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Update on 'Blame Canada' and the Oscars
ahassel writes, "The IMDB has a an update on the controversy regarding the profanity in the song from South Park. It seems that Trey Parker, et al will not censor their own song; they will leave that task to ABC. They also comment on the irony that they are asked to censor a song from a movie about censorship. There are now three words on the chopping block, including "fart," of all things. The original article from today's Washington Post"
I'm liberal because I don't have a strong father figure, and I'm gonna become gay.
Me too! Wanna shag?
I thought it was funny, and I'm Canadian....
If Natalie Portman accidentally spills hot grits on the floor in the shape of a troll, is it art?
why dont' they just bleep the *bleep*ing *bleep* *bleep* things like they do on *bleeping*ing comedy *bleep* central?
This is funny. :)
http://www.lcr.org/
See, the real problem is the moderators don't want you to say "fucking" on slashdot. Hypocrites.
Um, no, actually a homosexual *can* get pregnant, being gay doesn't mean you're sterile, it means you prefer a partner of the same sex.
I realize that since you are a liberal, I am dealing with an individual of diminished mental capacity, but I feel that I must ask once again how two homosexuals can get pregnant. The liberal education system has managed to get "two daddies" the same Preferred Family status that "a daddy and a mommy" has, but the one thing that they haven't managed to pull out of their Magic Liberal Hat is the ability for homosexuals to impregnate each other. Let me explain: It takes a woman and a man to produce a pregnancy. Homosexual partners are, by definition, either two men or two women. In either case, one part of the equation is missing.
Does this make sense to you or shall I draw charts?
can be seen here , or maybe here.
this is disturbing
sweet!
The evidence is right before your eyes, man!
How blind can you really be?
Is that the gist of your argument?
You're the rocket scientist who's assuming they'll get each other pregnant. Sheesh. Ever heard of things like artificial ensemination and surrogacy?
s/Iranian/$AnyWhere/g;
That's because once someone turns 21 they figure they don't have to worry about it anymore and they forget about it.
Testify, brother! I'm 23, so I am just young enough to remember the horrible injustice. However I haven't done anything about it since I've spent the last two years drunk off my ass.
Ever heard of things like artificial ensemination and surrogacy?
.. it'll happen.
.. God is pro-tort-reform.
Yes, I have heard of these things, my friend, and do you know what they require? I'll tell you what they require, and perhaps we should say it together several times: A third-party heterosexual! Yes, that's right, not even the Liberal media has been able to repeal the laws of nature; even in this "permissive" climate of multiculturalism, you still need a normal person in order to produce a child! I'll bet the liberal trial lawyers will be filing suit against the Almighty to get this fundamental rule changed. Just you watch
Of course, it won't get them anywhere
For peat sake, let him be offended. It's just a stupid goverment. I'm actually rather socked how he doesn't get that "we" are on his side. Shessh...
Isn't implying the meaning of the words by rhyming just as bad as saying the words? The meaning is what's important, not how it's spelled. a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.
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Jesus Christ, man, you're offtopic, you got the lyrics WRONG, and you self-admittedly have no point.
Oh, for moderator points to put this down in Troll-zone. And the address of the ninny that moderated this up as 'Funny.' Friends, it's not funny when you cut and paste someone else's humor in and add no content of your own. It's just... stupid.
Me.
I do'nt think I'm being redundant... this whole issue is moot... ABC doesn't control what is allowed to be said...
"I have a budgie. His name is Onan."
"Why?"
"Because he keeps spilling his seed on the ground!"
Once again the Slashdot liberal zealots assume that because an opinion is expressed which does not fit their liberal world view, that person is attempting a parody.
Slashdot is so full of liberal bigots, it it becoming like a Democrat convention. I suggest you and your pro-profanity cohorts find another forum to promote your filth and excrescences. Slashdot does not need your foul-mouthed cursing liberal dogma here.
because it isn't there, barnacle breath.
I was drunk earlier but now I'm just thirsty as fuck, so I had to get up at 5 am to get a some water, now I can't get back to sleep. And my girlfriend was too tired for sex earlier, so maybe I'll go back to bed and stick it in her, she used to like when I just stuck it in her when she's sleeping but I never wake up in the middle of the night anymore to do it. And now my god damn dog is awake so of course she'll need to go out and shit before I can go back to bed or else she'll just sit up and fucking cry until I take her out. Damn this water is good, but now I'm going to be all waterlogged and probably have to get up in an hour to piss it all out. Then I'll be too tired to get up and go to the gym in the morning because I woke up at 5 fucking am because I was parched. God damnit, I've got too much shit to do in the morning, why did I have to wake up at 5 fucking am? Anyways, cool message board, found it on Slashdot while reading about the South Park song. Hmm..which reminds me, maybe I'll go have some grits, if I even knew what the hell they tasted like. I prefer oatmeal myself, pretty healthy food there that oatmeal is. Hey I know, I'll copy this message to Slashdot too so maybe we can start out own drunken thread and get our Karma destroyed. Maybe I'll make my own Slashdot site specifically for drunked postings. LOL! I've already got Squishdot on a server ready to go. HAHA, cool. I guess I've had enough water now and I'm getting a little sleepy. At least I'm not shitting out that Mexican crap I had last night, but boy was it good. But they server me semi-warm beer and I drank it anyways cuz I didn't really care. And they made one strong margerita, normally they barely put any tequila in but OH BOY did they put alot in this one. It made the hair on my chest stand up. OK, to my homies out there in Internet land, peace out, bla bla bla...
If this isn't trolling and you're serious then you've blown my mind. Swearing can lead to homosexuality and/or pregnancy? Swearing can make someone want to have a baby? These are the most ludicrous claims I've heard of since... since..............
What are you smoking?
Hey dude, I think I broke your message board. Whenever I post it just changes the Name: field on the top message to my name, but leaves the old message there and discards my new message. Cool though, since I'm really tired and don't really care enough to do
Once again, people are pigeonholing others into two broad categories.
Liberal-Conservative. Democrat-Republican. Left-Right.
Perhaps a great many people don't fall under ANY category that can be named.
BTW,FYI: Republicans and Democrats only exist in ONE country on earth. Why pigeonhole?
You are not. Homosexuality and conservatism are not physiologically compatible. The best analogy I can come up with is this: When software and hardware engineers design traffic lights, they design them so that it is mechanically impossible for the lights to be green in both directions. That way, even if there is for some reason a software error that attempts to make the lights green from both directions, the attempt will fail because it is disallowed by the very design of the traffic light. Same goes for people. The noble cause of conservatism is not compatible with the liberal cause of homosexuality. You must just be confused, dude.
Drunken /. thread Haha, I can still do HTML when I'm drunk!
No, it doesn't take a third party heterosexual. A lesbian couple can get sperm from a homosexual man, can they not? A gay male couple can have a homosexual female act as a surrogate. (although they can't both pass on their genes to a child. Alternate the biological father for the next child :) )
Going back through history, everyone has some heterosexual ancestors, so in that respect it took a heterosexual coupling. But with technology constantly advancing, it is only a matter of time until a child can be created from the sperm or dna of two men or two women.
a funny way to handle it might be to stop, and make a quip about the censoring polity ABC imposes upon the nominations. this would be funny, and also fit in with the "poking fun at censorship" theme.. would make a very strong point to those who usually favor censorship... how can you have a favorite show that nominated something "obscene"?? just dosn't work out..
Did God condemn all of the ancient Greeks (not geeks! :) ) for not worshipping him or acknowledging him as their one true God? Hmmm?
Do you believe in Zeus or Ouranos ? Maybe they'll condemn you!
The WP is owned by Communists, K Graham for one.
Sir, knowledge is also beyond you.
While I'm sure that you spent hours concocting this sordid scenario, I feel that I must point out that it is still not valid. Presumably, this operation would involve a deposit into a container such as a specimen cup. Neutral objects are heterosexual by nature, because it is the standard, default sexuality. Therefore, the gay man would be depositing his semen in a heterosexual object. So there is still a heterosexual third party.
Next?
. . . If I trolled your ass that well
It was a troll, get it? The top post was a troll, and when it got down-moderated, I stayed in character and trolled the moderators. Duh.
Whistle while you work
Hitler is a jerk
Mussolini bit his weenie
Now it doesn't work
Here's a question for you: In other languages, People refer to objects with articles that have Gender. So, since all these inanimate objects have a gender, and assuming that you (who are thoroughly educated by these "scriptures"-I can only assume you're not talking about the Torah or the Koran) are correct about heterosexuality in inanimate objects, Is it wrong for two objects of the same gender to interact with one another? For instance, the French word for fork takes a female article, as does the word for salad. Does that make it a crime against nature to plunge my fork into the crisp freshness of a nice salad? If so, send me to hell. I like lettuce. Sue me.
They want to censor the words to protect kids, right? I just want to know what kids watch the Oscars anyway. Before I was 20, you couldn't have paid me enough!
inanimate objects don't have a gender bias.
Correct. Since they are unbiased, they revert to the default: Heterosexual. Only animate objects (liberals, minorities, etc.) are capable of bias and bigotry against heterosexuals. "Bias" is the desire to defraud a person or thing of his or its natural rights. For example, approval of "gay 'marraige'" is an instance of bias against heterosexuals, because it seeks to undermine the value of their normal, healthy marraiges by diluting and corrupting the institution of marraige. Don't tell me otherwise. Think about counterfeit currency: It's the same principle. If a criminal releases counterfeit money into the national cash supply, my money and yours is worth less thereby, due to inflation. This is why a homosexual "family" is a bigoted attack on my family, and defective "children" reared by homosexuals are a bigoted attack on my children. This is why we must defend ourselves.
Well, I love swearing, but I have to say that South Park bleeped out is /way/ funnier than the way it was done in the film (ie no bleeping). That was funny for the first few times, then it was lost. It's much more entertaining when the kids are being bleeped and it goes on for ages! Left to the imagination, and all that... Do they show the TV series unbleeped in the US?
What the [cuss word deleted]? A neutral object is hetersexual in nature?
Yes, that's correct; heterosexuality is the orientation that is sanctioned both by nature and Scripture. Thus, you would expect it to be held for all objects and beings, sentient or not. This is not that difficult of a concept to deal with.
Learn to spell troll. It's kuro5hin.org, not kuro5shin.org. Thanks for making people hate that site. Your work here is done. Now leave. WWBBD?
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WTF? How long did it take you to write this?
If you replace various words in a poem with rough synonyms, some of the meaning is lost. If you replace words we find funny with synonuyms, the humour is lost.
Damn I just ran through an entire argument with a teacher for saying that:
Teach: What did you say?
Me: I said 'Could you repeat that, woman?'
T: How dare you, that is very offensive.
M: How is that any more offensive then me saying 'Hey man' to my friend?
It would only go downhill and I know it.
wow.. i just can't belive there are still countries where they censor bad words on the movies, radio and tv... here in my place saying cock, fuck, dick, shit, motherfucker is perfectly ok.. infact it is illegal to pre-examine any material for "bad things" before airing or printing them and by doing this (examine the material) you violate the constitution :) hahahaha.. poor you ppl
It's either the 'late night' effect - you know, the one that makes people stay up to watch Leno, Dave and the piece of crap formerly known as SnL...
Or, it's Y2K.
DON'T LIKE SLASHDOT? THINK TACO SOLDOUT? SICK OF TROLLS? ETC? TRY KURO5HIN.ORG - it's like pre-Slashdot again, but with the good parts that modern Slashdot has!
;))
Keep Slashdot as your browser's homepage, but bookmark that site and help it grow until it overtakes Slashdot - which it will.
My only gripe about this site is the *extremely* stupid name (aliases are bad enough - but a popular site based on your alias? woo. prepare to get a new alias, 'cause yours no longer means anything
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"I find it rather amusing that this song could be a source of censorship, when all throughout the movie it is constantly renouncing the idea of censoring."
Isn't this sentiment already present in the blurb at the head of this entire thread?
Do moderators read the blurbs or just the headings?
The word crap isnt really an obscenity, though, y ou know. The modern flush toilet was invented by a man by the name of Crapper.
I'm not sure his heirs are happy about it, but it's not really a 'dirty' word in the classic sense.
yummy pussy ;-)
in the grim world of hello kitty there is only war
That reminds me of this.
My memory may be deceiving me, but if I recall correctly, the _Washington Post_ is owned by the Unification Church (the "Moonies") ... why one would mistake them for Communists is beyond me.
Yeah, it's the millivanillium mind bug.
It's amusing how the only people who ever put out "what is the significance of age" arguements are people who are underage.
There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not these posts are intended to be taken seriously. I certainly hope not; I find it hard to believe that anyone can be this stupid, even a conservative American.
That's a good reverse .sig Maybe some content in the next post.
The conservatives would like that too. It would get them permanently blackballed from Hollywood and television. That would make a lot of censors happy. And it would set a real precedent.
It's certanily less obscene than "tart"...
It all stems from the fundamentally flawed belief that morals can be imposed with a stick and a carrot.
Bullshit.
-- 20-year-old, of legal age around here.
A stick and a carrot? No wonder kids are so screwed up. What you really need is a bullwhip.
But if God loves everybody, he must be bisexual.
Nonsense. Only an incurable, barefaced liberal would conflate love in the religious sense with sexual lust. You, sir, are a mental and moral cripple.
i've just poured mealworms on my toes and inserted my toes into my Cuckatoo's cage. needless to say, I no longer possess toes.
thank you
This should be moderated to (-1, just plain dumb) seriously though, you really are fucking stupid
That isn't irony,
go back to enligh 101 and find out what irony is
It's astounding that piss is a dirty word.
After all, it's in the Bible.
Twice!
I wouldn't say the post was "insightfu", but it definetely seems to be stating the truth. Slashdot seems to be way on the left spectrum of things. More lefty than even the euros it seems. Just look over the posts in this forum and look at the ones that were moderated up. Most of the posts take a stance from the left, and most of the ones that were moderated up are from the left. What more evidence do you want.
Or, on the other hand, we may be as goddamn sick of Anne Murray and Celine Dion as you are. :-)
Hell, on Degrassi High (A show which takes place in the 80s and is aimes at Canadian Teenagers), you hear swears all the time, the last episode was the only one with "fuck" in it though. "Tesse Capinle? YOU FUCKED Tesse Capinle???"
and tits doesn't even belong on the list
Watching the United States of Amerifart and all of Northern Amerifart get steamed up over four letter words - it's so pathetic.
My friend has very long and nasty toes. His name is longtoez or toez (pronounced TOE-EZZ) for short. Maybe I'll try this with his toes. I think I'll probably need to replace the bird with an alligator and the mealworms with fresh steaks. I'm just afraid the nastiness of his toes will kill the alligator.
I am so tired of this whole political correctness shit. I am 14 and I'm tired of hearing words bleeped out and shit. I cuss more than anyone, and I'm not a bad person. The very fact that simple words can be a gateway to drugs/homosexuality (?) and other "evil" things in absurd. They're WORDS for gods sake! take everything with a grain of salt. Why just today I was walking to school and I saw a guy fixing a pipe drop a wrench on his foot, and he yelled out "fuck!". Am I completely warped because of that? no, I'm not. I'm tired of obsessed parents sheltering their children from the world, then just unleashing them when they're 18 and wondering why they crawl back and end up living with the parents the rest of their lives. The fact is, they will experience this someday, so you might as just get them used to it, because cussing wont be gone for a long, long time god damn it! :)
I would love to see them agree with to all requeests concerning sensoring of their song... Then when it comes time for the performance sing uncle fucka as it is being broadcast live, internationally... they could get at least half way through the song before anyone could interfere
Boy, oh, boy. You step away from the liberal party line around here and ZAP, -1.
Have any of you people ever, even for a moment, considered the possibility of trying to have an open mind, just for a second? No, never? Didn't think so.
You accuse conservatives of being repressive, but all the censorship I see is pure liberal. And naturally you accuse us of being hypocrites as well!
Typical.
Thank you.
fuck is the worst word that you can say.
(fuck is the worst word that you can say.)
You can do it, it's all up to you, m'kay?
.... Office Space was STILL one of the lamest movies ever - not deserving of it's own troll to be sure.
Probably best not to ask someone if you have a cute bum then...
The hypocrisy, you know, nobody is allowed to say "curse words" (even the term curse words shows you how evil they are) even thought everybody says them. My favorite line was from my mom. "Don't ever fucking say that again!" But then when you "grow up," passing the magical age barrier, you can suddenly "curse." Just like once you turn 18 you can magically buy cigarettes, or when you turn 21 you are now automagically mature enough to drink alcohol. Or how about sex. If you're 20 and have sex with a girl who's 17 it can be considered statutory rape. But as soon as she turns 18, it's no longer rape, because now she is magically an adult.
What is the significance of age? "Hey, the earth has gone around the sun 18 complete times since I was born! I am now an adult!" This is just ridiculous. Age should be a guide. And what in god-damed fucking hell is so motherfucking bad about "cursing"? I can see that some people would think it rude, but how can you outlaw rudeness? Free speech indeed.
We shouldn't say Censor, no we shouldn't say Censor, Censor No!!!!
... Hmmm... Just doesn't have the same ring, does it? Oh well. Suck my bum!
I think a lot of people are too quick to call censorship. In most of the free world, censorship is really not a major problem. In some countries, you can actually be banned from watching some movie or playing some game. That is censorship and is wrong. They may be cleaning up "Blame Canada" for the sake of television, but that does not mean there is anyone stopping you from seeing the full, unedited version if that's what you want. The rewrite of "Blame Canada" is not censorship. It is merely being cleaned up because it would be in very poor taste to run a song full of obscenities on what is supposed to be a dignified awards show. Besides, if the song is really funny (unfortunately, I never got around to seeing the movie), it will be funny without the curses.
A bum over here is someone who lies in the street peeing in his pants.
Hmm. Something must have gotten lost in the British-American translation. Here, we call those people "Jon Katz".
Thank you
We can still get our fart jokes on nickelodean
> .... this Communistic paper :/
You're an idiot troll. You wouldn't know communist
even if it bit you in the ass!
You're an illiterate as well:
it's communist, not communistic.
Let's blame her, too
You are fucked in the head.
because I have no idea what your talking about
I for one happen to agree with the above post, which in my opinion shouldn't have been moderated down in the first place. Bad moderators! Bad!
What sterotypical bullshit. I happen to be Iranian and know that many of us, including I, happen to value freedom of speech, perhaps more then most Americans. The only people who are seen as repressive, even by there own Iranian people, are older, more religious Iranian men who seem to think that being opressive is tradition.
That bit about the word "fart" leading to harder cussing, then leading to crime/pregnancy/abortion/liberalism/ad infinitum is total bullshit. I guarauntee you 99.9% of american 10 year olds know the words "fart", "fuck", and "bitch". Profanity is totally harmless. The notion that it LEADS TO crime/pregnancy/liberalism etc. is totally illogical and wrong. By the way, who the hell said liberalism was wrong? I'm not a liberal, but it IS a valid philosophy, and not just a bad name to label someone. And the "CUSSING OFTEN LEADS TO HOMOSEXUALITY" bit? ROTFLMAO! That is total bullshit! what the hell wrere you thinking? I cuss all a fucking want to every fucking day, and i am straight, I have never even shoplifted, I have not gotten someone pregnant/etc. (although I am pro-Choice, but thats a whole different debate.), and I am not a liberal. (vote for Al Gore or dig your own grave by fucking up the environment. your choice.) I bet there are millions of people like me in the United States, too. Your accusations are wild, illogical, and bordering on zealous idiocy. Take your scapegoating elsewhere.
Nice job AC, you got 2 other ACs and a real live registered user.
I guess that's the problem with all the so-called trolls here who just post stupid crap. It causes people to be less able to recognize what a troll actually is.
I thought the sarcasm was pretty evident. I hope those who responded feel very stupid now and will think before posting next time.
now to me that sounds like Sheila Brovlowski (kyle's Mom) she had exactly the same opinion about censorship and look what happened. A war against canada and Satin
.. I can handle cotton and wool .. on good days I don't even mind vinyl and suede .. hell, I've even been known to experiment with Naugahyde .. but oh, Jesus .. not satin! Nooooooo, not satin!
Oh, Christ
Anonymous Coward runs frightened into the wilderness
Your ban may have been more effective if your mind worked. Troll!
Nope, no content. Please join me in reaming rain man and a tart bloke in solitary confinement
The subject says it all. :-)
WTF? How long did it take you to write this?
Longer than I'll admit to. I orginally did it with an ASCII editor, but after I pasted into the comments box and hit "preview", I discovered the HTML converter/filter used in the "post comments" section (which I assume is also used to weed out HTML that slash considers 'illegal' in a comment) is terribly broken. Eventually I figured out the funky way that it interprets escape sequences and line breaks, and I was able to fix it.
It goes without saying that after doing that much work, I'll be using this troll a lot...
Rob, if you're reading this, I'm not sure if you made that HTML converter broken on purpose to discourage trolls like me, but I'm almost annoyed enough to download the Slash code and fix it myself. Specifically, the problem occurs when using multiple escaped spaces (as in nbsp;) interseeded with real spaces and EOLs. I'm not sure if it's something in the code itself, or just one of those random HTML flukes that we all love so much, but it was pissing me off for a few minutes there.
And Emmett, if you're reading this, it's me, your old pal JC. I'm always on the bleeding edge of trolling, eh? Hey, it's better then VA Linux Systems, right? ;-) Really, Katz has been asking for it lately. That Scream 3 crap? Come on...
Wood switch quick lick fine as a fjord, given what it has slain going legal for real abuse. "Love the toe, sir. Bust a stitch." And I meant that with a straight face.
So let me get this straight. If someones hears the word "fart", bleeped out, it's going to turn them into a homosexual, get them pregnant, make them a liberal? Oh my gosh...
... homosexuals can't get pregnant, silly.
Um, no
You're right about the liberals, though.
Why don't look up illerate in a dictionary? Oh, sorry. Obligatory Princess Bride quote.
I'm liberal because I don't have a strong father figure, and I'm gonna become gay.
How many conservative homosexuals do you know, Jeff? Well? How many?
Um, no, actually a homosexual *can* get pregnant, being gay doesn't mean you're sterile, it means you prefer a partner of the same sex.
well here is the deal, i'm in college, and i am really drunk right now, and i will continue drinking. and i felt like posting a fucking drunken message to slashdot. if you are drunk, post a message to my drunken msg board: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ajh5s/mb2.cgi?name =VIEW
my other penis is a vagina
The Washington Post has a very very long tradition of not including _ANY_ profanity what so ever. _ANY_ profanity. This is acutaly the only redeeming thing about this Communistic paper :/
Yeah Southpark is real important stuff. What's with all the Southpark articles? Does anybody really care? Maybe we should all waste some more time talking about stupid shows. Ooh I know let's talk about Beavis and Butthead. yeah yeah, fire. yeah.
Doesn't ABC own the show NYPD Blue? I hear that cop guy calls people an "asshole" every once in a while. Interesting they don't censor that.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
That the south park movie is not about censorship - it about making a movie that immature people (of all ages) will watch and enjoy, preferably leaving a bit of money behind in the process.
Which, of course, does not make it less enjoyable in any way :)
I'm only going to say this about drugs, kids... STAY AWAY FROM THEM! There's a time and a place for everything.... and it called "college
Judge Pag, the Learned, Impartial, and Very Relaxed
Why the fsck is this funny? Moderators are idotas.
Moderate this down to (Score:-1,Troll)
Trollz rool.
You know, this kind of discussions is what makes us outside the US wonder what's up with that society you got there...
(Directed to those who thing that a little swearwords will harm people... the rest of you, no offense)
I mean, seems it's perfectly ok to blow people's heads off... but farts... now that's going too far.
It's interesting to see how the diffences between how people judge this sort of content in different parts of the world. Here in Sweden, the age rating for South Park is seven year olds... even Kyle/Kenny/Stan/Cartman would get in.
Knowing how to say the word 'fuck' will not lead kids down the dark path to liberalism, nor will it turn them into democrats.
This is an interesting statement, but I wonder how well you've thought it through. Let me ask you the same question in a slightly different way: do you know a liberal that does not swear? For years, psychologists have been trying to isolate the reason why people turn to liberalism and/or the Democratic party. And for years, the same liberal apologists have attempted to claim that liberalism is genetic, that some children are born predisposed to liberalism by virtue of their hereditary traits.
Naturally, real scientists don't believe such garbage, and so the consensus is that liberalism is generally caused by a series of environmental factors, the largest of which is family environment. The lack of a strong central father figure often leads children to believe that their needs should be attended to be an outside entity; when they grow up and become politically mature, that belief manifests itself in a political orientation that calls for larger government. In addition, constant exposure to shocking language (such as the word that rhymes with "luck") often de-sensitizes children to other shocking societal problems such as abortion and homosexuality.
So the result is a person that wants bigger and more intrusive government (and therefore higher taxes) and not only accepts but embraces the horrors of multiculturalism and infanticide. In other words, a liberal. So you can definitely say that there is actual scientific evidence that links swearing with liberalism. However, I doubt you'll accept it.
Years ago I dug a record out of the 99 cent bin at the local grocery store. It had one song suggesting we would be better off if President Nixon would use words like shit instead of megadeath. How come the sensors don't take offense to "ethnic cleansing"? Do they still giggle like school girls when they hear someone fart? It's not like EVERYONE doesn't do it from time to time. I wish what to call a fart was the worst thing going on in my life. A rose is a rose.....
Hrm, I suggest you pull your head up on outta your ass. The TV-Ratings system is no where near as restrictive as the MPAA (thank god for that one). Case-in-point, the Friar's Club Roast of Jerry Stiller had more fucks-per-minute (FPM's) than any episode of south park I've ever seen, and it was only rated TV-14. That's right. Hell, watch COPS some time. Bleeps out the wazoo, and that's TV-PG. The TV-Ratings is just a suggestion whenever it comes to bleeped material. If you ever watch Tracy Ullman on HBO, I saw an episode where they said fuck, twice, unbleeped, and it was only TV-14...that might have been for the fact that it's on HBO, but then again it may not have. So, in summation, the TV-Ratings system is just a ploy of the *cringe* *spit* *puke* American Family Association.
Dyslexic.
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but go figure, those are the ones they came up with.
They? "They" is George Carlin. He sat down and thought about what words couldn't be said on tv. His seven words are the foundation of a supreme court ruling. Somehow his drug induced comedy routine is the basis of the supreme court ruling. At least he gets a good laugh out of it.
I, for one, would pay to hear that duet sing "Blame Canada."
I moderated you down as an off-topic troll, but then figured that a crude song from the 1940s was probably appropriate to this forum.
This comment should undo it.
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From the Washington Post article:
...specifically those that rhyme with "luck," "witch" and "tart."
The only one of these three that does not have a negative connotation is luck. Bitch and witch can be used interchangeably. And tart, in a different context, is not a very friendly word. Couldn't they have used cart?
You have got to wonder about newspaper editors sometimes.
"Original Song" is for music with words. "Duel of the Fates" would fall under the category of "Original Score." Other than DotF, the Phantom Menace score just wasn't that good...
I think there is insight in the message for the liberal moderators it is targeted towards. Most of them are so dumb they didn't think of that, and needed to have it pointed out.
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I don't know about Canada but I was born and lived in Italy for 30 years and I can confirm that USA is one of the countries with highest rate of censorship in the western world. How this is tollerated, even requested, in a land that poses so much importance on freedom of speech, it's a mistery to me. I used to joke about it and call USA the "Afghanistan of the western world" ;).
Censorship is just another way of doing control and should not be tolerated by any true democracy.
What I'm hoping for is that someone like the independent novie chanel goes online. Thatway we could watch lowbudget (done for the love or fun of it) flicks like we listen to MP3s now.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Maybe next they'll paste a blotter over Mona Lisa's cleavage. If the Oscars are about honoring the best in Cinema and if they agree that a SouthPark song qualifies, they should'nt censor it.
But we all know the truth. The best movie doesn't win at the Oscars. The most popular or lucrative does. I wouldn't be the first to point out that nominating SouthPark is more a tool to draw viewership from the Gen-X crowd than truely admitting that somthing so crude has real cultural value.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Please join me in singing "Blame Canada", the Fart Joke's Solidarity Front's theme song.
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Well, speaking as a Canadian, I can reassure you that from what I've seen, Canadians aren't offended by ``Blame Canada.'' Not even Anne Murray. :-)
Teach your kids: "C++ made baby Jesus cry."
It sucked in comparison, but the point was good.
Besides, how can you top such an instant classic like Uncle Fucka?
Trey and MATT, dude... Dunno who Brad is. :-)
I agree though, bleeping would do everyone good, including, as you mentioned, adding to it's comedic value.
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They should just change 'bitch' to bich, 'cause bich is latin for 'generosity', and they should not say 'fuck' anymore. That'd suffice.
I certainly hope that this is meant as parody. "stepping stone words" leading to harder language?! Get real.
Words are not now and have never been a problem. If a kid has trouble detecting what form of speech is appropriate for a particular time and place, that kid needs some educating. Knowing how to say the word 'fuck' will not lead kids down the dark path to liberalism, nor will it turn them into democrats.
Again, get real.
The song makes fun of American parents, religious-right appropriateness freaks and the politically-correct-enabled. These folks would rather point a finger at ANYTHING, even something as innocuous as Canada, rather than take responsibility for their own actions.
:) It might as well have been "Blame Poland", but everyone knows lots of Polish jokes, so it wouldn't be funny. It could have been "Blame Israel", but frankly, the movie would have never gotten made. It could have been "Blame Elbonia", but you can't wage war against the Elbonians without involving Dogbert, and possibly Soctt Adams' army of rabid lawyers (though somehow, I think he'd go along with it).
Remember Columbine? They blamed the Internet, Doom, Goth sub-culture, trench-coats, drugs, ADD, peer pressure, jocks... Few people asked: What are these kids parents like? What about school administrators and teachers? How did THEY treat these (arguably fucked up) kids?
Several years ago, a kid killed himself. The kid was into heavy metal, so the parents came to the 'logical conclusion', and sued Judas Priest or Ozzy Osbourne, or some other 'artist' whose hm song suggested suicide.
A couple months later, in a very quiet development, it turned out that the kids parents were both having affairs, going through a messy divorce, and using the kid to score points against one another. Yeah, it was Ozzys fault.
So "Blame Canada" may be offensive to Canadians, but that's a bonus, not it's intention.
Blaming Canada is the right thing to do. They may not warp our fragile little minds as much as we'd like to think, but they must deserve it for SOMETHING. I mean, Brian Adams!! Ferchrissakes!!
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It's all Peter Jennings' doing. Now that David Brinkley has retired, Peter can get away with pushing his Canadiocentric viewpoint on the US.
It's amusing how the only people who ever put out "what is the significance of age" arguements are people who are underage.
That's because once someone turns 21 they figure they don't have to worry about it anymore and they forget about it.
I'm 21 and I know there's a lot of bullshit out there...course it helps that my sister is just turning 16 and vents her frustrations to me.......
But we all know the truth. The best movie doesn't win at the Oscars. The most popular or lucrative does.
Its all a conspiracy man. How else could "Shakespear in Love" beat out "Saving Private Ryan" last year.
That made me lose all respect for the Oscars, and Catherine Keener's nomination for Best Supporting Actress cemented it. She played Maxine in "Being John Malcovich", a really dumb movie.....the only funny parts were hearing Cameron Diaz say "suck my dick!" and the scenes with Charlie Sheen musing on dead lesbian witches.
That, and Billy Crystal is not, nor has he ever been, funny or a good host of the Oscars.
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I guess they didn't want to say "clitoris." It would probably have all of IMDB.com banned by the censorware.
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find it odd that the newspaper felt it could not publish the word that rhymed with "tart"?
*puzzled look* When, exactly, did this word become obscene?
Man, what a total bastardizaton of that song...
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PS. Can I say bastardization on TV?
For the song lyrics, see the following:
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Conan O'Brien et al
Dan Rather is from Texas, so he doesn't qualify. Peter Jennings is from Ottawa, though, so he'd be fine.
I'd also like to nominate Amanda Marshall or Chantal Kreviazuk to sing this song...not as well known in the States yet, but they're both at least as good Celine Dion or Sarah Maclachlan, and haven't we heard enough from them already?
Perhaps /. needs a new Score catagory of (Score: 5 Ironic)
They can do it. It's all up to them! M'kay?
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
Is it just me, or has the ability of the average Slashdot poster to discern humour from trolling stupidity fallen well below a healthy level since Jan. 1?
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
Switch, Stitch, Rich, Kitsch, Itch, Glitch
Also Which, but that sounds like Witch
Would titch qualify as a word, given that it's slang only people over 50 use? "Move that over, just a titch."
Anyway...
Hands in my pocket
Precisely so. The thing about artists and writers and creative people is that they have the license to create at their free will. If the Oscar people didn't like the song the way it is/was, then why did they nominate it?
Furthermore, to censor the song would be to alter it from its original & pure state, and to thus make a new entity of it, a lesser entity that doesn't represent the inspiration of Trey's that made him make it.
Darn upon censorship and those anal retentive peoples....
Insert mind here.
"Oh, I hope he doesn't give us halyatchkies," said Heinrich.
Kinda makes you wish for an "unsend" button eh? Pretty funny stuff. :)
they dont say "fuck no", they say "heck no" =P just a technicality
NEVER sing blame canada in front of a croud of canucks. NOT A GOOD IDEA! (am now trying to get shoulder back in socket)
The above message contains no insight, just accusations.
Insight requires, by definition, a revelation or some expository function. The above post merely states an opinion as fact with no supporting evidence. It barely makes sense.
Don't be fooled.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
Don't forget that the CRTC loosened the rules enough that you can run uncensored music on the radio, whenever the hell you want to, and television broadcasts don't have to be bleeped at all after 9. I was very surprised when my South Park tapes were full of bleeps.
Intolerant people should be shot.
Ever heard of a language barrier? Non-native english speakers don't always follow what you say exactly on the first try.
Intolerant people should be shot.
Hmm. Maybe in ten years time, the Iranians (with their new government now) will look at the US as the represive fanatics...
Intolerant people should be shot.
I apologize for any offense. That is what I was talking about. The older, conservative religous men who have recently been outsted from power by far less repressive leaders. At the same time, America has more repressive leaders gaining power.
Intolerant people should be shot.
Yeah, the CRTC has rules about Canadian content. Of course, we will be seeing the Oscars, the same as we do every year. Too bad they weren't being produced here though. There wouldn't be any issue of censoring or altering the lyrics of the song. God it's nice to live in a free country...
Intolerant people should be shot.
Ever since we lost the X-Files, Hollywood hasn't seemed that Canadian anymore.
:)
As it's not possible for it to be performed live, I suggest getting a medley of Canadian singers to perform the song. Just think of it:
Anne Murray
Rita McNeil
Jim Carey
Mike Myers
Alanis Morrisette
Geddy Lee, and the rest of Rush
and of course, the one and only
William Shatner
And the whole thing could be introduced by Morely Safer or Dan Rather...
Bravo for bringing the Great White North back to the forefront!
I would point out that this was a PG-13 movie, even if they both need to be censored in order to appeal to network audiences. Wouldn't this be an actual real use of 500 channels, to broadcast two audio streams, one sanitized and one uncut? Hell, with enough synchronization, I bet you could do it through WebTV.
Walt
That's a good idea! I'll have to enact such a ban here, too. I wonder if Junkbuster could be pounded into blocking sites that score below X% on a grammar check. :)
Have you actually listened to the song? It doesn't ridicule Canada, it clearly makes fun of parents who love to pass the buck on blame when it comes to their children's behavior.
If ABC is successful in preventing those terrible words from reaching our ears, where will censorship end? Censorship of words is just a stepping stone to other forms of censorship. Just think of the effects on American culture if TV networks refused to show people killing other people. The citizenery may view killing as repugnant. Police officers may be found guilty of killing citizens who show their wallets, 6 year old school children would have to vent their anger in other ways, patients released from psychiatric institutions and further medical care would have to use knives to kill other people, and, -horrors - the NRA would lose money. Politicians would go deeper in campaign debt. So, ABC, keep up the good work, continue to show those killings but keep those nast dirty words off the air.
What ABC is doing is attempting to protect children. And that's what it's all about. We must stop dirty language from reaching our children's ears... now to me that sounds like Sheila Brovlowski (kyle's Mom) she had exactly the same opinion about censorship and look what happened. A war against canada and Satin (and even worse) Sadaam wreaking havoc on earth. everyone has a right to free speech.. ABC could just show a censorship notice before the song is played warning everyone it will contain a few profanities. alright ive said my piece ciao
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You know the Man I'm taking about. He's the Man who won't let a "TV-M" rated show play until after 10 pm.
He's the same man that says the word "fart" makes a formerly PG show get a TV-M rating.
Hmmm... so let me get your point straight... you are saying Parker's hands should be tied because ABC's hands are tied... because of The Man.
Yes, censorship does have it's place, but there's a subtle difference between playing pornography on prime time TV and "Blame Canada". Maybe this gives us the chance for Americans to
question their (somewhat conservative) assumptions about censorship on television. As a Canadian, I find it funny at time just how overly prudent your networks are. Ah, but you can always blame me... I'm Canadian.
Wanna have alot of fun? Call your high school teachers "woman".
:)
I used to do it when I was in high school, got me detention more than once
I mean comeon, who tries to censor and cover up more than the American media? I've seen America called the most conservative country in the world a bunch of times now (*cough* Clinton + Lewinsky *cough*).
I don't know, I'm American, so I can't tell if Canada is much better.
The song isn't about Canada, it's about the tendency of American culture to blame things for its problems. Anybody who actually saw the movie would probably agree with me on this. While, of course, the movie takes a few potshots at Canada, it takes just as many potshots at America (ex: we have the weapons, but we have the stupid celebrities, too - Canada probably comes out on top on that one, I think :) ) that's not what it's about. Canada's just an easy target, and the point of the song is that Canada hasn't even done anything wrong, and doesn't even have anything to do with it.
I would venture to say that taking offense at that song is the most American thing you've done today. Because the simple fact is that, although Canada does get poked fun at a bit here in the States, my personal experience has actually been that the real perception of Canada is that it's a nice place to live and work and play, and is, if not better than the States, certainly about as nice.
Maybe we're jealous, I don't know, but suffice to say, you shouldn't take our little jokes like this too seriously, or you're in serious danger of becoming truly American in your mindset. And don't we both know what a pity that would be.
Which is altogether ironic in itself.
Anyways, I'll go hide my head now. Of course, it *is* funny that I already got moderated up as insightful...:)
I've found that in the U.S., arse is often used as a substitute for ass in places where ass might be censored.
;P
I guess that behavior will have to stop as soon as our censors find out about the usage of arse in the UK
That said, I would think that a better way for ABC to handle it is to drop the musical numbers for all songs, such that they don't have to worry about playing it, but not play any of the others, as to be fair. Rewriting the song to avoid censoring is IMO a bad choice, as that can ruin the effect of the song in the first place.
I agree with your statement regarding censorship -- but they can't just drop all the songs, it's one of their hallmarks.
A better solution would be to play the song as is but just "bleep" out the offending words when the orignal song lyrics are performed. That way, no one in TV-land can be offended if they successfully "bleep" (put it on a few second time delay or whatever) and they don't force the artist to censor his own work. It's the simplist solution -- that's why the "bleep" was invented in the first place!
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You've got a huge point there. ABC makes some stupid mistakes when they edit. See Volcano a while back? They cut out anything the LEAST bit unsettling. ABC does some stupid things, but their editing is the worst. Damn family channel. Or should I call it "ram" family channel?
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Thank goodness another song from the movie "Uncle fucker" was not nominated ABC would have to play the longest bleep in the history of television
I'm an American born and raised here, so I think I'm qualified to answer this. "Ass" is far more common than "arse" here, but since "arse" isn't a native swear word, it has less of an impact when it IS used.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I'm not a big fan of Bowdlerisation, but this notion of the purity of art is incredibly naive.
In the last half century or so the idea that art can be rated as absolutely 'better' or 'worse' has taken a real beating, and with good reason. But at the same time people get more and more uptight about the original form of art, and presenting it as the author intended. A couple examples:
These people have screwed up because they ignore the importance of the audience. Real art is not just intellectual masturbation. It comes from the artist, but it must go to an audience who interprets it. At some point the art must stand on its own. Art which lasts and is appreciated through the ages (Homer, Shakespeare, Corelli, Michelangelo) is bold and vigorous.
Shakespeare's work has been cut, augmented, rewritten, and second-guessed for centuries. The first productions were all-male. You can still see all-male performances, but you can also find all-transvesitite performances, (which makes Twelfth Night even more interesting) there are traditional texts, hip, updated texts, and thematic adaptations that are new works in their own right. Shakespeare's work is great not in spite of these changes, but through them.
Great art lives because of new viewers and new interpretations. Not all changes to art are for the better, and it will suffer if only censored versions are available. But if the work is truly great, alterate versions and interpretations can only add to its richness.
I sure don't mind if Matt and Trey make a milder version for the tightass Academy. After all, it will only encourage more people to get the movie and enjoy it for themselves.
That would mean that you probably couldn't read half of the posts placed here on Slashdot
We won't even start on poor Mr. Katz...
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But profanity is a consentual crime -- there's no real victim. If those subjected to its presence choose to pick it up, that's their choice.
Why not just put a brief disclaimer bringing attention to the nature of the song prior to airing it. Oh, I know why... it makes too much sense. Cynical Sarcasm, or Sarcastic Cynisism? You decide. -- din
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Remember who owns ABC? Disney. Maybe that's why they have to be so careful? Although I thought ABC and Disney were related to Paramount which has put out lots of movies that were R...maybe worse? I dunno. Also, these are broadcast stations, they have to try to appeal to as many people as possible. And even if they do turn some people off because they are lot liberal enough, they will still look good because you can't say "Hey, you cut out all of the cuss words!! That's wrong!!!" They |did/will do| the right thing either way by being so picky.
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Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
Fart is stupid. Who doesn't say fart? You can't very well say flatulence in a song. What real word rhymes with that?
They (ABC) have a point with fuck. It's one of the seven deadly words. It's not ABC's fault that Tipper Gore and the rest of the Washington big wigs have their head us their asses (bums?). But honestly, will the government revoke ABC's liscence for this?
This could be the ultimate solution right here: The show usually runs well past 10:00, right? Why not reserve 'Blame Canada' for a more appropriate hour? Then fart and bitch wouldn't be in question (I assume).
But then there's the time zone problem...
I tried...
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Drop the
OK, so everyone who thinks of himself putting his right (or left) hand in his pants and slowly starts jurking off when someone tells him to fuck off, raise hands now.
Noone?
Thought so.
People who have a problem with a word that is to be found in 50% of all American sentences, because THEY think of sex (and what is wrong with that, since when is sex ugly and disgusting), should not make rules of what I should find a bad word.
It's just four letters, F, U, C and K, and I never relate it to intercourse^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HBLEEEEP.
Hmm, intercourse is not a bad word? Strange, both words talk about the same thing.
And since when is the name for a lady-dog a bad word...
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So when are the words "Jesus Christ" put on the blacklist?
After all, I use it as a swearing word. "Jesus Christ, my paycheck has never been this late."
Yeah, let's all bleep the name of our Lord too! It's a swearing word!!!! IT'S A DIRTY WORD!
(Actually, I know that the old Jews were not allowed to pronounce the name of the Lord, so they just wrote all the consonants, JWHW, something I have also found strange all my life)
[Dis]claimer: I'm Roman Catholic
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We don't say arse you freak!!!!!!!!! (unless we are making fun of you brits and scots).
I hope you're joking. It's not funny though.
Pretty soon you end up with kids that have a real swearing problem
There is no swearing problem. If you children use swear words without meaning it, you have to explain the words. If your kids wants to show disgust for something or disrespect, they would use swear words or anything else they can think of.
And eventually, those labels end up circling back to us, the parents, and it tells people that we're not doing a good job
So your reputation is what you care about?
Not only that, but kids with swearing problems often end up in a downward spiral that involves them with crime (theft, etc.)
It's that kind of superficiality sometimes found in US citizens that pisses me off. Brother watches his sister naked? Put him in chains! Mother makes a photography of her kid in a bathtub? In the clink!
Holocaust denials? Hail Free speech!
other forms of social radicalism (homosexuality, pregnancy/abortion, liberalism, etc.)
So pregnancy and liberalism are social radicalism for you? Figures.
what good is profanity?
What is profanity?
What good is free speech?
Censorship on Slashdot
Television is no more "push" than any other medium. Nobody is forced to watch it, and ANYBODY who does watch it is going to see some views with which he or she disagrees. I think if you really understood free speech, you might realize that the solution to bad speech is more speech. If the supposed damage of "profanity" can't be undone with an explanation of why certain words are "profane", perhaps it's not damage at all. Perhaps the word "fuck" is harmless, and censorship only prevents the truth on the matter from surfacing.
It may not look it, but your defense of censorship (or whatever you want to call it) is the same as any other: you (or the king, church, majority, etc) have decided that certain information is harmful (or subversive, immoral, heresy, etc), and thus you assert the right to prevent that information from being distributed. Well it ain't so. In order to decide what to censor from children, we have to decide what speech is harmful, and nobody can claim the ability or right to do this. You say "fuck" harms your children, well I say Sprite commercials harm my children. And I want 'em off the air, or at least a warning before they come up. Can you think of any reason I shouldn't get this, besides that we should really only be censoring the bad speech?
My comments: This has included books that were found not to be obscene by Canadian courts. Customs continues to stop them anyway, in spite of court rulings.
For more info, see Little Sister's court case against customs
To assist in the court battle in a most enjoyable manner, purchase Forbidden Passages: Writings Banned in Canada by Pat Califia. From the Amazon description: Published as a fundraiser to help Little Sisters bookstore in Vancouver, British Columbia, pay for more than $200,000 in legal costs incurred in their litigation against Canada Customs.
I think they probably nominated "Blame Canada" because it seemed the least offensive of all the great songs in this wonderful movie.
my personal favorite was "Mmm'kay" followed closely by "Uncle Fucka"--but really the music throught the film was excellent. Remember Satan's plaintive, emotional solos? Or Big Gay Al's big, gay musical numbers?
I was pleasantly surprised to hear Brent Spiner and Eric Idle's voices in the film, but the biggest shock was George Clooney--I thought his voice was someone doing a good Clooney impersonation till I saw the credits. Raises Spiner quite a bit in my estimation. I think Trey is dead right on this one. Whatever solution the network comoes up with, it will just add to the fun.
Okay, this is going WAY too far. I understand the apparent need for them to censor the words rhyming with "witch" and "luck", there are certain words that just aren't said on something that's supposed to be G-rated, however ironic that may be.
I can't understand, however, why the word "fart" should be a problem. It's a common, non-offencive word! Since when has that been considered a swear? Are we going for something that has the rating level of "Sesame Street", or what?
No, no, the line 'and tits doesn't even belong on the list' is from the original George Carlin routine. "'Tits' doesn't even belong on the list. It sounds like a snack. Yes, I know, it is. But I don't mean your sexist snack. I mean New Nabisco Tits! And Cheese Tits, Bacon Tits... Tater Tits! Bet you can't eat just one! That's true, I usually switch off..."
why do they not leave the 4 words in abd bleep the rest of the show. anyway who cares alout some "not clean" words but only puritan US americans
It is not possible to use technology to solve social problems
Only if you think risking their very real broadcasting license for trey's "artistic license" makes too much sense.
Come on now, they have to bleep fuck. Its one of the seven words. Unless they want to switch the awards to a cable network, the academy cannot air the song without doing something about that word. and if the you think the artistic integrety found in the line "now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself" is something anyone is going to bat against the FCC over, you are seriously deluded.
The solution is bleep on fuck, get a grip on fart, and negotiation on bitch. If trey would rather bleep than re-write a meaningless line in the song, thats his decision. But lets be realistic on the viable options the academy has.
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...will work for Chick tracts...
Take the Oscars broadcast; the average person does not know anything beyond the top 5 or 6 awards (movie, actors, supporting actors, etc), so they will NOT know that a song with profanity will be in the works. In addition, the Oscar broadcast has generally been PG, at work; making the entire 2+ hr broadcast a TV-M first means that it can't be aired until after 10pm, and second, they will lose viewers. They (ABC) have no choice to do *something* about Blame Canada.
And the "do something" should be saying "Warning: the following song contains language which some viewers may find offensive. If you don't want to hear the words 'fart', 'bitch' and 'fuck', turn down your sound now."
I find it highly ironic that a country that worships the gun and glorifies firearm-related violence is so puritanical about a few low-grade swear words (with the possible exception of "fuck", though I've seen plenty of Hollywood movies where "fuck" constituted a large proportion of the diologue, too.)
-Elendale (this line has been censored)
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I'm sure someone has said this before, but its still hilarious. SP:BLU is all about censorship, but the song that was nominated by the supposed 'movie intellectuals' is getting censored... Erm... does anyone else see a problem here?d >)
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Time's have changed Our kids are kids are getting worse They wont obey their parents They just want to censored and curse! Should we blame the government? Or blame society? Or should we blame the images on TV? No, blame words like fart and bitch and fuck Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck With all their beady little eyes And flappin heads so full of lies Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck We need to form a full assault It's the fault of words like fart and bitch and fuck! Don't blame me For my son Stan He saw the darn cartoon And now he's off to join the Klan! And my boy Eric once Had my picture on his shelf But now when I see him he tells me to censored myself! Well, blame words like fart and bitch and fuck Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck It seems that everythings gone wrong Since words like fart and bitch and fuck came along Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck Their not even in the dictionary anyway My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer it's true Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue Should we blame the matches? Should we blame the fire? Or the doctors who allowed him to expire? Heck no! Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck With all their hockey hubbabaloo And that censored Anne Murray too Blame words like fart and bitch and fuck Shame on words like fart and bitch and fuck The smut we must stop The trash we must smash Laughter and fun must all be undone We must blame them and cause a fuss Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus
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A funny connection just flickered through my brain...did you guys know that worse than the word fart and Canada being mentioned more times in the same sentence than I care to count, a recently formered (serious) political party in Canada selected the name CRAP, short for Conservative-Reform-Alliance-Party. Funny the connections you can make when thinking of fecal matter...
I am not a university student or a teenager. I am the IT Manager at a medium sized retail chain in Australia. I don't live in America but I have a fairly good idea of what your American family values are about. I have two children, myself and, so, have a faily good idea of what it is like to raise children in today's world. I think you have gotten the word FART confused with Marijauana. The argument has always been that marijuana leads (as a gateway drug) to other drugs.
In my country, I was aware of and could use quite eloquently the words Fuck, bitch and fart at the age of six. I also was simply told that swearing was the lazy option and if I wanted to demonstrate my intelligence I would be much better finding other words. Any society that can't teach it's children about common courtesy really shouldn't aspire to be the world's policeman.
Get the Hell off my planet, you slimy mobster Bush!
Over the last few years, the police have been forcing moral evolution by bringing cases to court and having them tested there. At the moment I know it is perfectly acceptable to say, in our country, the word Fuck. It turns up on youth orriented radio all the time now. It is also perfectly acceptable to call a policeman a pig to his face. I still wouldn't do it in general, but I know that once I've had the shit kicked out of me, they couldn't then take me to court for it.
Get the Hell off my planet, you slimy mobster Bush!
No lyrical rewrites, the guys have control over what's censored, and it'd be funny as hell.
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Hi There,
/.ers can tell me if the US makes a distinction between 'ass' and 'arse' on TV? In the UK, 'arse' is much stronger than 'ass' - can anyone comment?
I wander if you or any other American
This song should never have been nominated. I'm a bit disappointed that the Phantom Menace's "Duel of the Fates" wasn't nominated.
They'll probably just mute the vocal track or put in some kazoo sound effect just like the radio edits of all those other songs with the naughty lyrics.
and the racist homophobic anonymous coward award goes to...(drumroll plz) :P
o ps' law: Nothing ever gets built on time or within budget.
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Arrrgh! This is the peculiar postulate that always gets shoved in your face all over the Internet, and it's driving me up the wall!!
OOoh, but you can't say the WORD because i just can stand that WORD and if i happen to walk by and hear you say the WORD it could damage the essence of what i am
That is the most puerile nonsense! This seems to be born out of the wishful notion that if you just make enough rules and enough restrictions you can create the perfect world - or perhaps, as seems to be the case with America sometimes, that if you can keep OUT the real world and live in your own little dreamworld you can pretend the rest is not out there!
So you don't like the word fuck? Fine! So far so good.
You hear it in a TV program - if they keep repeating it, stop watching the program.
You hear it somewhere you visit - if they insist, stop going there.
But if you suddenly hear it where you didn't expect, you don't have a right censor the living daylights out of it, you have a right and a duty to accept that LIFE is both good and bad, and you'll get a bit of each.
You don't want your kid to hear that word and say it - then present an argument instead of hoping the child will turn out ok if only it is not exposed to things you don't like. Sure the mind of kid may not be as sophisticated as the adult potential, that doesn't mean it is stupid. If the child doesn't buy your argument then perhaps your reasoning is flawed!
And, "Because I say so" has NEVER EVER been a valid argument, just the sound of a parent who has given up.
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The words you can't say on TV according to the FCC are piss, shit, cock, fuck, motherfucker, ass, and cunt. These are actually derived from a George Carlin sketch that was broadcast. Carlin was incredibly amused by the whole ordeal and later said that "twat, fart, and ass" were also bad and should be banned.
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WHOA that'd be something to see.... though I'm not sure it'd encourage me to drink Coke. Uhmmm, well for one, we seem to have a sort of "anything goes after 9 or so" policy. Toplessness is legal here in Ontario, as long as its not sexual.... CityTV (best station in Toronto) is known for having the most incompitent blanking of swearwords in movies, so I guess the censors are pretty lax about enforcement. It usually sounds something like this: "get *** fuck off of my m******ucking car you fucking ****!" Really, the main thing we're really more relaxed about is casual nudity. The occasional breast shot or seethrough clothing gets waved by. Gory movies get cut to bits though.
Yaa I know what you mean, ok I am Canadian and I found Blame Canada just plain funny. But the Brian Botaynno song was just the best. Nothing should have betten it. And Dogma should have gotten a nod for best original screenplay, not topsy-turvy.
Theres one problem with reflecting your reality, sometimes your reality starts to reflect you.
I was reading and replying then I heard a smashing pumpkins song, disarm on the radio. The corus sort of stuck in my head "I use to be a little boy, so old in my shoes. What I choose is my voice, what's the point suppose to do? Just sums to hit it right on the head when you think about it, anybody?
Theres one problem with reflecting your reality, sometimes your reality starts to reflect you.
I'm sorry have you even been in reality for the past 5 years. I will tell you and anybody can quote we one this. You are considered pathetic if you do not know all the major swear words by grade 4. At the very least. I am sorry and you may be a great parent but look; you can not protect your child. Even if words like "Fart" are a stepping stone to harder language. The way I see it fart is just a word to describe faltulence. It sounds fun, its fun to say. Much like Crack. Say it with me. Crack. good thanks for your time
Theres one problem with reflecting your reality, sometimes your reality starts to reflect you.
oh, Jesus .. not satin! Nooooooo, not satin!
Don't worry, I'll protect you... (fucking pussy...)
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The only words that are banned (on the radio at least) are shit and fuck. And you can say sheeot :) They play the unedited versions of Alice in Chains - Man in a Box and Offspring - I forget which song but it's a new one which both have shit.
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A lot of this can be found with the religious right. Our neighobers are, to put it mildly, a duplicate of the Flander's (Christian rights), and their childeren are treated like the Flander's children. They are not allowed to do anything, see anything, or otherwise know about anything that their parents do not want them to hear (I wonder what would happen if I said the word damn in front of any of thier children, never mind any of the seven words). A lot of Americans, for some strange reason, are reverting to this type of conservatisim as if it were beneficial to our country.
People need to stop blaming guns, words, games, and other people and start teaching proper morals, and in this set of morals people should realize that "obscene" language is indeed merely a strong expression of an emotion. So what if someone swears a lot? It does not make them sound very intelligent but believe me, younger people would swear less if it was not treated the way many people treat it right now. And it would not matter the slightest bit.
Am I making sense or should I go to sleep now?
Only those who dream can grasp reality.
profanity is the cornerstone of the attractiveness of the english language! our colorful descriptive, just feels right when you say it, curse words set the english language apart from all others. even the english hating french use our swear words. merde just doesn't express your emotions like sh**. whether or not it's abc's or southpark's role to teach our children to swear is debatable. but let's not denigrate the role of english profanity in making it the dominant language of the modern world.
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Network censors still do hold on to an important role.
First of all, they do ensure that there is a "safe spot" from the sex, language, and violence. Many people trying to raise very young children want to keep a certain set of taboos rather than showering them with ideals that were created for the purpose of selling movie tickets. And, sometimes, watching programs with sex, language, and violence running amok can get just plain tiring. Sure, that candy bar in the vending machine tastes great and is easy to snarf, but don't try to live off of it. Aren't there times when you would prefer an apple?
Also remember that the censors and those supporting the censors are out supporting something that they believe deeply in. Even if there is an answer that is quick and easy (like switching to a cable station), is there something wrong with trying to uphold an ideal? Just because network censors may be smaller in population to the free-for-all cable broadcasters, that's no reason to give up.
It's like Free Software in a way. The idea is upheld by those who believe deeply in it, but they are somewhat small in population. Should we give up just because there are so many mega-corporations speaking against it?
I'm not pro-censorship or anti-free-speech, but
I think that we should be reminded to use our
right to free speech responsibly.
Ya know whats its about, its about money. The real reason why they would clean it up is so they dont lose sponsers. Because they (the sponsers) do not want to get thier rep tarnished for sponsering a show that has offensive material. Its not all about censorship, its about the almighty dollar.
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According to George Carlin's "Filthy Words" routine they are "shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, mother-fucker, and tits". Although, I don't think you're allowed to say asshole either.
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Just out of curiosity: which words are included in the seven?
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Thought exists only as an abstraction
What good does it do when TV/movie characters unleash a torrent of obscenity in front of children? Ask yourself that before you moderate me down. Thanks.
This poster was completely serious and it's simply disingenuous to moderate it as "funny". Those responsible seek to discredit his view by laughing at him.
Very well. It's clear from the responses to that post, that in this community at least the predominant view is the wishful thinking that small actions cannot lead to large consequences.
But no-one is claiming that allowing the use of a mild expletive on TV is going to directly cause someone to murder or adopt a homosexual lifestyle. What the poster does claim is that every tiny antisocial behaviour which is legitimized inevitably lowers the barrier to adoption of the next tiny antisocial behaviour. Those who really want to be rude or insulting then have to go a little bit further to achieve that. Soon, that in turn becomes the norm and any would-be reprobate has to go further still. The process is therefore self-sustaining.
Look at how over the course of the twentieth century, social rules have been progressively stripped away. Antisocial behaviours which were once unthnkable are hardly even frowned upon by most people nowadays. This increasing tolerance has had both positive and negative effects. With equality for women and racial minorities we no longer disenfranchise entire social groups, but as individuals we do treat each other with far less respect than we did a hundred years ago. Rules of social etiquette have almost completely disappeared.
I am ashamed to admit that I have used profanity habitually ever since my childhood. My parents would frequently use mild swearing at home when I was small and I picked up the habit there. It made me feel grown-up to use such special "grown-up" words in the school playground and when my cousin made the naive mistake of telling me about the f**k and c**t words, I could hardly restrain myself from proudly displaying my "maturity" to my peers.
As a direct result I was continually in trouble at school for swearing. Despite the negative consequences I have never been able to break the habit. Even now, at the age of 37 I still swear regularly and it must be inappropriate because sometimes I do offend people who were brought up under a stricter set of behavioural rules. It has even got me into trouble at work occasionally.
So it may or may not be true that increasing tolerance in one area of life transfers to inappropriate levels of tolerance in other areas. But it's certainly true that allowing any bad language at all can ultimately lead to further use of even worse bad language.
So perhaps what the poster should have said is: that to avoid a torrent of profanity we need to outlaw occasional use of mild expletives; to avoid murder we need to outlaw all selfish, disrespectful behavior; to avoid teenage pregnancy we need to outlaw unchaperoned contact; to avoid homosexual "families" raising children we need to outlaw all homosexual behaviour.
This won't suit free speech advocates, gun freaks, horny teenageers or the gay community of course. Everybody wants to pursue their own self-gratification regardless of its negatives effects on themselves or everybody else. But even so it should be obvious to anybody from numerous extant examples of gradual social change over the course of the last hundred years that concept of "the thin end of the wedge" is more than just a metaphor and needs to be counted as a potentially huge cost of any small increase in personal freedom.
Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
Thought exists only as an abstraction
Wow, that was one of the funniest things I'd read all year. I can't believe that so many chumps thought it was serious. Must be because it's so late at night, and they're too drunk to get it.
No wait, it's late here too and,... Yep, I've been drinking. Man, that was f*BLEEP*g funny!
"Gateway swear-word"... Snicker! "The kids' swearing reflects badly on US" Bwwwahahahaha!!!! Oh s*BLEEP*t, it's so funny, I'm crying!!
Thank you. Really. Haaa!
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I think it would be most amusing to change the profane language to references to censorship. That would be much more appropriate than simply muting or toning down the language.
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I almost didn't realize, either, until I got to the part where you start insulting the Canadians.
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Well, you can't just not play the songs because one song has naughty words in it. That isn't fair to other songs, really.
And censoring it, IMHO, would be QUITE ironic especially when you consider that SP:BLU is all about exactly that: censorship, particularly in regard to naughty words. I *highly* suggest that you see this movie so that you know what I'm talking about. It's on video, and its been on PPV a few times, and you'll probably be able to catch it on premium cable before too long.
Now, ABC can't air a song with naughty words due to FCC regulation (although censoring the word "fart" is highly questionable). I wonder if they can play the song after 10 p.m., but air the rest of the broadcast before 10 p.m.? The Oscars typically start at around 9 p.m. anyhow, so at least half the broadcast is after 9 p.m.
Other than that, censoring with a BLEEP may be the only alternative, although it is not a tasteful one.
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In 1986, the song Mean Green Mother From Outer Space from the movie Little Shop of Horrors starring Rick Moranis and Ellen Green was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Song.
Some of the original lyrics went like this:
When the song played on the Academy Awards show, they had modified the lyrics significantly. I don't remember exactly what the modifications were, but IIRC they eliminated each of the allegedly objectionable words above.
I remember this clearly because it pissed me off that they sold out and censored this content in advance by going to the trouble to rewrite the song. The question stands... was the song heard on the show even the same song as was nominated?
I agree that the song as written is what was nominated. If it is changed, then it's no longer the song that was nominated. I hope that Matt and Trey hold their ground on this one. Let ABC bleep it.
And I hope that the Washington Post checks their facts a little closer.
Russ
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Human nature means you have to be very careful about bleeping. We tend to guess what would have been bleeped out, so they may not consider that helpful.
There's then the problem that they (Trey & Matt) could bleep the song themselves, but bleeping entirely broadcastable terms. Human nature then thinks that something bad must've been in there to get it bleeped out, works out a possibility and the song is perceived as rather worse, despite not actually SAYING anything you wouldn't repeat to your grandmother.
I can see why they might not want to use the bleeper.
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Spiner?!?!??! As in "Cmdr Data" Brent Spiner? Which voice was HE?!?!?!?!?!
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"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
Wow. Would it have been that hard to get the real Conan? I can't imagine he'd cost more than Cmdr. Data!!!
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"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
I never understood people's problems with the word "bitch". It's not officially one of the seven words, and yet I've seen morning-show-type shows where they bring in some lady from the American Kennel Club to talk about dogs, where they actually bleep out "bitch" when used to describe actual female dogs. The part of Carlin's routine where he talks about how you can get away with sentences like "In the morning, the cock crew" doesn't seem to apply anymore.
Some of these words might be genuinely vulgar, but it hardly takes a vulgar word to express a vulgar idea, and I personally find most of primetime television to be in poor taste as it is.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
I don't live in USA so I can hear 'bad' words on tv so I know this.
When I was last across the pond a year and a half or so ago, I was flipping through the channels and came across a promo for South Park episodes they were going to start broadcasting within a week or so. The promo consisted of having one of the characters standing there swearing with the swears bleeped out. The shock value was entirely lost on me, since I had just finished watching a show with fully uncensored profanity and was able to switch the channel to another show with full frontal nudity.
What passes for much of American entertainment, especially when taken out of context and in another land, is simply pathetic.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
Clooney's participation should come as no surprise, inasmuch as he previously did the voice of sparky the dog in the "Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride" episode. He's been pals with Matt and Trey for a few years now and has supported them and their careers since the beginning.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
BTW, what kind of regulation is there of Canadian TV on the "obscenity" front? I know they're much more liberal than the U.S. but I don't think they're quite as liberal as, say Brazil, are they? (in Brazil you could make a Coke commercial of a woman masturbating with the bottle and they wouldn't give a hoot, nudity is used in commercials all the time)
Well, nudity certainly isn't mainstay, but I have seen it recently in a Made-For-TV-Movie on CTV, (The Girl Next Door), however it aired at 10PM and there was a disclaimer right before that segment. It's not unheard of to hear people totally go off on a swearing spree in Canadian shows, and they don't usually censor movies played on TV. Fuck, Shit, Ass, Bitch, I have heard pretty much all of them on Canadian TV during prime time without disclaimers.
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Right. Anyone claiming to be offended by a particular "profane" word is a hypocrite. Seriously. If you know the word, then the profanity exists within you already. If you know what the word "fuck" means, then any "offense" you may feel is a reaction to the profane knowledge you already possess. If you don't know what a word means, or if it has no profane connotations for you (for instance, Americans using the Commonwealth swear words "bloody" and "shag" without the associated offensive intent) then it's not profane. Little Timmy is not going to be warped by hearing the word "fuck", and more than he would be hearing the same idea in a foreign language.
An even better example: you can use any number of swear words on TV if they're in a language most viewers won't know. Schmuck and putz are OK, even on shows where calling someone a dick wouldn't be acceptable.
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Wha? Whats going on here? Do we need censorship? Cartman was right. What's wrong with fuck? Why do we need to *bleep* every word that might infect childrens minds? Parents complain saying that their kids shouldn't hear those words. Then they go off, when they are mad, and feed the words to the face of the kid when they blow their top or start arguing. Realistically. What makes the damned words bad? For example. Shit. Usual meaning: poo. So, if i say "poo" to someone, does that make it an offensive word? Eh, you remark? For the song Blame Canada, fart doesn't need censored. Fuck and bitch SURPRISE! don't appear in the song more than twice (once my boy had my picture on his shelf, now when I see him, he tells me to fuck myself) each. Well. My rantings are done. Blame Can... Soccer Moms! SOMEONE FIX EXTRANS!
She's mom is a big fat bitch
She's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world
She's a stupid bitch if there ever was a bitch
She's a bitch to all the boys and girls
On Monday she's a bitch
On Tuesday she's a bitch
On Wednsday through Saturday she's a bitch
Then on Sunday, just to be different, she's a superkinkamayamayabeeatch
Have you ever met my friend Kyle's mom?
She's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world
She's a mean 'ol bitch and she has stupid hair
She's a big big big big big gig bitch
Big big big big big big big bitch, she's a stupid bitch
Kyles mom, she's a big fat fucking biiiiiiitch
Big old fucking bitch ass mooooom
Yeah
Chaaaa
I really don't have a point, but I couldn't pass up the chance to use the word bitch a dozen times and not be offtopic!)
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If an Oscar-worthy song has BLEEP after BLEEP, then maybe, just maybe, a few more people will take the time to think about what censorship is, and who is trying to protect whom from what.
That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw a live performance of Dr. DRE and Eminem on the American Music Awards on ABC a month ago (I believe it was the AMAs..too many award ceremonies to tell apart). It was quite impressive , they had on-the-fly censoring of their live performance for people watching on tv. They did such a good job that often the next 2 words after an explative were also bleeped out, rendering the song unlistenable.
I have also noticed that censored versions of albums (Fatboy Slim, Korn, etc) are oftentimes $2-3 cheaper than their unedited counterparts.
Don't let censors take over America. We'll listen to what we want to hear.
"In individuals, insanity is rare, but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule." -Nietzsche
Anyone else think network censors have outlived their usefulness? In a society where you can just turn to cable and find gratuitous sex or violence (or better yet sex AND violence) any time day or night, is keeping a few obscenities off the airwaves really doing anyone (except maybe the cable people) any good?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
We're just as free as you, we just have more anal retentive people ;) If there were organized boycotts of advertisers and junk like that in Canada, I'm sure you'd see more black bars and hear more bleeps...
Esperandi
BTW, what kind of regulation is there of Canadian TV on the "obscenity" front? I know they're much more liberal than the U.S. but I don't think they're quite as liberal as, say Brazil, are they? (in Brazil you could make a Coke commercial of a woman masturbating with the bottle and they wouldn't give a hoot, nudity is used in commercials all the time)
Don't worry, there's a coalition in the Canadian governmnet that makes sure that Canadian TV is not soiled by American thoughts and things, I would guess this Oscar broadcast won't reach any Canadians...
Esperandi
I find it rather amusing that this song could be a source of censorship, when all throughout the movie it is constantly renouncing the idea of censoring.
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Trey Parker must be laughing his irreverant butt off at the whole situation... ABC -> "Yeah, could you make your song that pokes fun at the idea of censorship and remove everything offesnive so we can air it on TV?"
Is it just me, or is the hypocricy in the situation just a bit too stifling ?
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Censorship on a word like fart?
This in light of the new law being proposed in Alabama requireing kids to refer to teachers as sir and ma'am
There seems to be a huge "traditional" movement in this country looking to enforce obedience. Wasn't this type stuff reserved for religious governments like the Ayatola in Iran?!
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what good is profanity? What possible purpose does it serve?
What good will come out of locking up your children in a dream world where everyone is happy and no one ever says something bad or something that criticizes the standard. I'll tell you (since this is a rhetorical question).. nothing. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
What good does it do when TV/movie characters unleash a torrent of obscenity in front of children?
When I hear the *beeep* I always try to figure out what they really said (which is not so hard most of the time, which is partly due to that they put the beep in at strange times.. someone says 'f..*beeeeeep*.k' and with not so advanced lipreading you can get the middle part). Had they just said the word I wouldn't have noticed it equally much.
I don't live in USA so I can hear 'bad' words on tv so I know this.
Kids aren't dumb, even if people like you seem to think so "if we don't let them see/hear this, they'll never know what it means!", they'll notice that it's something special with theses words, and especially when the adults around them look really scared and worried when they utter them. And almost all kids will do exactly what you tell them not to do.
I think that this 'ban all the nasty words' crusade has failed and only created more of them.
A part of the success for South Park is that they use language not seen in other shows, and that the kids are evil (why are always kids portrayed good? Everyone who's visited/attended an elementary school the last decade knows better. Well except in "Kids" but that's on the same theme). Not saying that SP is bad, but I don't think it would have been as successful if there was alot of other shows similar to it in content.
ps. what's so radical about getting pregnant? All mothers have...
of course motherfucker is redundant of fuck and piss and tit make no sense whatsoever, but go figure, those are the ones they came up with.
here's a solution if you don't want to bleep - just dangerouly them. As I recal, comedy central, which usually bleeps, let Johnny Dangerously play with all the "farging iceholes" and "cork-suckers" intact.
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The fact that 'Blame Canada' was nominated in the first place shows that people are becoming more realistic towards language and censorship in the Movies.
Tiny steps people. Take tiny steps.
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I'm not trying to flame, but does anyone else think that 'Blame Canada' was one of the weaker songs of the movie? I mean, 'Uncle Fucker' was a million times funnier (not that I expect them to nominate this one for an Oscar!).
Thoughts?
Now require... That's another question.
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ABC has a right to control what they broadcast. They can bleep out the offending part, they could even cut to commercials for the entire award that Blame Canada is up for. I doubt they have a right to tell the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences how they must conduct their awards ceremony. They certainly don't have a right to ask Trey & Marc to change their song.
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Has it dawned on anyone else that the most offensive part of that song isn't the language it contains ('fart', whatever), but the fact that it completely ridicules Canada? I mean, honestly, if ABC is worried about offending people, why is it concerned with the word 'fart'? Their own shows contain such words as 'bitch', 'ass', and 'fart' regularly (The Drew Carey Show, Whose Line Is It, Anyway, Spin City, et al). For a network concerned about offense, they have the potential to do it regularly. The fact that Canada, the country the song is most likely to offend (both because it makes fun of Canada and because Canadians obviously are sensitive about their big flapping heads, beady little eyes, and tendency to mispronounce simple English words) is a significant of ABC's viewership seems not to have dawned on any of their directors.
I'd say they were sitting around farting, except that their heads are all up their *bleep*.
NOTE: I have censored myself to protect Slashdot's younger viewers from potentiall reading bad words like 'ass'.
Amen! Preach on Brother!
:). It will keep the kiddies from hearing the swear-words. It will make Trey and Brad happy since they won't have to bastardize their creation. AND the adults will be able to fill in the blanks for themselves, and either see the humor of gutter-mouth cartoons and ironic lyrical situations, or not.
..." song, since every other word in that song would get the BLEEP, but still...
If the song gets aired but is self-censored, then a whole dimension of WHY it's great will be lost.
If they (ABC) omit the song because of it's content, then the mind-police win, and the uninformed viewer will miss the humor, and the point of the song (and SP as a cultural icon).
If they (ABC again) play the song unedited, they will torque-off many parents, religious groups and other purists, and make for a lot of bad publicity. While there is no such thing as bad publicity, there is advertiser retribution (see backlash against ABC after Ellen 'came out'), and ABC wouldn't do well if it's major advertisers suddenly stopped paying for ads, no?
The best, and last option is to play the song as it was written for the movie, but BLEEP it as necessary (if not more than necessary for comedic effect). This will keep the advertisers and the Falwells satiated since ABC will obviously "Think of the Children"
Using the BLEEP will expose what is considered to be profanity without actually showing what is considered profanity. Personally, I think that "Blame Canada" wouldn't make the point as well as "Don't say shit, say poo", or better yet the "Cartman's Mom is a
If an Oscar-worthy song has BLEEP after BLEEP, then maybe, just maybe, a few more people will take the time to think about what censorship is, and who is trying to protect whom from what.
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
How hypocritical are these people? Do they not see that by honoring South Park, either as a bastion of irreverent comedy, as a movie with exceptional lyrics and music, or most likey as a comercial success that refuses to be ignored, they are taking it for what it is. The one thing I have always liked has been the unwillingness of it's writers to back down from a subject or joke just because it wasn't PC. That's the whole damned point.
Honestly, if Trey had rewritten it to be anything other than MORE offencive, I would have been upset, and very shocked....
-Earthman
Earthman
Say it to me face w/ out wasting space...
ABC has a long history of trying to "do right" by American families, so it is not surprising that they are going to edit out some of the material in that filthy song. Similarly, Slashdot readers have a long history of not caring about American families at all, so it is not surprising that these actions are being held up to ridicule by them. No offense intended, but most Slashdot readers are either teenagers or college students, and these people wouldn't have the first clue of what it's like to raise a family in today's world.
When ABC and the Academy move to block words like "fart", anti-family groups (such as the majority of the Slashdot readership) are quick to lash out. What they don't realize that words like "fart", while they seem harmless, are in fact "gateway" words, or "stepping stone" words that eventually lead children to experiment with harder profanity, such as the other two words described in this article (the word that rhymes with "witch" and the word that rhymes with "luck.")
Pretty soon you end up with kids that have a real swearing problem, and they end up being labeled as cussards and reprobates. And eventually, those labels end up circling back to us, the parents, and it tells people that we're not doing a good job. Not only that, but kids with swearing problems often end up in a downward spiral that involves them with crime (theft, etc.) and other forms of social radicalism (homosexuality, pregnancy/abortion, liberalism, etc.)
What ABC is doing is attempting to protect children. And that's what it's all about. We must stop dirty language from reaching our children's ears. The students and "young'uns" here on Slashdot might ridicule this notion, but ask yourself, honestly: what good is profanity? What possible purpose does it serve? What good does it do when TV/movie characters unleash a torrent of obscenity in front of children? Ask yourself that before you moderate me down. Thanks.
With SP the show or the movie, you are well informed of the upcoming profanity in the show. If you are a parent, you should be changing the channel at that point if you don't want your kids to watch it. You don't have to take them to the movie, and everything else. Again, there are plenty of disclaimers and they make sense here.
Take the Oscars broadcast; the average person does not know anything beyond the top 5 or 6 awards (movie, actors, supporting actors, etc), so they will NOT know that a song with profanity will be in the works. In addition, the Oscar broadcast has generally been PG, at work; making the entire 2+ hr broadcast a TV-M first means that it can't be aired until after 10pm, and second, they will lose viewers. They (ABC) have no choice to do *something* about Blame Canada.
That said, I would think that a better way for ABC to handle it is to drop the musical numbers for all songs, such that they don't have to worry about playing it, but not play any of the others, as to be fair. Rewriting the song to avoid censoring is IMO a bad choice, as that can ruin the effect of the song in the first place.
"Pinky, you've left the lens cap of your mind on again." - P&TB
"I can see my house from here!" - ST:
So let me get this straight. If someones hears the word "fart", bleeped out, it's going to turn them into a homosexual, get them pregnant, make them a liberal? Oh my gosh...
All: In the beginning, God created the Earth...
Stan: Wait a minute, aren't you a Democrat, Kyle?
Kyle: Yeah, I think so
Stan: You're supposed to be liberal and support civil liberties!
Kyle: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press
Stan: (interrupting) That amendment sucks!
Cartman: Yeah, freedom of speech sucks!
Kyle: Don't you censor me, fat boy!
Cartman: Don't call me fat, buttfucker!
Kyle: Then don't belittle my freedom, you fucking fatass!
Cartman: God dammit, don't call me fat, you buttfucking sonofabitch!
[Pat Robertson decends from the sky]
Stan: Holy shit, it's Pat Robertson!
Cartman: What are you doing in South Park, Pat?
Pat Robertson: I come spreading conservative Christian values.
Kyle: Oh, fuck! I'm sorry, Pat!
PR: Fear not, a hurricane will kill you and all the homosexuals later. I am looking for a place called The Oscars.
Stan: We can take you to the Oscars, in fact, we're nominated!
[They start walking]
Cartman: Dude, this is gay.
Stan: Dude, don't say gay in front of Pat Robertson.
Cartman: Aw, fuck you.
[They all travel to LA, where Trey Parker is picketing at the Shrine Auditorium]
Stan: This is it, who are you looking for?
PR: Him! [points to Trey Parker]
Trey: So, we meet again, Pat Robertson.
PR: You are turning this country into a cestpool of homosexuals, liberals, and anti-Christian bigots!
Trey: And you have attacked the freedom on which this country is based!
PR: You have taken the Lord's name in vain for the last time.
Trey: My movies bring happiness to people around the world.
PR: I'm here to put an end to your blasphemy
Trey: This time we finish it. [stands] There can be only one.
Stan: Dude, this is pretty fucked up right here.
[Pat and Trey fight]
Kids: Go Trey! [Pat looks at them] Uh, go Pat!
[Pat and Trey fight more, Mortal Kombat style.]
Kyle: Oh my god! They killed Kenny!
Pat: Boys, help me put an end to him once and for all.
Trey: No, boys, help me, so that I can put an end to him.
Pat: God is watching you, boys. You know who to help.
Stan: I don't know what to do, dude. Who should we help?
Cartman: I say we help Trey Parker.
Kyle: Eh, you're just saying that because he made you famous.
Cartman: Hey! I don't need to take that kinda shit from a liberal.
Kyle: You're such a fat fuck, Cartman, that when you walk down the street people go God DAMMIT that kid's a BIG FAT FUCK.
Cartman: Oh yeah? Well listen up...
Stan: Wait, wait, just a second. Now we've got to think here. Now let's see. What would Brian Boitano do?
Cartman: Yeah. What would Brian Boitano do?
[Brian Boitano appears.]
Brian: Did someone say my name?
Cartman: Brian Boitano!
Kyle: What incredible irony!
Cartman: Yeah, it's Brian Boitano!
Brian: What's going on, kids?
Stan: Okay, Brian? Who would you help in a fight, Pat Robertson or Trey Parker?
Brian: Kids...you shouldn't think of things like that. The Oscars are the one time of year when we all try to get along, no matter what we believe in. This is the season just to be good to each other. Bi-eee!
[Brian skates away.]
Pat: You fuckin' liberal!
Trey: C'mere! Come on!
Stan: Hey, Pat! You have to understand that Trey is keeping the spirit of your religion alive by bringing humor and attention to the evils of Satan and Hell.
Kyle: Yeah. And Trey, you need to remember that if it weren't for Pat, You wouldn't have a Religious Right to make fun of!
Trey: You're right kids. I'm sorry, Pat.
Pat: No, no. It's me who should be sorry. I've been a right bastard. I'm sorry Parker.
Trey: Thank you boys.
Pat: Yeah, thank you boys. Come on, Parker, I'll buy you an Orange Smoothie.
Trey: oooo!
Stan: *whew* That sucked.
Kyle: Yeah, but just think. Today we actually met--we actually spoke--to _the_ Brian Boitano.
Stan: Yeah. And you know? I think I learned something today, it doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democratic or Liberal or Conservative. The Oscars still is about one very important thing:
Cartman: Yeah, ham.
Stan: No not ham, you fat fuck!
Cartman: Fuck you!
Stan: The Oscars are about something much more important.
Kyle: What?
Stan: Money.
Kyle: Ah.
Stan: Don't you see, Kyle? Money.
Kids: "Blame Canada, blame Canada, with all their beady little eyes..."
Jeff Sand
shroom@NOSPAMbradley.edu
NOTE: I have censored myself to protect Slashdot's younger viewers from potentially reading bad words like 'ass'.
.. multiple times .. the very phrase that they intended to censor from the "Bloom County" strip.
:-)
This reminds me of a stunt the Miami Herald pulled several years ago. One Sunday, they refused to run Berke Breathed's "Bloom County" comic strip because it contained the phrase "Reagan Sucks." To explain to readers why the comic was missing, a brief letter was put in is place explaining that the paper was not running the comic because it contained the phrase "Reagan Sucks" (that's right, they printed the phrase verbatim.)
Some time later, after several puzzled letters to the editor had been received, the Herald ran an editorial which again explained that the comic had been pulled because it contained the phrase "Reagan Sucks." Apparently, it simply did not dawn on them that they had used
Anyway, the last line of your post made me think of that. Let's see if a conservative moderator moderates this down simply because it has a subject line reading "Reagan Sucks."
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground