Once you understand that the only true goal of Michael Robertson and his "Lindows" product is a vain attempt to dilute the "Windows" brand-name, to subvert MS-Windows in the marketplace and try to fool customers into thinking that it (Lindows) actually *is* a different version or form of Windows to get a supposed increase in Linux desktop share.
A pox on Michael Robertson and "Lindows": may you blow your entire "fortune" in litigation and whither-away into oblivion.
It amazes me when Linux-o-philes and their fellow penguin-fetishists start believing their own spin and FUD.
Apparently, the person who found this exploit was too busy to alert the rest of the commune-hive about the exploit to get the "fix" into the next build, let alone to contact anyone. This person should be forbidden from adding anything to the Linux CVS tree, let alone taken out and shot.
In regards to Windows: I can easily keep track of what patches are applied to my systems: it's called "ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS" and actually looking in the %SystemRoot% directory for directories stating with "$NtUninstall" and finding the KnowledgeBase ("KB81027") or the Q-article ("Q828026") related to the patch.
More proof that Linux should only be considered as a hobbyist OS, let alone a bored-boys toy.
Ergo, Windows exploits that give someone Admin rights on Windows boxen will *never* enable kernel-level access - whereas *NIX root exploits will *ALWAYS* enable "Open Source" access to the kernel and all kernel-level processes.
The hard truth is this: Linux is as compromizable as ANY *nix-based OS that can have rootkits installed on them by a variety of means. If a Linux box is not locked-down properly, ANY idiot can grab/etc/passwd (even if it's shaddowed) and run a password cracker against passwd. THAT is the biggest exploit available, and the hard truth is that you CAN'T do that to a Windows box - you can run a brute-force password GUESSER against a Windows box but you can't crack the SAM db.
Ask yourself this: what is the ratio of "Windows machines that have been compromised to the "Administrator" level" to "Linux machines that have been compromized to the SU/root level", with the ratio of installed systems taken into account?
Actually, us "MS Zealots" are only trying to give the linux-o-philes and other "penguin fetishists" a taste of their own medicine, saying that Linux is NOT as secure as they would lead the world in believing, and that they are as guilty of FUD as anyone else in the industry.
If they can't stand the criticism, then they should just shut the hell up. If they can't stand their own tactics and spin used against them, then they should go off and contemplate their navels or other various body parts.
If this was some kind of attempt at a scale-of-economics exercize, it failed miserably.
Microsoft spends HUNDRESDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on Software Development. They have an economic drive to produce superior code. The Open Source "Community" does not. Who has a bigger liability? Who stands to lose BILLIONS of dollars?
If you're a programmer/developer at Microsoft and write crappy code or act as a "saboteur", you're fired - and in the case of the "saboteur" angle, you're arrested and charged with Felony Larceny.
In the "Open Source" community, if you write crappy code you're laughed at, and asked not to contribute code. BIG DEAL. If you're a "saboteur" in the Open Source "commune" (yes, I said "commune") you can't be arrested and charged with anything because by it's own definition the "Open Source" projects have no intrinsic value.
There is no economic imputus within the "Open Source" community, so any perceived "worth of work" is imaginary at best and hallucinatory at worst (and it looks like RMS has had at least 5 times his fair share of Hallucinations)
Your comments about "changes to the code" is hillarious - how did the backdoors get into OpenSSH; did they get there on their own?
The world should be vastly more sceptical of a software product that was produced virtually in an ad-hoc manner, and where any yutz who wanted to pass themselves off as a "c0d3r" could contribute code to such an important project than one where Interviews, background checks (including Law Enforcement) and security checks can identify potential troublemakers.
Apparently, no one ever remembers code compromises like those of the OpenSSH backdoor
This post is proof-positive that the Open Source community is run by hapless idiots who have NO concept of the world outside of their parent's basement and are either mentally stuck in writing code like they did in College ("d00d - can I borrow that piece of code??") or pine-away for those College days.
This is why all Open Software projects are doomed.
This shows how utterly naive the "Open Source" community is in regards to how "Commercial" software is developed.
Within Microsoft:
Weekly code reviews by peers & Management. Weekly bug bashes (going over current, unresolved bugs) Reviews with Program Managers Code check-in & check-out that is *significantly* more advanced than the kluge known as CVS. Total Ownership & Responsibility of your portion of code - including your screw-ups.
Note: This is all firsthand information. If you want info on how I know this, go visit my URL and learn a little about my background.
Oh, great - now everyone gets to see how many times I've k-lined stupid *.MY "h@x0r" wanna-be's for flooding my IRC Network's Admin channel with "N3TF0RC3 0WNZ J00" or remove their "Undetected" clone technology that acutally says "Netforce Undetected Clone Technology" in the userinfo.
Wait - that might be usefull to show the other *.MY users that we didn't k-line their Class-C address space because we don't like them - just the abusers.
Isn't it just like a Linux-o-phile to try to turn a story about the lack of security in certain segments of the CVS tree into a MS-Bash.
If it happened in a software company, the hacker would be fired and probably charged with some kind of "espionage" charge and arrested.
In the "Open Source" world, the hacker would secretly be hailed because he found a security flaw in the BitKeeper that allowed him to do what every Linux-o-phile loves to do: HACK
Now, think on this: what other bits of Open Source software are filled with such backdoors?
Kinda proves Steve Ballmer's comments about the lack of security in Open Source development, doesn't it?!
Unfortunately, it will become virtually impossible for this to happen to Linux as long as it remains under the death-grip of the Open Source/Free Software commune.
That's right - it's a commune, not a community. "Everyone shares, everyone profits". Software hippies. Free Love, Rock & Roll and Free Software.
Something produced is not "free" - it is produced, has no inate ability to demand to be free. Software itself does not have rights nor the ability to self-express them. They are a product...a tool. It was crafted, created, designed and is not self-aware.
Does this make RMS the "Abbie Hoffman" of the computer industry?
BTW, Eolas is privately owned with only one employee. MS can't buy it unless Eolas agrees to being bought. Also, if MS were to buy Eolas you think they'd just suddenly go and license that patent to everyone out of the goodness of their heart?
Isn't IE free (not as in "beer" but as in "money")?
Does Microsoft charge for including IE-specific objects in your HTML code?
This wraps-up all of what I've been trying to say here for at least 4 years. If this was posted by a "known" user, I'd use whatever moderation points I had and shoot this one to the top!
It really is too bad we don't know who you are - even though I don't drink (I'm one of those "Mormons" you mentioned), I would be inclined to buy you a drink, or at least something suitable.
So, what about these Linux-o-philes that post that Bill Gates = Hitler - and they get modded 5:Insightfull?
When will the rest of the world wake-up and discover the awful truth: that Slashdot is nothing more than an overrated blog-wikki for people with pasty complextions and no social skills? Slashdot DOES NOT MATTER!
As if getting your post modded +5 is going to actually SOLVE something!?!??!
Idiots like you just want the jollies of saying to your uber-geek friends:
"WOW - my karma on/. just went up because I was modded +5 on a post!!!"
WHAT A BUNCH OF BOVINE FECAL EXCREMENT!!!!
"Media" doesn't give a rat's fat ass what goes on here - unless it's another Open Source news(cough)site like Kuro5hin or the OSDN site itself. Since when have you ever heard this:
"This is Tom Brokaw with NBC News...Breaking News tonight: "|337-h@x0r" commented in a +5 post on Shashdot-dot-dot...oh, crap, I got it wrong again...Slashdot-dot-org...there...that 'M$ Windoz does in fact blow huge chunks of mucus'..." Grow-up. Get out of your self-absorbed and self-hypnotized delusion and come back to the REAL WORLD. Get married and have kids. Get outside and get some readily-absorbed Vitamin D from that big bright ball of light the rest of the world calls The Sun. Go toss a Frisbee for fun, and don't try to make a game out of it like "Ultimate Frisbee". Go Fishing. Go Hiking. Take a bike-ride without making yourself look like Lance Armstrong when you really look like Homer Simpson with a beard and unkept hair.
Responding to such crap like you try to do, just for the sake of argument or some inane protectionist stance really does nothing more than show the rest of us that you have no life, are argumentative and probably have poor social skills.
Me? My Life? I'm just an unemployed Network Technician who got caught in the financial fallout that was accelerated by the events of 09/11/01. I do have a life, but I take a break now and then to get humor the likes of which I have never before seen......it's called SLASHDOT.ORG
ScottKin - still laughing at the "superior intellect"
I think we just identified the founder of alt.conspiracy.
What a freakin` crack-pot!
Quick - go protect your stash of semi-automatic weapons that the government is going to confiscate!!
Watch for the Black Helicopters!!!
Don't take a case to court where the flag is an "Admiralty Flag" (the one with the pretty gold fringe on it).
It's idiots like you, Mr.Anonymous Mental-Patient, that are the REAL threat to America. Nothing is worse than the cancer of malcontent.
If you want to look at how government really works understand this: Every 4 years, We, as a nation, envoke the Preamble to the Constitution's provision for "abolishing" the standing Government via Elections. That provision was placed in the Constitution to prevent a hegemony or some other form of ogliarchy that would be detrimental to the health & personal safety of the populace. Mark well the fact that America was emerging from a social system under The Crown of England, and the last thing they wanted was a permanent government - they wanted a government that could change and evolve with the changes of society. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW!!!
It's derranged individuals like this that honestly believe that the Hapsburgs really DO run everything - per Skousen, there *is* a conspiracy, but not as our beloved Anonymous Pinhead would believe.
Also, the Anonymous Biggot now includes links pointing to people who *claim* that the 14th Ammendment is invalid (Abolishon of Slavery), some obscure ranting by some other blithering idiot who thinks that FEMA is some kind of evil creature with "slavering jaws".
Now you see why your parents warned you not to smoke pot, drop acid or do Bennies or Dexies.
I'm curious - how can someone be an "oddball" when it comes to Ethics?
It's pretty black-and-white: either you're ethical or you're not, and although your own definitions as to what is "ethical" may be "odd", ethics are not defined by the person - they are defined by the society in which you live.
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One of the few joys of /. is that people CAN post off-topic comments and they still get entered into the "stream"
Adrian - kiss my hairy ass!
--ScottKin
Based on your previous posts, like this beauty:
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=88892&cid=7
I have determined that you are a twit.
The name is "Krishna" not "Crishna".
Twit.
ScottKin
Once you understand that the only true goal of Michael Robertson and his "Lindows" product is a vain attempt to dilute the "Windows" brand-name, to subvert MS-Windows in the marketplace and try to fool customers into thinking that it (Lindows) actually *is* a different version or form of Windows to get a supposed increase in Linux desktop share.
A pox on Michael Robertson and "Lindows": may you blow your entire "fortune" in litigation and whither-away into oblivion.
ScottKin
Next, we'll probably have some linux-o-phile, penguin fetishist or hippie wanna-be start claiming "RMS is God"
It amazes me when Linux-o-philes and their fellow penguin-fetishists start believing their own spin and FUD.
Apparently, the person who found this exploit was too busy to alert the rest of the commune-hive about the exploit to get the "fix" into the next build, let alone to contact anyone. This person should be forbidden from adding anything to the Linux CVS tree, let alone taken out and shot.
In regards to Windows: I can easily keep track of what patches are applied to my systems: it's called "ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS" and actually looking in the %SystemRoot% directory for directories stating with "$NtUninstall" and finding the KnowledgeBase ("KB81027") or the Q-article ("Q828026") related to the patch.
More proof that Linux should only be considered as a hobbyist OS, let alone a bored-boys toy.
ScottKin.
Much better that the Bovine Fecal Excrement you're producing.
The Church-bell peals slowly.
Linux is kernel-level exploitable.
Windows is not.
QED.
If you think this is a flame, then you need to have your head examined; this is nothing more than the truth.
ScottKin
Hmmmm...
*NIX root = ring[0]
Windows Admin != ring[0]
Ergo, Windows exploits that give someone Admin rights on Windows boxen will *never* enable kernel-level access - whereas *NIX root exploits will *ALWAYS* enable "Open Source" access to the kernel and all kernel-level processes.
Do the math, moron.
ScottKin
The hard truth is this: Linux is as compromizable as ANY *nix-based OS that can have rootkits installed on them by a variety of means. If a Linux box is not locked-down properly, ANY idiot can grab /etc/passwd (even if it's shaddowed) and run a password cracker against passwd. THAT is the biggest exploit available, and the hard truth is that you CAN'T do that to a Windows box - you can run a brute-force password GUESSER against a Windows box but you can't crack the SAM db.
Ask yourself this: what is the ratio of "Windows machines that have been compromised to the "Administrator" level" to "Linux machines that have been compromized to the SU/root level", with the ratio of installed systems taken into account?
ScottKin
Actually, us "MS Zealots" are only trying to give the linux-o-philes and other "penguin fetishists" a taste of their own medicine, saying that Linux is NOT as secure as they would lead the world in believing, and that they are as guilty of FUD as anyone else in the industry.
If they can't stand the criticism, then they should just shut the hell up. If they can't stand their own tactics and spin used against them, then they should go off and contemplate their navels or other various body parts.
ScottKin
If this was some kind of attempt at a scale-of-economics exercize, it failed miserably.
Microsoft spends HUNDRESDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on Software Development. They have an economic drive to produce superior code. The Open Source "Community" does not. Who has a bigger liability? Who stands to lose BILLIONS of dollars?
If you're a programmer/developer at Microsoft and write crappy code or act as a "saboteur", you're fired - and in the case of the "saboteur" angle, you're arrested and charged with Felony Larceny.
In the "Open Source" community, if you write crappy code you're laughed at, and asked not to contribute code. BIG DEAL. If you're a "saboteur" in the Open Source "commune" (yes, I said "commune") you can't be arrested and charged with anything because by it's own definition the "Open Source" projects have no intrinsic value.
There is no economic imputus within the "Open Source" community, so any perceived "worth of work" is imaginary at best and hallucinatory at worst (and it looks like RMS has had at least 5 times his fair share of Hallucinations)
Your comments about "changes to the code" is hillarious - how did the backdoors get into OpenSSH; did they get there on their own?
The world should be vastly more sceptical of a software product that was produced virtually in an ad-hoc manner, and where any yutz who wanted to pass themselves off as a "c0d3r" could contribute code to such an important project than one where Interviews, background checks (including Law Enforcement) and security checks can identify potential troublemakers.
Apparently, no one ever remembers code compromises like those of the OpenSSH backdoor
This post is proof-positive that the Open Source community is run by hapless idiots who have NO concept of the world outside of their parent's basement and are either mentally stuck in writing code like they did in College ("d00d - can I borrow that piece of code??") or pine-away for those College days.
This is why all Open Software projects are doomed.
ScottKin
This shows how utterly naive the "Open Source" community is in regards to how "Commercial" software is developed.
Within Microsoft:
Weekly code reviews by peers & Management.
Weekly bug bashes (going over current, unresolved bugs)
Reviews with Program Managers
Code check-in & check-out that is *significantly* more advanced than the kluge known as CVS.
Total Ownership & Responsibility of your portion of code - including your screw-ups.
Note: This is all firsthand information. If you want info on how I know this, go visit my URL and learn a little about my background.
ScottKin
...are they INSANE?
Oh, great - now everyone gets to see how many times I've k-lined stupid *.MY "h@x0r" wanna-be's for flooding my IRC Network's Admin channel with "N3TF0RC3 0WNZ J00" or remove their "Undetected" clone technology that acutally says "Netforce Undetected Clone Technology" in the userinfo.
Wait - that might be usefull to show the other *.MY users that we didn't k-line their Class-C address space because we don't like them - just the abusers.
What is this world coming to?
ScottKin
Isn't it just like a Linux-o-phile to try to turn a story about the lack of security in certain segments of the CVS tree into a MS-Bash.
If it happened in a software company, the hacker would be fired and probably charged with some kind of "espionage" charge and arrested.
In the "Open Source" world, the hacker would secretly be hailed because he found a security flaw in the BitKeeper that allowed him to do what every Linux-o-phile loves to do: HACK
Now, think on this: what other bits of Open Source software are filled with such backdoors?
Kinda proves Steve Ballmer's comments about the lack of security in Open Source development, doesn't it?!
HAHAHAHA!
ScottKin - Laughing at the "superior intellect"
Unfortunately, it will become virtually impossible for this to happen to Linux as long as it remains under the death-grip of the Open Source/Free Software commune.
That's right - it's a commune, not a community. "Everyone shares, everyone profits". Software hippies. Free Love, Rock & Roll and Free Software.
Something produced is not "free" - it is produced, has no inate ability to demand to be free. Software itself does not have rights nor the ability to self-express them. They are a product...a tool. It was crafted, created, designed and is not self-aware.
Does this make RMS the "Abbie Hoffman" of the computer industry?
ScottKin
Typical A-C Moron-post.
Get over your self-importance before your head bursts because of your self-inflated ego.
Crispix DOES stay crunchy in milk longer!
ScottKin
Isn't IE free (not as in "beer" but as in "money")?
Does Microsoft charge for including IE-specific objects in your HTML code?
You truely are Confused.
ScottKin
PURE, UNMITIGATED GENIUS!!!!
This wraps-up all of what I've been trying to say here for at least 4 years. If this was posted by a "known" user, I'd use whatever moderation points I had and shoot this one to the top!
It really is too bad we don't know who you are - even though I don't drink (I'm one of those "Mormons" you mentioned), I would be inclined to buy you a drink, or at least something suitable.
You have my deepest respect!
ScottKin
It's called "GroupThink" - and it will be the end of Linux, the Open-Source community, and hopefully RMS.
h in k.html
http://www.abacon.com/commstudies/groups/groupt
ScottKin
So, what about these Linux-o-philes that post that Bill Gates = Hitler - and they get modded 5:Insightfull?
When will the rest of the world wake-up and discover the awful truth: that Slashdot is nothing more than an overrated blog-wikki for people with pasty complextions and no social skills? Slashdot DOES NOT MATTER!
ScottKin - tired of laughing.
Don't forget to put your Superman Under-roos on before you get ready for school.
"Killing Ignorance with a Single Post"
"Leaping over ARROGANT CORPORATIONS in a single Sig."
The word you were looking for is CORPORATION, not CORPORATES.
ScottKin - still lauging....oh, well - that one is getting old.
HAHAHA!
/. just went up because I was modded +5 on a post!!!"
...it's called SLASHDOT.ORG
As if getting your post modded +5 is going to actually SOLVE something!?!??!
Idiots like you just want the jollies of saying to your uber-geek friends:
"WOW - my karma on
WHAT A BUNCH OF BOVINE FECAL EXCREMENT!!!!
"Media" doesn't give a rat's fat ass what goes on here - unless it's another Open Source news(cough)site like Kuro5hin or the OSDN site itself. Since when have you ever heard this:
"This is Tom Brokaw with NBC News...Breaking News tonight: "|337-h@x0r" commented in a +5 post on Shashdot-dot-dot...oh, crap, I got it wrong again...Slashdot-dot-org...there...that 'M$ Windoz does in fact blow huge chunks of mucus'..."
Grow-up. Get out of your self-absorbed and self-hypnotized delusion and come back to the REAL WORLD. Get married and have kids. Get outside and get some readily-absorbed Vitamin D from that big bright ball of light the rest of the world calls The Sun. Go toss a Frisbee for fun, and don't try to make a game out of it like "Ultimate Frisbee". Go Fishing. Go Hiking. Take a bike-ride without making yourself look like Lance Armstrong when you really look like Homer Simpson with a beard and unkept hair.
Responding to such crap like you try to do, just for the sake of argument or some inane protectionist stance really does nothing more than show the rest of us that you have no life, are argumentative and probably have poor social skills.
Me? My Life? I'm just an unemployed Network Technician who got caught in the financial fallout that was accelerated by the events of 09/11/01. I do have a life, but I take a break now and then to get humor the likes of which I have never before seen...
ScottKin - still laughing at the "superior intellect"
I think we just identified the founder of alt.conspiracy.
What a freakin` crack-pot!
Quick - go protect your stash of semi-automatic weapons that the government is going to confiscate!!
Watch for the Black Helicopters!!!
Don't take a case to court where the flag is an "Admiralty Flag" (the one with the pretty gold fringe on it).
It's idiots like you, Mr.Anonymous Mental-Patient, that are the REAL threat to America. Nothing is worse than the cancer of malcontent.
If you want to look at how government really works understand this: Every 4 years, We, as a nation, envoke the Preamble to the Constitution's provision for "abolishing" the standing Government via Elections. That provision was placed in the Constitution to prevent a hegemony or some other form of ogliarchy that would be detrimental to the health & personal safety of the populace. Mark well the fact that America was emerging from a social system under The Crown of England, and the last thing they wanted was a permanent government - they wanted a government that could change and evolve with the changes of society. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW!!!
It's derranged individuals like this that honestly believe that the Hapsburgs really DO run everything - per Skousen, there *is* a conspiracy, but not as our beloved Anonymous Pinhead would believe.
Also, the Anonymous Biggot now includes links pointing to people who *claim* that the 14th Ammendment is invalid (Abolishon of Slavery), some obscure ranting by some other blithering idiot who thinks that FEMA is some kind of evil creature with "slavering jaws".
Now you see why your parents warned you not to smoke pot, drop acid or do Bennies or Dexies.
'nuff said!
ScottKin - laughing at the "superior intellect"
bunnie is an idiot - his comments to his own post have convicted him as such.
...you blithering twit!
/. is run by Content-Nazis and Rob Malda hires/recruits them.
University of
California
San
Diego...
Gee - idiots like this get their articles posted like it's their job, and I only get this:
2001-06-12 01:00:48 The Connection between Bill Gates and D&D (articles,humor) (rejected)
2001-12-21 22:00:31 Spokane-based "hackers" steal 2,700 Credit (articles,news) (rejected)
2003-03-14 22:17:43 Security "Hole" found in Sun ONE Web Serve (articles,sun) (rejected)
2003-04-14 17:58:31 Human Genome/DNA Sequence Completed (articles,science) (rejected)
2003-09-24 23:37:32 Successfull first launch of "Aerospike" ro (science,science) (accepted)
2003-09-30 17:05:55 ForensicTec President Arrested for break-ins (articles,news) (rejected)
More proof that
Heil Malda!
ScottKin
I'm curious - how can someone be an "oddball" when it comes to Ethics?
It's pretty black-and-white: either you're ethical or you're not, and although your own definitions as to what is "ethical" may be "odd", ethics are not defined by the person - they are defined by the society in which you live.
ScottKin