1) OpenSSH.COM by OpenBSD people (25-10-1999) 2) OpenSSH.ORG 9 days later by our friend in Europe (04-11-1999) 3) OpenSSH.NET 12 days later by OpenBSD (16-11-1999)
The BSD guys went for.com first, they snooze, they lose.
BTW, what kind of regulation is there of Canadian TV on the "obscenity" front? I know they're much more liberal than the U.S. but I don't think they're quite as liberal as, say Brazil, are they? (in Brazil you could make a Coke commercial of a woman masturbating with the bottle and they wouldn't give a hoot, nudity is used in commercials all the time)
Well, nudity certainly isn't mainstay, but I have seen it recently in a Made-For-TV-Movie on CTV, (The Girl Next Door), however it aired at 10PM and there was a disclaimer right before that segment. It's not unheard of to hear people totally go off on a swearing spree in Canadian shows, and they don't usually censor movies played on TV. Fuck, Shit, Ass, Bitch, I have heard pretty much all of them on Canadian TV during prime time without disclaimers.
Does anyone else think that country is worthy of ridicule, that will crash $1.5 billion of equipment to avoid even the remote chance that it might hurt some single-celled bacteria, and then legalize the destruction of millions of unborn babies? Do those mythical one-celled motes from outer space have more rights than human children?
Well, first of all with the cost argument, the space craft is 11 years old, was only intended to be used for 2 years, so in essence, you got 9 years free, can't beat that deal...
I know you're going after the abortion deal, which is really disturbing, whether or not you believe abortion should be legal (I really don't, with some exceptions) you must keep in mind, these are OUR offspring, any life on another planet is NOT ours, and therefore we have more right to destroy our stuff then their stuff. I know it sounds draconian but really thats the way it is.
There are no life forms on any of those moons. This is incredibly stupid.
iCraveTV was incorporated in PA by an American citizen. That puts them firmly in the juristiction of the PA courts. If you're going to try and avoid federal laws, do it properly like paradisepoker.com does, in Costa Rica.
I'm sorry but it doesnt. Their actions were in Canada, which makes their actions in jurisdiction of Canadian law, not US law, where they were incorporated has little relevance. Thats like saying I'm born in botswana, but when I travel to another country and do stuff there, I am still under botwaana law.
Well now isn't this funny. If the university points out that pirating MP3s is illegal, and that people should stop it because they're chewing up bandwidth its ok. But God help the RIAA when they point out that just maybe pirating MP3s is illegal, and that maybe universities should ban Napster.
The problem with the RIAA's stance is not only do they want to stop the trading of copyright MP3's, but they want to destroy MP3 as an audio file format altogether.
This is so not true on many levels, and your complete arrogance is quite unsettling.
You go into a Toronto courtroom with a PA court decision on a Canadian company where Canadian laws are in jurisdiction, and say "Look here judge, this PA judge said iCraveTV is stealing our content according to US law!" That judge is going to throw you right out of court and not hear your case at all.
Adding advertisements that can't be removed is every bit as much a modification to the signal as deleting the advertisements off of the original signal (which they don't do). If they could be seperated by the average Joe (by adding a button to turn them totally off), then you might be able to claim that the signal truly is the original signal... but if you can't seperate the two, then they are not two entities, they are one.
The banners are seperate streams, the actual TV signal is one stream, the bottom banner is a seperate stream, and the right side banner is also a seperate stream. You CAN separate them (by only loading the one stream), but the way they did it in real player is obscure enough that the average joe would not figure out how.
Again, this is irrelevant as they are not adding banners to the actual TV stream, they are adding banners AROUND the stream from seperate streams. Canadian law is very specific, the TV signal must be broadcast in its entirety in real time, and thats what was happening.
Just like a "click wrap" license agreement cannot take away a norwegians right to reverse engineer software for interoperability, the same is true of a statement like that on a broadcast IN CANADA for someone to rebroadcast that transmission in its entirety, unedited.
Under Canadian law this is legal, as long as it gets rebroadcast in real time, all original content in place (commercials, etc), then its quite legal in Canada, and no little disclamer can take that away.
Why iCraveTV chose to show up in that PA court I will never know, I sure wouldn't have as it has no jurisdiction.
Think of dreaming, we've all experienced dreams that seemed very very real to us, more real than any virtual experience is, or probably will be for the next 50 years. Do we have otherwise healthy people dying in their sleep due to violent dreams? Hell no! I've been chased by dinosaurs at least 5 times, and I've yet to wake up clawed, gnawed, and bleeding.
This is true, but have you actually died in a dream? I havent, I always wake up just before I do. Perhaps if you do indeed die inside of a dream you die in real life, but if its true it can't be proven...
Hmmm, that's a nicely self-serving argument, wouldn't you say? All you have to do is declare that "you can't afford" X, and poof! it's now legal for you to steal X. So $500 is too much? How about $20 for a CD? is that still too much? $6.00 for a paperback? Nope, sorry, "can't afford it", I'll just photocopy it and return the original. Hmmm, now that I think about it, maybe somebody else "can't afford" that book either, I guess I should post the text to my web site, for those poor, unfortunate souls.
You're taking it a bit far, a $6 paperback is a little different then a $500 collection of bits and bytes on $2 media. Lets be realistic here, software is way overpriced, as is music. Books aren't overpriced at all because they know they have to keep the price down or else consumers just wont buy it. Software companies KNOW their software is going to get pirated, so they price for businesses, except for gaming companies, who charge upwards of $70 canadian for titles, which is rediculous as most of them are so damn buggy. And as for music, well, there's no shortage of teenage girls in the world to keep that industry going, even at its more then double inflated prices.
I say, if they don't want their "intellectual property" pirated, lower the prices to what it should be.
Last point -- if you can't afford something that you want, that doesn't mean you should steal it no matter how big or evil the company may be.
If I cant afford a $500 program you're selling, then I won't buy it, so how does it hurt you if I warez a copy? I wouldnt buy it anyways cause I can't afford it. So in the end I get to use it, even though I can't afford it. No one is losing anything, I am just gaining.
What do you think Pascal, Ada, and Java call when they want memory? Malloc. It's what anything calls when it wants memory, ultimately.
But they all do it differently, and even the same languages in different compilers allocate memory differently, this is what I'm talking about. If you impliment C style malloc(), free(), etc in hardware, then only C languages will benifit because other languages do it too differently for it to be useful to them.
If this is implimented then only C languages would benifit from this, OS's like Linux, possibly Windows, but non C languages, VB, Pascal, etc wouldn't benifit from these because they couldn't use them effectively.
Instead of moving a few C functions to hardware I'm with most people here who think that we should just create a faster memory subsystem.
To me, this is a weakness; what if you want to paste over a selection? Whoops, there goes my previous selection. What if you don't want to move your fingers off the keyboard? Tough. That's bad design.
If you want to paste over then you select it, delete it, select what you want to paste in, and paste it in... If you don't want to move your fingers off the keyboard you stay in the CLI, because pointing devices are quite standard in GUI's.
And those fonts are still 1 bit deep. Where's the antialiasing?
FreeType supports antialiasing...
Next has been implemented on DPS since day one. Maybe you like bitmaps. That's still no excuse not to use a modern architecture for your drawing engine.
Well there doesnt seem to be any reason to "update" it, because that really isnt broke, so why fix a problem that isnt there?
Funny, I had to cut and paste that quote... Cut and paste in X works better then in any other system I have used just because all you have to do is block, and middle click, no keyboard shortcuts needed, no menus.
Where's the colorspace management?
Who cares about colorspace management? I dont. Color displays correctly, thats all I care about.
Where's the font handling?
Thats something else X does better then Windows or MacOS, it allows you to use different font engine servers, over a network even.
Where's the vectorized graphics engine?
Yeah, where is it? I dont see that anywhere else either, is it really important? It isnt to me...
Where's the unified print/display model?
Its called PostScript....
X does one thing well: open terminals on remote machines. That the GNOME/KDE folks have built something that implements about 10% of a modern GUI is commendable. Themable window managers, however, are not a replacement for usable ones.
They seem quite usable to me and many other people, who are you to say they aren't?
You're right about Mac OS X for Intel, though, which is a shame; the current DP runs like a champ and shows what a modern Unix can do when connected to a/real/ user interface.
Hrmm, but its themeable, right? So by your definition, themable == unusable.
But none of it will make any difference, because X-windows is already dead. It died a while back when someone thought "gee, I know, let's make a desktop whose strengths come not from the elegance of the theoretical design of the comittee that programmed it, but from its usefulness to the world at large, and the average human being in particular."
The fatal flaw in your argument is that X, in itself, is the user interface. Of course you are quite wrong. The window manager is, and this can be changed and made to act however you want, even like MacOS X if you wish... Just go get enlightenment and the Aqua themes for it and GTK, and you're off and running...
X isn't dead, the popularity of Linux is actualling bringing MORE people into X. X has got to be the best windowing system just because you need a window manager, all other window systems are pretty much static, and you cant change how they behave or look.
So, from where I'm standing, MacOS X, if it ever gets released for Intel, has got it in the bag.
Is that what you think the GPL is? A way to get more control? Glad to see that you GPL advocates are finally getting honest.
This is precisely what the GPL, and any software license, is about. Controlling what end users can do with the software. Thinking anything less is naive. In its most fundamental way, software licenses are all about making people stay within the authors belief system, in the case of the GPL, that would be open source.
Am I right in assuming that you haven't seen the movie? If you have seen it, I'm not sure how you managed to miss the point so badly...
I'm not just talking about the movie, people, usually americans, insult me, and other canadians, just because they can, and stuff like south park (no I havent seen the movie, but I have seen a lot of the TV eps), the movie "Canadian Bacon", etc, don't really help matters.
It's just disgusting, the song isn't even very good, when I heard it was nominated I went and grabbed the mp3.
Jingoistic? No. Anti-Canadian? Well I've seen the terrance and phillip eps, and, heard this song. Whatever. It's just stupid, the song is stupid, and it gets nominated for an oscar? What kind of fucked up people are in that academy? Perhaps they just want to dumb down the oscars to the general american populace to boost ratings.
Nominating a song like "Blame Canada" and snubbing an actor like Jim Carey really tells me a lot about americans...
Increasingly online I find I'm getting insulted for being Canadian with no provokation at all, and quite frankly shit like this doesn't help any. It's the ultimate insult.
I really think you people south of the border need to grow up a little. Racism is wrong, Sexism is wrong, Agism is wrong, but "Canadianism", for lack of a better term, is ok?
-- iCEBaLM
What would be really funny...
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If some spectater showed up and mid service, just kindof went "this is boring" and fragged the whole wedding party...
I read most of Katz's articles, and I dont always agree with what he says, just like I wouldnt always agree with what my mom says, but I dont tell either that they're idiots.
After every article that Jon has a hand in, you always see the same things, "Katz is a moron", "What horrible grammar!", etc. Well I have one thing to say to that.
If you think he is a moron and writes with horrible grammar, stop reading his articles, dont waste hard drive space, bandwidth, and brain cells on reading it and flaming him as it does nobody any good.
I personally have no problem with Jon writing for slashdot, I couldnt care less about his grammar as long as I can understand his view points, and I dont care to read comments about how much of an idiot and how bad his grammar is. I'm sure many people agree with me.
These "Jon has bad grammar" and "Katz is an idiot" comments need to start being moderated down, and even if it costs me karma or lengthens my time between receiving moderator points, I'm going to practice what I preach when I can.
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1) OpenSSH.COM by OpenBSD people (25-10-1999)
2) OpenSSH.ORG 9 days later by our friend in Europe (04-11-1999)
3) OpenSSH.NET 12 days later by OpenBSD (16-11-1999)
The BSD guys went for
-- iCEBaLM
BTW, what kind of regulation is there of Canadian TV on the "obscenity" front? I know they're much more liberal than the U.S. but I don't think they're quite as liberal as, say Brazil, are they? (in Brazil you could make a Coke commercial of a woman masturbating with the bottle and they wouldn't give a hoot, nudity is used in commercials all the time)
Well, nudity certainly isn't mainstay, but I have seen it recently in a Made-For-TV-Movie on CTV, (The Girl Next Door), however it aired at 10PM and there was a disclaimer right before that segment. It's not unheard of to hear people totally go off on a swearing spree in Canadian shows, and they don't usually censor movies played on TV. Fuck, Shit, Ass, Bitch, I have heard pretty much all of them on Canadian TV during prime time without disclaimers.
-- iCEBaLM
No, I don't think ethically we do. If we just merely benifit from it no, not a chance. Now if it comes down to survival, then yes, its us or them.
-- iCEBaLM
Does anyone else think that country is worthy of ridicule, that will crash $1.5 billion of equipment to avoid even the remote chance that it might hurt some single-celled bacteria, and then legalize the destruction of millions of unborn babies? Do those mythical one-celled motes from outer space have more rights than human children?
Well, first of all with the cost argument, the space craft is 11 years old, was only intended to be used for 2 years, so in essence, you got 9 years free, can't beat that deal...
I know you're going after the abortion deal, which is really disturbing, whether or not you believe abortion should be legal (I really don't, with some exceptions) you must keep in mind, these are OUR offspring, any life on another planet is NOT ours, and therefore we have more right to destroy our stuff then their stuff. I know it sounds draconian but really thats the way it is.
There are no life forms on any of those moons. This is incredibly stupid.
So I take it you've been there, right?
-- iCEBaLM
iCraveTV was incorporated in PA by an American citizen. That puts them firmly in the juristiction of the PA courts. If you're going to try and avoid federal laws, do it properly like paradisepoker.com does, in Costa Rica.
I'm sorry but it doesnt. Their actions were in Canada, which makes their actions in jurisdiction of Canadian law, not US law, where they were incorporated has little relevance. Thats like saying I'm born in botswana, but when I travel to another country and do stuff there, I am still under botwaana law.
-- iCEBaLM
Well now isn't this funny. If the university points out that pirating MP3s is illegal, and that people should stop it because they're chewing up bandwidth its ok. But God help the RIAA when they point out that just maybe pirating MP3s is illegal, and that maybe universities should ban Napster.
The problem with the RIAA's stance is not only do they want to stop the trading of copyright MP3's, but they want to destroy MP3 as an audio file format altogether.
-- iCEBaLM
I reiterate...
You CAN separate them
-- iCEBaLM
This is so not true on many levels, and your complete arrogance is quite unsettling.
You go into a Toronto courtroom with a PA court decision on a Canadian company where Canadian laws are in jurisdiction, and say "Look here judge, this PA judge said iCraveTV is stealing our content according to US law!" That judge is going to throw you right out of court and not hear your case at all.
-- iCEBaLM
Adding advertisements that can't be removed is every bit as much a modification to the signal as deleting the advertisements off of the original signal (which they don't do). If they could be seperated by the average Joe (by adding a button to turn them totally off), then you might be able to claim that the signal truly is the original signal... but if you can't seperate the two, then they are not two entities, they are one.
The banners are seperate streams, the actual TV signal is one stream, the bottom banner is a seperate stream, and the right side banner is also a seperate stream. You CAN separate them (by only loading the one stream), but the way they did it in real player is obscure enough that the average joe would not figure out how.
Again, this is irrelevant as they are not adding banners to the actual TV stream, they are adding banners AROUND the stream from seperate streams. Canadian law is very specific, the TV signal must be broadcast in its entirety in real time, and thats what was happening.
-- iCEBaLM
Of course, you completely miss the point.
Just like a "click wrap" license agreement cannot take away a norwegians right to reverse engineer software for interoperability, the same is true of a statement like that on a broadcast IN CANADA for someone to rebroadcast that transmission in its entirety, unedited.
Under Canadian law this is legal, as long as it gets rebroadcast in real time, all original content in place (commercials, etc), then its quite legal in Canada, and no little disclamer can take that away.
Why iCraveTV chose to show up in that PA court I will never know, I sure wouldn't have as it has no jurisdiction.
-- iCEBaLM
Think of dreaming, we've all experienced dreams that seemed very very real to us, more real than any virtual experience is, or probably will be for the next 50 years. Do we have otherwise healthy people dying in their sleep due to violent dreams? Hell no! I've been chased by dinosaurs at least 5 times, and I've yet to wake up clawed, gnawed, and bleeding.
This is true, but have you actually died in a dream? I havent, I always wake up just before I do. Perhaps if you do indeed die inside of a dream you die in real life, but if its true it can't be proven...
-- iCEBaLM
Hmmm, that's a nicely self-serving argument, wouldn't you say? All you have to do is declare that "you can't afford" X, and poof! it's now legal for you to steal X. So $500 is too much? How about $20 for a CD? is that still too much? $6.00 for a paperback? Nope, sorry, "can't afford it", I'll just photocopy it and return the original. Hmmm, now that I think about it, maybe somebody else "can't afford" that book either, I guess I should post the text to my web site, for those poor, unfortunate souls.
You're taking it a bit far, a $6 paperback is a little different then a $500 collection of bits and bytes on $2 media. Lets be realistic here, software is way overpriced, as is music. Books aren't overpriced at all because they know they have to keep the price down or else consumers just wont buy it. Software companies KNOW their software is going to get pirated, so they price for businesses, except for gaming companies, who charge upwards of $70 canadian for titles, which is rediculous as most of them are so damn buggy. And as for music, well, there's no shortage of teenage girls in the world to keep that industry going, even at its more then double inflated prices.
I say, if they don't want their "intellectual property" pirated, lower the prices to what it should be.
-- iCEBaLM
Last point -- if you can't afford something that you want, that doesn't mean you should steal it no matter how big or evil the company may be.
If I cant afford a $500 program you're selling, then I won't buy it, so how does it hurt you if I warez a copy? I wouldnt buy it anyways cause I can't afford it. So in the end I get to use it, even though I can't afford it. No one is losing anything, I am just gaining.
-- iCEBaLM
What do you think Pascal, Ada, and Java call when they want memory? Malloc. It's what anything calls when it wants memory, ultimately.
But they all do it differently, and even the same languages in different compilers allocate memory differently, this is what I'm talking about. If you impliment C style malloc(), free(), etc in hardware, then only C languages will benifit because other languages do it too differently for it to be useful to them.
-- iCEBaLM
If this is implimented then only C languages would benifit from this, OS's like Linux, possibly Windows, but non C languages, VB, Pascal, etc wouldn't benifit from these because they couldn't use them effectively.
Instead of moving a few C functions to hardware I'm with most people here who think that we should just create a faster memory subsystem.
-- iCEBaLM
To me, this is a weakness; what if you want to paste over a selection? Whoops, there goes my previous selection. What if you don't want to move your fingers off the keyboard? Tough. That's bad design.
If you want to paste over then you select it, delete it, select what you want to paste in, and paste it in... If you don't want to move your fingers off the keyboard you stay in the CLI, because pointing devices are quite standard in GUI's.
And those fonts are still 1 bit deep. Where's the antialiasing?
FreeType supports antialiasing...
Next has been implemented on DPS since day one. Maybe you like bitmaps. That's still no excuse not to use a modern architecture for your drawing engine.
Well there doesnt seem to be any reason to "update" it, because that really isnt broke, so why fix a problem that isnt there?
-- iCEBaLM
Where's the cut and paste?
/real/ user interface.
Funny, I had to cut and paste that quote... Cut and paste in X works better then in any other system I have used just because all you have to do is block, and middle click, no keyboard shortcuts needed, no menus.
Where's the colorspace management?
Who cares about colorspace management? I dont. Color displays correctly, thats all I care about.
Where's the font handling?
Thats something else X does better then Windows or MacOS, it allows you to use different font engine servers, over a network even.
Where's the vectorized graphics engine?
Yeah, where is it? I dont see that anywhere else either, is it really important? It isnt to me...
Where's the unified print/display model?
Its called PostScript....
X does one thing well: open terminals on remote machines. That the GNOME/KDE folks have built something that implements about 10% of a modern GUI is commendable. Themable window managers, however, are not a replacement for usable ones.
They seem quite usable to me and many other people, who are you to say they aren't?
You're right about Mac OS X for Intel, though, which is a shame; the current DP runs like a champ and shows what a modern Unix can do when connected to a
Hrmm, but its themeable, right? So by your definition, themable == unusable.
-- iCEBaLM
But none of it will make any difference, because X-windows is already dead. It died a while back when someone thought "gee, I know, let's make a desktop whose strengths come not from the elegance of the theoretical design of the comittee that programmed it, but from its usefulness to the world at large, and the average human being in particular."
The fatal flaw in your argument is that X, in itself, is the user interface. Of course you are quite wrong. The window manager is, and this can be changed and made to act however you want, even like MacOS X if you wish... Just go get enlightenment and the Aqua themes for it and GTK, and you're off and running...
X isn't dead, the popularity of Linux is actualling bringing MORE people into X. X has got to be the best windowing system just because you need a window manager, all other window systems are pretty much static, and you cant change how they behave or look.
So, from where I'm standing, MacOS X, if it ever gets released for Intel, has got it in the bag.
You can stop dreaming, it'll never happen.
-- iCEBaLM
Is that what you think the GPL is? A way to get more control? Glad to see that you GPL advocates are finally getting honest.
This is precisely what the GPL, and any software license, is about. Controlling what end users can do with the software. Thinking anything less is naive. In its most fundamental way, software licenses are all about making people stay within the authors belief system, in the case of the GPL, that would be open source.
-- iCEBaLM
I really love the fact that all the flamers I'm attracting are AC's, I mean, that really proves how cowardly americans are..
-- iCEBaLM
Am I right in assuming that you haven't seen the movie? If you have seen it, I'm not sure how you managed to miss the point so badly...
I'm not just talking about the movie, people, usually americans, insult me, and other canadians, just because they can, and stuff like south park (no I havent seen the movie, but I have seen a lot of the TV eps), the movie "Canadian Bacon", etc, don't really help matters.
It's just disgusting, the song isn't even very good, when I heard it was nominated I went and grabbed the mp3.
Jingoistic? No. Anti-Canadian? Well I've seen the terrance and phillip eps, and, heard this song. Whatever. It's just stupid, the song is stupid, and it gets nominated for an oscar? What kind of fucked up people are in that academy? Perhaps they just want to dumb down the oscars to the general american populace to boost ratings.
-- iCEBaLM
(Disclaimer: I am Canadian)
Nominating a song like "Blame Canada" and snubbing an actor like Jim Carey really tells me a lot about americans...
Increasingly online I find I'm getting insulted for being Canadian with no provokation at all, and quite frankly shit like this doesn't help any. It's the ultimate insult.
I really think you people south of the border need to grow up a little. Racism is wrong, Sexism is wrong, Agism is wrong, but "Canadianism", for lack of a better term, is ok?
-- iCEBaLM
If some spectater showed up and mid service, just kindof went "this is boring" and fragged the whole wedding party...
-- iCEBaLM
Completely wrong.
These "Jon Katz is an idiot" and "What horrible grammar!" are flamebait and offtopic, and I will moderate them as such.
-- iCEBaLM
This has been bugging me for quite some time.
I read most of Katz's articles, and I dont always agree with what he says, just like I wouldnt always agree with what my mom says, but I dont tell either that they're idiots.
After every article that Jon has a hand in, you always see the same things, "Katz is a moron", "What horrible grammar!", etc. Well I have one thing to say to that.
If you think he is a moron and writes with horrible grammar, stop reading his articles, dont waste hard drive space, bandwidth, and brain cells on reading it and flaming him as it does nobody any good.
I personally have no problem with Jon writing for slashdot, I couldnt care less about his grammar as long as I can understand his view points, and I dont care to read comments about how much of an idiot and how bad his grammar is. I'm sure many people agree with me.
These "Jon has bad grammar" and "Katz is an idiot" comments need to start being moderated down, and even if it costs me karma or lengthens my time between receiving moderator points, I'm going to practice what I preach when I can.
-- iCEBaLM