No, you couldn't copy the movie using this software, but a modified version could easily be made to write the descrambled video stream to disk. Once that's been done, it's basically the same as pushing around a REALLY REALLY BIG mpg files.
It's important to note that the software we're talking about is probably completely illegal. Unless these guys paid for the license to the descrambling algorithm, they're breaking the law. It doesn't matter how they got that algorithm, it's still not their intellectual property. It would be nice if a big-name Linux company like Redhat or Caldera spent the money on a real license and released it as freeware (GPL would not be an option).
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Blah Blah Blah. I'd say he's a more valued member of the community that the infamous "Anonymous coward".
Look, the guy was just pointing a seeming bug in the updates. Why don't you spend some time getting an account rather than hiding behind the AC mask? Seriously, I don't see the point in AC posting -- unless you're an inside-informant, you should have enough pride in your comments to identify yourself. If you don't, then those comments probably aren't worth making (e.g. First Post)
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Well that's horribly selfish way to look at it. When you say "Let MP3s thrive", I'm assuming you mean the pirating of MP3s because you also seem to want to be able to copy them (and DVDs) to your hearts desire, regardless of the wishes of the people who produced them.
I don't really care if you have to spend more money than you'd like to, to get a CD you want. That's life. Yes, major labels have hideously overpriced the cost of CDs, but it's still your choice whether or not to buy them. Look, I'm all for the MP3 format, and I love to see artists distribute their content over the internet. What I can't stand, however, is when people decide that it's okay for them to pirate music that wasn't distributed by it's creators for free.
It's theft, plain and simple. I know that everyone thinks of the industry as being the big bad guy, and maybe they are. That doesn't make it okay for you to steal from them though. If you do, then you're just as bad as they are. Just because you don't like a musician or a company doesn't make it okay for you to violate their right to intellectual property. They can charge whatever they damn-well like for their products.
Look, it's not like music/movies are something you HAVE to have. If you don't want to pay their price then vote with your feet: take you business elsewhere. But don't reduce yourself to the level of a theif by pirating their material. It's unacceptable in any media: music, movies, software, or whatever.
If pirating movies and music becomes a wide-spread practice (right now MP3s aren't quite as ubiquitous as they could be) then the movie and music industries will have to hike their rates for people who actually have a conscience. And if those people can't pay the price then said industry will be shut down. Period. If people aren't willing to pay for movie, then no one is going to spend 100 million on special effects to create it.
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Not serious, it's just like saying, Oh, that's a "Good Thing" as if "Good Thing" happened to be a definable term. Don't pay any attention to geek-humour:)
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um, no. There's a difference between Microsoft's "embrace/extend/buy" and Propaganda and Revelation's combining. P&R aren't really competitors. Neither one of them makes money off it's product. It's not like, by combining, they have a greater power over the market -- there is no market. Well there is one, actually, but since Propaganda is GPL'ed, it's a market where the producer can't possibly maximize his profits through sales, and the consumer maximizes their utility through not spending anything.
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I love Propaganda. It's funny too, because if you think about it, the content of the site (that being the images) really has nothing to do with Linux at all. It's the concept -- the implementation of the idea -- that involves Linux and the open source community. I mean, this guy could've just made his pictures and released them to winfiles.com or something retarded like that, but no. Instead he made a whole site with an innovative, if not a little crazy, storyline about JFK and Linux.
It's really quite admirable if you think about it. It's also a great draw for his site -- I think Propaganda and Linux are a good match:)
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I don't know how to use vi and I run a very tight OpenBSD firewall. Seriously. I only know enough to exit the program. Why? Because I never needed to. When I do programming, I use a GUI editor that does color-coding (yes, that makes me a coding-pussy I guess), and when I'm editing config files I either use Emacs or Pico.
Yeah, emacs is a little overkill for config files and Pico is kind of stupid, but it works for most purposes and when I'm editing a small file, I don't need all the shortcuts that vi has. I've always intended to learn, but never got around to it.
I'd like to state again that I really am a very competent Unix sysadmin. I just don't use vi:)
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Yeah, but I'm really waiting for OpenBSD version 564.3 - it's supposed to be really good.
Seriously, what happens when you get past version 9? You could go to 10, but I think versions over 10 sound stupid. Like Emacs 20.blah.blah -- it just looks dumb. I hate to say it, but I think MS had the right idea of dropping the version numbers on Office after 6.0. I don't know how I feel about the years replacing them, but it's better than Office 10.0
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Well I hate to be obvious, but if you're really worried about the NSA spying on you then you might want to encrypt your communications. I mean, really: encrypting an email is not that hard. Get GnuPG or PGP and have a ball.
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When I started working at my company, they had CSSI-FS1 and NTSERVER. Now, we've got Hamlet and Carrot. It's not much, but like they say: it's the little victories that count:)
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Well I've seen some people set their systems to fsck every time it reboots. Moreover, there are more ways to slow a reboot than just a fsck -- In fact, I think most of the reboot time (under Linux) comes from unmounting filesystems that are no longer there (read: NFS). Linux times out on these unmounts, but if you had a large number of network mounts and then your net-connection died, it would be a long shutdown.
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If one develops software using the Free Edition of the QT toolkit, then that software HAS to be released under the GPL. You can't add clauses to it, because then it's not really the GPL, it's a derivitive license.
So, my question is: Corel's app aside, how can anything be released using the Free Edition of QT?
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I love Anime. I think some of it is amongst the best movies ever created, and it makes me sad that it goes so unappreciated here in the US. Having said that, I agree with a lot of the other posters -- Anime film reviews do not belong on Slashdot. Yes, this is "News for Nerds", but for the most part it's really "Tech News for Nerds" and I think it should stay that way.
Slashdot is nice because it's a very specific forum for us to talk about computers and OSes (read: Linux). If we bog it down with less salient issues, it will become garbage.
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Well that doesn't make any sense -- EVERY application written using the QT [Free] toolkit is released under the GPL (it's a requirement of the license). Since they're released under the GPL, but they're linked to the libqt (which is released under the QPL, wouldn't that mean that all QT Free Edition apps are, in effect, breaking the GPL license?
I understand that these programs (like KDE) could actually be released under a modified GPL but, to the best of my knowlege, none of them are. Is there a conflict or isn't there?
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huh? I know that the license for QT isn't the GPL, but I thought that all software released using the QT toolkit was restricted to using the GPL. If that was the case, then this "get_it" program should have been released under the GPL. So where's the problem with using apt_get with it? Apt_get is GPL'ed as well? Could someone explain this to me?
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If this is what could really go down, it's a crying shame. I understand the ADA's stand here -- they have been strung along, but it's really not anyone's fault, in particular. I think the whole Amiga situation can be chalked up to a big "whoops" and poor planning.
The real irony would be if Amiga was really about to release a new system based on the infamous super-secret Transmeta chip and they were prevented from doing so because the ADA knocked them out of business before they could go into actual production.
...I think it's about time the Amiga was put to bed for good. Sorry, guys.
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okay fine, but that still proves my point. Whether it's from a man page, or a book, or a mystical leprechaun -- it's still instructions
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Don't listen to anyone huh? I'll agree with you that the best way to learn something is by doing it/working with it, however your statement is just plain wrong. Sometimes it's not realistic to learn something by diving in headfirst. Imagine if every pilot tried to learn how to fly a plane that way - or if nuclear technicians got degrees by "playing around".
Okay, those are silly analogies, I'll admit it. The truth is, that experience AND instruction are the best teachers. Without guidance, trying something can be, at best, a waste of time and, at worst, dangerous.
When I want to learn something dealing with computers I usually check the web first. I'll bet most people work the same way. This might come as a suprise, but the information on the web is actually written by real people. And books, like those O'Reillys that we all love -- those are written by people too. Believe me, I'd much rather learn Perl from one of those books (or a knowledgable Perl programmer) than just "trying" it by typing text into the interpereter and seeing what happens.
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While OpenBSD certainly is one of the most secure operating systems out there (esp. out-of-the-box), that's not all it's good for. OpenBSD makes a great workstation too. Of the three xBSDs that are available for free, OpenBSD is hands down the easiest to configure. The OpenBSD team has done a wonderful job of setting up a very flexible default install. The BSD ports collection works great on the platform too, so a huge collection of popular software is also available (and OpenBSD, like FreeBSD, will run Linux applications). I highly recommend it.
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I think that squatting should be nipped in the bud before it ever gets to the courtroom. The practice of buying domain names and then selling them is annoying, and it makes browsing harder for web-surfers. Let's try to keep our web a [relatively] tidy place, alright?
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Kudos to Compaq! Once again they've proven that they're behind Open Source operating systems. It doesn't bother me that they've still got Tru64 as a proprietary system, as long as they acknowlege the possible advantages of other systems, like xBSD and Linux (esp. Linux). Now, if only their low-end systems were so shoddy...
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When was the last time someone (who didn't already have a serious problem with their immune system) died from "the common cold"?? I think TB get's a higher priority than that, although I can certainly think of other, more debilitating diseases that I'd like someone to throw $150 million at.
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It's important to note that the software we're talking about is probably completely illegal. Unless these guys paid for the license to the descrambling algorithm, they're breaking the law. It doesn't matter how they got that algorithm, it's still not their intellectual property. It would be nice if a big-name Linux company like Redhat or Caldera spent the money on a real license and released it as freeware (GPL would not be an option).
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
Look, the guy was just pointing a seeming bug in the updates. Why don't you spend some time getting an account rather than hiding behind the AC mask? Seriously, I don't see the point in AC posting -- unless you're an inside-informant, you should have enough pride in your comments to identify yourself. If you don't, then those comments probably aren't worth making (e.g. First Post)
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
I don't really care if you have to spend more money than you'd like to, to get a CD you want. That's life. Yes, major labels have hideously overpriced the cost of CDs, but it's still your choice whether or not to buy them. Look, I'm all for the MP3 format, and I love to see artists distribute their content over the internet. What I can't stand, however, is when people decide that it's okay for them to pirate music that wasn't distributed by it's creators for free.
It's theft, plain and simple. I know that everyone thinks of the industry as being the big bad guy, and maybe they are. That doesn't make it okay for you to steal from them though. If you do, then you're just as bad as they are. Just because you don't like a musician or a company doesn't make it okay for you to violate their right to intellectual property. They can charge whatever they damn-well like for their products.
Look, it's not like music/movies are something you HAVE to have. If you don't want to pay their price then vote with your feet: take you business elsewhere. But don't reduce yourself to the level of a theif by pirating their material. It's unacceptable in any media: music, movies, software, or whatever.
If pirating movies and music becomes a wide-spread practice (right now MP3s aren't quite as ubiquitous as they could be) then the movie and music industries will have to hike their rates for people who actually have a conscience. And if those people can't pay the price then said industry will be shut down. Period. If people aren't willing to pay for movie, then no one is going to spend 100 million on special effects to create it.
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It's really quite admirable if you think about it. It's also a great draw for his site -- I think Propaganda and Linux are a good match :)
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
I don't know how to use vi and I run a very tight OpenBSD firewall. Seriously. I only know enough to exit the program. Why? Because I never needed to. When I do programming, I use a GUI editor that does color-coding (yes, that makes me a coding-pussy I guess), and when I'm editing config files I either use Emacs or Pico.
Yeah, emacs is a little overkill for config files and Pico is kind of stupid, but it works for most purposes and when I'm editing a small file, I don't need all the shortcuts that vi has. I've always intended to learn, but never got around to it.
I'd like to state again that I really am a very competent Unix sysadmin. I just don't use vi :)
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Seriously, what happens when you get past version 9? You could go to 10, but I think versions over 10 sound stupid. Like Emacs 20.blah.blah -- it just looks dumb. I hate to say it, but I think MS had the right idea of dropping the version numbers on Office after 6.0. I don't know how I feel about the years replacing them, but it's better than Office 10.0
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So, my question is: Corel's app aside, how can anything be released using the Free Edition of QT?
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
Slashdot is nice because it's a very specific forum for us to talk about computers and OSes (read: Linux). If we bog it down with less salient issues, it will become garbage.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
I understand that these programs (like KDE) could actually be released under a modified GPL but, to the best of my knowlege, none of them are. Is there a conflict or isn't there?
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
The real irony would be if Amiga was really about to release a new system based on the infamous super-secret Transmeta chip and they were prevented from doing so because the ADA knocked them out of business before they could go into actual production.
...I think it's about time the Amiga was put to bed for good. Sorry, guys.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
Okay, those are silly analogies, I'll admit it. The truth is, that experience AND instruction are the best teachers. Without guidance, trying something can be, at best, a waste of time and, at worst, dangerous.
When I want to learn something dealing with computers I usually check the web first. I'll bet most people work the same way. This might come as a suprise, but the information on the web is actually written by real people. And books, like those O'Reillys that we all love -- those are written by people too. Believe me, I'd much rather learn Perl from one of those books (or a knowledgable Perl programmer) than just "trying" it by typing text into the interpereter and seeing what happens.
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