this. Not built in command line, no constantly running terminal, but the ability to just type and have your typing be a BASH command (or do things like open directories, etc).
:) I just happen to have installed EFM one day and went WOW!!!
KDE's command line ALT-F2 is just a way of running a program, not a true combination of GUI and CLI. Konq's terminal emulator is closer, but still not there.
Note: I don't run E, nor am I a KDE basher
This is exactly what I liked about EFM (before the beta was removed). It combined command line and GUI filemanager perfectly (IMHO).
/etc) and it would open a window with that directory. It could be a command, simple or complex such as "rm foo" or "for i in *.foo ; do foobar $i; done" and the command would execute.
For those of you who never got a chance to use it, it worked like this: It had your standard desktop with icons and folders that you could open, but at anytime you could just start typeing and hit enter. What you typed could be a directory name (ie:
It probably had a lot more than that (beautiful graphics, alpha blending, a background you configured via layers (a la gimp/photoshop), etc), but those were the things that made people go "oooohhhhh" when I showed them to them.
I know there are some systems that have something like this (konqueror has a command line option in it I think), but it still is a separate entity. EFM had a (mostly) seemless integration of command line into a GUI filemanager.
Thank god, I thought you were going to say he was bitten by a genetically altered goat!
Stone tablets?
Luxury!
:)
While that is a good idea, a friend of mine has a theory that if a movie has midgets in it, it's an immediate classic. I am getting close to agreeing....