Since we're talking about California cars, I'd look into operating an oil company in California and tell me the potential liability for any kind of oil spill. Or the requirements for abandoning a well.
Home solar is stupid in general for CA, but if you're going to do it, at least batteries make sense. CA already has days where it has to pay Arizona to take its excess power, because there's too much being produced in the middle of the day from solar, but power usage peaks at 6pm.
It was created by the plaintiffs' attorneys to make money, not to provide safety or alert you to things that may cause cancer. When you view it that way, it's a very successful regulation.
Most of the recent nuclear plants in the US (either attempted, contemplated, or ongoing) are all the same design, Westinghouse's AP-1000. The idea was modular, standardized construction, but they've all had crazy cost overruns. Ideally they would have built one first, learned how the design was wrong, fixed the issues, then applied that to future plants, but instead they tried building multiple units at one time and went into bankruptcy.
Conversely, electricity priced too high slows electric vehicle adoption, along with things like electric water heaters and home heating. So having your power priced too high can hurt the environment.
Germany is a good example, but for the problems with trying to go too heavy on renewable energy. They've invested a ton of money into renewables, but still have to burn a lot of coal, while the US is kicking their ass in CO2 emissions reductions because we've switched from coal to cheap and plentiful natural gas.
The combination of alcohol and the lowered pH however will keep a lot of the bad things away. You can look at all the brewers doing spontaneous fermentation to see that it's really not that hard to keep your beer safe to drink, as long as you don't get mold in the aging process.
Citing inside climate news is like citing the daily mail. By the way, everything you're accusing Exxon of is actually what a group of environmentalists and plaintiff's lawyers decided to do, with funding by various Rockefeller foundations (among others). The main people that would benefit from this case being successful would be the class action attorneys, who would stand to make hundreds of millions if not billions. Everyone else will just pay a little more at the gas station, along with a little bit more for all the food and items they need.
So the industry isn't hurting at all, but even China's demand will grow this year. I guess you could say demand would be even higher without the buses, but they're certainly not causing problems.
But the costs are indirectly imposed on consumers, so they'll never figure it out. See also the Long Beach port going zero emissions (but you can pay if you aren't at zero), and California's cap and trade law (being used to fund a rail line from LA to SF that may or may not get built).
Shutdown of US production? Now that OPEC extended their cuts, with oil near $60/barrel the US shale production is ramping up like crazy, and expected to stay that way.
Despite what other comments say, no one is paying for Westlaw or LexisNexis per hour, and attorneys aren't forced to search as quick as possible. Most firms will have things like all the cases and statutes in their jurisdictions in their subscription, which allows them to search/view them as much as they want, with no additional cost. Occasionally you'll want to view something that isn't part of your subscription, in which case you go "out of plan" and pay to access that content. From there you can either pay per piece of content accessed, or by the hour, but everyone who is cost conscious just pays per piece of content. A lot of junior attorneys don't realize that they can change their settings to pay per piece of content accessed rather than per hour, but that changes once they get their first huge bill for going out of their subscription.
You're not just paying for the cases, you're also getting access to secondary sources like treatises and law review journals. The real value in having Westlaw or Lexis is that they have attorneys summarize the cases, classify them as touching upon different points of law so you can easily find more cases that deal with the same issue, and also let you know if the case has been distinguished or overturned by a newer case.
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Since we're talking about California cars, I'd look into operating an oil company in California and tell me the potential liability for any kind of oil spill. Or the requirements for abandoning a well.
When Ohio was heavily coal they found it was better to have modern ICE engines powering cars than EVs, however that has changed.
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.20150897
Home solar is stupid in general for CA, but if you're going to do it, at least batteries make sense. CA already has days where it has to pay Arizona to take its excess power, because there's too much being produced in the middle of the day from solar, but power usage peaks at 6pm.
It was created by the plaintiffs' attorneys to make money, not to provide safety or alert you to things that may cause cancer. When you view it that way, it's a very successful regulation.
What are you even rambling about AC?
To do what? Provide power for the entire US? The US uses around 10,000,000 MWh/day, so I think you're going to need a couple extra...
Electrical use tends to peak at 6pm, which is not the ideal time for solar
Most of the recent nuclear plants in the US (either attempted, contemplated, or ongoing) are all the same design, Westinghouse's AP-1000. The idea was modular, standardized construction, but they've all had crazy cost overruns. Ideally they would have built one first, learned how the design was wrong, fixed the issues, then applied that to future plants, but instead they tried building multiple units at one time and went into bankruptcy.
Conversely, electricity priced too high slows electric vehicle adoption, along with things like electric water heaters and home heating. So having your power priced too high can hurt the environment.
https://energyathaas.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/the-electricity-price-isnt-right/
I'd probably avoid calling people retarded since you seem fairly ignorant on power generation and distribution issues
Germany is a good example, but for the problems with trying to go too heavy on renewable energy. They've invested a ton of money into renewables, but still have to burn a lot of coal, while the US is kicking their ass in CO2 emissions reductions because we've switched from coal to cheap and plentiful natural gas.
The combination of alcohol and the lowered pH however will keep a lot of the bad things away. You can look at all the brewers doing spontaneous fermentation to see that it's really not that hard to keep your beer safe to drink, as long as you don't get mold in the aging process.
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Since fracking doesn't contaminate ground water, it's $0 to clean up the water near a fracking site
Citing inside climate news is like citing the daily mail. By the way, everything you're accusing Exxon of is actually what a group of environmentalists and plaintiff's lawyers decided to do, with funding by various Rockefeller foundations (among others). The main people that would benefit from this case being successful would be the class action attorneys, who would stand to make hundreds of millions if not billions. Everyone else will just pay a little more at the gas station, along with a little bit more for all the food and items they need.
Bloomberg posts this article today:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-24/trump-has-it-wrong-when-it-comes-to-oil-and-opec
So the industry isn't hurting at all, but even China's demand will grow this year. I guess you could say demand would be even higher without the buses, but they're certainly not causing problems.
But the costs are indirectly imposed on consumers, so they'll never figure it out. See also the Long Beach port going zero emissions (but you can pay if you aren't at zero), and California's cap and trade law (being used to fund a rail line from LA to SF that may or may not get built).
Don't forget they also import massive amounts of Russian natural gas
Shutdown of US production? Now that OPEC extended their cuts, with oil near $60/barrel the US shale production is ramping up like crazy, and expected to stay that way.
Traditionally on /. there's also a link in the summary, not just the title
You're arguing with a guy who signs his posts, of course he's a moron
Despite what other comments say, no one is paying for Westlaw or LexisNexis per hour, and attorneys aren't forced to search as quick as possible. Most firms will have things like all the cases and statutes in their jurisdictions in their subscription, which allows them to search/view them as much as they want, with no additional cost. Occasionally you'll want to view something that isn't part of your subscription, in which case you go "out of plan" and pay to access that content. From there you can either pay per piece of content accessed, or by the hour, but everyone who is cost conscious just pays per piece of content. A lot of junior attorneys don't realize that they can change their settings to pay per piece of content accessed rather than per hour, but that changes once they get their first huge bill for going out of their subscription.
You're not just paying for the cases, you're also getting access to secondary sources like treatises and law review journals. The real value in having Westlaw or Lexis is that they have attorneys summarize the cases, classify them as touching upon different points of law so you can easily find more cases that deal with the same issue, and also let you know if the case has been distinguished or overturned by a newer case.
Source: I'm an attorney who uses Westlaw
Call me when there's a dick array with 99.999% availability
Damn, your aspergers is really flaring up. This is the stupidest arugment I've seen on /. in days
Good troll, I'll try to use this in the future