The Deadly Question? Sounds like a cheesey MST3K movie.
Honestly, I think you're being overdramatic. Maybe it did take up some time from developers that could have been working on version 4. But keep in mind the developers that you're talking about. Most of them (AFAIK) are doing it for free. They're working on the parts that they want to work on as much as they're working on the parts that need to be worked on.
I don't know much about the internals of XFree, but after 4.0 comes out, will there be any reason to continue using 3.x? Isn't this just like Linux 2.2 still being updated, even though 2.4 is just around the corner. Some people will continue using 3.x for a number of reasons, so it just makes sense to add the support for newer cards.
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Does it?? Oh, that would make me very happy. Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.
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Who cares if it's moderated up!?! Do you really need the Karma that bad? Are you so starved for attention that you need *everyone* to see you post re-parented?? Jeeeeezus!
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NT4 Terminal Server Edition is a multiuser environment, and two of the three editions of Win2000 have Terminal Server built in. So I guess the answer is Yes.
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But he did. Not in those words, but Carmack's post here said that he wouldn't think about rewriting the IP stack, and that he doubted much latency could be removed from there. I'm not pointing the finger at Taco, or anyone else. I'm just saying that this was really a waste of everyone's time. Mental masturbation, really.
Why should I treat Internet news with a lower regard than the news I get off the TV or a newspaper? There's no reason it should be "flakier". If the Slashdot crew cared enough to post actual news, and not just rumors, they would confirm their information before they made a headline out of it. Sure, they admitted that it was possibly incorrect, but that didn't really stop anyone from treating it like gospel. And how hard would it have been to confirm? Couldn't someone have picked up the phone and called Carmack? Ok, so he was in Hawaii, but that's a pretty lousy excuse for posting a story with essentially no legitimate content.
And as for your first comment about my posts. Admittedly, I am a bit of a critical person but don't mistake what I said: I wasn't criticizing John Carmack in any way. This about the crew at/. alone. And I feel free to criticize them, namely because I think that they often do a piss-poor job of sticking to their job. Their motto is "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Maybe they should look at it sometime.
Finally, I fully expect that someone will respond to this by saying "If you don't like it, then leave" -- they always do. Somehow, there are a number of people who always seem to think that using this forum is a black/white issue: We either have to love it or leave. Well my only comment to those people is "Blow it out your ass." That was my eloquent statement for the night.
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Is it though? I mean, seriously, is it more intelligent? I don't know.
I used to love Slashdot. Now it just doesn't seem the same. Read some of the posts (if you can wade through the ones about Natalie Portman), they're filled with hostility, pride, and more and more ignorance. There's a bitter quality about the site lately, and it's a big turn off to intelligent discussion.
And isn't that what Slashdot is about? Intelligent discussion. For the past few days my posts have been followed by some AC who keeps spouting obsceneties at me. What is that all about? One AC alone isn't enough to get to me, but it's just like a giant neon sign pointing out the general trend in this community.
It used to be (mostly) just a bunch of Linux-users talking about stuff they liked. Now it's... I don't know, but it's changed. It's high-profile, just like Linux itself. More and more people are coming here, and more and more garbage is being posted -- by users and the staff. And I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
(sigh) oh well...
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It doesn't have anything to do with John Carmack; it's Slashdot. The people of Slashdot love to bat unconfirmed rumors around until they sound like the truth: there were people, a couple of hours ago, who were talking about getting in contact with Dave Miller to facilitate Carmack's new code... as if the guy had even said "Yeah, I want to rewrite the most potentially difficult section of Linux's kernel-code"
And it's certainly not the first time this sort of thing has happened. Slashdot loves to post unconfirmed news, whenever they get their hands on it, and suddenly it's big-time news to readers. I guess on slow days/. doesn't just report the news, it goes out and creates some.
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Um... Given that this is just heresay right now, and possibly not even a serious commitment on Carmack's part, I think that might be hasty. Let JC take care of it if he's interested.
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I just don't think that the nation of India would make that pride a point of re-inventing something that already works just fine. There may be distros from India, but a federally funded one?
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China's name is awesome, but I don't see any reason to think that India (as a country) would need to have their own specialized distro. I imagine China did that for reasons of pride in their own geeks.
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No way is that correct. First, Linux doesn't even have that much market share in the Unix category. It's coming up strong, but to say that, of all servers, Linux is running 61% is just ridiculous. They've got their facts wrong.
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Jeez, I hope that doesn't get moderated up. Let me summarize the above poster:
Blah Blah Blah Linux Rulez Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
And the entire premise was ridiculous too. "Developing Countries" -- I'd hardly call India's technical side "developing". C'mon, they built a supercomputer, give them some credit. And Linux's price really does not come into play when you're already spending that much money. Supercomputing is primarily a hardware issue.
Yes, it's neat that they used Linux, but I'm so sick of hearing all these "Yay Linux" posts. Especially the ones saying how wonderful it is to run Linux on a 486. Have you guys ever run X on a 486? It could be worse, but seriously, it's not exactly a speedy solution.
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I don't know about anyone else here on Slashdot, but I don't plan on investing in LinuxOne. In fact, the only people who'll invest in LinuxOne are retarded day-traders. Fine, let the uninformed invest in a crappy company; I won't lose any sleep when their stock value plummets.
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Well, truth be told, it's not because they captured game developers. Until about 1995-97 most games were written for MS-DOS, because Windows' support for games was lousy. They had only recently come out with their "Games SDK" and it wasn't until about 97 that they renamed it DirectX and made it an API to be reckoned with.
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I don't care about the code. Seriously, I'm not even remotely interested in it. Not only that, but I barely know Perl, so I probably wouldn't be able to make heads or tails of some of it.
Having said that, I hold Rob Malda (and the rest of the crew at Slashdot) to a higher standard than I do almost anyone else, except maybe Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond. And why? Because they've devoted their professional lives to spreading the Gospel of Open Source to the masses of the Internet. So I ask: Where's the source?
Sure, they released 0.3, but how long ago was that? Most of the features of Slashdot (particularly the interesting ones) aren't even in that release. My gripe is that the source they've released bears little to no resemblance to the current system.
If Rob doesn't have the time to make a release, that's fine. You're right, sometimes you have to wait for an actual release on a lot of products. But if I want up-to-the-minute, bleeding-edge source to most Open Source projects, I can get them from a CVS. Rob's CVS is private. Why?
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See, that was unfair to Gameboy. Just because it's technically inferior to other handhelds doesn't mean it isn't a good platform. It has some pretty good games and it's size/shape is just about perfect. It doesn't use too much battery power, and the cartridges are easy to carry around.
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Well, assuming Rob isn't just being an asshole, maybe Slashdot is under directive from Andover not to release the code. After all, he said he had editorial control, but since Slashdot is owned by Andover, so is it's code. Maybe *they're* the one's that don't want it released. Rob might just be helping to cover it up.
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Well I think you're missing the point. Rob and crew have been preaching open source from the get-go. Now they've built up a really great system for online discussion, and refuse to release the code.
Of course they don't *have* to; It's Rob's code after all. But shouldn't they? After quite a few years of telling the advantages of Open Source, Slashdot is basically saying that Open Source is the wrong thing for them. But is it just about the developers? What about the end-users? Don't we deserve to have the very best Slashdot possible? Are there security problems that Rob is covering up? Should we know about them?
The whole thing just reeks of hypocrisy. I don't care if he wants to keep his source closed, but for God's sake, he shouldn't be running a site dedicated to Open Source news.
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You're probably right -- On the moderation thread (sid=moderation) there's been some talk about ways to kludge the moderation system by sending bad data to the servers. Nothing extraordinary, but just a little hint of some less-than-perfect server-design.
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Honestly, I think you're being overdramatic. Maybe it did take up some time from developers that could have been working on version 4. But keep in mind the developers that you're talking about. Most of them (AFAIK) are doing it for free. They're working on the parts that they want to work on as much as they're working on the parts that need to be worked on.
I don't know much about the internals of XFree, but after 4.0 comes out, will there be any reason to continue using 3.x? Isn't this just like Linux 2.2 still being updated, even though 2.4 is just around the corner. Some people will continue using 3.x for a number of reasons, so it just makes sense to add the support for newer cards.
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Why should I treat Internet news with a lower regard than the news I get off the TV or a newspaper? There's no reason it should be "flakier". If the Slashdot crew cared enough to post actual news, and not just rumors, they would confirm their information before they made a headline out of it. Sure, they admitted that it was possibly incorrect, but that didn't really stop anyone from treating it like gospel. And how hard would it have been to confirm? Couldn't someone have picked up the phone and called Carmack? Ok, so he was in Hawaii, but that's a pretty lousy excuse for posting a story with essentially no legitimate content.
And as for your first comment about my posts. Admittedly, I am a bit of a critical person but don't mistake what I said: I wasn't criticizing John Carmack in any way. This about the crew at /. alone. And I feel free to criticize them, namely because I think that they often do a piss-poor job of sticking to their job. Their motto is "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Maybe they should look at it sometime.
Finally, I fully expect that someone will respond to this by saying "If you don't like it, then leave" -- they always do. Somehow, there are a number of people who always seem to think that using this forum is a black/white issue: We either have to love it or leave. Well my only comment to those people is "Blow it out your ass." That was my eloquent statement for the night.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
I used to love Slashdot. Now it just doesn't seem the same. Read some of the posts (if you can wade through the ones about Natalie Portman), they're filled with hostility, pride, and more and more ignorance. There's a bitter quality about the site lately, and it's a big turn off to intelligent discussion.
And isn't that what Slashdot is about? Intelligent discussion. For the past few days my posts have been followed by some AC who keeps spouting obsceneties at me. What is that all about? One AC alone isn't enough to get to me, but it's just like a giant neon sign pointing out the general trend in this community.
It used to be (mostly) just a bunch of Linux-users talking about stuff they liked. Now it's... I don't know, but it's changed. It's high-profile, just like Linux itself. More and more people are coming here, and more and more garbage is being posted -- by users and the staff. And I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
(sigh) oh well...
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And it's certainly not the first time this sort of thing has happened. Slashdot loves to post unconfirmed news, whenever they get their hands on it, and suddenly it's big-time news to readers. I guess on slow days /. doesn't just report the news, it goes out and creates some.
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Blah Blah Blah Linux Rulez Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
And the entire premise was ridiculous too. "Developing Countries" -- I'd hardly call India's technical side "developing". C'mon, they built a supercomputer, give them some credit. And Linux's price really does not come into play when you're already spending that much money. Supercomputing is primarily a hardware issue.
Yes, it's neat that they used Linux, but I'm so sick of hearing all these "Yay Linux" posts. Especially the ones saying how wonderful it is to run Linux on a 486. Have you guys ever run X on a 486? It could be worse, but seriously, it's not exactly a speedy solution.
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I don't know about anyone else here on Slashdot, but I don't plan on investing in LinuxOne. In fact, the only people who'll invest in LinuxOne are retarded day-traders. Fine, let the uninformed invest in a crappy company; I won't lose any sleep when their stock value plummets.
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Having said that, I hold Rob Malda (and the rest of the crew at Slashdot) to a higher standard than I do almost anyone else, except maybe Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond. And why? Because they've devoted their professional lives to spreading the Gospel of Open Source to the masses of the Internet. So I ask: Where's the source?
Sure, they released 0.3, but how long ago was that? Most of the features of Slashdot (particularly the interesting ones) aren't even in that release. My gripe is that the source they've released bears little to no resemblance to the current system.
If Rob doesn't have the time to make a release, that's fine. You're right, sometimes you have to wait for an actual release on a lot of products. But if I want up-to-the-minute, bleeding-edge source to most Open Source projects, I can get them from a CVS. Rob's CVS is private. Why?
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Of course they don't *have* to; It's Rob's code after all. But shouldn't they? After quite a few years of telling the advantages of Open Source, Slashdot is basically saying that Open Source is the wrong thing for them. But is it just about the developers? What about the end-users? Don't we deserve to have the very best Slashdot possible? Are there security problems that Rob is covering up? Should we know about them?
The whole thing just reeks of hypocrisy. I don't care if he wants to keep his source closed, but for God's sake, he shouldn't be running a site dedicated to Open Source news.
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