Yeah, it's not like he mentioned them in his letter. Oh wait, he did. He personally thanked them all. You did read the letter, didn't you? Oh, I see...
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Yeah, what a shame that they would buy a pretty decent machine. Have you used the iMac? They're really nice consumer machines. Say what you will about the OS, but it's better than Windows 98.
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No, it would be totally different. Adobe already maintains two (more?) trees for their Wintel/Mac products. To make a port for MacOS X would require one of two things: A backwards-compatibility layer from Apple (does this exist?); or a rewrite of UI code by Adobe.
If Apple has a porting-compatibility layer, you're out of luck, because I guarantee you that they're not going to write that porting layer for X11. And if Adobe has to rewrite the code, they'll be rewriting it for MacOS X, which doesn't use the same UI calls as X11. Either way it would have to be rewritten for Linux.
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Even if we knew the exact API, it couldn't work like WINE does. Wine is not an emulator, it's more like a translation service. Mac binaries are all compiled for PowerPC's, so you would have to emulate a Mac-system (not just the libraries) in order to run them
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What's funny is that I read the blurb for this story and the line that says "magical incantations that coax the computer...". I had to read it like 5 times before I figured out that "coax" wasn't meant as "coaxial cable".
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Well I'm not pointing any fingeres here... If you want to believe that IP laws are evil, that's your prerogative. But some people here seem to think that laws are these flexible ideas that bend to the circumstances of the situation, and that they all make sense for every case. So if an existing IP law doesn't make much sense (read: Certain Software Patents) they assume it should/will be stricken. Bad news fellas...
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That's just blatent stereotyping. It'd be the same if someone said "I think programmers have an idea of what user interfaces are, but they just don't understand how to design them. Witness most GNU software and it's ridiculous command line interfaces."
Not a fair statement? Of course it's not. But you've seen how many people will make it, simply because they don't see things from another persons point of view. Try looking at it from their perspective.
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This isn't a flame, but it's true: The majority of/. is retarded when it comes to laws. Some of the stuff I've read here, specifically about IP, is just plain silly.
Of course, I'm just as guilty:)
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Oh come on -- Why does it always have to be about Karma to you people? I've got plenty of Karma! I don't need the moderation. This is why Karma was a bad idea. Now it's a contest, and everyone seems to have a dirty motive behind their posts.
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If we were to just simply sit back and accept the status quo, we'd still be paying $100+ for our operating systems, wouldn't we? Well I don't accept the status quo and moreover, I take offense that you'd make this a personal issue.
It isn't about me not getting enough attention. It's about a bunch of reasonably intelligent people demeaning themselves through simple hero-worship. And that's what it boils down to: Hero-worship. I don't know about you, but that's something I have absolutely no need for.
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Hehe, the only reason Raymond seems like a lightnight rod is because he's sitting in the middle of a storm: the Linux community. Do you really think the media pays attention to him? The only media that pays attention to him is Slashdot and the rest of the Linux-centric world.
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Well you might find this hard to believe, given the hero-worship that he recieves here at Slashdot, but Eric Raymond has about 0% name recognition outside the Linux community. To that point, I find it very doubtful that anyone outside the Linux community will pay any heed to his message.
Just like the "Suprised by Wealth" piece he wrote, I find myself asking the question "Why did he write this?" And in most cases I come to the answer, "To make himself look better to his fanclub".
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Oh it's related. Certainly it's related. But I'd hardly say it's Raymond's area of expertise. Moreover, his viewpoints are basically the same thing that we've been saying here for weeks. But when Raymond says it, it's news. Maybe I'm touchy, maybe I'm taking it personally, but the last thing I want to see right now is Eric Raymond getting praise for comments that people here on Slashdot made.
Bottom line? This entire article should be marked as "Score: -1 (Redundant)".
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I'll agree with what you said, although I don't think it really applies in this case. ESR has clout in the area of Linux and it's place in the business world. Last I checked, Raymond doesn't have anything to do with the DVD industry or the Livid project.
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Nothing beats a summary of everything everyone on Slashdot has been saying for 2 months. But hey, now that Eric has said it, it carries weight, right?
Maybe I'm bitching a little here, but it doesn't sit right with me that in a community that is so, well, community-oriented, a small number of people get zeroed in on and quoted/printed like they were the second coming. Who are we kidding?
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Well now you're just repeating yourself. If you're going to cut-and-paste, at least wait until people have forgotten the exact wording of your last post.
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If Apple has a porting-compatibility layer, you're out of luck, because I guarantee you that they're not going to write that porting layer for X11. And if Adobe has to rewrite the code, they'll be rewriting it for MacOS X, which doesn't use the same UI calls as X11. Either way it would have to be rewritten for Linux.
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Not a fair statement? Of course it's not. But you've seen how many people will make it, simply because they don't see things from another persons point of view. Try looking at it from their perspective.
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Of course, I'm just as guilty :)
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
If we were to just simply sit back and accept the status quo, we'd still be paying $100+ for our operating systems, wouldn't we? Well I don't accept the status quo and moreover, I take offense that you'd make this a personal issue.
It isn't about me not getting enough attention. It's about a bunch of reasonably intelligent people demeaning themselves through simple hero-worship. And that's what it boils down to: Hero-worship. I don't know about you, but that's something I have absolutely no need for.
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Just like the "Suprised by Wealth" piece he wrote, I find myself asking the question "Why did he write this?" And in most cases I come to the answer, "To make himself look better to his fanclub".
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Bottom line? This entire article should be marked as "Score: -1 (Redundant)".
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Thanks for restating everything we've been saying here on Slashdot Eric, but we've got plenty of karma-whores here to do that.
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Maybe I'm bitching a little here, but it doesn't sit right with me that in a community that is so, well, community-oriented, a small number of people get zeroed in on and quoted/printed like they were the second coming. Who are we kidding?
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